Any news on a new sport atv from Honda?

[mreiser21]

just wandering if anyone knows anything about when a new honda sport atv will be out:confused:

[goochy]

:mad: 2010 :mad: if we are lucky!!!!!! They have until Nov of 2003, or I will buy something else. :eek: Honda , MAKE ME A QUAD!!!!!!! I HAVE CASH HONDA!!!!!!! PLEASE !

[Nausty]

put simply. NO:)

[insane250Racer]

they take forever to get something good then 6 months later another company makes thier "copy" better and us honda lovers are here gettin beat by our better copies ...it suks :grr

[toby400ex]

i think they lack the ballz:scary:

[blasterzombie1]

in atv sport mag or one of them they had some info on a honda representitive who was talking to the pros at one of the race asking what they are looking in a quad? honda may be messing around but i want to think that they are seirous so look at the bright side if all else fails we can all get the liquid cooling kit from 4 stroke tech

[dawzie]

When the new owners start producing Cannondales again in 6-12 month's you can get one of them !!

[goochy]

I have heard from a pro rider, that Honda has a all new sport frame in the works. This same rider has 3 , honda 450 dirt dike engines in his race quads. I know Honda has a quad in the works, but if they give exriders a hint of what it is, alot of us will wait on it. I will try to wait until nov-dec, of this year. My friend knows this pro really good, and he told me to hang on, it is coming, but what year is it coming????????:huh

[Evan]

While Honda did not announce a new sport ATV at their annual 2003 dealer show in Chicago we do know that they are hard at work on a replacement to the 400EX sport quad.

Honda was all set to release a new CRF450 high-performance quad at this year's dealer show in Chicago, but it was nixed at the last minute when upper management felt that it would seriously cut into sales of existing warehouses full of 400EX's.

Maybe, once Honda blows out the older 400EX's, we can look for some really new and competitive performance quads from Big Red. Will we see the new CRF450 sometime late in 2003? Proably.

[insane250Racer]

honda needs to grow some and make it already i dono wat they were smokin to decide to stop makin the R

:chinese: <--- thier just not gonan do it.....and if they do ill be suprised

[markeg192]

I heard from a dealer and a racer sponsered by a different dealer it's a water cooled 450 . They say it's on an aluminum frame, but they;re having problems with the frame cracking.

that would be cool if it had a frame like the c dales.....


why the funk couldnt they have tested the 400 frame....mine is cracked....they should make em nice and strong and test em

[Martin Blair]

they are waiting to see if the rules chang to allow 450s, then if they do it will probably be a crf450 motor in a new quad frame, or a completly new motor.

[Derek]

the new quad is a 400ex look alike 250r

[400exrules]

well i read in dirtwheels ( i know ) under the baja100 section about some buy i think it was farr, that couldnt compete bec he got enjured test riding honda's new secret sport quad, but its probly crap because i just read on big guns website that dirtwheels said a full system would add 7 HP to a 400ex STOCK.

[400exrules]

guy* not buy

[BigRider69]

I dont know if its true or not but my
local Honda dealer said he caught wind
at a meeting thing they had, that they were
gonna bring back a 250R look alike. But I
dont know so its just what I heard from him
and what I told yall.

[Ryan]

Well I really believe that Honda is going to come out with a new ATV sometime soon. I will be waiting but if its not out but 2004 then im not waiting any longer. They're going to have to come out with something soon otherwise they are going to loose serious competition.
It toke the Preditor 3 years to be made but know one really knew it was coming out, and not many people were looking forward to a Polaris. It takes time to come out with the perfect quad as Honda usually does.

I'll take bets now. I say early 2004 ;) .

[mreiser21]

all i know is when it does come out it will by total suprise and it will be a **** of a bike.

[raptor_02]

if one does come out i'm going to be pissed cause i'm sinking all my money in my 400ex! But in a way I will be happy too! ;)

[DirtDiggler]

I have a couple of ?s

If John Arens can make a 4130 chromoly frame and sell if for $1200 and make a profit and Honda could do it much cheaper and in greater numbers why not sell us a quad with a frame like this to begin with?

What is the story with the crf450r motor supposedly needing to have a new top end frequently? I heard it was partly due to it having a single ring piston but I don't know enough about it to speculate.

I remember getting that survey from Honda about fuel injection and they were only taking about a price increase of $100 - $200.

