Cannondale Moto 440 quad pictures

[Codys 2004 MX_YFZ450]

Hey everyone, I am looking for pictures of Cannondale Moto 440 quads. Can anyone please help me out...?

[cannondale27]

Here is some:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021205014013/www.cannondale.com/motorsports/quad/moto440_model.html

[Codys 2004 MX_YFZ450]

Sweet, does anyone got anymore pictures of the Cannondale Moto 440 quads? Please let me know

[SlOoT]

My Moto when I just got it. It was only ridden on the street a bit, that's why the tires are worn.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3091/20122008299gz5.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6946/20122008300ay1.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2391/20122008302hx7.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/376/20122008306jp9.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4163/20122008307hn0.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1470/20122008310jc0.jpg

[rollie]

ohhh the things i would do for a moto, lol

[witech]

Originally posted by rollie
ohhh the things i would do for a moto, lol
Funny thing is as ridiculously awsome and expensive as moto's were to build they can be had nowadays for just a couple grand.
My first moto I paid $4500 for and it came with a cannible quad thrown in. Last year I picked my wife up a moto for less than $2000 witha truckload of spare parts.

[witech]

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[witech]

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[USAMoto00]

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[cannondale27]

USA you and your wife had some of best,classiest actually raced Cannondales out there.Hope you all are still in the sport.Keep in touch.

[SlOoT]

My Moto a few years later, check first page for pics when I first got it. And yes that atv in the back is a new Blaze :P

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/246/11102010227.jpg

[Brown450R]

OK, that is officially the coolest looking cannondale ever. You made my day!

[89trx250r]

dude usamoto wtf is that a cannondale in 250r plastics or that a hybrid frame of some sort??

[jesshamner]

Originally posted by 89trx250r
dude usamoto wtf is that a cannondale in 250r plastics or that a hybrid frame of some sort??

Walsh made a 250r plastic conversion kit that included a subframe and a smaller tank. It lowered the seat something like 4 inches.

[89trx250r]

god it looks so freakin good haha i wonder if theres more pics of it

[USAMoto00]

I have a ton of pics. It was my baby a few years back. It had everything that Walsh made for it, it was very light and very torquey.

[USAMoto00]

another

[2000ex]

Walsh 250r cannondale + TIMBO 495 motor = :)

[USAMoto00]

I would have probably kept it if ATK would have come thru with some support. We started having a bunch of flywheel issues though. Michelle was actually worse than me with spinning them. The last straw was at Southfork during the WPSA series, she had about a third of a track lead when it just popped. She was not happy because that finish cost her the overall at that race.

[USAMoto00]

another

[89trx250r]

haha i still cant get over how good it looks with 250r plastic on it i would love to throw a leg over that thing for a few laps my friend used to have a moto but he sold it before i ever got to ride it :(

[jesshamner]

It looks like you are in PA. You should come and check them out at our annual group ride at Majestic. This past year we had over 30 Cannondales there and at least a couple of them had the 250r kit. One had a 400ex kit. Watch the Cannondaleriders . com website in August to find out about our September group ride.

[89trx250r]

yeah dude im gonna have to look into that for sure for next riding season i feel like id be an outcast tho with my 250r hahah :)

[jesshamner]

It's no big deal. I bring a couple friends that have a 400ex and a 450r. This past year my group rode with Angela Moore's dad on his 250r. Another guy in our group rides a kfx. Oh and don't forget to try the drag races.

[cannondale27]

Jess now your being sneaky.Real reason he wants others to come to drags is so the Cannondales can do some whipping:D Just kidding.Its all fun and I enjoy riding with anyone no matter what they ride.

[KingpinsEx]

I still feel like the stock motos were the sickest looking quads out there with the headlight deletes. If only they had stayed in business I would be riding one! Its strange how they failed, but had more success than many of the new manufactures like Can AM and Kawi. Just simply before their time I guess, but alot is owed to them...

[USAMoto00]

They were unique.

[89trx250r]

kingpinsex i have to disagree man can-am is killing is chad weinen and john natalie went 3rd and 4th in ama pro motocross this season the bikes take a little to dial in but ive heard nothing but good things about them the kawis on the other hand not so much... theres a reason like noone rides them

[2000ex]

He said Can-Am and Kawi were new manufacturers which is obviously not the case. They have been building ATV's for years and years and have a MASSIVE amount of experience building chassis and engines for all sorts of motorsports. I think he meant they are new to the 450 racing scene.

