if honda made it, this might be it

[DEERCHOOPER]

well i made something for the 250r yesterday.

im not going to give any info on it yet. but will post some pictures and see if you can figure it out.

im going to have it pc'ed than ill show you what it looks like on the quad.

till then, what is it?

pics are random.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/trx250rr001.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/trx250rr004.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/trx250rr006.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/trx250rr005.jpg

[TLR-Online]

The bigger part kinda looks like a 86 headlight bracket, but one side is longer than the other.

Nice work on the parts!

[bigE28]

dude i live 45 minutes from you, we will need to get together and ride this summer. e-mail me sometime and lets meet up!!!

[pimpt250r]

looks like a chain and or sprocket guard,in any event the welds look good:cool:

[250rPRIDE]

humm whatever it is it looks very well made.. ha good work

[Honda 250r 001]

dammit man! your driving me nuts! tell us what it is! haha

[DEERCHOOPER]

not even close guys.

thanks for the comments.

will do bige

well its coated, installed and looks great. i wish i took a pic of it coated by itself.

ive been hinting around to get a powder coat machine, so i did, lol. i also picked up a used oven to cure it.

ill give it a couple of days to see if someone comes close

[bigE28]

i am with pimpt250r i think it is a chain guard.

[Honda 250r 001]

its got to be a guard for something! Or maybe a bracked for gncc lights?

[pimpt250r]

Originally posted by DEERCHOOPER
not even close guys.

thanks for the comments.

will do bige

well its coated, installed and looks great. i wish i took a pic of it coated by itself.

ive been hinting around to get a powder coat machine, so i did, lol. i also picked up a used oven to cure it.

ill give it a couple of days to see if someone comes close

if your gonna do your own coating make sure you take the steps and have proper pretreatment! its a waste of powder otherwise

and sandblasting isnt pretreatment LOL

[bloodswet&gears]

the big one bolts to the swing arm pivot bolt and the front of the rear skidplate. the other one protects the tie rod ends. am i right.
JUST TELL US

[pdxbigfoot]

Well after staring at 2 complete bikes and a 87 frame I'm fairly certain the bigger piece is a engine/frame rail improved skid plate. Mount to the stock locations and replace the flimsy plastic/alum plate????
The smaller piece has me stumped. I notice that it has a threaded back to it. After looking and looking it can only mount to a few locations.
A)the top headstay, petcock area
B) the front engine mounts

You got to let us know soon so I don't obsess over it and loose sleep.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by pimpt250r
if your gonna do your own coating make sure you take the steps and have proper pretreatment! its a waste of powder otherwise

and sandblasting isnt pretreatment LOL

please do tell.

still not in the ball park with the guesses

[Honda 250r 001]

Originally posted by DEERCHOOPER
please do tell.

still not in the ball park with the guesses

are you serious?!?!? is it a guard for something? where does it go on the quad?

[Honda 250r 001]

Originally posted by DEERCHOOPER
please do tell.

still not in the ball park with the guesses

are you serious?!?!? is it a guard for something? where does it go on the quad?

[Velvet-Casket]

That is totally a set of custom heel guard(s).... I think the angled peice with 2 bolt holes in the plate has to bolt on the master cylinder mount for the rear brakes. If i had to guess it is for the right side where the master cylinder is. I have to be right.... Why would he make headstay brackets? I think heelguards have a big demand, or more than the top motor mount lol. http://i39.tinypic.com/1zb9xky.jpg

[extremetrucker]

does it have anything to do with the airbox, and/or radiator?

[pdxbigfoot]

I wasn't saying that it is a headstay. I was saying it might bolt to that area.
I'm second guessing the scale of these. Looking at the floor in the background I think they are a lot smaller than they appear.
Time for another smoke in the shop.
Creak, creak, creak. (The sound of my wheels turning)

[bloodswet&gears]

the little one is a pipe bracket.

[DEERCHOOPER]

someone was close

[K-Dub]

I agree with VC. Its a heel guard and the other piece is part of its mounting and a fender support.

[DEERCHOOPER]

heres a hint.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/tr005.jpg

[oldernslower]

oil cooler mount?

[oldernslower]

radiator mount is what i meant

[kev440]

fan mount !?

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by kev440
fan mount !?

winner winner winner whoop whoop winner winner, lol.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/tr001.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/tr004.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/tr007.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/tr008.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/tr009.jpg

[pdxbigfoot]

So is the bigger piece a different rop radiator mount?
I ended up using a stock silencer mount to bolt my front brake line splitter. Like this...

[250Renvy]

What type of fan is that?

Now you're in for it, people are going to want you to make a ton of them.

[pdxbigfoot]

How is it powered? Great job by the way.

[Honda 250r 001]

Originally posted by pdxbigfoot
So is the bigger piece a different rop radiator mount?
I ended up using a stock silencer mount to bolt my front brake line splitter. Like this...

Nice man! I never even thought of that! Now when i get home tonight i know what im doin! Thanks!

ooh and by the way man. Frecking sick job on the mounts!!!

