Winter X Games Discussion

[yellowzo3]

Ok so anyone else watching? Caleb just got RIPPED in the judging. He did the most insane tricks of the day and got a 76. Hoyer went after him and did a much less impressive run and got an 84. The announcers were in strong disagreement with the judges as well.

They had a little part about them on quads though which was awesome :cool: ...Wes is there with them too I think.

And Superpipe snowboard tonight at 9.

[ryan243]

yea wes was there behind them
this is awesome seeing quads on espn again
plus caleb and colten are throwing down
that flying squirrel was insane

[motohanks]

what channel is it on?

[rodeo#11]

yea caleb got robbed....hoyer is just on fire..but still caleb should of had 2nd place for sure.

[ryan243]

espn 2
yea caleb's first run was intense

[sexysilverado45]

did anyone see caleb's second run it was crazy and he still got second did a trick no one else has done.

[ryan243]

he had a couple dead sailors in his second run though so that kind of docked him
they are on to the finals though

[yellowzo3]

Originally posted by rodeo#11
yea caleb got robbed....hoyer is just on fire..but still caleb should of had 2nd place for sure.

Yeah for sure. It wouldn't be be so upsetting if Caleb was in 2nd place with a smaller gap between his score and Hoyers. But there was an 8 point difference in Caleb's and Hoyer's first runs which was really disappointing. That's a huge gap considering most of the runs were in the 70's point range. Caleb's score was near equal to other runs where guys didn't even do tricks over every jump. (I'm just talking about his first run here) ...Glad they made it through though!!

[ryan243]

he definitely got robbed on the first run
that holy man was huge

[rodeo#11]

hey for their first year in the xgames and only being on a sled for like a month or so... if they dont make it this year...next year will be so hardcore.

[ryan243]

their already in the finals so i consider it a success already!

[sexysilverado45]

Yup

[yellowzo3]

Anybody think it seems weird watching X Games in the middle of the day? lol

Coverage continues tonight at 9pm eastern on ESPN.

[rodeo#11]

yea lol i was just flippin through the channels and saw it....Moore brothers are outta control lol

[kfx400rider03]

is there any youtube footage of it i searched and cant realy find anything

[meankfx]

Man that is so bull **** Caleb should have had a way better score **** those judges!

[yellowzo3]

Originally posted by kfx400rider03
is there any youtube footage of it i searched and cant realy find anything

I checked and didn't see anything. I checked ESPN as well and they just have a few pictures. It was only the heat rounds so just make sure you check out the finals on T.V.

[meankfx]

you can watch it here. click replay
http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/player?gameId=&sportCode=&league=

[kfx400rider03]

no one has posted anything yet about winter x?
moore brothers sick runs so far. judges being good to them now

[platummxracer8]

Them judges know the quad riders know business now! Anyone think the moore brother will get quads into summer x?

[yellowhonda400]

at least the brothers are in it. it will help advertise our sport better and maybe we will have a spot in summer games

[ryan243]

the second time caleb pulled the volt was perfect!

[ryan243]

Originally posted by dinliracer17
dude he did get his pp touched the cut off connors run wtf those idiots



huh?

[kfx400rider03]

wtf .
the trick coltan did? lol it was sweet sucks he didnt make it in to the finals.

good job for caleb tho:macho

i think i didnt mix up there names lol

[yellowzo3]

Was awesome seeing the brothers do their runs and get the respect they deserved out there. In the first heat rounds I don't think the judges or announcers were expecting them to be as good as they were. The second heat round they did even bigger tricks and the announcers "accepted" them into the sport I feel.

Hopefully this helps quads but who knows. Maybe when Caleb podiums and does the podium interview he'll say something about quads and hopefully someone from X Games will be listening. But when they were showing the footage the announcers didn't have too much to say as far as support for quads goes. They just read off the script I'm sure, since probably neither of them follow our sport. But with Colten and Caleb coming out and pretty much DOMINATING, that has to say something about these brothers and freestyle on quads... as in the brothers and the sport (Quads) are on the same level as any other freestyle (Bike, Sled, etc...)

The snowboarding was good too but it's just eliminations today right? It's hard to watch when they keep switching between sleds and snowboarding every 5 minutes. You finally get pumped on one sport and they switch to the other lol.

[kfx400rider03]

yeah i hate how they switch every 5 minutes like you said and caleb better step it up in round 2 on the finals 1st round he messed up a couple times
go caleb and get quads into xgames

[Nac's22]

Caleb Moore podiumed in his first ever competition. Very impressive.

[rodeo#11]

congrats to caleb on the podium... i still believe though that parsons run was way better than hoyers but thats just my 2cents.

[400ex28]

Originally posted by rodeo#11
parsons run was way better than hoyers but thats just my 2cents.

Agreed.

