How r crf hybrids for fmx & some Mx compared to equally built 250r

[quadfmx]

I love the feel of the 250 in the air over say a 450 r but I thought the hybrid would be based off 250r geometry frame.
I'm talking fair comparison a walsh chassis crf vs a walsh 250 r or even a laeger w/ no link 250 r or even a roll 250
I don't want to get into a linkage debate so that's why I threw in a no link and a cr500 link 250r
both quads being longtravel, also given the 250 would have a built motor so it would be a more fair power comparison.
I say crf bc I got way more parts for a Honda engine already.
I haven't got to hit a ramp on a hybrid so I feel most peeps on here with built hybrids have prob had a built 250 or other bikes to give a comparison.
Thx for input

[woodsracer144]

im not sure what your asking, the walsh crf chassis are a 250r geo, i dont think walsh made a 400ex geo chassis... all 250r geo chassis are going to be rather close, leagers roll and walsh are the higher end stuff, lonestar prp frontline arens are all aftermarket chassis aswell...

as far as links i only know of a oe 250r cr crf and no link i think walsh might have their own set up also... im not sure though, i've never ran a walsh before.

[quadfmx]

I was asking where do you guys rate the hybrid quads for freestyle and mx vs other quads?

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by quadfmx
I was asking where do you guys rate the hybrid quads for freestyle and mx vs other quads?

i dont know much about fmx, i think on the mx track they are a good quad when you can keep them running... i had a 400ex i got for 1500 bucks with a yzf426 in it and it was a hack job but once i got together right it was the most powerful quad i've ever rode on... ever... i had a +1 LSR swinger and a elka LT rear shock and link and the front end was off the ground all the time! it was crazy fast... i ended up selling it cause i didnt build it the way i want it to be built and it was just a problem, one thing after another, it was a pain to find the right oil tank for it also... but when i had it running and it was running right it was fast, i left the motor stock for the most part, there was someone that ported it, im not sure who but they did a good job who ever it was...

[socallizard]

i have a laeger crf i also had a laeger 250r , the feel in the air are very similar the 250r are much lighter, but the advantage that walsh,laeger,prp,etc. have over production are that the frames are much stronger IMO.

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by socallizard
i have a laeger crf i also had a laeger 250r , the feel in the air are very similar the 250r are much lighter, but the advantage that walsh,laeger,prp,etc. have over production are that the frames are much stronger IMO.

much stronger... they crack but they are rode really hard if they do or older

[quadfmx]

Im not sure the 250 engines are cheaper and cheaper to maintain and its a cheaper build vs the hybrid to begin with but i wanted someone with exp with both or at least one to give some info.

I love my 250R in the air over my 450R or a yfz450 or an ltr450 but with a aftermarket chassis based off the 250R i felt the hybrid and the 250R esp if you compare a walsh to a walsh would fell very similiar

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by quadfmx
Im not sure the 250 engines are cheaper and cheaper to maintain and its a cheaper build vs the hybrid to begin with but i wanted someone with exp with both or at least one to give some info.

I love my 250R in the air over my 450R or a yfz450 or an ltr450 but with a aftermarket chassis based off the 250R i felt the hybrid and the 250R esp if you compare a walsh to a walsh would fell very similiar

dont quote me on this cause im not sure but i think you would be able to tell in the air one is a 4 stroke and one is a 2...

[quadfmx]

yeah i thought about the weight but both being 250r geometry they would be close,
Thx for the help

[Derrick Adams]

The biggest difference in the air I think would be the engine braking.

I know most of the Hybrids have a flip up seat, which wouldn't work out to well trying to do supermans and stuff like that.

[Lasher]

Sometime in the near future I can answer this question...since I will have a Walsh 250R and Walsh CRF in the garage (one is still being built).

From my understanding, the Walsh CRF is based off the Walsh 250R frame. I have been looking at both in the garage for the last month. Only the motor area appear to be different.

So the only real difference is the extra weight of the motor and how it affects center of gavity on the chassis. (other than power output differences due to motor types)

Since the CRF is still under construction, I don't know for sure, but reading about all the pro's had to say when the aftermarket frames were outlawed, sounds like there were no production quads that handled the same. True hybrid (250R geo) you get the best of both worlds.

[quadpornstar]

I would take the hybrid almost always. I've have ridden both on ramps and mx, and the Laeger just flat out handles my TRX450er. I run full PEP's on the Laeger, and my 450 runs fox floats in the front, and the PEP in the back. Both long travel, the laeger runs a cr500 link, and the 450 runs a Baldwin Link. My 450 will pull the laeger power wise, but that is just a motor thing. My 450 is a big bore (488 Ice cube) and the Laeger is only a 470. Given if I put some money in the CRF Motor, and cleaned it up a little, it would be unstoppable. I ride the 450 more than the Laeger, but only because it is super fresh, and pretty much new, and I don't want it beat to hell. I have my much cheaper and (easily replaced) 450er for that...