Issues with +2 arms?

[flyboy1294]

I got Laeger +2 arms for my 400ex a while back for this rebuild I'm in the middle of.

Today I noticed that the wheels turn WAY too far out. If I turned at speed it would either flip or break the tie rod ends off. My tierods are a little out of adjustment, but this looks like a whole different issue.

I am running the stock steering stem. Is this a normal issue with extended arms? I thought about changing my steering stop by welding on a little bit. Is this a good idea?

Thanks for the help.

[slightlybent47]

Did you replace the stock tie rods with new extended rods?

[flyboy1294]

Originally posted by slightlybent47
Did you replace the stock tie rods with new extended rods?

Yes, I installed extended tie rods.

[gtt416ex]

when you turn, do the wheels hit the arms?

[aDviSol2y]

Don't mess with your steerign stop. Most likely your tie rods are just out of adjustment or your camber/caster is out of adjustment. When you have the bars pointed straight ahead, are your tires pointing straight ahead? Are your tires straight up and down? I always adjust my tie rods so my tires piont in a few degrees to help it track straight. Also have the tops of the tires tilted in a few degrees to help with handling. Hope this makes sense.

[flyboy1294]

416:
No, they do not touch.Even though they do come close.

advisol2y:
The camber/caster is about right. The tires sit up and down. However, the wheels point slightly outward when the bars are straight, the left significantly more so than the right.

[gtt416ex]

try adjusting your toe in/out. and that should center your steering. don't worry about the tires turning sharper than stock, most aftermarket a-arms do that. mine turns alot sharper than it used to, but when i turn it to the stops it spins around really quick, i don't think it'll make you flip or break something

[Muzzgit]

Yeah you gotta get it so it's toe in!

I had +2+1 put on last year and I noticed a few changes in the steering, most notably what I thought was oversteer (and it probably is). It takes a little getting used to, but the added width and being more stable in high speed corners is worth it.

I keep over steering in soft sand, which slows me down sometimes, and scares the poop outa me sometimes too, but I'm only a weekend rider so it's not like I'm loosing races or anything.

******* I read a funny way of describing it the other day, and I know you all know what it is, but...................

"Understeer is when you hit the tree between the headlights.
Oversteer is when you hit the tree between the tail lights"

Well I thought it was funny anyway :D