[ryan243]

Originally posted by rodeo#11
congrats to caleb on the podium... i still believe though that parsons run was way better than hoyers but thats just my 2cents. . I agree, parsons run was nuts. Way to go caleb that was amazing

[kfx400rider03]

Originally posted by ryan243
. I agree, parsons run was nuts. Way to go caleb that was amazing
x2 so are the moore brothers in best trick tomarow or no?

[jesseweaver]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
the sport (Quads) are on the same level as any other freestyle (Bike, Sled, etc...)



oh yea? haha sorry i just enjoy posting pics like this when people bring up the quad/bike comparisons. not trying to change the subject.... it is amazing how far quads have come over the last few years, i only there was a few more people in it, it would progress even further. i didn't get to see and sled freestyle, what kind of tricks were caleb and colton throwing? were they flipping?

[ryan243]

Originally posted by jesseweaver
oh yea? haha sorry i just enjoy posting pics like this when people bring up the quad/bike comparisons. not trying to change the subject.... it is amazing how far quads have come over the last few years, i only there was a few more people in it, it would progress even further. i didn't get to see and sled freestyle, what kind of tricks were caleb and colton throwing? were they flipping?


they were flipping hundred foot gaps with backflip superman and heelclickers and cordovas thrown in too...caleb was the first person to ever do a volt on a sled and he did the first flying squirrel

[sexysilverado45]

their in best trick too arn't they.

[ryan243]

i think caleb is but colten is an alternate

[sexysilverado45]

Ic he's got a chance

[yellowzo3]

Originally posted by jesseweaver
oh yea? haha sorry i just enjoy posting pics like this when people bring up the quad/bike comparisons. not trying to change the subject.... it is amazing how far quads have come over the last few years, i only there was a few more people in it, it would progress even further. i didn't get to see and sled freestyle, what kind of tricks were caleb and colton throwing? were they flipping?

Yeah man like Ryan said, these guys were pulling insane tricks that the bikes do. And there are backflip variations on quads too now so... yeah I'd say thats pretty even, give or take a few tricks.

[trick450r]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
Yeah man like Ryan said, these guys were pulling insane tricks that the bikes do. And there are backflip variations on quads too now so... yeah I'd say thats pretty even, give or take a few tricks.


Thanks to the moore's quads have filled up a gap in progression that bikes have been building for years in only months. However I would worry that they stick with snowmobiles, its going to be hard to get quads into summer x when all the dirtbike guys are going to be saying no.

[kfx400rider03]

Originally posted by trick450r
Thanks to the moore's quads have filled up a gap in progression that bikes have been building for years in only months. However I would worry that they stick with snowmobiles, its going to be hard to get quads into summer x when all the dirtbike guys are going to be saying no.

thats what i was thinking they probaly wont wanna go back to quads. but then again they probaly will cant ride a sled in the summer. and with all the dirtbike guys say no i think quads getting in is gonna be slim but the have rally racing. i like it but where did that come from? like x games when u think of it you dont think of cars you think of bmx skateboarding fmx. stuff you dont sit in but you sit on
not saying rally racing is boring i like it but how did that get into xgames completely diffrent than anny of the other sports in x games

[yellowzo3]

If they do stick with sleds I can't blame them. Sleds have more exposure than quads so why not go where the media and money is. Plus Wes said hes done making the Huevos series so that's another reason for Caleb and Colten to make the switch.

[extremeblastr]

Originally posted by kfx400rider03
thats what i was thinking they probaly wont wanna go back to quads. but then again they probaly will cant ride a sled in the summer. and with all the dirtbike guys say no i think quads getting in is gonna be slim but the have rally racing. i like it but where did that come from? like x games when u think of it you dont think of cars you think of bmx skateboarding fmx. stuff you dont sit in but you sit on
not saying rally racing is boring i like it but how did that get into xgames completely diffrent than anny of the other sports in x games

your question is answered quite simply actually as its only two letters long. TP is the reason rally is in x games.

[ryan243]

thats exactly right, if travis played basketball, they would put that in the x games

[#101]

Nothing personal, but i just dont like you jesseweaver lol. What time is the best trick on tonight? Calebs holy man was crazy! (i think thats what its called)

[ryan243]

also weaver, the picture you posted is a ruler flip, which caleb has thrown on a sled....so.....you be the judge

[rodeo#11]

when does best trick and all that come on??

