lobo chassis

[woodsracer144]

ok can some one that has one tell me alittle more on these things? i know that they are no links and that they have the adjustable shock towers and stuff but aside from that what are some of the pros and cons? i know they had 2 different a-arms also, what are the pros and cons of the a-arms you run also? thanks

post pics as well... thanks!

[deathman53]

there was 2 different chassis's mx and xc, high ratio(xc) and normal(mx) steering stems, +1 to +4 a-arms and some had different tilt and placement of the motor.

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by deathman53
there was 2 different chassis's mx and xc, high ratio(xc) and normal(mx) steering stems, +1 to +4 a-arms and some had different tilt and placement of the motor.

what do you mean it had a high ratio?

Im not sure what one it is, can you really tell from pics?
what were the pros and cons of the 2 a-arms...

[Jonny B]

Deathman is right with the stem ratios being different between the versions. Theres 3 different versionsof chassis, mx, xc, and baja version.
These chassis were updated yearly with slight differences. The 2001 prior xc chassis have a lower rear shock upper mount to accomadate a snorkle tube. In 2002, the xc chassis was similar to the mx chassis with a taller rear shock mount and no snorkel option.
In 2002 both the xc and mx version got a gullwing rear swinger to get more meat by the lower rear shock mount.
I have an 01 lobo xc and can say you cant get a better woods machine...it will kill any whooped out nastyness you can find. The reason that they are so far beyond a stocker is they are a complete chassis that is designed to be used with its own geometry and components...its nothing like the stock 250r geometry. Also, its construction is art, welds etc.

[Jonny B]

The ratio is the distance from center of stem to center of tie rod end. The xc stem has a farther center to center, slowing down the turn speed of the front wheels for tighter woods riding. The mx version is shorter center to center, creating a faster reponse for mx tracks.

[woodsracer144]

so what chassis do you think this one is?

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo185/mornin151/Picture_088.jpg

[Jonny B]

My guess would be 2000 or 2001 mx chassis.

The front a arm mounts and rear swinger. The front a arm mounts were like that from 2000 - on. The rear swinger is 2001 or prior version.

Thats my guess...

[addictedtomud]

Its a 1999 - 2001 model.

In 1998 the front upper a-arm mounts had a reinforcement that looked like this:

[addictedtomud]

In 1999 they got rid of that and went to your style.

[woodsracer144]

how much is that quad i put in the pic worth? just from what you can see on it, im not sure whats all on it...

[addictedtomud]

$5-$7K depending on condition...lower if you find the frame is bent or damaged or welded a bunch. Higher if there's a spare LRD350PV motor and a trailer full of parts that go with it...:D

What do you think Jonny B?

[Jonny B]

I hate putting prices on other peoples stuff. Race chassis are hard to find that dont need or have allready had repairs...and its hard to tell how tight the chassis is. Balljoints, bearings, bushings, seals etc. add up $$$ if things are sloppy. Not sure of engine either...half the cost of one of my builds was put into the engine. That looks stock up top maybe with porting work, bigger carb, maybe a Sparks pipe. Unfortunately in todays economy, I can see it selling anywhere from 4500-5500 and up to maybe a little more $$$ if things were a+++ when looked at in person.

[woodsracer144]

huh... all im saying is its lower then 4500... but im not sure if i'll get it yet...

[addictedtomud]

You're right! The only quad more expensive than a LOBO to replace bushings and bearings on is the Laeger's ProTrax

[Jonny B]

If its lower then $4500 then look it over good. Rear engine mounts, swinger cracks, subframe straight?, might have some stripped bolt holes???, check slop/wear at pedal and peg mounts, also look at the frame behind the lower a arm mounts...the lobo is narrow there, and good front end hit can cause a bend there. Look and measure from outside of a arm to center of axle on both sides. If it drives straight and has solid power you should buy it for the $4500 and under price...you will not be jelouse of another r again.

[woodsracer144]

gotta sell afew things first, it takes the guy 10 years to reply back to me!

[8686]

Originally posted by Jonny B
The ratio is the distance from center of stem to center of tie rod end. The xc stem has a farther center to center, slowing down the turn speed of the front wheels for tighter woods riding. The mx version is shorter center to center, creating a faster reponse for mx tracks.

I'm no expert, but I believe you have this concept backwards. I'm going to refer to the section at the bottom of the stem that the tie rods connect to as the "ear".

When compared to the shorter ear, the longer ear moves the tie rods (and wheels) a greater distance with the same movement of the steering stem, making the front wheels turn faster.

Does this make any sense?

[woodsracer144]

so is that on the chassis or on the stem? i dont see how it could be on the chassis and if it was just in the stem how would that effect the chassis? are the stems only good on the xc or mx?

[K-Dub]

I was gonna buy this R back in october. I called and sent picks to Doug Roll and he said it would be a 96 model frame. He gave 3 or 4 reason, on what told him the year. He doesnt have any A arms for this frame and it wont take the Lobo II arms. The a arm mounts are in a different location on the newer frames that use the Lobo II arms. He did tell me that when he gets around 10 orders for these older arms he will make a run.

[woodsracer144]

so is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[8686]

I have both stems. I can post a pic to show the difference if needed.

[norcalduner]

Originally posted by 8686
I have both stems. I can post a pic to show the difference if needed.

Can you post pics please ? This will make very good info.

[woodsracer144]

yes 8686! Please do post them!

[8686]

No prob. I have three different a-arm setups as well. I'll get some pics.

[8686]

Here is a pic of the bottom of both stems. You can see the difference lengths of the tie rod mounting areas.
http://i46.tinypic.com/33xxb20.jpg

[woodsracer144]

whoa! i didnt know there was that much of a change, what if the holes where closer to the stem its self, not made wider...

[8686]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
whoa! i didnt know there was that much of a change, what if the holes where closer to the stem its self, not made wider...

I already explained this simple geometry lesson in a previous post.

Think, my son! Think! :D

[woodsracer144]

oh, sorry, i thought that was just with the tie rods being closer together or placed more apart, not being mounted closer the the rod on the stem, i dont know what you want to call it...

[woodsracer144]

ok, i didnt notice the one was shorter, i thought they were the same lenght with the holes place closer or farther appart... i didnt know it was cloeser and what not to the stem shaft till i just looked agian... way too tired! haha

[steve250r]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
huh... all im saying is its lower then 4500... but im not sure if i'll get it yet...

The guy wants $3500 for that Lobo. If it were closer to me I'd be all over it. It's a good deal!

[woodsracer144]

steve, im in WI also...

[steve250r]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
steve, im in WI also...

Unfortunately I don't have time to drive to Louisana. Either way it's a good deal.

[woodsracer144]

yeah, i have a brother that drives over the road and the guy down the road also...

[woodsracer144]

i have a few more for you guys to look at... as of right now i have my name on her... i just have to get it up here...

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[slipperyjake]

here is some pics of my 98 lobo http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/dougroll4/DSC02366.jpg?t=http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/dougroll4/DSC02364.jpg?t=http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/dougroll4/DSC02363.jpg?t=1268768850