Anybody have NOS parts? [Archive]

Rich250RRacer

01-31-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by 250Renvy
I just aquired a good collection of NOS parts - some still available, a bunch aren't.

I'd like to see what people have in NEW in package OEM parts.

Post or PM part number and desired price.

Something I'm really looking for is a new shift drum, but anything engine related I'm interested in, NEW kick starter would be great too.

Are the drums gone now too? I broke one two years ago and had no problem getting it, but that was a long time ago.

As far as selling any of my NOS stuff, sorry. No way. Want to sell any of yours? :D

I have three new 89 cylinders in the box.
2 full sets of red plastic
2 88 hoods
1 long rod crank
1 88-89 clutch side cover
1 set of cases
1 86-87 red hood
1 set of 88 fender decals
1 set of 86-87 "R" decals for rear fender
Plus a large box of radiator hoses, grommets, bolts, a few 86-87 chain sliders, and other new crap.

woodsracer144

01-31-2010, 09:19 PM

Im working on getting some NEW in the box cases, theres 2 sets, one has New bears put in the, the other hasnt been open...

Jonny B

01-31-2010, 10:25 PM

Among other new OEM stuff I have, I recently started to get into my never fueled 1985 atc250r engine. It is from the 3 wheeler ban in 86. Sat on the shelf for over 20 years until I bought it from an older Honda mechanic about 5 years ago. Last week I opened her up and inspected the cylinder walls, trans, etc. and could not believe that there was no issues with corrosion from over the past 25 years of storage. PERFECT. The only issue was a small 1/2" crack on the clutch cover...not sure what the cause was but my new Hinson clutch cover will take care of that. I am lucky to have this engine to start my build from because Honda has bailed on OEM 250r parts. It is sad people can no longer get new oem engine parts for these quads...shift drums, gears, mainshafts, counter balancers, clutch parts, cases, etc. etc. etc. Everybody can go on Bikebandit.com and see what I mean...

I have to decide on the top end I will need...possibly a powervalve top with a longrod crank is in the future for this engine with updated yukon gears with 88-89 ratio. I might be letting go of the OEM top and bottom end if there is interest...

Jonny B

croat1

01-31-2010, 10:55 PM

i have some oem stuff tucked away for that rainy day. heres just an example. the intake tract boot. i have one new 86 and one new 87-89. new in package. i believe reading that these are discontinued. hopefully all250r can come up with an aftermarket alternative.

like jonny b stated it sucks about the oem engine parts being discontinued. but i bet with the right contacts anything can be copied and machined.

Honda5

02-01-2010, 02:51 AM

I have about 300 pieces. most of them are engine parts I got in a package deal on ebay. It was full of bolts, shims, clutch parts, gears,..... I also have most every part to build a 89' just wish I had a new frame.

pilotpete

02-01-2010, 02:58 AM

i got about $40,000 in trx250r nos....
check out my web-site not put any trx parts on yet but will do in the next few weeks

http://www.offroadvintage.com/index.htm

Honda5

02-01-2010, 04:11 AM

pilotpete WOW!!!! at $500 for a front brake hose for a 85 atc250r that makes me think I have about 100k worth of stuff. But in the end I'll bet you find someone to buy it.

machwon

02-01-2010, 04:25 AM

I seen this coming on a 250r tranny rebuild in December for a guy, it was a real problem finding parts. I called Honda and since the 250R is past the 20 year mark they are no longer supporting them with parts. What is left in wharehouses or in dealer stock will likely be all that is available from Honda.

I visited the local rip off salvage yard and they want 50% of new so I bought all the shift forks. He's like these aren't discontinued are they? I said no sir why? He said ok there on this online microfiche so they must still be available, otherwise the price will really go up for used! I bought all the shift forks I could find. I have two sets of new shift forks left, but like above not for sale unless they bring some good $$$.

pilotpete

02-01-2010, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by Honda5
pilotpete WOW!!!! at $500 for a front brake hose for a 85 atc250r that makes me think I have about 100k worth of stuff. But in the end I'll bet you find someone to buy it.
Hey i have sold many front brake hoses for $500!!! that the going price....i have even got original 85R front hoses you really don't want to know how much they are.....:eek2: :eek2:

250Renvy

02-01-2010, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Honda5
I have about 300 pieces. most of them are engine parts I got in a package deal on ebay. It was full of bolts, shims, clutch parts, gears,..... I also have most every part to build a 89' just wish I had a new frame.