[rodeo#11]

Nvm i found it..here ya go guys


7 p.m.- 11 p.m. Skiing SuperPipe Women's Final, Snowmobile Best Trick, Skiing Big Air, Snowboard SuperPipe Men's Final -ESPN

[yellowzo3]

So pumped for Superpipe and Best trick tonight. Slopestyle heats were awesome today too. :cool:

[jesseweaver]

Originally posted by #101
Nothing personal, but i just dont like you jesseweaver lol. What time is the best trick on tonight? Calebs holy man was crazy! (i think thats what its called)

haha im not trying to be a dick or take anything away from how far the quads and sleds have come, it just has to be made clear everytime someone comes out and says they're on the same level... and yea its just a ruler flip, i just quick put a picture up. they don't quite get extension like potter does. and sure there might only be a few tricks different and it doesn't seem like much, only a trick or 2, but trust me theres a HUGE difference between a super extended double grab flip (which only the bikes are doing anyways) and say a frontflip or 360 or double backflip. (yes, i know sleds have done it. just not consistently) go watch the newest huevos then watch on the pipe 5. then compare and contrast them. let me know what you think

[ryan243]

actually at steel city the top pro quad guys lap times would have placed them in the top 10 in pro bikes...

also, there are some things that just arent possible on a quad that are on a bike, but when caleb can go out and throw down a trick on a sled in his standard freestyle run that won x games best trick gold, that has to say something. you also have to take the power to weight ratio into thought, a sled weighs 450 with 150 horsepower, a bike wieghs half of what a quad weighs, but makes the same power, quads are at a severe disadvantage so to even be close is amazing in my mind

[jesseweaver]

Originally posted by ryan243
actually at steel city the top pro quad guys lap times would have placed them in the top 10 in pro bikes...

also, there are some things that just arent possible on a quad that are on a bike, but when caleb can go out and throw down a trick on a sled in his standard freestyle run that won x games best trick gold, that has to say something. you also have to take the power to weight ratio into thought, a sled weighs 450 with 150 horsepower, a bike wieghs half of what a quad weighs, but makes the same power, quads are at a severe disadvantage so to even be close is amazing in my mind

power to weight ratio plays a very minor role in fmx

[ryan243]

how so? when you use your rear wheels momentum to power you around in a flip or pull through a 360 it has a lot to do with it

[#101]

I would feel really bad for the dirtbike fmx guys if they couldn't manuever easier in the air than a quad when a quad weighs basically twice as much.

[ryan243]

agreed

[rodeo#11]

Snowmobile best trick is fixing to fire up guys! get you tv on espn!

[ryan243]

colten's trick is gonna be awesome
cant wait to see calebs varial combo

[ryan243]

i dont think the backflip seat grab was that great

[rodeo#11]

if caleb would of landed that there is no doubt in my mind he would of been first.

[kfx400rider03]

Originally posted by rodeo#11
if caleb would of landed that there is no doubt in my mind he would of been first.

omg deffinetly :eek2:
go moore borthers:macho

[Mxjunkie]

sweet

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[yellowzo3]

The Moore's did awesome! Congrats guys!! They use quad thumb throttles I think :cool: ...Frisby's trick looked awesome so its good he got 1st. I don't think people were too thrilled with the remote control backflip lol but it was pretty insane.

Superpipe is coming up soon.

Hope someone was listening when the Moore's said they've been flipping quads and doing insane tricks and have no where to show it off. :devil:

[rodeo#11]

lol yea i caught that to.. hope xgames knows that was targeted towards them :D

[ryan243]

http://espn.go.com/action/xgames/winter/2010/snowmobiling/news/story?page=winter-x-games-14-moore-brothers



nice little interview with them too


i hope that gets the word out some...i think colten's trick deserved more points than what it got, that was really impressive

[kfx400rider03]

haha sure hope some one did hear it.

and i thought the rc back flip thing was cool too. realy hard to get the rotation to start with out pulling on the handle bars

brothers did good for only being on sleds for 1 month:macho

[ryan243]

the rc backflip was cool but i dont like seeing gimmicks making it into best trick, didnt like TP's bar spin and i didnt like this...its cool, but not for competition

[BLU82]

"I think were going to try to back flip a horse next...... or maybe a cow. Either a horse or a cow." hahahahahaha that was great

[ryan243]

watch out, they might do it

[jesseweaver]

anyone remember seeing that picture of colton jumping into the pit and he was like holding on to the grab bar with one hand and hanging off the back looking backwards... pretty sure he broke his legs doing it or something. i would love to see something like that in competition

[ryan243]

that would be ridiculous

[yellowzo3]

Originally posted by ryan243
the rc backflip was cool but i dont like seeing gimmicks making it into best trick, didnt like TP's bar spin and i didnt like this...its cool, but not for competition

The announcers said that as well and I agree. They said it should be "natural tricks" or something like that. I think the judges agree and that's why it didn't score well.

Congrats to Bobby Brown and Shaun White for winning tonight... The skiing was insane!! Multiple perfect scores. If you guys were watching and enjoyed the big air skiing then tune in tomorrow for big air snowboard.

