Which Sub Would You Get?

[03pete]

Well since I am a gold reward zone member at beat buy, I get anything shipped to my house for free, so shipping price isn't a concern. I'm not looking to spend a ton, so these are my two options.

Sony - Xplod 12" Dual Loaded Ported Subwoofer Enclosure for 150 shipped to my door. 2000W peak power (600W RMS)

or

MTX - 10" Dual 2-Ohm Subwoofers with Enclosure for 140 shipped to my door. 1350W peak power (450W RMS).

I always hear that sony does not make very good subs, so I was just wondering what you guys thought.

Also, I have a Kenwood 600W Class D Mono Amplifier with Variable Crossover.

Thanks

[XCRacer236]

MTX all the way. still not the best out there but WAY better then ANYTHING Sony. they cant make car audio to save their lives.

[F-16Guy]

Just some food for thought here:

I bought a Phoenix Gold RSD12 on Amazon.com for like $45 with free shipping. It is an awesome sub. It reminds me of the really great stuff that was coming out in the 1990's. It's not real flashy, but it is well built and it pounds hard. Amazon also had a bunch of enclosures for cheap. You could probably get a sub and box shipped for under a bill.

Of the two options you listed, I'd go with the MTX stuff, although neither is a great choice. Sony is junk, and I would stay away from ported enclosures that aren't custom built for your vehicle. They also typically require a great deal more cubic feet.

[03pete]

Well another reason I wanted to buy from best buy was I have like 60$ in reward zone money, and like 4 gift cards, so it would basically be free.

I only have a cheap 12" Xtreme sub in my car right now that my brother gave me until I buy something better. Would the MTX sound noticeably better and louder than the 12 I have now?

[IcutMetl]

Hey Pete, I noticed you are from Toledo. I have a semi old-school Orion XTREME PRO 12" DVC with 4-ohm coils (wired in parallel for 2ohm operation) mounted in a small sealed box, plus a spare slot-ported box that I'll throw in for $100 if you want to drive an hour to Sandusky and pick it up. It's been sitting in my garage on a shelf for ever now, and I keep thinking I'm going to use it again, but I have a company car now and it's a no-no. This was part of ther sub series right before DEI took over Orion (and Profile took over Soundstream) and things went to ****. Could send pics if you like.

I haven't ran the sub in 3+ years; and when I did, I had it for about a year in my '99 Toyota Solara off of aSoundstream Rubicon 501 mono amp. It sounds great in both boxes; I personally like it in a sealed box better, and it always could handle WAY more than what I gave it...old Orion subs were underrated and still a ton better than even the decent subs you buy at big box stores. In the F150 from my signature, I ran it for about a month off of an Orion XTR500 amp in an all Orion/Soundstream system that on a side note, consisted of Cobalts in doors/pillars, and a pair of XTR10's in a custom built wedge, all powered by a MASSIVE old school Soundstream Reference 705S 5 channel amp.

No hurt feelings if you're not interested...haha, just thought I'd throw it out there. Out of the 2 you listed though, I would go with the MTX; I have some MTX marine speakers on my boat and am very pleased.

[Kickstarts-suck]

Neither... For cheap subs I love Kickers. You can get a Kicker CVR 10" or 12" for around $65 new. I beat the hell out of mine and never had any problems.

I want to hook it up to my AQ3500D amp and see how it likes 3500 watts rms :devil:

www.audiosavings.com

Originally posted by Kickstarts-suck
Neither...

^^ I guess if I had to chose one of those it would be the MTX but I wouldn't get either.

