cam and timing key

[400EXcuses]

can i ran a timing key and a cam?

[bmid450]

yes you can run a 6* sparks key with a cam ,just not a high compression piston,though you wont see the true potential of the cam without the high compression piston.there is a guy on here selling 3* keys that can be ran with a high comp piston at the expense of 100 octane fuel.

[honda400ex2003]

wheelie is selling them and you will be fine running both. wheelie is a great guy to work with too, depending on how wild you want to get, will be pleased if you go with a 3+ to not go quite as advanced. steve

[honda400ex2003]

heres a bit of info on the two keys and a comparison.

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=414990

steve

[TRXRacer1]

Originally posted by bmid450
yes you can run a 6* sparks key with a cam ,just not a high compression piston,though you wont see the true potential of the cam without the high compression piston.there is a guy on here selling 3* keys that can be ran with a high comp piston at the expense of 100 octane fuel. Actually running a +6 key with a cam will have the same feel as no key and a high comp piston.

[bmid450]

Originally posted by TRXRacer1
Actually running a +6 key with a cam will have the same feel as no key and a high comp piston.

advancing the timing a few degrees may help it pull harder off idle, but to say it is the same as jumping compression say from 9:1 to 11:1, there is no way as you actually lose compression with the larger cam,but thanks for the correction

[400EXcuses]

Thanks i have a 6+ key whats the best cam?

[TRXRacer1]

Originally posted by bmid450
advancing the timing a few degrees may help it pull harder off idle, but to say it is the same as jumping compression say from 9:1 to 11:1, there is no way as you actually lose compression with the larger cam,but thanks for the correction Not sure where I said anything about 11:1 but I take it you have no idea why the key gives you more power.

[400EXcuses]

Ok stiill whats the best cam, and will i see a difference?

[bmid450]

Originally posted by TRXRacer1
Not sure where I said anything about 11:1 but I take it you have no idea why the key gives you more power.

I thought we were talking about high compression,anything lower is hardly high comp,As far as my knowledge as it happens I've been a Caterpillar Tech for over 20 years,engines are what I do both on off the clock, so yes I have pretty firm grasp the effects timing changes make on an engine and to say advancing the timing 6* is going to compare with a high compession build done right is laughable.I dont need some smart*** reply that I by the way never ask you for.the advice given was very poor along with most other things Ive seen you post when your not just giving people crap which seems to be what you are best at,so in the future keep your bogus unwanted advise to yourself.

[TRXRacer1]

Originally posted by bmid450
I thought we were talking about high compression,anything lower is hardly high comp,As far as my knowledge as it happens I've been a Caterpillar Tech for over 20 years,engines are what I do both on off the clock, so yes I have pretty firm grasp the effects timing changes make on an engine and to say advancing the timing 6* is going to compare with a high compession build done right is laughable.I dont need some smart*** reply that I by the way never ask you for.the advice given was very poor along with most other things Ive seen you post when your not just giving people crap which seems to be what you are best at,so in the future keep your bogus unwanted advise to yourself. 20 yrs as a line worker doesn't give you any credit in my book. If you new anything then you'd know 10:1 is all you need to keep the stg 1 & 2 cams in the sweet spot. Do you know what the minimum dynamic CR is you want? It's not until stg 3 you'd need 10.8:1. These are relatively mild cams compared to stock. Since you're so heavily experienced then tell me what 6 degrees does to the effective stroke. Are you able to calculate dynamic compression? Don't be a clown, you're obviously out of your league here. I'm sure you can turn a wrench but let me know if you need help turning the calculator on. Watch out, your safety manager is running up yelling something about thinking before you act......

[omeeomy]

hey weres the best place to buy the key and gaskets all at once?
and the cheepest
thanks

[400EXcuses]

is stage two more powerful?

[TRXRacer1]

Originally posted by 400EXcuses
is stage two more powerful? Yup, but it slightly pushes the power higher in the RPM's. Not a big deal but if you're looking for more low end lugging power the stg 1 is the way to go.

[400EXcuses]

Thanks trx i didnt know wat was wat, and how about stage 3 is that good? even higher rpm i suspect?

[TRXRacer1]

Originally posted by 400EXcuses
Thanks trx i didnt know wat was wat, and how about stage 3 is that good? even higher rpm i suspect? Yeah, even higher and the duration tends to like more cc's. I've talked to people using the stg3 on smaller bores and they liked it too.

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by TRXRacer1
20 yrs as a line worker doesn't give you any credit in my book. If you new anything then you'd know 10:1 is all you need to keep the stg 1 & 2 cams in the sweet spot. Do you know what the minimum dynamic CR is you want? It's not until stg 3 you'd need 10.8:1. These are relatively mild cams compared to stock. Since you're so heavily experienced then tell me what 6 degrees does to the effective stroke. Are you able to calculate dynamic compression? Don't be a clown, you're obviously out of your league here. I'm sure you can turn a wrench but let me know if you need help turning the calculator on. Watch out, your safety manager is running up yelling something about thinking before you act......
:rolleyes:

[400EXcuses]

ok cool i think im goin with the stage one


and im thinking about a loony tuned dual exhaust.

[400EXcuses]

correction i am getting the stage one lol

[UNBROKEN]

u can run the 6 degree timming key with a 10/1 piston and stage 1 hotcam ask.. katch26 hes running that exact setup

[honda400ex2003]

it will be a very very nice set up with that. i have it right now minus the 6+ and it is killer. steve

[BuB400]

Originally posted by TRXRacer1
Yeah, even higher and the duration tends to like more cc's. I've talked to people using the stg3 on smaller bores and they liked it too.

Why don't we just let you know when the next pissin' contest is. You argue every thing from tires to motors on here. Do you get lonely on your pedestal?

[TRXRacer1]

Originally posted by BuB400
Why don't we just let you know when the next pissin' contest is. You argue every thing from tires to motors on here. Do you get lonely on your pedestal? A little. Interesting how people like you focus more on my attitude then the fact that I DO correct a lot of BS. For 8 years I've enjoyed learning and teaching here and have no plans on changing my ways. If you don't like seeing TRXRacer1 in posts then use the ignore option.

[BuB400]

Teaching and your opinion are 2 differenet things, thats all I'm saying.

[honda400ex2003]

nevermind he changed his^^ lol steve

[BuB400]

Sorry it took 5 days

[honda400ex2003]

lol , :p :D inside joke now lol steve

[Donjuan400ex]

not to steal the thread but would i be okay to run a 416kit with 11:1 with a +6 key?? i still want great reliability let me know your thoughts!

[BuB400]

Where you at in Tomahawk?, My cousin has a place on spirit lake.

[honda400ex2003]

I am on the north side of tomahawk on Lake Nokomis. that is pretty cool that he has a place up here. I am actually in houghton till 12 tomorrow. lol then i will be home again for the week. also, i would recommend against a 6+ degree with the 11:1 it seems to create detonation problems and heat issues. i would go with a 3 degree, it seems to handle the heat better but you still should run no less that 100 octane to help it out. I would talk to wheelie about the 3 since he just made a bunch of them. steve