[ryan243]

i cant believe shaun walked away from his crash in practice, that was an intense face plant...

just saw heath frisby get interviewed about the moores and he was pretty stoked on them

[/infamous/]

Now that Caleb and Coltan are in the X-games spotlight maybe the producers will take a look into putting quads in summer X, i doubt it but god that would do wonders for the sport! I mean hell if freestyle snocross is getting this popular think how popular quad freestyle would get. Dreams Dreams i guess....

[TrapZ400]

http://espn.go.com/action/xgames/winter/2010/snowmobiling/news/story?page=winter-x-games-14-moore-brothers

[TrapZ400]

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[KingpinsEx]

The former-quad riders from Texas are now hitting jumps on snowmobiles...

Hmmm former? Did they say that or did the x games say that for them? I can't see them giving up riding quads all together, they have been progressing the sport so much to just give up on it. However, I could see them pursuing sleds a little more to get more exposure and hopefully use that popularity to promote quads. Rockstar Bombsquad Team sounds really good. If anyone can do it they can...

As for the whole debating going on about the dirtbikes being on another level, all I can say was watching a 600 pound sled over top of someones head competely extened out in a tsunami backflip is way more EXTREME than on a dirtbike! :macho

[ryan243]

i think espn threw in the former part...and do those videos not have noise or is my computer just screwed up?

[TrapZ400]

Theres no sound. The guy that uploaded them forgot to record the sound.

[reconmaster]

the moore brothers are still iding quads they are in panama for a show tonight

[KingpinsEx]

From Bombsquads Website:

"Please be patient but check back regularly as we will be updating you all on the excitement from Winter X. There is a lot in store for the Moore brothers and the whole Bomb Squad in the weeks and months to come."

Could it be, quads in summer X?! :D

[rocketman528]

I think if it dosen't happen this year it might next year at summer X. Caleb is extremely talented on a quad and the brothers do things on quads that would make most fmx guys wet there pants. not to metion this could open up the door for Quad super moto, quad sx and SxS racing. i have heard pastrana and mcgrath both say they give there atmost respected to the quad guys there is so much more to doing tricks on quads no only the fact of just racing them. so maybe just maybe TP and some others will bring quads in i mean travis brought in ralley, MC brought in super moto these weren't even thought of in the early days of X.

[k4f5x0r]

Hm, maybe the infamous 199 will start to race quads?! :p

[yellowzo3]

Mcgrath and Pastrana don't care about quads if you ask me. They say they give them their respect to keep drama down and to keep people from hating on them.

Pastrana could have brought quads into X Games already if he wanted to (or at least get close to doing so)... You rarely, if ever see quads on Nitro Circus, right? When asked if he flipped a quad he said yeah it was no big deal and that was the end of that discussion. There is no money and fame in quad riding... Why would he do it? He gets paid to race rally, paid to ride dirt bikes, and paid to ride EVERYTHING ELSE on Nitro Circus... Honestly I doubt he gives two ****s about quads.

[ryan243]

i remember talking to derek guetter back in 06 when they went to TP's house and they said he wasnt nearly as cool as he seems to be. Derek said he was kind of arrogant.

[SRH]

anybody watching snox or catch the adaptive race....that so cheating to let a amputee run with paralyzed guys haha, way to go henry

[ryan243]

dang i just turned it on hoping i hadnt missed it yet

[KingpinsEx]

Caleb is the TP of the Quad world, he will get quads in X, in time...

[SRH]

Originally posted by KingpinsEx
Caleb is the TP of the Quad world, he will get quads in X, in time...


to be honest i dont see it happening, caleb will end up making more money, get more exposure from sleds, quads will hit the backburner if i had to guess....i mean honestly the bikes do all the same stuff bigger... not knocking quad guys we all know what it takes but espn is in it for the ratings , i could see espn doing some crazy quad terrain race for summer x but not fmx....dirtbikes got the characters...and they bring in the fans

[jesseweaver]

whatever happened to quad supermoto at X last year?

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by SRH
to be honest i dont see it happening, caleb will end up making more money, get more exposure from sleds, quads will hit the backburner if i had to guess....i mean honestly the bikes do all the same stuff bigger... not knocking quad guys we all know what it takes but espn is in it for the ratings , i could see espn doing some crazy quad terrain race for summer x but not fmx....dirtbikes got the characters...and they bring in the fans

I agree . I think they'll realize that there's a ton of money to be made in the sled world... plus there's a lot of competition. All 4 companies in the sled industry throw millions of dollars into race programs and into freestyle. The big rigs , free parts , free machines ... everything paid. I just think theres more exposure in the sled business than there is in the atv business.

