any people out there running PEP ZPS long travel shocks, i got a q??

[400exBro]

i am wondering if some one could post some pics please??

also was it worth it to get the lt over the standered travel? worth the wait, money etc...
are you happy with the out come??

and i if may ask how much where they, are the same as the standered travl pep zps??

i didn't have time today to call some people and ask i got work so.....

and just give me some pros and cons, i would like to now more about the lt zps ...

thanks for your time, and this is not another pep vs. elka, or i hope it won't turn into one...

[James70214]

If you arte going to get PEP definitely get the long travels if you have the extra money for long travel a arms. They are the same price895 as regular travel.

I have had 2 sets of PEP Shocks and love them

[400exBro]

were should i order them from, C&D??

thanks

[Predator36]

I would order them from Baldwin.

[400exBro]

come anyone else out there run these shocks??

i would like some pics of the shocks when it is mounted etc...??

thanks

i have some ordered but i have yet to recive them. i got mine through baldwin.

[forum]

decided to go pep bro?? what happend to elka?

[400exBro]

well i would like some input on the peps lt.. if they cost as much as the elkas it will be tough choice..

but so far i will probably end up going with the pep zps standered travel and some arens a arms...
i am a liitle low on money after i got me some hiper rims

the pep lt's are the same as the regulars at 895(cheaper than elka long travels). i am sure you'll be happy with pep. they set up shocks perfect and will make you a life time customer.

[forum]

I don't no about you bro but I want my shocks before the season starts. not to mention before summer. Elka doesnt even have the parts to make my shocks in there factory yet cause i got the elites and they will still only be three weeks. the shocks for my practice bike will be here in less then a week from now.

[400exBro]

you got a pratice bike??

what a stock ex??
ya that is the other thing to take into consideration...

but first i got to save some for a rear axle and bearing carier, then rear shock, then front a arms and shocks.

[BadA$$440]

im also interested in PEP LT's.

I dont think i have seen anybody use them and i havent heard of anybody that has them either. I will probly also be ruinnin the Arens/PEP setup.

[forum]

practice bike = 400ex basicaly the same as my last years machine only in better shape and its a 2001. I used last years machine for the conversion.

the practice bike has my douglaus champions, x-33 durabreak, works fronts (for now), and Im extending the stock a arms myself. Its just a practice bike so who cares!. and I might get some engine work on it. I gotta figure out some stuff with a local engine builder.

[400exBro]

nice deal...

so which one are you bring to the ontario exriders ride??

[OutlawEX]

I got some PEP zps LT's on order from baldwin they should be here the 10th of this month because its gonna be 8 weeks so yay!:devil

[Dave400ex]

I think these are LT PEP's...

[Dave400ex]

I think these are too because I think the T-Pin is only LT....

[forum]

booth

[dawzie]

If you are going to be doing the national mx circuit, then you will NEED long travel shocks. 20 minute moto's plus 2 laps build up alot of heat. The standard ones can not handle the abuse week after week. If you are a weekend worrior, the 16" will work great. We have both in pep's and LT in axis. Love them both.

[400exBro]

i will be racing probably what like 2-3 times a month a persume??!!

i now that one track on the circuit will get rough, due to the fact it is sand, i am undcertain about the others...

just to clarify this i am able to run pep 16" shocks with standered travel a arms right?? and there is no price difference between the 3 (lt, 16", and standered)??

also the zps they comp and rebound adjustable right?
i thought you don't want rebound on the front, according to elka you get 2" more wheel travel if you run comp only, does pep sell in comp only??
because the more ability i have to play with stuff the more likely i will be screwing things up, one shocks are perfect, i didn't think so, i play with it and it is toatly off wack.....

thanks for the pics,,..
Outlaw pm, or post a review on the lt pep when you get them..

my zps lt shocks are comp. only if i remeber right. 16" and standard are the same thing. long travel shcoks are 3" longer than standard shocks. unless you plan to spen 750+ on a arms stick with regular 16" shocks.

[BadA$$440]

ya i dont race any nationals. Isthere a huge difference between a +3 LT setup and a +3 standard setup? Im just a weekend warrior but plan to race alot of MX in the future. So i might just go with the stand plus 3 and standard 16" shocks

all that long travels have over std. is really they hold more oil so they keep cooler. the mount also have a different leverage ratio i belive.

[BadA$$440]

thanks MX132 fo the good info.

I made up my mind now.

[400exBro]

but really if the shocks cost the same, why not buy the the lt right away, that ay as you get better yiou don't always have to buy new shocks and a arms etc...??

3" difference same price, and i would get teh arens lt a arms which should range around 600$...

thanks for your help

[BadA$$440]

does anyoneknow when he is coming out with the a-arms?

hey 400exBRO, are you getting a rear shok or kepig the stock one. If so, what kind of rear shock you gettin?

[YLW400]

400EX bro, the only drawbacks I saw to the long travel....well they aren't drawbacks I guess, ..But to stay within the 50", you will have to buy 4+1 offset fron wheels and the a-arms cost a little more. So I would assume you would pay at least 400.00 more....correct me if I am wrong anyone..I just ordered +2 Housers yesterday along with an LSR axle...and my 16" PEP in December. The way I look at it is...If I dont feel the +2 setup is wide enough, I will have no problem selling the whole setup, on here or E-bay. Someone is always looking for shocks. Then I will get the L/T setup.

[BadA$$440]

Long Travel isnt $400 more. Arens LT a-arms are no higher then $600 which is cheaper then some standard a-arms, and the PEP LT shocks are the same price as the standard 16''

[YLW400]

You didnt get what I said........You will also have to buy 4+1 offset wheels to stay within the 50" mark......I would assume you would buy beadlocks, so thats 300.00 for two fronts there.....plus. 100.00 more for the Arens L/T then for the Houser +2

So, actually that is 400.00 more the 16" with +2 Housers:D

[BadA$$440]

but what if you already have 4+1 rims:D


And who sells houser a-arms for only $500?

[YLW400]

Well if you have 4+1 rims, then you just saved your butt 300.00:D . And the other thing....Our trusty site sponsor sells Houser for around that price. I ordered mine yesterday:blah Those are +2 though, not L/T

[BadA$$440]

who did you buy your PEPS from?

[YLW400]

Baldwin....should be here in about 2 weeks. There was someone else on here that should be getting his anyday now....I spoke to him through PM a few times, but I forgot who it was.

[BadA$$440]

how much he charge you?

you guys should stop holding your breath for arens a-arms. know one knows for sure when they'll be out .

and as for pep. i Ordered mine oct 12 and have yet to recive them. never belive what baldwin says till he asks for your money.

[BadA$$440]

whewwwww, i thought i was go to die if i held my breath any longer, lol

by the time i order a-arms his a-arms should already be out

and by the time his arms are out a new honda could be out.

[BadA$$440]

true, but i only have enough money to buy a-arms, i cant afford a new quad.

if it was me and my money was limited i'd just get regular travel and some +3 a-arms.
I just got laid off so i have pep lt shocks and no money to buy a-arms for them. it sucks pretty bad.

[raptor_02]

well i'm getting ready to buy a-arms and some Elka shocks. I plan on running 8 national races. How much more will it cost me to run the Long travel setup?? What will I have to buy to get the Long travel setup?

elkas are like over 1000 for there lt shock if i remember. and then you'd need a set of lt a-arms. herrmanns are about the cheapest at 725

[raptor_02]

i just looked and found a set of long travel ELKAS for 970. Now if I can find some cheap a-arms. What's the cheapest but good lt a-arms out there?

www.herrmannracing.com
www.houser-racing.com
www.merrellextreme.com
theres also jrd performance but i forgot ther addy

[raptor_02]

OUCH! Cheapest set of Long travels a-arms are like 775. I have some thinking to do about that:eek:

merrells are 695 and herrmanns are 725

[YLW400]

Have you called Baldwin MX132? I called them last week and he told me 2-3 weeks the stuff would be in, then he would build them and have em out to me.. U should really call them and see whats up ? Are they ZPS....16"...what are they? L/T..talk to me here....lol

i talked to him saturday. he told me first thing this week. it's been 2 more weeks since december. i have zps long travels ordered.