If this is the case we should be able to get a fuel injected 450cc engine in an aluminum frame (A strong aluminum frame) for the cost of or less than a raptor.

My .02 but if you guys who are much more knowledgable about this stuff can educate me I would like to understand better.
Diggler

[DirtDiggler]

or a 4130 frame.

[y2k400ex]

Well it happened, Wheres the new honda?????:confused:

[DirtDiggler]

that's funny in a truthful yet sadistic kind of a way. If the Honda dealers really are ragging Honda because they are getting killed by the sales numbers of all the other new HP quads it's got to happen soon.

[GT300]

Before the 400ex came out the last new sport quad was the 300ex. And people didn't have anything new to ride for 6 years. And now new one's are coming out every six months. We should be extremly grateful for what we have now (not saying that we are ungrateful) and what will happen if honda releases a new quad that blows everything away. Yamaha will have to make an even better one and so will suzuki. But quads aren't that high in demand that they will keep making new one's. Maybe it will be another six years before a new quad is released. I don't know.

[DirtDiggler]

I think after the new Honda you might see and Arctic Cat sport quad with the Z400 engine in it since they have already had pictures of the prototype. You are also going to see and improved DS650. Bombardier is trying to shave 60lbs off it as well as improving hp through jetting/ airflow changes. They also are improving the shocks. I read in a mag that they radically under gear the DS and if you go with the proper gearing they designed for it, it does between 85 - 87 mph.

Other than that the only other possibilities I can think of are:

1. A 400 - 450cc Yamaha maybe.

2. An unknown or over seas distributor releasing a sport quad.

Diggler

where henrietta ny?

[DirtDiggler]

Henrietta is a suburb of Rochester.

[stocktires]

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=406709#post406709

Here's a lil' sumthin sumthin I put together about the new honda quad ;)

[Sandgod4]

Dirtdigger you couldn't be more correct on your second choice. Stayed tuned in the next six months..:eek:

[VooDuu Child]

Honda missed the boat. Every major brand out there is stealing up all the new market shares of sport/race quads being sold. So if the big H is waiting to sell those EX's (which is like pullin teeth with all these new quads out), they will never release their new machine. I'm ok with that, wouldn't trad my Z's for anything.

[Roobus1]

Bought it last night. It's pretty sweet. Rode it all the way across the U.S. I even had sex on it. Then I woke up.

[Castor-426ex]

look i work for honda...really...im gonna break it to ya...after all the letters, emails....and cussings on the phone....im sorry to say that WE ARE NOT gonna do the sport quad thing again

we are however...gonna give you another ex


the all new.... 50ex

thats right...all new for 04....

Radical one valve system....its both intake and exhaust :D
saves weight
34 section exhaust...headpipe, bend pipe, lil straight pipe, lil curved pipe..bent pipe to muffler...you get it...innovation
solid rubber footpegs... dont ask..we got em from nasa
the new "waterseat" i wouldnt reccommend jumping
single bearing axle...one bearing not two
Back up "big wheel power" pedal that *******




well im glad i got all that out...i gotta get back to work
:D :D

[twisted threads]

Castor you just broke our hearts!!:( I Hope honda dont make a new bike I just got my Ex paid off!!:rolleyes: :D

[660bigdaddy]

i hope they make a new honda. then i can pick up a 400ex for about 2 grand. and use it for a practice bike. you won't be able to give a 400ex away after they build a new honda...jmo

[phatswinn]

Originally posted by DirtDiggler
Henrietta is a suburb of Rochester.

yea, im in gates coolbeans where u live in ny free ride?

i say in 4 years

the ex came out in 99. its only been 5 years so they are probably just starting to work on it now and it takes time

[goochy]

I'll BE RIDING GREEN!!!! , if Honda does not make me a quad before Nov. Maybe a 400 KFX with 500cc kit, or I will atleast look at the KFX 700 too...... hurry up Honda...the clock is ticking.

Well here's a spy photo taken of a honda engineer testing out the new beast....:huh

[powerslider]

Originally posted by BigRider69
I dont know if its true or not but my
local Honda dealer said he caught wind
at a meeting thing they had, that they were
gonna bring back a 250R look alike. But I
dont know so its just what I heard from him
and what I told yall.


Ya know there actually may be some truth to that (250R look alike) From an inside source 12 to 18 months, not a 2 stroke...