Cannondale on the other end of the spectrum had exactly ZERO, NADA, ZILTCH experience in building either of these things. They only thing they were known for was their amazing ability to fabricate and weld aluminum and make bicycles. These bikes were WAY ahead of their time and arguably still are. They were oh so close to getting these machines right before they pulled the plug. We can only wonder how far ahead of the pack they would be today if their quality control and R&D were just a little better.

[KingpinsEx]

Originally posted by 89trx250r
kingpinsex i have to disagree man can-am is killing is chad weinen and john natalie went 3rd and 4th in ama pro motocross this season the bikes take a little to dial in but ive heard nothing but good things about them the kawis on the other hand not so much... theres a reason like noone rides them


Yes Can Am is FINALLY doing decent after how many years? They still have more DNF's than any other brand out there and that is with factory mechanics. When I am talking about Cannondales success, I mean look at how many racers were running them when they came out. They were definately selling units and did not have to pay riders to use them. I can remeber seeing over half the pro mx field running cannondales at one point, that was awesome. You just don't see riders choosing to use Can AM or Kawi without serious backing.

And yes 2000ex I meant new as in Kawi/Can Am 450 design. They are basically the same thing that Cannondale came out with years ago. And while Cannondale had its bugs, I feel they were pretty close to having everything worked out when they pulled the plug. Sad to see all that time and money developing a machine with so much potiental to just give up...

[RATPACK Z400]

I thought it was an awesome machine ,but I think vibration was the issue it had and not enuff r&d on it .you look at can-am ,kawi there quads DNF so much on the track and IMO it has to do with vibration on the motor in an alumiun frame I think it could be solved but there needs to be something that dampens the vibration IMO could be wrong but seems so strange how all the quads with alumiun frames do so poorly and DNF alot just my two cent .I was looking to buy one in 2002 but got Z400 instead and glad i did (cause cannodale folded).

[jesshamner]

Actually the good folks over at Cannondaleriders.com and Cannondaler.com have figure out the weakness. It was QC on the cranks and bearings. A balanced crank and Z400 needle crank bearing has made the cannondales just as reliable as a 400ex. Some other weaknesses were magnesium head/valve covers which Cannondale knew about. Aluminum covers have been made to remedy this problem. The factory knew that the aluminum coolant impellar was sufficient but chose to cheap out and use plastic. Crank plate bolts weren't fastened and loctited on all machines which caused motors to lock up. That's a simple fix. The only weakness that we haven't figured out is the flywheel spinning issue. Once that is figured out...10 years later, the Cannondale could have been the most reliable high performance sport quad known to man.

[Brad77]

Even the flywheel issue doesn't affect every unit. I have been riding Cannondales since 2002 and have never spun a flywheel.

[jesshamner]

No but its one of the issues that we don't have an answer for. We don't know what causes it and we can't pick out a good or bad flywheel unless it has let go already. Its the next biggest weak link on these machines.

BTW, how have you been? We missed you at the group ride.

[RATPACK Z400]

I look at the motor being the source of the vibration and the frame is the tunning fork affect ,so if anything bolts to frame you basicly bolting it to a tunning fork so there needs to be some kind of damping between frame and motor to absoberb vibration even electricial componants that are bolted to frame need damping(rubber between to stop accesive vibration the flywheel has woodrow key to hold it from spinning?if it does the vibration there will weaken key and give it more play causing it to shear.IMO these are some thing you guys could look at and maybe stop these problems just chiming in with my thoughts on the quad .That moto 440 is got to be the best looking quad ive seen.I sure wish Cannodale didn,t go under wanted one till I heard the news back in the day.

[witech]

The vibrations rumor is a myth disproved years ago. There were a few 03 cranks that had a slight amount of vibration due to the lack of finish machining the last year but for the most part Cannondale engines are pretty smooth compared to shakers like yfz's. Bolts falling out and loosening up were from untrained workers not using locktite properly .

[89trx250r]

ratpack you seem to being going post to post posting the most retarted comments you can think of i dont understand are you a troll or just that dumb stick to your z400 and stick to the z400 forums imo

[jesshamner]

Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
I look at the motor being the source of the vibration and the frame is the tunning fork affect ,so if anything bolts to frame you basicly bolting it to a tunning fork so there needs to be some kind of damping between frame and motor to absoberb vibration even electricial componants that are bolted to frame need damping(rubber between to stop accesive vibration the flywheel has woodrow key to hold it from spinning?if it does the vibration there will weaken key and give it more play causing it to shear.IMO these are some thing you guys could look at and maybe stop these problems just chiming in with my thoughts on the quad .That moto 440 is got to be the best looking quad ive seen.I sure wish Cannodale didn,t go under wanted one till I heard the news back in the day.