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by 250Renvy
What type of fan is that?

Now you're in for it, people are going to want you to make a ton of them.


450r fan.

thats what i want, i want to make these


bigfoot, you use the oem rad mounts and this just bolts up with them.


i will have another part made by the middle of this week and ppl will want these more than this.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by pdxbigfoot
How is it powered? Great job by the way.


? i blasted it, powered it and cooked it.

i dont have any of that stuff yet and couldnt wait.

[pdxbigfoot]

How do you wire it? Will it work with a CR ignition? Do you have a wiring diagram? What do you want for them?

[TLR-Online]

Do you have to have an upgraded stator? Will you use a flip switch to turn it on/off?

[pdxbigfoot]

Powered not powdered

[DEERCHOOPER]

got 2 options here for the wiring.


1 and most inportant. it needs to have some type of lighting system.

i plan on using the light sercuit. i will either let it run full time or, i will drill and tap a temp sensor into the rear esr hose barb and put in a 450r temp sending unit to kick it on when it gets hot.


still working on a price. i could sell it as a complete set or just the brackets.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by pdxbigfoot
Powered not powdered


lmfao, oops.

look above for the answer

[TLR-Online]

Also..

It looks like this will not work with intake tubes?

Will the lower bracket work with a stock pipe?

[pdxbigfoot]

A 450R fan and try to figure a way to power it via battery pack.
Count me in for a set when your ready. Black please.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by TLR-Online
Also..

It looks like this will not work with intake tubes?

Will the lower bracket work with a stock pipe?

didnt know ppl ran them still

i had the esr head pipe on and it had tons of room.

[LONG-ROD]

so how will this work ? when your riding your quad and it gets hot it will kick on. would that fan pull more air through it then is already going through ?

[DEERCHOOPER]

the way i see it is. most modded and or smaller bore motors ran fine with just the radiator without heat issues.

if your going all out, heat will be a killer on some machines. once your all out, most ppl dont have the stock exhaust and or intake tubes on. so i didnt design it to work with these and i dont have them here for it anyways.

not being a smarty pants.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by LONG-ROD
so how will this work ? when your riding your quad and it gets hot it will kick on. would that fan pull more air through it then is already going through ?

if i use the 450r sensor then yes it will kick on. even when running at speeds.

[TLR-Online]

Originally posted by DEERCHOOPER
the way i see it is. most modded and or smaller bore motors ran fine with just the radiator without heat issues.

if your going all out, heat will be a killer on some machines. once your all out, most ppl dont have the stock exhaust and or intake tubes on. so i didnt design it to work with these and i dont have them here for it anyways.

not being a smarty pants.

Agreed, you may just want to list that this kit will not work with those parts to cover your butt :D

[DEERCHOOPER]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/trx001.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/deerchooper/trx002.jpg

[LONG-ROD]

so you said it could be made to run at speeds. water will not flow trough the cooling system at idle. so how will a fan help keep the motor cool. it is a well built piece.

[Rich250RRacer]

Terry, I don't see anything stopping the use of a stock pipe, but on an aftermarket chassis, the lower bracket may not mount up. I know it won't on my Lonestar.

[skyeryder]

most built 450s take the thermostat out and wire the fan to run all the time, something to think about

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by LONG-ROD
so you said it could be made to run at speeds. water will not flow trough the cooling system at idle. so how will a fan help keep the motor cool. it is a well built piece.

how does the water pump not pump water at idle?

[kookennay]

SEE I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS BUT DIDN,T KNOW IF THE STOCK STATOR WOULD POWER IT. HOW WELL WILL IT WORK WIT THE STOCK STATOR? COULD IT JUST BE RUN OFF A SWITCH LIKE MY LIGHTS.

[Langbolt]

Are those fans 12v A.C. ?

I thought they were D.C. and that's why we couldn't just hook them up to run.

Or will a 12v DC motor work in a 12v AC circuit ?

I'm not an Electrical Engineer......but I know the stators output is AC current.

If it works! Great!!!

I'll be hooking one up to my Hybrid 680cc as it runs hot in the summer and needs a fan!

:devil:

[250rPRIDE]

great idea and good work, nicely done..
BUT,
i think everyone is looking into this way to much, hide a little toggle switch somewhere it doesnt matter and turn the fan on after your up to running temp and riding, i would not wire it to run continuous because it would take forever for the r to warm up, because it will also be blowing forced air on the cylinder directly, and to use a temp sensor is just way over kill, the 250r 2-stroke motor is way different than a 450r 4-stroke motor, and it may no tell it when to kick on at the right temp etc.. also its a lot more work and one more thing to break and go wrong, wire the fan to a single switch and when the bike gets hot and your going to be riding hard turn the fan on!!! not real hard...
anyways nice set-up once again let use know if you can wire it to the stock 250r ac power supply.
thanks

[Honda 250r 001]

Originally posted by 250rPRIDE
the 250r 2-stroke motor is way different than a 450r 4-stroke motor, and it may no tell it when to kick on at the right temp etc..

I completly agree with this, if anyone cares. I would rather have it run all the time when the R is running. Trucks have the fan running all the time, i just dont think the fan is really big enough to change the time it takes for it to warm up by a huge ammount.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by Langbolt
Are those fans 12v A.C. ?

I thought they were D.C. and that's why we couldn't just hook them up to run.

Or will a 12v DC motor work in a 12v AC circuit ?

I'm not an Electrical Engineer......but I know the stators output is AC current.

If it works! Great!!!

I'll be hooking one up to my Hybrid 680cc as it runs hot in the summer and needs a fan!

:devil:

i never thought of that, we will see.

[DEERCHOOPER]

Originally posted by 250rPRIDE

also its a lot more work and one more thing to break and go wrong, wire the fan to a single switch and when the bike gets hot and your going to be riding hard turn the fan on!!! not real
thanks


i been threw 6 toggle switches on my ute for the fan. i also wired in a light to make sure it is on. i dont like toggle switches on any quad. water, dirt and vibrations dont go well with switchs that are made for a boat or car.

if i do recall, the 04-05 temp sensor kicks on at 205-210*. which is about the time you say awh hit when something gets hot. so if the 250r runs fine with no heat issues it will never come on, but the day you hit a little mud you might need it. drill a hole, tap it and put 1 wire on, its simple.

[Deuce426]

Originally posted by Honda 250r 001
I completly agree with this, if anyone cares. I would rather have it run all the time when the R is running. Trucks have the fan running all the time, i just dont think the fan is really big enough to change the time it takes for it to warm up by a huge ammount.

Cant compare it to a truck, since vehicles have a thermostat to regulate block temperature. Even though the fan is running and cooling down the coolant in the radiator, the black remains at a constant temperature. Now if you have a temperature gauge and go ahead and remove the thermostat, you'll see great fluctuations in coolant temp.

[Honda 250r 001]

Originally posted by Deuce426
Cant compare it to a truck, since vehicles have a thermostat to regulate block temperature. Even though the fan is running and cooling down the coolant in the radiator, the black remains at a constant temperature. Now if you have a temperature gauge and go ahead and remove the thermostat, you'll see great fluctuations in coolant temp.

ahh, true man. You got me there, But i still think that using a 450 temp sensor might be a bad idea, because 4-strokes tend to run atleast 20 degrees hotter than 2-strokes. (according to esr)

[250rPRIDE]

they make 100% weather proof toggle switches..
i put one on a 4x4, 3 way spring back for a winch and it has seen it all for over 6 years sunk in mudd-holes many times and i never had a problem with it.. dont get a 2.99 one at ace hardware.. haa

[LONG-ROD]

Originally posted by DEERCHOOPER
how does the water pump not pump water at idle?

i don't have the perfect answer for that.. I have clear hoses, and put a temp gauge after the radiator and it will not move no matter how long it idols. page 88 of the Manuel.. first caution top left of page..

[smokinwrench]

Originally posted by Honda 250r 001
I completly agree with this, if anyone cares. I would rather have it run all the time when the R is running. Trucks have the fan running all the time, i just dont think the fan is really big enough to change the time it takes for it to warm up by a huge ammount.

You can buy a temp switch that will turn on at any temp you desire.

Trucks, pickups and cars do NOT have the fan running all the time. They all have fan clutches unless you consider the few that still run a flex fan on there old toys.

I think deathman53 on here explains how to turn the R into a dc system, so then you could still run the fan without any problems.

[kookennay]

doesn't the rectifier change the current because it has to change for the lights? or thats what i thought anyway.

[86 Quad R]

a diode is what ur thinking and its funtion/process is called rectification. :cool:

[destey]

Originally posted by LONG-ROD
i don't have the perfect answer for that.. I have clear hoses, and put a temp gauge after the radiator and it will not move no matter how long it idols. page 88 of the Manuel.. first caution top left of page..

Same concept as a torque converter in a car with an automatic. Impeller pumping volume isn't linear with RPM. It pumps very little at idle, then you get to about 1/3rpm it starts pump.

You can see it in action if you run your machine with the radiator cap off.

[jon370r]

Originally posted by LONG-ROD
so you said it could be made to run at speeds. water will not flow trough the cooling system at idle. so how will a fan help keep the motor cool. it is a well built piece.

I run a fan on my 401CC and when I turn the fan on at idle the temp will drop 20 degrees w/in a min.

[DEERCHOOPER]

ok jon,

i have to ask. how are you powering it? whats the trick?

[C41Xracer]

im curious about that myself???

[jon370r]

What you need is a AC/DC voltage regulator/rectifier from Baja Designs. The P/N is 12-2003 and it cost $37. I wired it into my stock headlight plug so all I have to do turn the head light switch on high and it will run at 160-180 degrees all day no matter how hard I beat on it.

[DEERCHOOPER]

thanks jon,

that will be ordered monday. sweet