[da_rider26]

my sponcer got some stuff in the mailer couple days ago from honda and was also told at last pro flat track race that they will be announcing new 450 honda next mounth but wont come out on market untill 2004

[hsr]

its this simple, put the crf450 motor in an r frame or cannondale type frame, honda isnt as stupid as suzuki and yamaha , they dont give "dirt wheels" spy shots and all of that other stupid ****, they know what they need to do , and if they dont do it they are only hurting themselves, when it comes to the performance market, the 400ex just doesnt cut it anymore, the crf450 will stomp anythin out there:devil :devil

[powerslider]

As much as everyone wants it, they will NOT simply put the CRF 450 into a quad frame. If it is in fact a 450 it will be re-engineered for quad use and detuned as well....:(

[Evan]

Its simple, go read the mags, if you go back and look at the old mags, you will see they have predicted or knew about almost every quad ever released at least hiperformance wise.

[newjacksm]

i dont think honda is gonna make a new atv any time soon...

[muff]

Originally posted by newjacksm
i dont think honda is gonna make a new atv any time soon...

i agree someone, they will be releasing a quad, for the sake of their own good, it all comes down to how much power will it have

they probably dont want to run into cases like they did before when there was all the probs w/ 250rs bein to fast or whatever

[400exredrider]

I talked to a buddy of mine......hes a big honda dealer...what he told me is that honda should be announcing the new sport quad in mid to late 2003 they may have 2 coming out.......a 450 4 stroke and some forced fuel 2 stroke that will run smooth clean and hard....what else could a guy ask for........just go buy a Predator or a Z/kfx400 or even a V force 700 cause i heard them things got balls only dis advantage is weight and auto:( but that aint nothin that cant be fixed....i bet it rips in drag races;)

[newjacksm]

fourced fuel 2 stroke.. ThERe out lawing them dude!

you will never see a new 2 stroke again except from gas gas which came out. Thats ALL

[Chef]

Well, the last thing I heard about the new honda, is that it is 445cc's, is a 5 valve deisgn (3 in 2 exh) Has a sparks style stock pipe, the FCR41 Carb comes stock, it has a whopping 21.3:1 Compression Ratio, and runs on DIESEL!!!

[erac4019]

You guy's arn't gonna like this, but I have it on the DL that the new Honda sport quad is a 650. Most likely a detuned XR motor.

[muff]

Originally posted by CHEF440EX
Well, the last thing I heard about the new honda, is that it is 445cc's, is a 5 valve deisgn (3 in 2 exh) Has a sparks style stock pipe, the FCR41 Carb comes stock, it has a whopping 21.3:1 Compression Ratio, and runs on DIESEL!!!

sweet, does it run on rocket fuel?

[schism_rhs]

If they were to come out with a "clean running" design for a 2 stroke then it would pass all regulations and would not be banned.

[erac4019]

sweet, does it run on rocket fuel?

He said it runs diesel.

[Ryan]

Wow... I can't wait for the new diesel race quad to come out. Its gonna hall ***** . Can I run it on Kerasine also :huh .


That would be funny if they really made a diesel quad. But I think that much compression could make a bomb :huh ;) .

[Fred55]

GUESS WHAT! Polaris already did make one!

[muff]

Originally posted by erac4019
He said it runs diesel.

doh, rocket powered diesel? lol

[Glow Plug]

honda takes it's time developing a new bike, why do they do this to make sure that they do not run into any major problems out of the factory um like suzuki, yamaha etc etc so i would rather wait for a good well built quad that will not break down under normal usage then something that was cobed together in six months with fatory spare time

[newjacksm]

ok i heard honda is going to make a quad run off


LIQUIDIZED HUMAN ****.

guys!

GAS IS GOING TO BE FREE!

[stocktires]

Originally posted by newjacksm
fourced fuel 2 stroke.. ThERe out lawing them dude!

you will never see a new 2 stroke again except from gas gas which came out. Thats ALL

WRONG!
Get your facts straight before you act like you know everything...