The only vibration issue I can think of that would be caused from the alum frame is the front engine mount and that was a factory update. So it was addressed before they went out of business.

Yes, these aluminum frames are very stiff and have no flex like a chromoly or steel frame would have.

About the flywheels. The woodruff key isn't the problem. If the flywheel nut is torqued to spec, the woodruff key will never fail on its own. If there was excessive vibration from the motor, the problem would be something else like you mentioned. But again, the woodruff key isn't the spinning problem that I was referring to. The problem is this: The flywheel is composed of 3 parts. The centermost part of the flywheel is brass, IIRC. It is the part that has the key way milled in. The middle part is aluminum. And then there are the magnets that are on the outside to provide timing for the crank position sensor. Our problem is that the brass insert is slipping inside the outer aluminum flywheel and causing it to be out of time. Its not like they're exploding and destroying cases. However, sometimes an unbalanced crank would have so much play that it would destroy the stator. They will just spin and you can pretty much say good bye to your chance of finishing the race. There have been a couple theories that have been disproven thus far. One suggested fix was to drill and pin the flywheel in 1, 2, or 3 places at the seam between the brass and the aluminum. We thought there would be no way it could spin. But it didn't work. A member from Europe who had an impressive fabricating background painstakingly developed a new style flywheel but from I have read, it didn't work out too well either.

If anyone would like to try to help us out that would be great. I might have an old spun flywheel lying around if you would like to see one. I also keep a spare for those desperate times.

Witech, do you know if anyone else has been working on some new ideas?

[jesshamner]

Originally posted by 89trx250r
ratpack you seem to being going post to post posting the most retarted comments you can think of i dont understand are you a troll or just that dumb stick to your z400 and stick to the z400 forums imo

Dude, just let it go. I don't want to get this thread locked.

[Brad77]

Originally posted by jesshamner


BTW, how have you been? We missed you at the group ride.

Yeah I hated to miss the group ride. Although money is the main reason I didn't head up this time.

[jesshamner]

Understood. I know what that is like. Hopefully next year.

[RATPACK Z400]

Im being a troll ,just chiming in on thoughts i have about the quad and alumion frames its just my theory on them(wanted to hear other peoples theorys on it). you dont need to call people out for there views.I just think its weird that alot of the alumiun frame quads being manufactured are having so many issues on the track with DNF,s compared to the steel frame quads and gave my theory on it .thats not being a troll your the troll with your 250r BS!

[RATPACK Z400]

When ATK took over is it the same basic design or did they change motor/frame and other componants? the quad was diffently looking to be THE quad to have in its day.Its just a same Cannodale folded on it!Was on ATK,s site and all it said was they run Falcon cranks and new fuel injection .But looks to be same quad plastics/frame /motor.

[jesshamner]

ATK claimed that it was fully updated and improved upon but I think evidence has shown that they didn't make any improvements over the Cannondale design. The only thing they did was offer custom bolt ons like suspension set ups and such.

ATK barely sold any models. I doubt they ever sold more than 50 units. They bought all of the leftover cannondale parts from the factory and a few built machines. They were basically assembling parts whenever there was a demand for machines. At one point they were buying used machines and going through them and then selling them as new.

I'm not going to bash on ATK too much but I will say this...they weren't the savior that some of us were hoping for.

[RATPACK Z400]

it looked there at first they were going to kick it in gear and start reproducing them they had this motor at trade show (light-weight V-twin 450)that they were showing off would have been sweet to see that go in that chassie!I wonder if they only build custom quad for customers now.ATK is american?I hope one day I run across a cannadale on trails and I finally get to ride one,ben wanting to ride one for yrs !

[Codys 2004 MX_YFZ450]

Originally posted by SlOoT
My Moto when I just got it. It was only ridden on the street a bit, that's why the tires are worn.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3091/20122008299gz5.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6946/20122008300ay1.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2391/20122008302hx7.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/376/20122008306jp9.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4163/20122008307hn0.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1470/20122008310jc0.jpg

Really love these pics.

[KingpinsEx]

Sickest production quad ever built right there! :macho

[represent618]

I agree with the above statement, first time I rode one of those, about 7 years ago, I felt like I was riding some kind of UFO, thing was incredible and was light years ahead of the competition.

I sold mine but wish I would have kept it and just horded up all the parts I could get.

[joep1219]

this was our first prototype design. the new updated version will be finished soon!