It wasn't from sajcorvette or a guy in MI was it?

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Does anybody plan to use their parts or is it at a stage now where to use it is like pissing away money? NEW stuff could be worth money but using it uses possibly the last one.

I'm interested in getting as big of collection of motor parts and electrical parts together so that if possible down the road they could be reverse engineered to be re-manufactured. Only NEW parts would do and maybe update it and redesigned.

troybilt

02-01-2010, 09:06 AM

You've got to be kidding me on the front brake lines? I just took off a set and almost pitched them.

Anyway, is there word on whether ESR is going to reverse engineer the cases?

I was working on this as a side project, I contacted a company that would scan my 89 cases into 3D and send me ProE models back that I could then modify or improve upon. I've already got a casting supplier in Huron, MI that can cast them. My problem for doing something like this privately without an SBA loan is the initial investment. Scan to 3D to CAD is $3000, and my experience with casting molds would be in the neighborhood of $10,000... So i gave up on the idea for now. It would take several years to get that initial investment back. Hopefully someone like ESR can foot the bill and get them remade. I'm not iterested in billet cases.

croat1

02-01-2010, 09:56 AM

i personally have parts to use on my bikes. to me having nos discontinued parts is priceless. i will use them when and if the time comes. theres nothing i hate more is not to be able to put new/good parts on my bikes. nothing worse than buying a part and when you get its worse than your original.

i don't buy parts because they can be and are worth money if sold to the right person. i have parts to enjoy and continue the lifespan of a classic bike.

as far as engine parts: in the cleveland ohio area were are packed full of every machine shop you can think of. if you have it, think of it, or need it repaired or machines it can be one. from mom and pop shops with manual machines to full blown cnc shops will all the latest technology. we even have more than a few gear manufacturers. so getting gear made is not a problem.

250Renvy

02-01-2010, 08:21 PM

I think it's getting a little too expensive.

I punched all my part numbers into the microfische prices and it comes to $6000. If anybody is interested, I may sell for that price.

Croat1 and Troybilt - I know both of you know about my new interest in GASGAS - I have been doing a lot of research and there isn't a lot out there. However I have talked to a local dealer and will be taking one for a test ride sometime next week.

I will then try to find a used quad - much cheaper and will try that out. So far everybody has told me that these things are built well. The whole motor and brakes and frame geometry is built off of the 250R so once I know what prices are like on plastics and such, I'm either going to support the company that makes 2-strokes and convert the HRE frame to a Honda GAS 300 pv. OR be on a mission to find as many NOS parts as possible so I can continue to ride.

On a completely seperate note - does anybody else use fuel fragrances?

Honda 250r 001

02-01-2010, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by croat1

like jonny b stated it sucks about the oem engine parts being discontinued. but i bet with the right contacts anything can be copied and machined.

WHAT????!?!?!? Honda is discontinuing all 250r engine parts?!?!?!?!?!?!/!?!?!?!?!?!? ZOMFGOMZFGOMFZGOM we have to do something! How can we contact honda and tell then they cant do that!!!!! that will be a HUGE hit to the 250r popularity i bet!

Jonny B

02-01-2010, 08:58 PM

Go to bikebandit.com and do an OEM parts search...over the past few years, they have slowly been disappearing. This is not recent news...

Honda 250r 001

02-01-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Jonny B
Go to bikebandit.com and do an OEM parts search...over the past few years, they have slowly been disappearing. This is not recent news...

they have been slowly dissapearing. i thought somoene said they were all gonna just end really really soon, like at the end of this year.

pilotpete

02-02-2010, 02:41 AM

Yep Honda pretty much discontinued all TRX, ATC, FL and some CR parts up to 1993 at the end of 2008 all that left is whats at the dealers and at the main hubs after that its all over...:confused: :( :( :(

Honda5

02-02-2010, 03:51 AM

I don't remember who I got the large collection of new parts from but someone spent alot of time collecting them. After I get to pick out the stuff I need I'm selling off all the NOS and used oem parts I don't need.
This started as a restoration of a 89' and now have spent thousands and somehow got a 89' and ended up with a original 86' (vin #250 ) thanks to Scharvo250r.

Honda 250r 001

02-02-2010, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by pilotpete
Yep Honda pretty much discontinued all TRX, ATC, FL and some CR parts up to 1993 at the end of 2008 all that left is whats at the dealers and at the main hubs after that its all over...:confused: :( :( :(

dam that sucks... well there are still plenty of 250r's out there. Surely some aftermarket company will step up and make some of the parts that are becoming harder to find.

86 Quad R

02-02-2010, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Honda 250r 001
dam that sucks... well there are still plenty of 250r's out there. Surely some aftermarket company will step up and make some of the parts that are becoming harder to find.

engine parts are going to be the toughest of all the parts to get/duplicate in the aftermarket world.

atvmxr

02-02-2010, 08:38 AM

this thread is depressing...

or is it just me? :ermm:

troybilt

02-02-2010, 08:47 AM

Other than ESR, most if not all aftermarket companies have already bailed on the 250r. So for that purpose alone if anyone needs anything for a 250r call Eddie first, and send him your business... :D

What specifically for a motor is everyone worried about other than the cases? Those are the only things I see as being a real pita to get ahold of new right now. I guess being an engineer, I look at this a little differently. Gears, shafts, bearings, cranks, rods, seals, counter balancer, can all be made relatively easy, and even with a little funding the cases can be made too, billet cases and/or eventually casted cases.

I just haven't been panicking quite yet on the engine parts. Other than engine, everything else is expendable. I'll stick my 250r motor in a 450 if I have too, and I plan to do just that in the near future.

As far as the GasGas, I'm all for exploring new options.
Pros: New parts availability, Rekluse clutch option, Reverse option, PV from factory, strong motor

Cons: Aftermarket parts/knowledge base, not a Honda (reliability questions), Dealer network, limited market exposure,

250Renvy

02-02-2010, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by troybilt

What specifically for a motor is everyone worried about other than the cases? Those are the only things I see as being a real pita to get ahold of new right now. I guess being an engineer, I look at this a little differently. Gears, shafts, bearings, cranks, rods, seals, counter balancer, can all be made relatively easy, and even with a little funding the cases can be made too, billet cases and/or eventually casted cases.

I just haven't been panicking quite yet on the engine parts. Other than engine, everything else is expendable. I'll stick my 250r motor in a 450 if I have too, and I plan to do just that in the near future.

As far as the GasGas, I'm all for exploring new options.
Pros: New parts availability, Rekluse clutch option, Reverse option, PV from factory, strong motor

Cons: Aftermarket parts/knowledge base, not a Honda (reliability questions), Dealer network, limited market exposure,

If you have the right person and company - re-engineering the 250R is not that big of deal, money is the only issue and possibly quality control.

I'm always exploring new options - first I looked at the Kawi tecate - still many parts available, but limited supply of used, many tranny parts not available and only oem.

Gasgas looks a little more promising, but to address you Cons: Aftermarket parts are limited, but could be made because most parts bolt up to hondas, reliability doesn't seem to be an issue from the numbers of dealers and owners I've talked to. Dealer network is growing, limited market exposure - hard to help that without marketing. However if someone wanted to race a 2-stroke in the pro-class or production class, this qualifies.

troybilt

02-02-2010, 09:20 AM

Kevin, any thoughts on whether any of the motor parts can cross-over from the GasGas to the 250r? If they are similar in design, there maybe an option there.

What's a new motor cost from GasGas? Have you found any of that information? Is there a website to order the parts. I know GasGas makes good stuff, their trials bike is the bike to beat on that circuit.

When I read the article in DW, awhile back on the GasGas, they said there was only one US dealer in Boston (if I'm not mistaken), that was importing the 09 GasGas 200 and 300's to the US.

How's your Spanish :D... someone can give GasGas a call? What happens it they drop the 2 strokes (200 and 300) in 2011 for US export? They already have a 450 to fill the US ATV performance market, ...which seems to be heavily favored to the 4 strokes.

Hell other than a few articles in DW every 5 years, the 2 strokes get no exposure to the youth. So it would be an extremely hard and up hill battle to swing the masses in favor of 2 strokes. All it would take is a Pro to have marginal success with a 2 stroke and that could be changed overnight.

250Renvy

02-02-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by troybilt
Kevin, any thoughts on whether any of the motor parts can cross-over from the GasGas to the 250r? If they are similar in design, there maybe an option there.

What's a new motor cost from GasGas? Have you found any of that information? Is there a website to order the parts. I know GasGas makes good stuff, their trials bike is the bike to beat on that circuit.

