Input on National Option

[mkeane]

With the hard economic times this is one idea Troy Szymborski came up with to try and get more kids/parents an opportunity to race at the national level. Please read and respond with any other ideas, suggestion, comments. We need to make it known to the promoters that this or a similar format will only help the attendance at the races.

1.) Make it easier for riders to attend the 2010 ITP/ Moose National Championship.
2.) Get more riders to national championship races.
we take the ITP/Moose Championship and split it into 5 sub series called the Northern series and the Southern series with the national champion decided at Loretta Lynn's. This is how it will work.

The Northern Series would be:
1. Walnut IL
2. Delmont PA
3. Millville MN
4. New Berlin NY
5. Buchanan MI
The Southern series would be:
1. Pell City AL
2. Bowling Green KY
3. Danville VA
4. Blountville TN
5.Armaugh PA

The 5 races in each sub-series would be totaled as followes. In the Northern sub-series, 3 of the 5 races must come from the northern series with the remaining 2 races coming from any race in the total series either nort or south. In the Southern sub-series 3 of the 5 races must come from the southern sub-series with the remaining 2 races coming from any race in the total series either north or south.

The champeionship wouold be decided at Loretta Lynn's. Where the race would be counted as 1.5 times the normal value.

Why do we split the series into sub-series? This will allow riders to race as few as 5 races and Loretta Lynn's and still win a national championship.

Why do we need to race 3 races from one sub-series and 2 more from the total series? 3 races from one sub-series evens the playing field, it makes a rider commit to one sub series where they will race against the same riders in most races. The 2 races from the total series allows for flexibility, it lets racers race when they can find the time or the money.

Why count Loretta Lynn's as 1.5 times a normal race? Loretta Lynn's will be the national championship race between the two sub-series. It allows the top 2 or 3 points leaders in the two sub-series a chance to become national champion.

[racerx573]

It's a great idea that has been discussed for years and years and years. But why PVR in the southern series? It's only a little less than an hour from Steel City? Granted, it's slightly more south of it.

I'd say find another track in the south and add PVR to the northern series, making 6 rounds in the series, and give each rider 1 throw out. So they only need to race 5/6.

The 2010 national series is already 12 rounds. More rounds = more money.. Loretta's would make it 13.



It's going to be up to the promoters for that, a long and tedious journey.

My best be would be to do a petition, and send it to them. Do an electronic, and a paper petition and bring the paper one to actual national events.


I am sure this site, and other sites would be more than happy. But I would say in order to vote, you must have at least raced in a national race in the past, or be an AMA/ATVA number and provide it for proof.

This way they can actually see that it is THEIR members petitioning, not just a bunch of kids from the forums who trail ride.

Granted strength in numbers, I am also looking at the legitimacy factor of it all.

If they see 60%-70% of their members who are racing are for this, they may consider it .

[300ex_#387]

Why not have area quilifiers then regional qualifiers and have one big finale at LL. This works well for the amature bike nationals I'm sure it would be just as good with quads.

[cwr~413]

why not change the pa. round to somewhere like gatorback? the may not run quads though.

[motofreak2772]

I dont think tracks are the problem we can probably find a lot of other tracks to do the series. I like the idea of splitting it but instead coming down to one race why not just have two champions(north and south) kinda like sx. Then Loretta lynns can just have its own event like the dirtbikes do.
The only problem is the pro races. I say if we did like I just said and have two different championships for the amateurs(with 5-10 races each) the pros would either have to run all of the races north and south or just a selected few from each series.

coming down to one race like you have suggested wouldnt work.
ex. say in the south series there is an intense battle between two riders for first and in the north someone of the same class is constantly winning the guy from the north will eventually gain a good lead on both the people from the south so when it came down to lorettas he could still get beat by both riders and still win.
Actually idk... I just did the math and with five races he couldnt get that much of a lead. As long as it is fair for everyone to win then I will support the idea, but whats wrong with 2 championships(like west coast and east coast lites)

[racerx573]

Well there is the Quadcross out west.

Texas has the TQRA/SQRA.

Up here in PA we've got the PAMX series.

And New England has the NE-ATVMX.


All of these series turn out great numbers.


Some of the PAMX races actually counted as a national (same classes offered, but I think they omitted some from the PAMX series).


If all these series ran equal classes as the nationals, you could do the qualifier thing.



Splitting the series isn't that HUGE of a deal, I mean hell they split the MX/TT years ago.


East/west might not work, but
Northern National Championship Series
And Southern National Championship Series.


But what are you going to do if the guys who have money and are already running the whol GNC Series, run both?

This would call for all new rules and provisions.

I would say go check out the AMA rulebook for SX/AX/MX and see what kind of rules there are for each series, etc.

But like I said, about the petition... get that going... suggest 6/6/1 for the series. Once they see how we want it split, they'll take care of the rules, etc.

This is going to be something that won't happen until '011-'013 guaranteed.


Go to the nationals this year, get your name and face out there with the riders/pro's/promoters/track owners, etc, etc, etc...

[motofreak2772]

I didnt actually mean west and east coast I meant like it, but north and south lol. Like you said there are already local series so really all you would need is for ama to sponsor those series and put their name on it to give it national recognition.