Funny you said AQ3500, I'm hookin one up to my 18" BTL. :D . A kicker will fail on 3500 though. :ermm: I don't like kicker though so what do I know. :p

[F-16Guy]

Okay, after further review, I've changed my mind. With a 600 watt Kenwood (which is a pretty optimistic wattage rating), you probably want to drive one sub. After looking at Best Buy's online selection, I'd have to recommend these:

Sub:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+Xplod+12%22+Single-Voice-Coil+4-Ohm+Subwoofer/9202481.p?id=1218057724056&skuId=9202481

Enclosure:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Atrend+-+12%22+Single+Ported+Subwoofer+Enclosure+-+Charcoal/9026868.p?skuId=9026868&id=1218009783153#tabbed-customerreviews

The Sony subs in the pre-loaded box are junk. The one I linked is actually pretty good. One good sub is better than two chitty ones. As for the enclosure, you'll need a little piece of 3/4" MDF, some wood glue or caulking, screws, and some poly-fill. You can get everything at Lowes (you may have to hit WalMart for the poly-fill). I would cut the carpet away from around the port and glue and screw an MDF plug over the top to make it a sealed box. I would then fill the box with poly-fill and install the sub. That should give you a nice, hard hitting sub for about the same money you would have spent on the other stuff.

[extremeblastr]

don't EVER buy sony car audio except for the decks and even then only if you can't find anything else in your price range

[mineralgrey01gt]

Save up your money and get an Alpine Type R 10" sub or 12". Those sound way better than anything listed in this thread and will outlast any of those subs also, trust me ive owned all different types including that sony 12" sub shown and they just dont last. If you were closer id sell you my 2 kicker comp cvr 12's in a ported box for $150

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by extremeblastr
don't EVER buy sony car audio except for the decks and even then only if you can't find anything else in your price range
I've heard the sub in my link, and it actually sounds pretty good. Normally I would agree with you, but that was the best thing that Best Buy carried. I have to disagree about their head units, though. I've owned a couple different Sony head units and they really sucked. I wouldn't buy anything but a Pioneer, but that's just my preference.

[mineralgrey01gt]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
I've heard the sub in my link, and it actually sounds pretty good. Normally I would agree with you, but that was the best thing that Best Buy carried. I have to disagree about their head units, though. I've owned a couple different Sony head units and they really sucked. I wouldn't buy anything but a Pioneer, but that's just my preference.

best buy carries subs way better than that. Maybe for that price range it might be the best, but i know i have purchased alpine subs and rockford subs (which rockford p2 10's in rockfords ported box absolutely slams hard. It shocked me)

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by mineralgrey01gt
best buy carries subs way better than that. Maybe for that price range it might be the best, but i know i have purchased alpine subs and rockford subs (which rockford p2 10's in rockfords ported box absolutely slams hard. It shocked me)

Yeah, I was trying to stay in his budget, and I was looking at what they had online. They might have better stuff in the store, but I doubt they have a sub much better than that for that price. Personally, I would never buy anything from a retailer like Best Buy, but he has a deal there, so that's what I was looking at.

[mineralgrey01gt]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
Yeah, I was trying to stay in his budget, and I was looking at what they had online. They might have better stuff in the store, but I doubt they have a sub much better than that for that price. Personally, I would never buy anything from a retailer like Best Buy, but he has a deal there, so that's what I was looking at.

ok i thought thats what you were doing. I know I bought really good subs off of ebay for cheap. Thats where I got my cvr's from but i think that he said something about the cards are only from best buy?

[extremeblastr]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
I've heard the sub in my link, and it actually sounds pretty good. Normally I would agree with you, but that was the best thing that Best Buy carried. I have to disagree about their head units, though. I've owned a couple different Sony head units and they really sucked. I wouldn't buy anything but a Pioneer, but that's just my preference.

you misunderstood what i said, sony is a last resort at a brand name if you can't find anything else in your price range. i have pioneer premier decks in both my trucks and in my girls car;)

as for the subs go with those mtx's those two mtx 10s will put any of the sonys best buy sells to shame

[03pete]

Thanks for all the imput guys, I appreciate it.

If I bought the MTX 10's, would I be able to run a 500W 12" Xtreme on top of the 10's with my AMP?

[03pete]

oops forgot to attach picture.

[extremeblastr]

don't even bother with the xtreme, you said it yourself its a cheap sub and mixing and matching subs does not help with sound quality.