[ryan243]

caleb made number 8 in the top moments of winter x for his varial....still think coltens trick was the best of the weekend

[dirtbike&quad]

Originally posted by SRH
to be honest i dont see it happening, caleb will end up making more money, get more exposure from sleds, quads will hit the backburner if i had to guess....i mean honestly the bikes do all the same stuff bigger... not knocking quad guys we all know what it takes but espn is in it for the ratings , i could see espn doing some crazy quad terrain race for summer x but not fmx....dirtbikes got the characters...and they bring in the fans

skiiers do more then (/bigger then) snowboarders so should they take out snowboarders all together?

im sure we'll see quading in soon. just need it to progess a bit more and we'll see it. just because its not as good as dirtbikes doesnt mean its not gonna show up

[KingpinsEx]

At some point during winter X I heard one of the comentators say that they are "always looking for new events to add". I don' t see why not, something like that could bring back the big factory support for quads and maybe even another televised racing series. Not saying its gonna happen this year, but this is a gaint leap forward in my opinion...

[/infamous/]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
Mcgrath and Pastrana don't care about quads if you ask me. They say they give them their respect to keep drama down and to keep people from hating on them.

Pastrana could have brought quads into X Games already if he wanted to (or at least get close to doing so)... You rarely, if ever see quads on Nitro Circus, right? When asked if he flipped a quad he said yeah it was no big deal and that was the end of that discussion. There is no money and fame in quad riding... Why would he do it? He gets paid to race rally, paid to ride dirt bikes, and paid to ride EVERYTHING ELSE on Nitro Circus... Honestly I doubt he gives two ****s about quads.

Mcgrath does indeed enjoy quads and he could easily be competitive in the faster national classes on one. I know it was a long time ago but has anyone watched Huevos 2??? Mcgrath has his own section of him on a quad...and he's pretty good. He talked quad racing up and only had good things to say about the pros. And as for quads in summer X, it will for sure happen eventually....i talked to a guy who worked with a crew of organizers at summer X and he said quads have been talked about by the Xgames board for a few years now but it had something to do with insurance, which makes no sence at all to me but that was a few years ago so maybe things have changed.

[trick450r]

Originally posted by /infamous/
Mcgrath does indeed enjoy quads and he could easily be competitive in the faster national classes on one. I know it was a long time ago but has anyone watched Huevos 2??? Mcgrath has his own section of him on a quad...and he's pretty good. He talked quad racing up and only had good things to say about the pros. And as for quads in summer X, it will for sure happen eventually....i talked to a guy who worked with a crew of organizers at summer X and he said quads have been talked about by the Xgames board for a few years now but it had something to do with insurance, which makes no sence at all to me but that was a few years ago so maybe things have changed.

Pastrana also raced the VA beach race on a z400 some years ago.

[yellowzo3]

Originally posted by /infamous/
Mcgrath does indeed enjoy quads and he could easily be competitive in the faster national classes on one. I know it was a long time ago but has anyone watched Huevos 2??? Mcgrath has his own section of him on a quad...and he's pretty good. He talked quad racing up and only had good things to say about the pros. And as for quads in summer X, it will for sure happen eventually....i talked to a guy who worked with a crew of organizers at summer X and he said quads have been talked about by the Xgames board for a few years now but it had something to do with insurance, which makes no sence at all to me but that was a few years ago so maybe things have changed.

Insurance is also the reason a lot of tracks don't allow quads anymore. I don't understand why this is as dirtbikes are just as dangerous and they are essentially the same thing in terms of use, risk, types of people riding. It's honestly pretty stupid.

That's cool about Mcgrath though! Didn't know that :cool: ...He's more into CORR trucks now than anything else lol

[TrapZ400]

Check out the rockstar site, they have Caleb on the home page.
www.rockstar69.com

[/infamous/]

Yea i agree. Its pretty dumb

[jesseweaver]

Originally posted by dirtbike&quad
skiiers do more then (/bigger then) snowboarders so should they take out snowboarders all together?



very good point. i never looked at it like that

[/infamous/]

Dude snowboarding is what made Winter X. They couldnt take it out. Plus i enjoy watching snowboarding more anyway....Snowboarding is way more popular in Winter X than the skiing side of things. Not bashing the ski guys in anyway, they rip. Skiing kinda came in and took over the spot that freestyle moto left when they took it out of winter X, so theres plenty of room for both sports.

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
sweet

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The dude I know is trying to tell me thats a Rock Solid ha.