When I read the article in DW, awhile back on the GasGas, they said there was only one US dealer in Boston (if I'm not mistaken), that was importing the 09 GasGas 200 and 300's to the US.

How's your Spanish :D... someone can give GasGas a call? What happens it they drop the 2 strokes (200 and 300) in 2011 for US export? They already have a 450 to fill the US ATV performance market, ...which seems to be heavily favored to the 4 strokes.

Hell other than a few articles in DW every 5 years, the 2 strokes get no exposure to the youth. So it would be an extremely hard and up hill battle to swing the masses in favor of 2 strokes. All it would take is a Pro to have marginal success with a 2 stroke and that could be changed overnight.

I've been finding some websites, I'll have to look through my bookmarks to find it, but apparently a lot of CR250 parts interchange motor wise. Companies like Rekluse and boyessen and Keihin make parts for it. They used a lot of aftermarket parts companies to outsource for them.

I'm going to be calling GASGAS in the near future after I take a test ride on one to see if they will build me a brand new quad motor. I'll let you know the price. BTW they speak english.

Also something to note is that they are unlikely to stop production of 2-strokes because the Euro market and Asian market and South america/Africa still heavily supports it, so parts will be available for some number of years.

I'll look into why they dropped the 2-stroke quad too.

I'm not looking to change people's opinions, but would moreso love to have an option for people that are already into 2-strokes.

Honda 250r 001

02-02-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by atvmxr
this thread is depressing...

or is it just me? :ermm:

this thread is very depressing. But hey, we really need to support ESR, because if the demand is there, i believe they will start making anything for the legendary trx 250r.

250Renvy

02-05-2010, 07:59 AM

I'm just picking up a bunch of NEW parts that I found.

I even just found a NEW OEM rear fender for 88?

Can't wait till it all comes in.

I also found a number of parts that aren't available anymore but their are very few quantities left like shift forks and gears.

My little collection will be pretty nice, all I really NEED to complete the motor is a Shift drum and mainshaft and one of the gears for the tranny.

croat1

02-05-2010, 10:53 AM

kevin:
are you selling this stuff you are aquiring?

All250R

02-05-2010, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by croat1
i have some oem stuff tucked away for that rainy day. heres just an example. the intake tract boot. i have one new 86 and one new 87-89. new in package. i believe reading that these are discontinued. hopefully all250r can come up with an aftermarket alternative.

like jonny b stated it sucks about the oem engine parts being discontinued. but i bet with the right contacts anything can be copied and machined.
Manufacturer has a working prototype done and I am supposed to have it to test for fitment on Monday. This one will be an exact replica of the original. A longer version for CR intakes and one with a straighter bend are possible future versions if things go well! Keep an eye out if you're in need of a new intake boot.

I've posted the number to Honda corporate that people can call to voice concern over parts being discontinued. I honestly was hoping for more of a response from the community. We have to be willing to spend the time to do something about a problem rather than just complain. Honda is a profit based company obviously... so if they have a financial interest in making parts, they will! The community got Roll to start making TRX foot pegs again. Roll lost interest however in the 86-7 because of manufacturing challenges and probably a lack of people willing to buy the 88-9 in black. I offered them for a more "normal" price and still people aren't really picking them up. So, if people don't want the parts, we can't expect companies to be interested in making them.

Another thing that sucks is guys that snatch up perfectly nice condition R's and parting them out for beer and condom money - taking them off the scene one at a time. It's nice that it creates parts for us, but it thins the owner population who would be customers keeping demand up for parts.

On the other hand, I don't think Honda has just stopped making all TRX250R parts. Left case halves for example unless something pretty recently has changed are still being cast. I believe long rod cranks are the same. The problem is that Honda is so tight lipped about their production plans for parts. Dealers don't know anything until they place the order and find that they can't get it - the same as the rest of us.

250Renvy

02-05-2010, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by croat1
kevin:
are you selling this stuff you are aquiring?

Joe,

A few things I might, just because I know people will need them and probably can't get them.

The rest, I'm trying to build a completely new motor from as many new parts as possible.

We'll see what happens but when I checked for some of the parts, it was the last one available then discontinued so I figure I might as well buy it.

If I can get enough parts together to last me the next 20 years, I'll be fine.

If there is something you want, but know it's not available, send me some part numbers and I'll see if there are any left.
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I've tried calling that number so many times, but always have troubles getting through.