[400ex28]

fi

[03pete]

Originally posted by extremeblastr
don't even bother with the xtreme, you said it yourself its a cheap sub and mixing and matching subs does not help with sound quality.

You'd be surprised how good it really sounds. Would my AMP handle both subs?

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by extremeblastr
you misunderstood what i said, sony is a last resort at a brand name if you can't find anything else in your price range. i have pioneer premier decks in both my trucks and in my girls car;)

as for the subs go with those mtx's those two mtx 10s will put any of the sonys best buy sells to shame
Just because they say "MTX", it doesn't necessarily make them better than the Sony sub that I linked. The fact that it's two 10 inch subs and a box for $150 tells me that the subs are probably the lowest end that MTX offers. In my experience, "loaded" boxes are usually loaded with crap. I'd take that higher end Sony sub all day long.

To the OP -- Your Kenwood amp is going to have enough trouble running one 12" sub, let alone a 12" and two 10"s. I'm guessing that your amp is only 4 ohm stable, so you'd have to wire three subs in series to keep your amp safe. If you do that, your subs would be way under-driven. Go with a single quality 12" sub and you'll be much happier, IMHO.

Originally posted by 400ex28
fi

That's way out of his price range. :p

Edit- BTW, whoever recommended the "enclosure".... Don't waist your money. They're easy to build. The subs you're looking at don't even bother with ported either. :o

I have a Pioneer deh headunit (sounds REALLY nice) and as far as a sub, Im running a Roxford Fosgate MTX Punch P1 single 12" in a ported box. I saw it at a garage sale for $10, so I figured for the price it was worth a shot.

It actually has quite some kick to it. It's 300w peak 150w rms, and im running a 300w alpine mono amp. It gets the job done for some bass in the firechicken.

My dads friend competes in stereo competitions and is REALLY good with stereo and builds custom boxes. He's going to build me one to fit in the trunk of my car for free and im going to have him make it for twin 10's. My friend had twin kenwood 10's and the thing kicked @ss all across the board.

[mineralgrey01gt]

Originally posted by DMC-4OOEX
I have a Pioneer deh headunit (sounds REALLY nice) and as far as a sub, Im running a Roxford Fosgate MTX Punch P1 single 12" in a ported box. I saw it at a garage sale for $10, so I figured for the price it was worth a shot.

It actually has quite some kick to it. It's 300w peak 150w rms, and im running a 300w alpine mono amp. It gets the job done for some bass in the firechicken.

My dads friend competes in stereo competitions and is REALLY good with stereo and builds custom boxes. He's going to build me one to fit in the trunk of my car for free and im going to have him make it for twin 10's. My friend had twin kenwood 10's and the thing kicked @ss all across the board.

rockford fosgate MTX punch P1 huh, thats a new one

Originally posted by DMC-4OOEX
Roxford Fosgate MTX Punch P1 single 12"

You have proved you have 0 car audio knowledge with this statement.

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by Nova
You have proved you have 0 car audio knowledge with this statement.

Why it was probably a typo or a mistake. He never said he knew alot about it.



Originally posted by Nova
A kicker will fail on 3500 though. :ermm: I don't like kicker though so what do I know. :p

Thats the point ;)



You keep talking about this Fi 18" but haven't ever posted any pics or anything. Less talk more pictures!

[TGW_400ex]

Woah....Roxford Fosgate MTX Punch P1 single 12"....sounds loud!!!

You guys are dicks lol. I never said I was a car audio guru. I actually don't know anything about car audio. All I know is what I visually see on it.

The face of the sub is black... and says "p1" It also has a ring around the sub that says roxford fosgate. (I looked up the p1 sub and it is in fact a roxford fosgate)

I was bored one day, and unbolted the woofer. the back side is red and the mtx logo is stamped in the back face of it.
So you explain to me, experts. lol

[F-16Guy]

It sounds like someone put a Fosgate rubber trim ring on an MTX sub. The sub itself is probably an MTX if it's labeled on the magnet.