[YLW400]

I have 16" ZPS ordered and they told me 8-10 weeks from the get go. I ordered them the 12th of Dec.....So, like mid Feb will be about the right time for them. I hope this doesnt turn into a fiasco. I just want my shocks!!:macho

i am getting used to it. i also have a bumper thats been on back order from c&d for a while now.

[YLW400]

Good luck with your stuff man. What bumper did you order?

400ex ac stadium

[YLW400]

SOunds like you are just having bad luck! I wanna see some pics when you get your shocks. If this shock thing goes for me like it is going for you. I will be calling Baldwin EVERY day till I get my shocks. Religiously.

i call him every saturday like 5 mins after they open.:D

[YLW400]

lol....But I mean I would call them EVERY....day....lol.

it's not the wait that bother me since i wouldn't be riding if i did have them. the thing thats bothering me is i can't afford a-arms know since i got laid off. it tokk me forever to find a job that worked around my school schedual.

[raptor_02]

wonder if anyone has any long travel a-arms for around 500-600. That would be sweet!!!!!!!!!

[400exBro]

ya really money aint an issue now it is the wiat, season starts in april.........

for now i got works shocks, and stock a arms, i might just wait and do all this next fall/winter, first i think i will buy the pep zps rear shock which about the same as a front,,, i don t get why backs are as much as a set of fronts???

after the rear end is done, i will dig into the front.... plus i am ordering some hipers from c&d..

[forum]

the season starts in march! well the first practice meet is the last weekend in march. it was lastyear anyway.

[raptor_02]

ok i'm a little confused here. How much wider does long travel a-arms make your quad???? Are all long travel shocks 19 inches?? On all the regular a-arms I see you can choose the width. But on LT a-arms you can't. Why is that?? Some reply's would be greatly appreciated.

[R-Crazy]

if ya read the thread that Predator36 started (suspension101) he stated that if the front and rear suspension travel isnt similar (within 1/2 inch) the shock w/ the shorter travel will feel very harsh, no matter what you do. so if you get LT front, i would suggest getting LT rear, and talk to baldwin and tell him exactly what you want, rather than leaving him to decide and guess. and remember, it the ball joint only allows for 10 inches of travel, it doesnt matter if you have 50 inch shocks.:blah

dave

[Dave400ex]

I believe the Herrmann LT arms are the cheapest at $775. Herrmann increased his prices. The Arens would be the best bet at around $600 when they come out. They should be out soon, but Arens is working on a lot of stuff right now....

[BadA$$440]

Originally posted by 300ex rules
if ya read the thread that Predator36 started (suspension101) he stated that if the front and rear suspension travel isnt similar (within 1/2 inch) the shock w/ the shorter travel will feel very harsh, no matter what you do. so if you get LT front, i would suggest getting LT rear, and talk to baldwin and tell him exactly what you want, rather than leaving him to decide and guess. and remember, it the ball joint only allows for 10 inches of travel, it doesnt matter if you have 50 inch shocks.:blah

dave

What if you have a nce suspension setup up front but stock in the rear? Will it feel like therear is getting tossed around while th front end is going smooth?

Also, is it ok to have 2 diff brand shocks? Like pep up font and a works shock in the rear or is it best to have one kind of shock all the way around? Cuz i cant see spending $900 for ONE rear shock from PEP.

[400exBro]

ya that is what i mean...

[Dave400ex]

If you get PEP ZPS fronts, you will really need to dish out the $900 for the rear PEP or it will not be the same, unless you are doing it to a 400 then you can have it rebuilt for $425....

[BadA$$440]

How do you kow this? From personal experience? i dont see why i should have to buy a PEP rear.

[dawzie]

It really does matter. Talk to your shock supplier, read that thread suspen 101. YOU NEED MATCHED SHOCKS !!!!! and travel.

on a 400ex you can have the stock rebuilt by baldwin. the stocker will be a little worse than a pep rear but to a normal rider they won't notice it. thes only like a 10% differance in performance between a stocker rebuild and a pep shock.

[James70214]

For the guys saying if you get long travel a arms and shocks you have to get 4 and 1 offset rimes. The are TOTALLY WRONG. Most XC Guys are running +1 or +0 long travel a arms. You can get long travels in +2 also or +3. If you choose +3 then you will need 4 and 1 rims.
You can get +2 long travel front end and run standard off sets and stil be under 50 inches

[BadA$$440]

Originally posted by James70214
For the guys saying if you get long travel a arms and shocks you have to get 4 and 1 offset rimes. The are TOTALLY WRONG. Most XC Guys are running +1 or +0 long travel a arms. You can get long travels in +2 also or +3. If you choose +3 then you will need 4 and 1 rims.
You can get +2 long travel front end and run standard off sets and stil be under 50 inches


if you would have read it right, they said you need 4/1 rims with the +3 long travel a-arms only, not the +2, +1, or +0

well mity mo is running herrmann +3 a arms and stock rims. so the width might not be over with a 3/2 or whatever offset. i think the 4/1 offset is more to reduce bumpsteer that longer a-arms create.

[Dave400ex]

I have emailed and talked to a few other guys and they have both said if you have ZPS fronts you need to have a ZPS rear or the shocks won't work right and they actually work againist each other. To have a good ZPS setup, you need them on the front and rear, and with the 250r PEP does not make a ZPS conversion so you have to dish out the $900 for a new shock, or just get Limited Mass because they do offer a rebuild for the 250r in that. Also TCS does do a ZPS rebuild on the stock rear 250r shock as well as Elka....

[BadA$$440]

well since i cant afford $1800 i will get works pro series fronts and a works rear shock since i dot do huge jumps i dont have to worry about them blowing on me. What do you guys think? +3 standard a-arms with works pro series shocks a food setup for a beginner?

p.s this is a good thread

you could do pep 16" zps front 895 and a rear rebuilt 400ex 425 shock for 1300. throw in a nice set of a-arms say 500. for 1800 you could have a nice setup. buy them from a good retailer and you might get a discount.

or you could run some tcs shocks which are a great shock too

[BadA$$440]

you dont sugest the works?

and are you talking about baldwin doing the rebuild on the rear shock. how does would you think this compares to a PEP rear shock. Im not a pro so i probbly wouldnt even notice the difference.

[400exBro]

have you ever cased a 60 foot table top on works front and stock rear??

boy it is something you don't want to experience.... i am suprised my frame didn't bust in half... Man i got at least 10+ feet of air... next time i go to the track in the spring will get some pics.. i doubt i will jump it again, until i get some new shocks, rear first, that way i can land on the rear end...

the works are okay shocks for what you pay for, and with the rezzies they don't fade... and if they don't i have never noticed... i really pouned them through the whoops... and when you bottom out it doesn't fell like the stockers, it you don't feel it... but my frame slams in the ground when i do bottom out...

but for the price 300 dollars more, it is sssssoooooo worth it to ge the pep zps, i wish i would of saved a couple more months longer and bouhgt my self a set of elkas or peps...

o well, also with the pep zps lt shocks does the last spring, longest one, have a 600 lbs per inch set up, to pervent bottoming out??? elka uses that on the last spring on the elite quad rate lt shocks... becuase that would be a good feature becuase you wouldn't be able to bottom out, well it is possible but it would be hard.....

[Jekyl_22]

Boy have I got a deal for you guys... I will sell someone some stock a-arms and shocks (front & rear) for the low low price of $1800. Or 3 easy payments of $600. Think about it....:p

P.S. Sorry if you thought (when you read the begining) that it was going to sell some Long Travel shocks really cheap...:(

[Dave400ex]

Well since you can't afford the PEP's, I would get TCS over the Works. TCS seems to make some great shocks. I know the ones my cousin had he liked and raced MX with them. You can get TCS fronts for $850 and a rear rebuild for $450. I think that would be the way to go, plus not a long wait. Then just get some Laeger, Houser, Herrmann, or Arens a-arms and you will be set...

sometimes you ccan get herrmanns for a great price off ebay

[BadA$$440]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
Well since you can't afford the PEP's, I would get TCS over the Works. TCS seems to make some great shocks. I know the ones my cousin had he liked and raced MX with them. You can get TCS fronts for $850 and a rear rebuild for $450. I think that would be the way to go, plus not a long wait. Then just get some Laeger, Houser, Herrmann, or Arens a-arms and you will be set...

if the TCS cost that much for te fronts then i rather get the PEPS instead.

Why does nobody like works? i know alot of MXers with them and they love them

[Dave400ex]

The point of getting TCS and not the PEP's is that TCS makes a ZPS rear rebuild, while PEP offers no ZPS rebuild for a 250r stock rear...

[BadA$$440]

ok, gotcha

[ieatglue]

i just called tcs and they quoted me front no preload shocks for $750 and rear rebuild for a 250r for $325. they do not do a mo preload rear rebuild for a 250r shock, it is called a race series. it would be like a pep limited mass shock.

[BadA$$440]

i thought the TCS's were around that price, $850 isfor the LT TCS's

[forum]

bro. what a arms do you plan on running?? cause if you plan on getting pep's with arens lt's. you wont be racing till sometyime after summer. Im going houser lt's with elite's

[raptor_02]

i guess i'm just going to go with a regular setup instead of a LT setup. The LT setup will cost around 400 bucks more.

[400exBro]

i am going with the arens +3 lt probably if i go with the lt setup which i probably will...

i can still race on what i got now, but it won t win my any places or points..........

frist i need a rear shock, i should of bought that axis rear shock tha was for sale a long time ago, it went for $500 brand new, 4 months old and serviced 2.....

any one selling a pep rear zps shock for a ex??? pm me or e-mail me...

thanks

[Dave400ex]

I know TCS offers a rear rebuild that has dual springs and a lot more sag then stock. Make sure the $750 are the new shocks. Check out K&K's site. They have the TCS I am talking about. Hmm I think you are right though, the conversion they list for the Banshee, 400ex, and Raptor they don't the 250r. I swear they used to do the same conversion to the 250r as the 400ex. None the less they are still great shocks and I would get those or PEP for MX Racing.

[400exBro]

indeed, pep is awsome,...

dana creech said that he would run pep even if, pep stop sponering him... which i doubt will happen becuase dana puts his stuff through he!!, he is a good racer and repersenter for him..

but i would true like try elka becuase it is a canadian company... Forum can i test ride your yzf 426 to test out those elkas:D ,,, j/k

[nick23]

i have regular pep zps that took a week from baldwin...but i am sponcered so that helps a lot!....if u want a pic of my front end let me know and i will post it

[400exBro]

don't worry i got pics of your bike already.....:o :D :confused2

do you close up of your shock tho, i want to see the top spring, it looks like chrome, is that a zps spring??

Originally posted by YLW400
Baldwin....should be here in about 2 weeks. There was someone else on here that should be getting his anyday now....I spoke to him through PM a few times, but I forgot who it was.

That was me:D

I called wayne at PEP and asked if i could get the shocks sooner cuz the races around here start real soon so he said they will be ready next week. I cant wait. ill be sure to post pics

[nick23]

yeah

[400exBro]

Nick- why is the rubber stopper on backwards and half way up the shock shaft???

shouldn't it be lower, i think it might have been put back together wrong.....

[400MXer]

No...that's how they go...and you can move them. That's how mine looks too!!!!!!

[nick23]

yeah...that rubber peice is right man...mark baldwin built those shocks...they moveeisily 2...i can use my fingers and move that up and down

[400exBro]

ooo okay, few, i thought that might of looked like a problem... at least i will now that if i were to get a pair..

Baldwin called me today to tell me my shocks are done. i can't wait to get them. to bad i can't afford a-arms to work with them

Originally posted by MX#132
Baldwin called me today to tell me my shocks are done. i can't wait to get them. to bad i can't afford a-arms to work with them

LOL i feel ur pain. Wayne at pep called me and said my shocks were shipped 2 days ago but i havent got a arms yet:eek: i need to order them soon

[Dave400ex]

Well at least you have the money to order some. MX doesn't have any money at all...

yeah. i spent 650 dollars on a new bed 2 days before i found out i was getting laid off so i was pretty broke when it happened. atleast i can hold them and tell them someday they'll have a home:D

[ieatglue]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
I know TCS offers a rear rebuild that has dual springs and a lot more sag then stock. Make sure the $750 are the new shocks. Check out K&K's site. They have the TCS I am talking about. Hmm I think you are right though, the conversion they list for the Banshee, 400ex, and Raptor they don't the 250r. I swear they used to do the same conversion to the 250r as the 400ex. None the less they are still great shocks and I would get those or PEP for MX Racing.


i talked to tcs and they quoted me $750 for std or LT fronts. they also said they only had a 2 week waiting period. the rebuild for the 250r is only one spring and it is not a zps style shock. their rebuild for the R does sag more then stock. they do a zps style conversion for the 400ex though and it does have the dual springs on it.

[Dave400ex]

Well for MX I would get TCS. I don't think you can go wrong with them. Good price, good quality, short wait....

[400exBro]

i am wondering, can pep convert my works shocks over to pep race seris shocks??
since it uses 1/2 shaft and all, and get them to valve it and stuff like that????

[Dave400ex]

I'm sure Baldwin could Revalve/Rebuild your Works. If you are going to do that I would have Derisi do his Pro Milliuem setup in them...

[nick23]

yes baldwin can re-work then and that is were i go...he does the best job of anyone i know...my friend has works re-built by him and he is going to keep them other than upgrading becouse they r just as good now....besides being zps

[BadA$$440]

does badwin do stock rear rebuilds for ZPS?

[400exBro]

i am sure they do the stock rear rebuild,,... if they do works then they probably do the stock stuff...

how much for the works shocks rebuild??? if it is over 350 i am going to buy the pep shocks then..

thanks

[nick23]

Originally posted by Bad*****440
does badwin do stock rear rebuilds for ZPS?

thats what i run man.....and i love it

Originally posted by nick23
thats what i run man.....and i love it

do u have a pic of the stock rear rebuild?

[nick23]

yeah..u can kinda see it

[Dave400ex]

PEP makes a ZPS rebuild for the 400ex rear, but not for the stock 250r rear. That's stupid. So if you want true ZPS for a 250r you have to put up $1,800. I think Limited Mass would be a good option for a 250r though...

[nick23]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
PEP makes a ZPS rebuild for the 400ex rear, but not for the stock 250r rear. That's stupid. So if you want true ZPS for a 250r you have to put up $1,800. I think Limited Mass would be a good option for a 250r though...


ummm...not 1800 buddy it is only 850 w/o sponcership

[Dave400ex]

That was for front and rear. Most PEP ZPS are $895.... :macho

[nick23]

i got i got..i am sure glad i did not have to pay that kind of money man

[Dave400ex]

Yeah us 400ex riders are lucky that PEP offers the ZPS conversion for the stock rear. I will thought that was a little high for me and that's why I ended up with the Elka's. Plus I can not stand to pay that kind of money and then wait...

[400exBro]

just a thought here but is there a difference in performance between the 16 inch and the 19 inch shocks???

i saw on houser web site that it is only a 75 dollar difference, so it is almost worth the extra 75 bucks..

also i talk to mark at baldwin today and he said to get the pep zps shocks over the 400 conversion... is it worth the extra money to get a rezzy and line?? the stock shock has rebound and comp already why would the rezzy and line make that much of a difference..?? unless the true pep shocks has more travel??

how much do the aren lt a arms go for??
standered travel??

i am wondering, you can t run 16 inch shocks on standered travel a arms can you, in +3 of corse???

thanks

the pep shock is only suppose to be 10-15% better. really i doubt you'd notice. unless you plan to do some serious racing then long travel isn't worth the money.