[newjacksm]

am i wrong its rumored they will be out lawed 2006. so i dont no what your talking about

[cjpoole1]

Originally posted by newjacksm
fourced fuel 2 stroke.. ThERe out lawing them dude!

you will never see a new 2 stroke again except from gas gas which came out. Thats ALL
Guess again, heres some info on the new 2-stroke engine www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/exp2.html

[FoxRacing400EX]

i've heard rumors that honda was testing on a 750 model with some pros and the feedback was that it was a huge machine and was kinda hard to handle. I think if honda was to release something new they would go big rather than take a baby step from the 400. Either way i doubt we'd see hide nor hair of it for some time.

[motoboy66]

What ever they bring out, I will be the first in my area to have it. Last weekend i went to the local dealer amd put down $200.00 on the first one in thier door. The sales person looked shocked when i asked if i could do this, but they took my money and started the waiting list. I hope it is not any bigger than a 450, and i also hope that they make it so a lot of 400 parts will fit on it. Stuff like shocks and a-arms. Well i hope it is here soon befor i sink too much money into my EX. I guess since i will loose my a## if i sell the EX i'll just keep it since it is paid for.

latter all

[400exredrider]

Newjacksm................Thats WHy its called a FORCED FUEL 2 stroke..............................guess what they wont out law that because it actually runs cleaner then a conventional 4 stroke....Like they said get your facts straight!:huh :blah

[400exredrider]

By the way Thanks for backin me up stock tires and cjpoole1 at least you know what your talkin about..........not flamin but jeez check sorces befor you blab like the chinese guy:chinese: :devil

[DirtDiggler]

Didn't the article say something like "by the year 2000"? I know this stuff is in development for a while but if this bike was ready and tested in races and it was before the year 2000 I think we would have seen at least a bike like this by now. Not that I know anything but it seems like a long time for Honda to brake it out now if it was ready 4 to 5 years ago or maybe more.

[newjacksm]

ddude there out lawing 2 strokes in 2006

[muff]

Originally posted by newjacksm
ddude there out lawing 2 strokes in 2006

what about the crs? or are we just talkin about quads?

what kind of outlaw is this? you're not suppose to ride a 91+cc quad when ur under 16 but who gives?

[TeamC&GRacer]

honda wont come out with something for a good time, they just put a lot of money into that stupid robot that could have gone into a new quad!!

[newjacksm]

haha yeah that ****ing robot

[newjacksm]

i mean you cant buy any 2 strokes any more after 2006 brand new from the dealer

[Nausty]

Sure honda can hurry up and rush a new quad but personally I would rather see them take their time and do it right so that we don't see problems like the 01 raptor and the z400. Personally I can't see honda building a new quad because there is so much competition and people still are buying 400ex's and not only that they won't waste money on r&d, retooling, robots, marketing, ect.

But chances are if honda does come out with a machine it will be very refined and will catch everyone by surprise when all the manufactures have released all their quads. Thats just my opinion on the whole honda sport quad and I would expect it to be dealers in at least a couple years if it did come out. Oh yah Dirtwheels and 4wheel atv action sucks and I wouldn't take anything to heart on what they say about.

[erac4019]

Originally posted by Nausty
Sure honda can hurry up and rush a new quad but personally I would rather see them take their time and do it right so that we don't see problems like the 01 raptor and the z400. Personally I can't see honda building a new quad because there is so much competition and people still are buying 400ex's and not only that they won't waste money on r&d, retooling, robots, marketing, ect.

But chances are if honda does come out with a machine it will be very refined and will catch everyone by surprise when all the manufactures have released all their quads. Thats just my opinion on the whole honda sport quad and I would expect it to be dealers in at least a couple years if it did come out. Oh yah Dirtwheels and 4wheel atv action sucks and I wouldn't take anything to heart on what they say about.

What exactlly are the problems with the Z? Bent axles? Fixed. Bent frames? Crap! There are no more bent Z frames out there than any other sport quad.

[JOEX]

Originally posted by newjacksm
i mean you cant buy any 2 strokes any more after 2006 brand new from the dealer
I belive that is only in California....Can anyone confirm that?

Joe

[cjpoole1]

Originally posted by newjacksm
ddude there out lawing 2 strokes in 2006
They aren't "outlawing" them, they are strictly regulating the emissions and yes they can make clean 2-strokes. Several outboard marine engine companies already produce 2-stroke engines that comply with 2006 EPA regulations. Heres some info on it for you.