[/infamous/]

Thats Calebs flying squirrel. Kinda like a rock solid but he archs his body a lot more and grabs his legs. He comes off a bit different than the dirtbike guys do to. He kinda goes into it like he's on his quad. You would almost think he was a quad rider huh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[SRH]

Originally posted by dirtbike&quad
skiiers do more then (/bigger then) snowboarders so should they take out snowboarders all together?

im sure we'll see quading in soon. just need it to progess a bit more and we'll see it. just because its not as good as dirtbikes doesnt mean its not gonna show up


skiing and snowboarding are 2 different sports and handle 2 diff groups of ppl making more ppl watch the x games...

problem is quads and only have quad riders as fans and dirtbikes have quad ppl and dirtbike ppl...so adding quads to x doesnt benefit anyone but the quad community the same ppl are going to watch it

as i said i think we could possibly have a shot with an event like quad terrain...have to throw in some big 60-70 ft doubles and some crazy obstacles that may draw in ratings

i wouldnt hold your breath tho...quads will always be a underground sport unless someone wants to sacrifice alot of $$$ to put them in the spotlight over a 5 yr period... which wouldnt be a good investment because who knows in 10-15 yrs what the sport will be like

[/infamous/]

That is a good point but if they threw it out there and just tried putting quads in X then who knows it might just blow up. Look at snomobiles....they were totally underground with freestyle....Slednecks was making some killer films but that was about it...then all of a sudden they tried it at winter x now its blowing up. They will never know till they try.

[SRH]

slednecks was equally as big as crusty...your forgetting before they were in x games they werre in gravity games and other events, x games really has done nothing for slednecks

if anyone did anything for putting sleds in the spotlight it was blair morgan...i was really hoping to see him in the adaptive race this year

[/infamous/]

Yea me to man. Blair was the man on a sled. He was awsome on his bike to. But anyway the Gravity Games have been gone for a good while now. Winter X really has blew up Snomobiles and it could do the same for quads.

[SRH]

Originally posted by /infamous/
Yea me to man. Blair was the man on a sled. He was awsome on his bike to. But anyway the Gravity Games have been gone for a good while now. Winter X really has blew up Snomobiles and it could do the same for quads.

i really dont think its done anything for sleds, the riders yes... but not the sport as a whole, i mean i saw burandt, frisby, hoyer and all those guys back in 05-06 locally and the areana was filled, sled fmx has been big for awhile, up until the inverted stuff came into play, sled fmx and dirtbike fmx were neck and neck id say

[/infamous/]

Yea Slednecks were busting out killer films right as the Crustys were. It was just hard for sleds to stay at the bikes level because the bikes guys can have comp coverage year around and that just doesnt happen for the sled guys. I mean yes they do indeed do demos on soft dirt and mulch but nothing beats the snow. But that aside i think we all agree that our sport is going nowhere unless some buddy steps up and takes it there.

[yellowzo3]

Originally posted by SRH
as i said i think we could possibly have a shot with an event like quad terrain...have to throw in some big 60-70 ft doubles and some crazy obstacles that may draw in ratings


I think this is a bad idea because going through an obstacle course will make it look like a redneck exhibition instead of a serious sport. People that don't ride quads or aren't familiar with them will look at the race and go ".........so THIS is what they do on these? :huh ...HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH" .... Quads need to have straight up freestyle comps like everyone else.

We need to have the same competitions as dirt bikes (Best trick, freestyle, maybe that sx style or whatever they did)... If we have goofy stuff like an obstacle course it looks amateurish and no one will take it seriously.

[/infamous/]

I dont think we have to worry about them putting quad terrain in X, the xgames promoters try to stick to the "xtreme" "Acton" sports side of things and not to bash anyone but quad terrain isnt exactly "Action" sports. So Freestyle or the Speed and Style would be perfect. But who knows what will happen.

[Lasher]

From my viewpoint on quads in the X-games. (All I will say is, I do have inside information)

ESPN will only care about the ratings of the X-games. That is what makes money for the company.

The "outdoor games" is where quads had a shot at the spotlight, but the cost of producing the show was more than the ratings. So that got cancelled.

If you look at Winter X, snowmobiles are now the "action motosports" part. Quads have no chance.

If you look at Summer X games, bikes are the main "action motosports" part with Rally (ie. Travis Pastrona) trying to sneak in. If quads are to have a shot, they probably need to try and compete in best trick...against the dirt bikes. Right now, they are behind on "tricks" (no matter is more difficult on quad) so they would never make the cut.

ESPN will change the events at the X-games, but only if ratings support it. Look back to the early years of the X-Games and the stupid events they had (ESPN's Ultimate X the movie).

I am a quad guy, but with what I know, forget any chance of quads getting into X-games until they pull bigger tricks than the bikes...then you have a fighting chance.

[yellowzo3]

I remember when they used to have rock climbing lmao.

But there again the "outdoor games" are basically putting quads into a redneck category. When I hear outdoor games I think archery, chainsaw competitions, wood chopping comps... all that stuff... When you put quad racing in there people are like :huh and think its just as weird as people racing to cut wood in half.

I remember when they had the "Alligator jump" or whatever in that one race. How does ESPN even take themselves seriously adding that in there. Don't even tell me that bumped ratings... No one would watch that race just for the alligator jump.

I guess it is sort of expensive to air... but the WPSA race at Englishtown didn't seem to have anything special going on. One old trailer and a few cameras. I really don't think ESPN broke that bank on that series.