[400exBro]

oo i do mx racing,, i will pound them through the whoops, but i won t go out and jump 80 foot gaps right off the gekco...

so the difference between the rear rebuild and the pep zps shocks is only 10-15% difference... i wouldn t notice that it is too small..

Mx#123 are you running a stock rebuild... how do you like it?? does it have some what of a sag to it??

and another thing the stock shock is a 5/8 shaft right??

thanks

i got laid off from work before i could get mine. when i got my fronts done me and baldwin talked about it and he could really convince me it's a better shock than a rear rebuild. yes the rear shock has a 5/8 shaft. i plan to run a rear rebuild and over time save up for the rear if i don't build another quad first. if honda comes out with a new quad i don't feel like being stuck with 1800 dollars in shocks that might not fit it.

[MOUSE]

i had planned on getting the pep zps long travel front shocks with some houser plus 3 arms and the pep zps rear rebiuld. now if i understand what yall are saying is that if i dont get a long travel rear setup to go with the lt front my bike wont handle good.

now is this something that will cause major handling problems, or something that i wont notice as bad or i can deal with seeing as how i just ride for fun on the weekends at the local mx track. thanks

[MOUSE]

:chinese: anyone

i'll be running the same set-up except i am using herrmann a-arms. you'll be find with running that

[400exBro]

man you are spending a lot of money if you just ride at the tracks...

pep zps are designed to be abused and push to the very outer limits of a quads capiblities, maybe even further...

these are top quilty shocks that are meant for pro or "A" class... i would seriously think about limited mass shocks from pep.. that way you won't have to send a arm, toe and a leg....

anyone else out there have some opions on the rear rebuild??

does pep do the rear rebuild as well.. other than baldwin?? becuase i am going through my local pep dealer and he doesn't do rebuilds he sends them to pep direct...

thanks

[nick23]

i run pep zps and i use them to there max man..but that does no mean one bit that i run a or pro...what r u smoking man....some one that runs c can run pep and here is the reason why.....i know for a fact that atleast one c rider national is a better jumper than atleats one a rider...i don't even run nats man

[J25]

i think im gettin pep zps LT w/ houser lt's so it sounds liek a good deal to me

[nick23]

**** man yeah

[400exBro]

no i am just saying why spend so much if you are not going to use the full potentail ???

it doesn't bother me what the **** he gets i am just saying that it might almost be a waste of money, and machine down time?

how is the landing on zps on that 80 footer becuase that looks freaking huge???

[nick23]

the first time i did it was with bone stock shocks and +3 a-arms..it was ruff man...but now...it is nice..i just wish i had a rear shock!

[400exBro]

damn you are nuts man.. i won't even try 50 feet on stock shocks...

i run works on stock a arms and hit 60 foot table tops and then landing is rough but i don't even want to imagine stock shocks... ouch....

don't you run a rear rebuild on your bike??

do you feel it was worht it??

[nick23]

it was worth it when i got it....but i rode my buddy's quad that has a regular aftermaket..i was wondering why i have back problems man

[400exBro]

no wonder man... so the aftermarket pep zps make that much of a difference??

o well i will go with the rear rebuild.. i don't have that much money...

are you running 19" lt front??
or 16"

i can't decide between standered travel with +3 arens a arms or arens lt +3 with the pep zps long travel.?

[nick23]

if i hadthe money i would lt...and about the front tires i am running i think 16's

[MOUSE]

I dont hink that i will be wasting money by getting the pep zps i mean they may be the top of the line and i dont race but i love to ride and there what i want. i dont think you have got to be a serious pro to have what the pros use, i know plenty of guys that use axis long travels that dont race pofesionaly thats just the shock they wanted and thats what they got. i dont know what the best shock company is and dont really care i rode a set and like the way they felt plus from what i understand there is not much diff in price from the reg travel so why not. i may be wrong i havent priced any so who knows. i like to ride and play race with the guys at the track a little this is my hobby and its what makes me happy. life is short so im going to live it to the fullest. and living to the fullest cost money :devil

[Dave400ex]

Mouse if you have the money for the setup you listed, go for it. That would be top notch.

I think the rear rebuild would be plenty and yes PEP direct does it...

[BadA$$440]

PEP does a zps rebuild for stock? How much and how good is it?

[Dave400ex]

Yeah they offer a ZPS rebuild for the rear and it's $425 the last I knew. I guess it's really good, but can't really say, but does PEP really make anything bad?

[AFTERMARKET]

PEP Is worth the wait. Hands Down

[YLW400]

they better be worth the wait :ermm:

[AFTERMARKET]

YES :cool:

[QuadTrix6]

they are definately worth the wait.


Also where are all of u getting your info from abt how a full rear zps is 10% - 15% better then a rebuild. I called pep directly and talked to the owner and builder wayne. He said there is no noticible difference between a rebuild and a full rear shock. The only difference is that all parts are replacable on his and not the showa shock(stock).

[yellowex01]

To everyone that ordered from Baldwin. I ordered mine in September of 02. Still havent gotten them...Everytime I call its the same ole thing they will be ready in about 2 weeks....Alaska speed ordered his about the same time and no shocks either.So I think I am coming up on 24 weeks...Just about ready to cancel and go somewhere else.

Originally posted by QuadTrix6
they are definately worth the wait.


Also where are all of u getting your info from abt how a full rear zps is 10% - 15% better then a rebuild. I called pep directly and talked to the owner and builder wayne. He said there is no noticible difference between a rebuild and a full rear shock. The only difference is that all parts are replacable on his and not the showa shock(stock). thats just what baldwin told me. he was just after my money i think.

[YLW400]

Thats exactly what I was told yellowex1..." 2 more weeks" He told me that last week. I am calling back this coming Wednesday, If I hear the same thing, I am cancelling and buying Axis. I really want PEP, but I am not waiting a billion years

[QuadTrix6]

man baldwins service seems horrible. i have heard many horror stories abt getting pep shocks from them. i think he gives a wait like 3-5 weeks earlier then what pep says so he gets more customers where in reality it takes longer

[400exBro]

ya i am noting going throught baldwin tho....
i will be going through my local distrubator.... 1495 canadian for a set of pep zps shocks... elkas run for over 2000 and that is long travel.... but he told me that peps service isn't as good as elkas in the building hte shocks category.. but the quility of the shocks is grade A...

i will probably order them in august so i will have them by spring time...

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by 400exBro
ya i am noting going throught baldwin tho....
i will be going through my local distrubator.... 1495 canadian for a set of pep zps shocks... elkas run for over 2000 and that is long travel.... but he told me that peps service isn't as good as elkas in the building hte shocks category.. but the quility of the shocks is grade A...

i will probably order them in august so i will have them by spring time...


IMO i think PEP has great service, i have been in touch with them for 3 months while i was waiting for my shocks and they answered all my questions and at times i couldn't get wayne off the phone :D , hes a great guy and if you want your shocks done right go through him, he is the only guy building shocks and thats why the wait is so long, but trust me its worth the wait, i never relized how much of a difference suspension can make, its like a whole new quad, but im sure it is like that with any shock company cause there all better than the stocker :eek2:

[400exBro]

alright i will see then...

man i bet he get s a lot of ordres too.. a lot of people run pep for mx, xc, freestyle and tt racing.. i bet 30-45% run pep shocks... (i don t know that number seem high..)

[Dave400ex]

Well from what all these Guys are saying I would be ordering the PEP's through PEP direct. I have heard a lot of guys say Wayne is a jerk, but some of you have had good experiences. Some day PEP and the other companies will have to step it up and make something like Motowoz is or better...

[bongwater200]

Originally posted by QuadTrix6
man baldwins service seems horrible. i have heard many horror stories abt getting pep shocks from them. i think he gives a wait like 3-5 weeks earlier then what pep says so he gets more customers where in reality it takes longer


Baldwin's service.....horrible?!?!?!?!?!?! You must be talking about Alek Baldwin, Maybe Billy Baldwin???

Just had my Ltd. Mass rebuilt by MARK Baldwin...... you know, of Baldwin Motorsports. 3 Days. FIRST RATE SERVICE!!!!!