The Environmental Protection Agency released their final regulations regarding emission standards for off-highway motorcycles, ATVs, and snowmobiles on September 13, 2002. The new standards will go into effect in 2006 for all categories, although snowmobiles will have a three tiered phase-in process that won't be totally implemented until 2012.

OFF-HIGHWAY MOTORCYCLES

The new EPA emission standards for off-highway motorcycles are focused on the "enduro" bike category, which includes models such as Honda XR, Yamaha TTR, Kawasaki KLX/KDX, and Suzuki DR models. The standards are similar to standards already adopted in California for the category, but slightly more lenient. In 2006, a minimum of 50% of the models produced must meet the new standard, and 100% must meet the standard by 2007. Most models in this category are already 4-stroke models, but the few 2 stroke models in production today, such as the popular Kawasaki KDX 200/220 models, will be gone. There are also several small, beginner models, such as the Yamaha PW series which will be impacted. The good news is the EPA standards will accommodate models such as the Suzuki DRZ 400, and the Yamaha YZF WR models, which do not meet the California standard.

When the EPA first proposed the motorcycle standards, one of the biggest issues was competition motorcycles. While 4-strokes now constitute a growing percentage in the competition category, 2-stroke models are still very popular. At one point, the EPA was considering limiting the sale of competition motorcycles to professional riders only, but eventually, that idea was dropped. They have decided not to regulate competition motorcycles, so the current line of models will likely continue, although more and more 4 stroke models will become available, so emission from this category will drop further over time, even with 2-stroke models being available. The EPA is still concerned about recreational use of competition bikes, so the manufacturers will be required to submit these models for certification. At the same time, the EPA will be monitoring state registration records to determine how many of these competition motorcycles are being registered for public land for recreational use. If too many of them show up in the registration records, the EPA could deny certification of future competition models from those manufacturers.

The EPA also created a second, more lenient emission standard for companies who would produce a new technology 2-stroke competition motorcycle, and allow fleet averaging. This standard is still far below the levels of current 2-stroke models and would require a mix of 4-stroke, and new technology 2-stroke models. Additionally, manufacturers who chose this option would not be able to sell unregulated 2-stroke competition models. The idea is to spur new, cleaner 2-stroke technology and to reduce the potential for buyers to purchase unregulated 2-stroke competition models because of the lighter weight and performance of current competition 2-strokes. These cleaner 2-stroke competition models would be more desirable because they could be used on public lands for recreation purposes.

ALL-TERRAIN VEHICLES (ATVs)

The EPA emission standards are also similar to California standards. Most ATV models are 4-strokes today and will be able to meet the standard with minimal changes, but there are several 2-stroke models in several categories that would be eliminated. Most of these models are small, kids models, or lower-price, entry-level, full-size machines, but also include the very popular Yamaha Banshee. The EPA originally proposed a two-tier approach, with a very tough second-tier standard to be phased in 2010, but in the end, the second tier was dropped from the final regulation.

While there are no ATV models sold today as "competition" models, manufacturers would be able to submit non-complying competition models for certification with the EPA. As in the motorcycle category, any competition models submitted would be monitored for registration for recreational uses. Additionally, no new companies that are not on the ATV market today would be allowed to certify competition models. The reason would be to prevent the creation of new companies to simply get around the regulations.

SNOWMOBILES

Of the three OHV categories, snowmobiles will be most affected, as over 95% of the current models are 2-strokes. Recognizing the unique characteristics of snowmobiles, which require high power to weight ratios, the EPA is being more lenient with snowmobiles. Starting with machines built in 2006, the EPA is requiring a 30% reduction in hydrocarbons (HC) and carbon monoxide (CO) for a minimum of half of the fleet, and is allowing fleet averaging on the other half. By 2007, 100% of the fleet must reduce emissions by 30%. OEM?s can also "bank" emission credits for all low emission models built prior to 2006. This will allow for a mix of 4-stroke models, new technology 2-strokes, and some conventional 2-strokes with minimal upgrades. The EPA recognized that this is a big change for the industry, and they need more time to develop reliable technology in this market segment. By 2010, the standard calls for a 50% reduction in HC and a 30% reduction in CO, and by 2012, a 50% reduction on both HC and CO.