They'll air spelling bees with no problem though. I bet that gets less views than quads did.

Speed airs swamp boat races, figure 8 races, figure 8 racing with campers (yes serious). There is the weirdest things on T.V. but they wont air a genuine race series that has far more fans and followers than the redneck sports I mentioned.

Excuses excuses from tv stations.

[Lasher]

There are two ways to get something on the air at ESPN (and probably other networks as well).

1) ESPN produces the show. This means ESPN cameras, equipment, people etc.

2) Third party buys the air time and produces their own show, giving ESPN the tape to run.

WSPA, I believe brought the air time because I highly doubt ESPN would show up with just a trailer and a couple cameras. When ESPN does produce a show, you would know it.

Why Speed Channel does not pick up quad racing? Don't know.

But I do know the costs of putting a show together from start to finish. A couple guys with cameras is just a small part. If some one had enough ambition (and cash) they could probably produce a show, sell it to a network, and maybe make a profit...if you get the ads...that is key.

Right now, all the bike/quad companies are cutting budgets (including marketing) and it will be tough to get them to pay.

[/infamous/]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
I remember when they used to have rock climbing lmao.

But there again the "outdoor games" are basically putting quads into a redneck category. When I hear outdoor games I think archery, chainsaw competitions, wood chopping comps... all that stuff... When you put quad racing in there people are like :huh and think its just as weird as people racing to cut wood in half.

I remember when they had the "Alligator jump" or whatever in that one race. How does ESPN even take themselves seriously adding that in there. Don't even tell me that bumped ratings... No one would watch that race just for the alligator jump.

I guess it is sort of expensive to air... but the WPSA race at Englishtown didn't seem to have anything special going on. One old trailer and a few cameras. I really don't think ESPN broke that bank on that series.

They'll air spelling bees with no problem though. I bet that gets less views than quads did.

Speed airs swamp boat races, figure 8 races, figure 8 racing with campers (yes serious). There is the weirdest things on T.V. but they wont air a genuine race series that has far more fans and followers than the redneck sports I mentioned.

Excuses excuses from tv stations.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

[SRH]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
I think this is a bad idea because going through an obstacle course will make it look like a redneck exhibition instead of a serious sport. People that don't ride quads or aren't familiar with them will look at the race and go ".........so THIS is what they do on these? :huh ...HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH" .... Quads need to have straight up freestyle comps like everyone else.

We need to have the same competitions as dirt bikes (Best trick, freestyle, maybe that sx style or whatever they did)... If we have goofy stuff like an obstacle course it looks amateurish and no one will take it seriously.

haha the quad terrain is more interesting to the avg joe than just seeing 2 extra wheels mimicking the dirtbikes...and unless the $$$ get there i dont think it would be sensible for quad guys to start hanging it out there

quad terrain segement had higher ratings than the mx....when it was on espn...

they keep the same course, throw in some big roller doubles the 4x4s can launch off and invite the top 10 mx and top 10 xc quad guys and run it

i dont know how to put this without hurting your feelings but mx, sx, or quad terrain quads are redneck.... so until its viewed otherwise and gets a bigger fan base your s tuck

[SRH]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
I remember when they used to have rock climbing lmao.

But there again the "outdoor games" are basically putting quads into a redneck category. When I hear outdoor games I think archery, chainsaw competitions, wood chopping comps... all that stuff... When you put quad racing in there people are like :huh and think its just as weird as people racing to cut wood in half.

I remember when they had the "Alligator jump" or whatever in that one race. How does ESPN even take themselves seriously adding that in there. Don't even tell me that bumped ratings... No one would watch that race just for the alligator jump.

I guess it is sort of expensive to air... but the WPSA race at Englishtown didn't seem to have anything special going on. One old trailer and a few cameras. I really don't think ESPN broke that bank on that series.

They'll air spelling bees with no problem though. I bet that gets less views than quads did.

Speed airs swamp boat races, figure 8 races, figure 8 racing with campers (yes serious). There is the weirdest things on T.V. but they wont air a genuine race series that has far more fans and followers than the redneck sports I mentioned.

Excuses excuses from tv stations.

come on man...ur not thinking in business terms, a spelling bee requires what 1 camera...and its fairly simple to compile into a a show, mx you need a whole staffs , gotta put the footage together and commentate, they prob make more off the spelling bee

[yellowzo3]

I knew someone was going to say that a spelling bee is super cheap and doesn't compare lol. But the quad series did have sponsors like Jack Link's beef jerky and such... and more people watch the quad races than the spelling bee.

Of course it will cost more to produce the WPSA series or a freestyle series, but you get WAY more viewers than a spelling bee. The point is that ESPN will air a spelling bee (NOT a sport and I'm sure you all agree) but won't air a legit sport.