Maybe if people wouldn't call him every 25 minutes and bug the piss out of him, he'd seem a little less testy when you call. Everyone in this industry has that problem!

[bongwater200]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
Well from what all these Guys are saying I would be ordering the PEP's through PEP direct. I have heard a lot of guys say Wayne is a jerk, but some of you have had good experiences. Some day PEP and the other companies will have to step it up and make something like Motowoz is or better...


I can't believe ANYONE would say that either Wayne or Mark would have to step anything up! I agree that the wait is annoying, but its a supply and demand problem! When you're at the top of your field, that's what happens!

No discredit to Woz, but saying that PEP isn't up to par with them is a pretty ballsy and obsurd statement! Until I see Tim Farr, Doug Gust, Shane Hitt, or anyone else winning MULTIPLE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS on Motowoz shocks, I think I'd have to say that companies like PEP, TCS, and Axis may just have the upper hand.

[yellowex01]

Originally posted by bongwater200
Baldwin's service.....horrible?!?!?!?!?!?! You must be talking about Alek Baldwin, Maybe Billy Baldwin???

Just had my Ltd. Mass rebuilt by MARK Baldwin...... you know, of Baldwin Motorsports. 3 Days. FIRST RATE SERVICE!!!!!

Maybe if people wouldn't call him every 25 minutes and bug the piss out of him, he'd seem a little less testy when you call. Everyone in this industry has that problem!



Well I think if you have been waiting for almost 24 weeks you would have the right to call and *****.. The reason I went with Mark was because I live about 30 minutes from him. Everytime I call which is actually about once every 3 weeks or so I get in 2 weeks they will be ready.. Sure.

[diangelo#67]

these are on my z i'm buildin

[YLW400]

What a-arms are those diangleo?

[diangelo#67]

A buddy of mine made them for me his name is justin haines, there kinda like leagers t-pins but with spherical bearings

[YLW400]

Looks good man!! I just updated my PEP order to long travel! Can't wait!!

[Dave400ex]

Bong that is just my Opinion. I didn't say anything bad about either, but they have had the same ole PEP ZPS for the last how many years now. I am just saying they need to make something new or get some ideas like Motowoz is doing. Plus just because none of the Pro's don't run Motowoz doesn't mean they are not good, they are just new. A lot of Pro's run Laeger, Roll, or Walsh. Does that mean Arens, Houser, and Herrmann or no good because they don't run them? Just my Opinion.....

[diangelo#67]

what do you think this is my first time those are the long travel long body pep zps I dont't know if you knew or not but they have redone the pep shocks

[diangelo#67]

this is a pic of the longer body

[400exBro]

are you talking about the rezzy bottle???

becuase from that pic it looks huge compared to my work shocks!!!!!(fronts):bandit:

i can t wait to place my order this summer.... the ride is going to be awsome...

how long is the wait for the rear pep zps shocks??? same as the front or longer???

[bongwater200]

Originally posted by yellowex01
Well I think if you have been waiting for almost 24 weeks you would have the right to call and *****.. The reason I went with Mark was because I live about 30 minutes from him. Everytime I call which is actually about once every 3 weeks or so I get in 2 weeks they will be ready.. Sure.


So, cancel your order then! It won't make diddly squat difference to Mark.... there's an army of customers waiting behind you with their hands full of cash! I wish you WOULD cancel..... its just one day quicker that I'll get my ZPS!

You obviously ordered PEPs for a reason. The reason it takes so long is that they're probably the most popular shocks on the market, and there's only TWO people who build them and service them to perform to their true potential. Mark and Wayne differ from most shock builders in that they both build YOUR shocks THEMSELVES! There are no $5.35/hr high school students there with a valving sheet trying to put your shocks together. WHen you order PEP shocks from Baldwin, your shocks WERE BUILT by Mark Baldwin himself! The same with Wayne! That's the only way that they can insure that you get the absolute best performance out of them! I know of at least two other shock companies that do not work this way. You never know who actually built your shocks! They could have been trained chimps for all you know!

I've had to send my PEPs to other "shock people" before because of time constraints, and do you know what I got in return?? LACKLUSTER PERFORMANCE. Was it worth it?? Hell naw!

Like I said........ if you don't want to wait, call Elka! They'll even fix your blown seals and valves for free!

[diangelo#67]

Dude I waited 6 months for my shocks and I got ties to dana creech, the wait was well worth it yes those bottles are huge but with shocks like these you'll make room:devil

[yellowex01]

Originally posted by bongwater200
So, cancel your order then! It won't make diddly squat difference to Mark.... there's an army of customers waiting behind you with their hands full of cash! I wish you WOULD cancel..... its just one day quicker that I'll get my ZPS!

You obviously ordered PEPs for a reason. The reason it takes so long is that they're probably the most popular shocks on the market, and there's only TWO people who build them and service them to perform to their true potential. Mark and Wayne differ from most shock builders in that they both build YOUR shocks THEMSELVES! There are no $5.35/hr high school students there with a valving sheet trying to put your shocks together. WHen you order PEP shocks from Baldwin, your shocks WERE BUILT by Mark Baldwin himself! The same with Wayne! That's the only way that they can insure that you get the absolute best performance out of them! I know of at least two other shock companies that do not work this way. You never know who actually built your shocks! They could have been trained chimps for all you know!

I've had to send my PEPs to other "shock people" before because of time constraints, and do you know what I got in return?? LACKLUSTER PERFORMANCE. Was it worth it?? Hell naw!

Like I said........ if you don't want to wait, call Elka! They'll even fix your blown seals and valves for free!


Listen Needlemier, have you ever been to Marks shop? Do you know for 100% that he is the only one that builds them? NO. So before you start running your piehole know the facts. I live close to Mark, last time I was there I was watching a young (maybe 17-19 year old) re-building shocks.. Hmm Bethcha didnt know that did you? So before you start jumping on someone get your facts straight. I have no problem with the wait, but when someone gives you a time frame they need to stick to it not just tell you in 2 more weeks in 2 more weeks... So if you dont have anything constructive to say on the thread, stay out of it.

[bongwater200]

Originally posted by yellowex01
Listen Needlemier, have you ever been to Marks shop? Do you know for 100% that he is the only one that builds them? NO. So before you start running your piehole know the facts. I live close to Mark, last time I was there I was watching a young (maybe 17-19 year old) re-building shocks.. Hmm Bethcha didnt know that did you? So before you start jumping on someone get your facts straight. I have no problem with the wait, but when someone gives you a time frame they need to stick to it not just tell you in 2 more weeks in 2 more weeks... So if you dont have anything constructive to say on the thread, stay out of it.


I am so sorry sir. I'm sure that you know more than myself. Please accept my most sincere apology. I am such an idiot. I will never again insult your superior intellect.



:) ;)

[yellowex01]

Never claimed to know more than you. But when you come on here and start ranting and raving how only Mark builds shocks and you know this for a fact. I have seen first hand other people setting up shocks at his place. He may be there assisting the other person but he is not physically building them.

[AFTERMARKET]

You guys make me cry with your antics. Keep it up I love a good show.

[yellowex01]

Ok Newbie...

[YLW400]

Actually, I am calling Baldwin today to cancel my order.....L/T PEP valved for 185lb rider, MX....with a ZPS rear also.....I have L/T Axis coming by the end of next week .....If any of you guys have the money, you should call him and trry to get on the set I had ordered..:eek2:

The wait on them is a joke period...while you guys are sittin around for 9 months punchin your munchkins on the couch..I'm out riding with the elka's I only waited 1 week for. Yes PEP shocks are top notch and I'd own a pair anyday..but these long of waits are for chit. Mark and Wayne have a huge database of valving info that's been collecting for years and years for every type of racing known to man. Share that info with another respectable shock builder and bring him on your team for faster turnaround...WTF is so hard to understand about that??? Shocks should not take longer than 3 or 4 weeks to make if you have your head out of your arse...:rolleyes:

[YLW400]

Who is punching whos monkey?? I dont want any parts of that mess. You are NOT going to believe this crap.......I called Baldwin, like I said to cancel my PEP order...Noone answered, so I started leaving a message...half way through, he answers the phone and says "J.C.??? (thats my name)..lol I said yea...he said I am looking at your shocks right now. They are right here....Then my face went from this:( , to this :blah :D :cool: :devil ....in that exact order. YOu guys dont know what I have been going through here with shocks and a-arms....They should be here sometime next week!!