The sad thing, and I've noticed this with ebay, is that eventually it will come down to dozens of people bidding on the same part because there are none left. People will buy 250Rs for top dollar and strip them for parts.

All250R

02-05-2010, 03:05 PM

yea, I remember you mentioning that. I've never had trouble getting through. I skip the part about entering my VIN if that helps. It's not relevant to enter my VIN and it's not for a lot of people who may not even have a title. At any rate, I've never had an issue...

8686

02-05-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by All250R
Manufacturer has a working prototype done and I am supposed to have it to test for fitment on Monday. This one will be an exact replica of the original. A longer version for CR intakes and one with a straighter bend are possible future versions if things go well! Keep an eye out if you're in need of a new intake boot.

I've posted the number to Honda corporate that people can call to voice concern over parts being discontinued. I honestly was hoping for more of a response from the community. We have to be willing to spend the time to do something about a problem rather than just complain. Honda is a profit based company obviously... so if they have a financial interest in making parts, they will! The community got Roll to start making TRX foot pegs again. Roll lost interest however in the 86-7 because of manufacturing challenges and probably a lack of people willing to buy the 88-9 in black. I offered them for a more "normal" price and still people aren't really picking them up. So, if people don't want the parts, we can't expect companies to be interested in making them.

Another thing that sucks is guys that snatch up perfectly nice condition R's and parting them out for beer and condom money - taking them off the scene one at a time. It's nice that it creates parts for us, but it thins the owner population who would be customers keeping demand up for parts.

On the other hand, I don't think Honda has just stopped making all TRX250R parts. Left case halves for example unless something pretty recently has changed are still being cast. I believe long rod cranks are the same. The problem is that Honda is so tight lipped about their production plans for parts. Dealers don't know anything until they place the order and find that they can't get it - the same as the rest of us.

Many people will complain about the lack of parts. Very few people will pick up the phone or pony up the money to buy something or do something about it.

In the end, most people are just blowing smoke. They'll cry about something being unavailable and when it becomes available they don't buy it anyways.

312R1

02-05-2010, 04:35 PM

250Renvy

02-05-2010, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by 8686
Many people will complain about the lack of parts. Very few people will pick up the phone or pony up the money to buy something or do something about it.

In the end, most people are just blowing smoke. They'll cry about something being unavailable and when it becomes available they don't buy it anyways.

True, but the economy doesn't help either. In a time when people would just pony up the money to have it as a spare, the money just isn't there anymore.

The quote I got - $750 for L &R cases. Yeah one is discontinued but to put out $750 just to have laying around and maybe only returns $500 if you need to sell. Not many people can do that.

Timing is a factor too. Had I had the money 3 years ago, I would have bought tons of parts and just sat on them. Hindsight...

bsmith106

02-06-2010, 07:02 PM

Ive been researching the gasgas as well. These motors are able to use 01 and older cr250 rods and Wossner Wiseco and i think vertex make pistons. Some oem replacement parts are pricey but used bikes and parts can be purchased cheap. Eric gorr has a 327 kit that uses a 76mm piston,that ive heard runs really well. 04 and older bikes use the same engine as the atvs, only without the counterbalancer installed. 05 and newer bikes received new cases with no provisions for the balance shaft to save weight. I believe most of the other engine parts are the same. Ive also heard of people running the gassers with pipes from the R. The engines, are in a relativley mild state of tune with improper deck heights and loose squish clearances. They have a case reed intake with a centrifugal actuated power valve, nikasil coated cylinder as well as a two mode ignition and hydraulic clutch. I dont have first hand expieriance owning one but most who do rate them highly for performance as well as durability.

XXX -rider

02-06-2010, 07:17 PM

way too many to list ,..you know who I am ..but I aint selling ...til I can make a ton !:p

Honda5

02-06-2010, 07:37 PM

here are some of the small ones. I got snowed in and needed something to do so I'm goiing thru them so I can sell off the stuff I have duplicates of.

Honda5

02-06-2010, 07:38 PM

more.

250Renvy

02-06-2010, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by XXX -rider
way too many to list ,..you know who I am ..but I aint selling ...til I can make a ton !:p

I don't know who you are and if you have too many to list - post a pic or something - maybe you can make a ton.

I don't know what's up with the short unelaborated comments? Just like the GASGAS one?

Honda5

02-06-2010, 09:25 PM

trans and brakes and more

250Renvy

02-13-2010, 03:43 PM

I'm making my dealer go through tons of part numbers to find stuff.

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