If they had quads in X Games the additional cost of adding them to the lineup would be chump change. Everything is already there except the wider ramps... and Akraix or Hbomb would be MORE than happy to bring theirs with them I'm betting. They could use the same supermoto course, same dirt jumps, same sx track, same best trick area. All that it would cost them is air time... and they could air it at like 2pm like they did for the snowmobiles in winterx for qualifying and stuff. Not prime time so its fairly cheap.

It is entirely possible to get them into the X games without bending over backwards if ESPN wanted them there. They just don't welcome quads... maybe they were expecting too much out of the WPSA series and didn't see the ratings they wanted. Who knows.

And any ATV is far from redneck... the R&D that goes into them as well as how advanced some of the aftermarket parts are is insane. That's what gets me angry. These are legit race machines that people have a passion for building and riding. Just like dirt bikes.

[SRH]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
I knew someone was going to say that a spelling bee is super cheap and doesn't compare lol. But the quad series did have sponsors like Jack Link's beef jerky and such... and more people watch the quad races than the spelling bee.

Of course it will cost more to produce the WPSA series or a freestyle series, but you get WAY more viewers than a spelling bee. The point is that ESPN will air a spelling bee (NOT a sport and I'm sure you all agree) but won't air a legit sport.

If they had quads in X Games the additional cost of adding them to the lineup would be chump change. Everything is already there except the wider ramps... and Akraix or Hbomb would be MORE than happy to bring theirs with them I'm betting. They could use the same supermoto course, same dirt jumps, same sx track, same best trick area. All that it would cost them is air time... and they could air it at like 2pm like they did for the snowmobiles in winterx for qualifying and stuff. Not prime time so its fairly cheap.

It is entirely possible to get them into the X games without bending over backwards if ESPN wanted them there. They just don't welcome quads... maybe they were expecting too much out of the WPSA series and didn't see the ratings they wanted. Who knows.

And any ATV is far from redneck... the R&D that goes into them as well as how advanced some of the aftermarket parts are is insane. That's what gets me angry. These are legit race machines that people have a passion for building and riding. Just like dirt bikes.


just like dirt bikes....

thatd the whole problem lol

you dont seem to realize espn is a business and if they were going to profit or gain from running quads theyd do it....the amount of viewers theyd gain from running quad races on espn must not surpass the costs

[KingpinsEx]

Originally posted by yellowzo3



If they had quads in X Games the additional cost of adding them to the lineup would be chump change. Everything is already there except the wider ramps... and Akraix or Hbomb would be MORE than happy to bring theirs with them I'm betting. They could use the same supermoto course, same dirt jumps, same sx track, same best trick area. All that it would cost them is air time... and they could air it at like 2pm like they did for the snowmobiles in winterx for qualifying and stuff. Not prime time so its fairly cheap.

It is entirely possible to get them into the X games without bending over backwards if ESPN wanted them there. They just don't welcome quads... maybe they were expecting too much out of the WPSA series and didn't see the ratings they wanted. Who knows.



Exactly right, I think it is something deeper, like they are still afraid of lawsuits or something, they just don't like quads. You are totally correct about the setup costs, the staff is already there, just be a couple hours more air time, but thats what commericals are for.

Perfect example, the new event they just added this year, skiing big air. Where the riders rode down the half pipe and tired to go the highest, COM'ON. You have to be out of your mind to find that more exciting than atv racing/freestyle. But thats just how easy it would be to add an event...

Also the WPSA series left a bad taste in everyones mouth, but I feel a big reason it failed was due to the competition with the ATVA Nationals. If they would have just all consolidated, sponsers, riders, fans, I think it would have possibly made it...

[ryan243]

they should have just made the wpsa a winter series out west or south or something

[/infamous/]

It wasnt ESPNs fault that the WPSA series went down the drain. The organizers went bankrupt. They owed a ton of tracks a TON of money. But it all comes back to somebody stepping up that has faith and the cash.

[SRH]

tes sewell im pretty sure is the only one involved with espn whos been pushing quads, he got them into outdoor games and then was involved with wpsa... im sure sooner or later if theres a chance hell push for it again

[/infamous/]

Yea Tess is a super cool dude. He is our guy on the inside if we want anything about quads mentioned to ESPN.

[Lasher]

I believe that WSPA "brought" the air time from ESPN, so all the ad money (depending on the contract) went to WSPA.

ESPN is a business that is here to make money. Believe me, lawsuits from an event is not an issue.

I love quads, but in my current position I realize that the only way for quads to have a chance at the X-games is to compete head to head with bikes in an event.

[trick450r]

Beyond anything else i'm stunned that I sat on my couch expecting to watch a great xgames and what do i see? A couple wieners on snowmobiles doing that stupid distance jumping thing...what a horrible idea lol

I also think that a place where quads could be really interesting is Supermoto. The technique is so different than that of a dirtbike that it would stand out.