[AFTERMARKET]

Do you guys ever stop to think that The guys from PEP take the time out of the busy day read this rambling on?
Just stand back and look at all the R&D that PEP must do to keep up with all the new atvs coming out on the market to keep the Non racers happy?
Honda ATV's are beating dirtbikes sales like you would not belive. And people like Aftermarket parts right?

Look at ALL the Shocks that PEP must build TT, XC, MX. PLAY, UTS, And Dunes. And another reason we must wait is that Wayne is at EVERY Race with his clipbord making sure his shocks are out in front and giving tips and setup info ON SITE! If you do not call that "top notch" you need to go back to school. Mabey the wait is because he travels to the races so much.
Everyone today is so NOW NOW NOW! Including myself.
Just wait and you will have the best money can buy.

[AFTERMARKET]

Originally posted by yellowex01
Ok Newbie...

Thank you.
I love your show!

[Vtr_Racing]

I havent dealt with with any of the other shock builders. I have been working with Wayne from PEP since the mid 80`s. He did our suspension on our ATC 250r that we raced in the Score series and what a difference that made over stock. Always great service from PEP. When I went to quads in 1988 Wayne did my suspension for it as well. I use the Works shocks, not ZPS just the triple rates with a stock PEP rebuild on the rear. I race in the desert though. I have used that setup for years and it works great for what I use it for. I stopped riding for about 7 years and now am rebuilding my 250r and just sent my fronts and rear to PEP. I will ride with that set up, using +1 inch A-Arms with stock length swingarm 1988. I have talked to a few people, including Wayne and I will be saving for a ZPS style front and rear setup, most likely from Doug Roll. For now I will be content with what I have. These new long travel setups are nice. I aint getting any younger and I need a cadillac for racing, lmao. Good suspension makes such a big difference and should be the first investment on you quad. This is a good thread guys, some good info.

Wayne just needs to bring in some croanies to help him is what I'm getting at. What if a plane lands on him next week..then what happens????? The wait goes from months to decades,,, He needs to get more people involved and share his expertise so that he can do a even BETTER job than he's already doing..:D

[Doibugu2]

Originally posted by AFTERMARKET
Do you guys ever stop to think that The guys from PEP take the time out of the busy day read this rambling on?
Just stand back and look at all the R&D that PEP must do to keep up with all the new atvs coming out on the market to keep the Non racers happy?
Honda ATV's are beating dirtbikes sales like you would not belive. And people like Aftermarket parts right?

Look at ALL the Shocks that PEP must build TT, XC, MX. PLAY, UTS, And Dunes. And another reason we must wait is that Wayne is at EVERY Race with his clipbord making sure his shocks are out in front and giving tips and setup info ON SITE! If you do not call that "top notch" you need to go back to school. Mabey the wait is because he travels to the races so much.
Everyone today is so NOW NOW NOW! Including myself.
Just wait and you will have the best money can buy.

That does not make any sense. So any huge manufacture should have only 1 person making all there equipment. So it would take like 35 years before anyone would ever get a bike or quad.

I think what many of the people are saying, is that we are in the 21st Century. We should be able to mass produce or at least semi mass produce everything. Why should it take 6 months to get a set of shocks? Thats plan ridiculos.

Everyone complains that we pay to much for aftermarket products or wait to long for parts or have crappy customer service. Thats are fault. We support these companies. Everytime we say screw it, I'll wait or I'll deal with Joe just because he has it in stock we are only compounding the problem. If we quit supporting these guys they will go out of business or they will have to change the way they do business.

So either quit your whining or stop supporting companies that take 6 months to put some oil in a shock.:grr JMO

:eek:

[Doibugu2]

Rico, thats becuase each one is custom.:rolleyes:

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
That does not make any sense. So any huge manufacture should have only 1 person making all there equipment. So it would take like 35 years before anyone would ever get a bike or quad.

I think what many of the people are saying, is that we are in the 21st Century. We should be able to mass produce or at least semi mass produce everything. Why should it take 6 months to get a set of shocks? Thats plan ridiculos.

Everyone complains that we pay to much for aftermarket products or wait to long for parts or have crappy customer service. Thats are fault. We support these companies. Everytime we say screw it, I'll wait or I'll deal with Joe just because he has it in stock we are only compounding the problem. If we quit supporting these guys they will go out of business or they will have to change the way they do business.

So either quit your whining or stop supporting companies that take 6 months to put some oil in a shock.:grr JMO


you know im kinda sick of reading your whinning posts and your pathetic opinions, start speaking for yourself bro,,,,,,the reason shocks are expansive is BECAUSE THERE NOT MASS PRODUCED but hand built....thats why they are so good because they set them up for you if you wanna ride around on a mass produced shock then keep your stockers...if you don't like the wait then don't buy them but don't go around bashing WAyne from PEP. i don't care about the wait because when i got them they were perfect now sure (INSERT SHOCK COMPANY HERE) wait is short-er but i read too many threads about kids sending them back 2,3,4...times because there not setup right OR THEY BLEW SEALS...so where they worth the week wait now ???? cause that week is now turning into a month - than 2,3 months and son on....and now you gotta keep shipping them out and calling and becomes a huge headache....and some people are riding around on shocks that arn't even setup right but they don't even know it, PEP for example gives you a spec sheet and measurements so that you can dial them in perfect..and if you think that all they do is put oil in a shock then maybe you should sell your quad and get a peddle bike :huh...just my thoughts :macho

Originally posted by QuadTrix6
you know im kinda sick of reading your whinning posts and your pathetic opinions, start speaking for yourself bro,,,,,,the reason shocks are expansive is BECAUSE THERE NOT MASS PRODUCED but hand built....thats why they are so good because they set them up for you if you wanna ride around on a mass produced shock then keep your stockers...if you don't like the wait then don't buy them but don't go around bashing WAyne from PEP. i don't care about the wait because when i got them they were perfect now sure (INSERT SHOCK COMPANY HERE) wait is short-er but i read too many threads about kids sending them back 2,3,4...times because there not setup right OR THEY BLEW SEALS...so where they worth the week wait now ???? cause that week is now turning into a month - than 2,3 months and son on....and now you gotta keep shipping them out and calling and becomes a huge headache....and some people are riding around on shocks that arn't even setup right but they don't even know it, PEP for example gives you a spec sheet and measurements so that you can dial them in perfect..and if you think that all they do is put oil in a shock then maybe you should sell your quad and get a peddle bike :huh...just my thoughts :macho


Tell us how ya really feel and quit holdin back.....:uhoh:

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by Rico
Tell us how ya really feel and quit holdin back.....:uhoh:

:o :D :devil

[Doibugu2]

Quadtrix, lets breakdown what you said.

1) Your sick of my whinning and pathetic opinions but yet you want me to speak for myself. Which one do you want me to do? How can I speak for myself and not give my opinion?

2) Shocks are so expensive because they are hand built. Except none of the components of shocks are hand built. They however are hand assembled. Do you think Wayne for example couldn't train someone to help decrease the wait time? Why should the wait take 6 months?

3) I never once specifically mentioned Wayne or Pep in my orginal response. And I wasn't trying to limit my response to just Pep. I was talking about all companies in general that over charge and mistreat customers.

4) I got my shocks from Elka in under 2 weeks. They also have a spec sheet that is filled out. Not saying they are better, heck I don't even know if mine are setup right, because I have not gotten to ride on them yet. Fingers crossed.

Howmany threads in the past month have delt with shocks? Way too many. I am sick of seeing them. I'm not going to respond to you in this thread again, if you would like to continue this conversation please feel free to PM me.

Doug

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
Quadtrix, lets breakdown what you said.

1) Your sick of my whinning and pathetic opinions but yet you want me to speak for myself. Which one do you want me to do? How can I speak for myself and not give my opinion?

2) Shocks are so expensive because they are hand built. Except none of the components of shocks are hand built. They however are hand assembled. Do you think Wayne for example couldn't train someone to help decrease the wait time? Why should the wait take 6 months?

3) I never once specifically mentioned Wayne or Pep in my orginal response. And I wasn't trying to limit my response to just Pep. I was talking about all companies in general that over charge and mistreat customers.

4) I got my shocks from Elka in under 2 weeks. They also have a spec sheet that is filled out. Not saying they are better, heck I don't even know if mine are setup right, because I have not gotten to ride on them yet. Fingers crossed.

Howmany threads in the past month have delt with shocks? Way too many. I am sick of seeing them. I'm not going to respond to you in this thread again, if you would like to continue this conversation please feel free to PM me.

Doug



:rolleyes: LMAO

[Doibugu2]

Originally posted by QuadTrix6
:rolleyes: LMAO

I saw you responded, and then the site went down. I was starting to look like this:mad: but now I'm like this:D

[AFTERMARKET]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
That does not make any sense. So any huge manufacture should have only 1 person making all there equipment. So it would take like 35 years before anyone would ever get a bike or quad.

I think what many of the people are saying, is that we are in the 21st Century. We should be able to mass produce or at least semi mass produce everything. Why should it take 6 months to get a set of shocks? Thats plan ridiculos.

Everyone complains that we pay to much for aftermarket products or wait to long for parts or have crappy customer service. Thats are fault. We support these companies. Everytime we say screw it, I'll wait or I'll deal with Joe just because he has it in stock we are only compounding the problem. If we quit supporting these guys they will go out of business or they will have to change the way they do business.

So either quit your whining or stop supporting companies that take 6 months to put some oil in a shock.:grr JMO


If you only knew :scary: :scary: :grr :grr

Originally posted by AFTERMARKET
If you only knew :scary: :scary: :grr :grr

New what??? Educate us please..cus i dont' see how Ford can build 300 trucks in the same time it takes to build 2 ATV shocks...

I'm not tryin to be a a-hole either aftermarket I'm tryin to learn something here...;)

[AFTERMARKET]

Originally posted by diangelo#67
this is a pic of the longer body

Thoes are nice but You can only get 8 clicks of AJD out of them and with the smaller older style rezis I can get 26 clicks of adj. out of them

BTW Nice looking set up

[400exBro]

does tcs use the same stuff as pep??

a lot of people like tcs becuase of the short wait and they are designed well and work well too...

they are 5/8 shaft with comp adjust right??

[RiPPiNiTuP7]

Originally posted by 400exBro
does tcs use the same stuff as pep??

a lot of people like tcs becuase of the short wait and they are designed well and work well too...

they are 5/8 shaft with comp adjust right??

http://www.racingquads.com/ShocksTCS.html

[400exBro]

they dont have a zps spring like the peps do they ???

are there anymore links where i can get info?? and people who have them.. and test them on my tracks?? pounding them throught the whoops etc..???

i will either decide on peps zps shocks or tcs race seris..??

TCS have a thing like SSD and ZPS. Its called SCS (Sag Control System) so it does sag. How much? i dunno

also the website says adjustable ride height and zero preload

[AFTERMARKET]

Can any of you tell me that you have seen someone from a ATV shock company out at the races dialing in there products other then PEP?
:cool: :D :) :macho :blah

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

Its all starting to look so familiar. :D

I tried really tried to only watch from the sidelines but I just cant resist.




Can any of you tell me that you have seen someone from a ATV shock company out at the races dialing in there products other then PEP? On a pro level sponsored level yes I have and I have not been into this all that long. Have I seen any shock mfg dialing in the average riders schocks? well no I have not seen that.


New what??? Educate us please..cus i dont' see how Ford can build 300 trucks in the same time it takes to build 2 ATV shocks... Since I dont work for any of the major aftermarket shock companies I dont know the answer to this one Rico but I have asked myself this also. All I can think of is poor planning and production, and possibly combined with a fair amount of micro managing. Good question and I hope to see an answer to it thats believable.


2) Shocks are so expensive because they are hand built. Except none of the components of shocks are hand built. They however are hand assembled. Do you think Wayne for example couldn't train someone to help decrease the wait time? Why should the wait take 6 months? Trained monkeys making peps? Bet you wouldnt notice the difference if they were sprung and valved correctly. :)


you know im kinda sick of reading your whinning posts and your pathetic opinions, start speaking for yourself bro,,,,,,the reason shocks are expansive is BECAUSE THERE NOT MASS PRODUCED but hand built....thats why they are so good because they set them up for you if you wanna ride around on a mass produced shock then keep your stockers...if you don't like the wait then don't buy them but don't go around bashing WAyne from PEP. i don't care about the wait because when i got them they were perfect now sure (INSERT SHOCK COMPANY HERE) wait is short-er but i read too many threads about kids sending them back 2,3,4...times because there not setup right OR THEY BLEW SEALS...so where they worth the week wait now ???? Whew thats an ear full LMAO. C'mon John you having an affair with wayne or something :rolleyes: Lets all agree on one thing, the wait for some shocks is absolutely rediculous period. I had considered most of the major brands b4 making a decision and the first process to that decision was I would not wait 4-6 months for nothing short of premature birth. Its just too long period, and I am sure if PEP put their minds to it they could reduce the wait but seem to be content with the business and making us wait an unacceptably long time for delivery so they can contnue with what ever production process they currently have. I am sure that Axis and Elka etc enjoy this business practice.


Everyone complains that we pay to much for aftermarket products or wait to long for parts or have crappy customer service. Thats are fault. We support these companies. Everytime we say screw it, I'll wait or I'll deal with Joe just because he has it in stock we are only compounding the problem. If we quit supporting these guys they will go out of business or they will have to change the way they do business. Very well said, but am I the only one hearing you? :) I have done some importing from Europe and they had become very accustomed to the long lead times like were talking about now, but have since changed their ways big time to be able to compete in the "instant satisfaction" market we have here in the US. I just find it very odd that anyone is getting away with this.

The one thing most recreational and amature class riders dont realize is that they are put through all this BS waiting cause there is some very special attention being paid to a handfull of sponsored pro riders, you know the ones getting there whole set up dialed in on race day :rolleyes: :devil



So, cancel your order then! It won't make diddly squat difference to Mark.... there's an army of customers waiting behind you with their hands full of cash! I wish you WOULD cancel..... its just one day quicker that I'll get my ZPS! Even at the crazy prices that any aftermarket shocks go for I doubt any company would survive producing one set per day, so you would see your stuff what maybe 1 or 2 hours sooner? :confused2


You obviously ordered PEPs for a reason. The reason it takes so long is that they're probably the most popular shocks on the market, and there's only TWO people who build them and service them to perform to their true potential. Mark and Wayne differ from most shock builders in that they both build YOUR shocks THEMSELVES! There are no $5.35/hr high school students there with a valving sheet trying to put your shocks together. WHen you order PEP shocks from Baldwin, your shocks WERE BUILT by Mark Baldwin himself! The same with Wayne! That's the only way that they can insure that you get the absolute best performance out of them! I know of at least two other shock companies that do not work this way. You never know who actually built your shocks! They could have been trained chimps for all you know! That just simply doesnt justify the wait, and I am now thinking if what you say is correct PEP has some real problems with micro managing and needs to make some prod updates to remain a front runner in the "non pro" sales arena. Many of the mass production processes produce a equal or superior product (e. CNC automated milling etc) and I doubt that any company is hand assembling muchbeyond the valving, sealing and springs. I am also not buying into one or two people only being able to do this. If I am wrong I am even more concerned about these products and their future.


Wayne just needs to bring in some croanies to help him is what I'm getting at. What if a plane lands on him next week..then what happens????? The wait goes from months to decades,,, He needs to get more people involved and share his expertise so that he can do a even BETTER job than he's already doing.. Holy $&#@ am I agreeing with Rico :eek: :D


Guys just like has been said in almost everyother one of these threads most of the better name brand shocks are high on quality and if set up properly (and I dont just mean the initial valving and spring rate) will work excelent and last a reasonable amount of time before any rebuilding is needed. I would rather be on a set of what you all think to be lower end shocks that are set up and dialed in correctly than a set of more expensive ones that just have better this or that.

If you take your shocks out of the box and install them and think there the best thing ever you either got very lucky or dont necessarally know how they are supposed to ride. I am no pro suspension guru but I have seen people who loved their suspension settings on a new CR YZ etc and never touched them and others were spending serious cash changing this and that and getting it all "dialed in" cause they could tell the diff.

BTW I happen to like or would be happy to use every brand your talking about cause I had done some research and there all well made products. So bicker all you like and have fun, cause I know I am reading it.

Originally posted by AFTERMARKET
Can any of you tell me that you have seen someone from a ATV shock company out at the races dialing in there products other then PEP?
:cool: :D :) :macho :blah

Marty and Jeff from the quadshop will help anyone with their Elka's that they purchased from them at the races they attend...:)

[Vtr_Racing]

Everybody has valid points. Waiting for stuff that you pay allot of money for is frustrating. The general public is very spoiled when it comes to patience. "Instant gratification" is expected in our society. I dont know about the other MFR`s. So I cant comment on their service. I did just get off the phone with PEP about my stuff. Its perfectly fine if he takes his time, I am in no hurry. I have until June before I need them. PEP did say they were extremly busy. Everybody getting their stuff ready for the upcoming season. I do know from that like most motorsports, everybody sends in all their stuff around the same time. Right before the upcoming season. Which can create a backlog. I am not making excuses for slow service but this may be what people are encountering when getting new parts for their race bikes. In my case, my shocks were toast. The fronts needed new shafts and the rear needed a total overhaul, new seals and valves, spring, the body needed anodizing. It should be kick a*** when finished. Its pretty expensive though, but I know and trust the work done at PEP. Its not the "trick setup" like some of you guys are running but it works for what I need. A little patience will go a long way and I guess a good suggestion would be send your stuff in to be done as soon as you can before the new season. I am sure some of the other suspension tuners have the same problems. Lets hear about some of the other companies. I am curious. This will help allot of other people shopping around for suspension products make up their mind......Good luck to everyone in the new season...

[Dave400ex]

I agree with Rico on the waiting...

440EX4me hit the nail on the head. He pretty much hit every point.

Also Vtr_Racing it's nice to have you on the site. You seem to know what your talking about.

[yellowex01]

VTR. I dont mind waiting and I expected it, but I sent my shocks to Mark in September of last year.. And when you are told 6-8 weeks that is what you base your wait on. So if it takes a couple of weeks to long thats ok, but 6-8 months is a little bit much. Especially When every time you call they keep telling you in 2 more weeks for sure..

[400exBro]

ya i agree but i rather wait a extra 5 weeks to make sure my stuff is tune to perfect so i can bolt them on and then adjust the comp at the track and i am ready to ride for a season without having them sent back...

but does anyone know how the tcs race seris, long travel compare to the pep zps long travel shocks???

Originally posted by 400exBro
ya i agree but i rather wait a extra 5 weeks to make sure my stuff is tune to perfect so i can bolt them on and then adjust the comp at the track and i am ready to ride for a season without having them sent back...

but does anyone know how the tcs race seris, long travel compare to the pep zps long travel shocks???

WTF..my Elka's were built perfect for me when I mounted them..:confused:

[400exBro]

true...

have you riden them on a mx track yet ?? how did you like them??


also rico did you buy them before the price hike ?? now i am pissed since the price went up so i decide to go else were... sure i should support the canadian economy but damn i don t want to spend over 2000 for a set of elite lt shocks and have them sent back every month or 2 becuase they are wrong...

i will trust wayne or whoever build tcs shocks.. they have been in the game for a while now...:eek2: :bandit:

just my .02...

heck my works are still going strong... i might just get them revalved for a while becuse i need a rear shocks sssssssssoooooooooo bad mine always seems to skip, bounce around in the whoops instead of absorbing it... any suggestion on how to fix that... is my rebound to slow ???

thanks

[yellowex01]

My peps are finally ready to pick up..............

I had elkas before and I never had a problem with them. I bought them from C&D before they were the site sponsor, and they were set up near perfect.. Of course I had to dial them in, but never had a problem with them..

[Vtr_Racing]

I agree yellow......The comments were not directed at anybody in particular, just society in general. Wayne just called me again this afternoon and my shocks are done and being shipped. Was quizzing him about a new long travel ZPS setup. He said with those type of setups he prefers to have the bike with the arms and swing arm to set up the shocks. It can be done without it but he prefers to have the bike there. Time to start working allot of overtime! I tried to buy my friends Doug Roll Designs suspension front arms and swingarm. Its the older style design with the notched ball joints, not the heim set up that he has now. He didnt want to part with it. I would have been perfectly happy with that and sold my setup that I have now.

[forum]

bro. no offense but your not good enough to notice small differences like that. unless they totaly screw up wich they rarely do. there are alot of pro riders running elka's. again sorry im not saying your not good. you are. Its just that you gotta be realy! good to notice little inperfections. and pep's need setting up to!. I bet I wouldn't notice either. I qaurntee if you got elka's' you'd be happy wit them. Im not saying they are better then pep's. In fact im prolly getting my works setup by pep just to give em a try. cause my works need rebuilding anyway. again, No offense becaue you are good!

[Dave400ex]

Vtr_Racing when did you send your shocks to Wayne?

[Vtr_Racing]

I sent them on Feb 3 and he got them around the 10th via Fedex ground.

[Dave400ex]

Well that goes to show having contacts with those guys is good...

[400exBro]

Originally posted by forum
bro. no offense but your not good enough to notice small differences like that. unless they totaly screw up wich they rarely do. there are alot of pro riders running elka's. again sorry im not saying your not good. you are. Its just that you gotta be realy! good to notice little inperfections. and pep's need setting up to!. I bet I wouldn't notice either. I qaurntee if you got elka's' you'd be happy wit them. Im not saying they are better then pep's. In fact im prolly getting my works setup by pep just to give em a try. cause my works need rebuilding anyway. again, No offense becaue you are good!


forum i toatly agree with you there but the elkas cost more then the pep zps now... i talked to guy at splash n dirt he said 1495 for a front set and same for the rear... elka elites lt shocks are going for near 2 000 canadian.. sure the wait anit as long as the peps but i rather spend the money on a set of shocks that are built well and i don't always have to send them back.. you get my diffret... 2 grand is way to much... the diff between the peps and elkas are almost 500 bucks and that is good for some tires, a arms, engine mods....

but ya that got me thinking about the tcs race seris shocks... for 800 americain i can get some lt tcs race seris shocks with zero perload and the wiat and turn around time is awsome... i bet tcs right now is the best bang for the buck........
anyone think that too.. tcs is almost the way to go... i am not crazy like nick man 80 feet is huge.. the furthes i have jump was 60 feet on a table top and maybe 10+ feet up in the air (forum that is the track i was talking about that is near my house and is awsome for some saturday practice before a race)...
so i am thinking tcs or the peps zps are what i am considering on buying...
BTW forum are you florida right now ?? if so, damn we got a huge snow strom here...

lata

pep tripple rate

pep ZPS

[400exBro]

the first ones are limited mass or are they race shocks??

[James70214]

the 1st ones are the race ones

[trx400ex]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
Well that goes to show having contacts with those guys is good... i got a set of PEPs rebuilt by mark baldwin awhile back, anyway it was only a one week wait. and i dont have any connections with mark..also it was a 300$ rebuild, new everything, so it had to of taken him awhile:confused:

[Dave400ex]

Heck I thought the wait to have them rebuilt would be long too...