In the last two years, all four companies have introduced 4-stroke models, but until this year, all of them have been low powered models aimed at the rental market. Just as Yamaha was the first company to produce a competitive 4-stroke motocross bike, they are also the first company to introduce a high performance 4-stroke snowmobile. This model offers state of the art performance, but is heavier than competing 2-stroke models. It is sure to be a hit for the eastern, trail oriented market, but for western mountain riding, the verdict won't be returned until they are in customer hands this winter. There will also be new technology 2-stroke models using Direct Injection technology, similar to what is already available on some personal watercraft models today. Ski-Doo has a Semi-Direct Injection model available this winter that looks promising, but it also is an unproven, first year model.

[Nausty]

Originally posted by erac4019
What exactlly are the problems with the Z? Bent axles? Fixed. Bent frames? Crap! There are no more bent Z frames out there than any other sport quad.

it could be fixed but it was a problem to begin with, I didn't mean the z imperticular but most models are rushed and usually have problems in the final design. I know i've put my 400ex frame through heII and back and its not showing any signs of damage.

[FourFiftyFour]

i think in Texas they are outlawing 2 strokes in a few years... it'll be a shame too..... specially for the dirt bike guys cuz most of them race 2 strokes.... And another thing HOW LONG HAVE PPL BEEN SAYIN THAT HONDA WAS GOING TO MAKE A 250R REP AGAIN?!?!?!?!?!.... a long time! i doubt that its gonna happen, i wont belive it until i see it

[DirtDiggler]

Supposedly the dealers are up in arms because all the dealers of Suzuki, Kawasaki, Polaris, Yamaha etc all have new sport quads that are more powerful with more options than the ex at a competitive price. 400ex sales are definitely down compared to a year or more ago and there are a few dealers in the forums that I've heard say so. I don't think Honda can wait a couple more years some Honda fans have already jumped ship and I don't think everyone that's left will hold out forever unless they have no intention of buying a quad any time soon. Just my .02
Diggler

[stocktires]

Originally posted by newjacksm
i mean you cant buy any 2 strokes any more after 2006 brand new from the dealer

Dude, shut the HE!! UP! You have NO IDEA what your talking about (like I said already)!!! :grr

[400exredrider]

Thanks Again Cjpoole1 And Stock tires:D And yes i belive they are only banning 2 strokes in california cause of bad pollution already.........thats just what i heard tho.... I think CJs Long article says it all if you want to read it all Newjacksm:eek: :o Have fun:p

[cjpoole1]

Anytime, I only post on a subject if I have facts to back it up, unlike a majority of the people on forums

[muff]

Originally posted by cjpoole1
Anytime, I only post on a subject if I have facts to back it up, unlike a majority of the people on forums

lol I dont see any facts in that topic

I see what ur saying tho and there is a ton of bs goin around

[cjpoole1]

Originally posted by muff
lol I dont see any facts in that topic

I see what ur saying tho and there is a ton of bs goin around
Cut and paste from an envirormental related site is about as close to facts as it gets

[goochy]

Lets get back to Hondas new quad!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cjpoole1]

what new quad??:mad:

[goochy]

the dream we all have, we all think they will make a new quad. NOT!!!!!!!!!

[stocktires]

Originally posted by goochy
the dream we all have, we all think they will make a new quad. NOT!!!!!!!!!


Its a dream, and nothing more...
Or thats what its been for that last 3 years now :rolleyes: :p

[goochy]

got e mail from australia honda site, he said it WILL BE OUT LATER THIS YEAR!!!!! 450 cc quad

[Evan]

Originally posted by stocktires
Its a dream, and nothing more...
Or thats what its been for that last 3 years now :rolleyes: :p


Trust me stocktires, there is a new honda and it is badarse. Yes it is a 4 stroke. Thats all Im sayin for now.

[stocktires]

Originally posted by X-Rider
Trust me stocktires, there is a new honda and it is badarse. Yes it is a 4 stroke. Thats all Im sayin for now.

I dont doubt that X, but he!!, they need to nut up and FINALLY release something.
I know I wont be buying one anytime soon if it is released soon. (or maybe EVER).
But ya see what Im saying? People have been saying "it'll be out in 2 months" for about 3 1/2 YEARS!

Everyone knows honda's balls have shrunk since the 80's, no doubt it'll be way detuned if it is a 450.
It wouldnt suprise me if people ACTUALLY had to do motor swaps (crf) with a NEW high-performance quad from honda.
But hey, anything can happen. Im basically just talking in circles here about "what if" stuff