Yeah but the face of the sub, the plastic part in the rubber ring, says p1 and is black. Roxford Fosgate makes the punch p1. Thats what has me so confused..
Im thinking maybe MTX manufactures that specific sub for roxford fosgate??

[03pete]

Just take a pic of the front and post it

[KXRida]

Personally, I'd go with the toasted turkey sub with cheese..


seriously, I've been a fan of the MTX's. A few of my buddy's around here have them an no complaints.

Originally posted by KXRida
Personally, I'd go with the toasted turkey sub with cheese..

damn you beat me to it, well played sir, well played

Originally posted by Kickstarts-suck
You keep talking about this Fi 18" but haven't ever posted any pics or anything. Less talk more pictures!

;)
http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n399/Nova21/BTL.jpg
http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n399/Nova21/BTL2.jpg

[06typeS]

i would go with the mtx

but the most rediculous sub i have heard was the kicker solo baric

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by 06typeS
i would go with the mtx

but the most rediculous sub i have heard was the kicker solo baric
I've always been pretty partial to the first generation Solo-Barics. The hardest hitting, cleanest subs I've ever personally heard were in a Ford Escort GT hatchback that a buddy and I put together. It was a pair of old (old now, but not back then) Kicker Competition 12s -- the kind with a black cone with gold "Kicker" lettering on the dust cover. We pushed them with a Metro Sound amp. Really clean and lots of excursion. I had a pair of Orion XTR3 10" subs in my 1986 Z-28 that came pretty close to his setup. Those Orions were great subs, too. I've always preferred the sound of those pulp cones.

This isn't a real shot of mine, but the exact same one I have.
It's identical to this, same plastic trim ring and everything.

The back part by the magnet has the MTX logo on it though?

[exrider272]

JL Audio 12" W7 in the JL H.O Red eye box bumps pretty hard, i love it!

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[ricksmx865]

Originally posted by 400ex28
fi

[06typeS]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
I've always been pretty partial to the first generation Solo-Barics. The hardest hitting, cleanest subs I've ever personally heard were in a Ford Escort GT hatchback that a buddy and I put together. It was a pair of old (old now, but not back then) Kicker Competition 12s -- the kind with a black cone with gold "Kicker" lettering on the dust cover. We pushed them with a Metro Sound amp. Really clean and lots of excursion. I had a pair of Orion XTR3 10" subs in my 1986 Z-28 that came pretty close to his setup. Those Orions were great subs, too. I've always preferred the sound of those pulp cones.

A guy i use to work with had two 10" solo barics when they first came out (i assume first gen but not sure), he had a box specifically made and a fosgate amp. They were in a gmc jimmy or something to that take.

I knew be blew his back window out once with them, they were too loud for me to sit in his truck. They actually hurt my ears

[extremeblastr]

we're running 4 12" L5 solos in an extended cab ranger so you think that blazer was loud with two 10s try rollin around town with us for a day lol

[06typeS]

ha thats when i was younger, im sure i wouldn't even think about anywhere near the truck with 4 of them

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by Nova
;)

bout damn time. Now hurry up and get that thing slammin!
:macho


Here is one of my AQ HDC3 10"s next to my Kicker 12" L7

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/194/aq10sub.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/aq10sub.jpg/)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6645/aq10s.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/aq10s.jpg/)


I dont have any updated pics of the amp.. Doesnt look like this anymore. All wiring is cleaned up and box is carpeted.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8213/aq3500d.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/aq3500d.jpg/)

[03pete]

I got the MTX's in the mail today and WOW, these things slammm for 10's. Definitely a good buy.

Originally posted by Kickstarts-suck
bout damn time. Now hurry up and get that thing slammin!
:macho

Well I need a few things before that happens. :p

1x system devoted vehicle... Debating between a Tahoe, S10 blazer, Ext. cab or 4 door silveriado.

1 more 18" BTL
2 AQ3500D's
2 270 amp alts

I'm leaning toward the silverado and doing a wall @ the back seats. Would be sick. And less air space so hairtricks will be that much easier. :devil: