+3 Timing Keys

[Wheelie]

Just an FYI for those who are interested, I'm going to machine several keys tomorrow morning.

I was going to charge $30 shipped for the key and puller, but I decided against it.

$15 shipped for just the key

$28 shipped for the key and puller.

Paypal, MO, or Cashiers Check.

Mods, please don't move this thread.

Thanks,
Jeremiah

[bkelley]

How would this compare to the Sparks key?

[Wheelie]

Keys are ready!

[speedfreek]

I will take one.

[bkelley]

Originally posted by bkelley
How would this compare to the Sparks key?

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by bkelley
How would this compare to the Sparks key?

It's for higher compression applications. Sparks 6* key creates too much heat when used with a high compression piston and causes detonation, even with 100+ octane fuel.

My 3 degree keys will work great for someone running 11:1 compression and wanting to add more power at the cost of running atleast 100 octane fuel.

[bkelley]

Okay, I gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

So, would the Sparks key still have a better effect for people with stock compression?

[Wheelie]

[i]

So, would the Sparks key still have a better effect for people with stock compression? [/B]

IMO, yes.

[coreyownz]

so for me to put this key in on my stock compression motor with a slip-on it would require me to run atleast 100 octane? im very intrested but do have future plans of a 416 11:1 bigbore with stage 2 cam please get back to me im gonna pm you as well

[VTredneckgames]

Originally posted by coreyownz
so for me to put this key in on my stock compression motor with a slip-on it would require me to run atleast 100 octane? im very intrested but do have future plans of a 416 11:1 bigbore with stage 2 cam please get back to me im gonna pm you as well

on stock compression you can run up to a +6 timing key.

What he is saying is that with 11:1 then it is recommended you run 100 with the +3, and a must with the +6.

You can always install it now and remove it later. But if that is the case, you should run the +6

[coreyownz]

oh ok ill take one pm your info from what ive heard these make a decent increase?

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by VTredneckgames
on stock compression you can run up to a +6 timing key.

Exactly


Originally posted by VTredneckgames
[B]
What he is saying is that with 11:1 then it is recommended you run 100 with the +3, and a must with the +6.



The +6 key causes too much heat with 11:1, even with high octane fuel--that's why I made these keys. I only recommend 100 octane if my key is used in conjunction with 11:1 compression.

[speedfreek]

Payment sent for the key!

[Wheelie]

Speedfreak--PM Sent.

[Wr3sTl3b0y]

is this key a simple add by taking the clutch case off ? i have a mechanic to do it but wonder if its worth the trouble where could i find 100+ octane honda shop?

[Wheelie]

Read the sparks key install sticky for install info, installing on of my keys isn't any different.

Most ATV shops should sell race fuel.

[rob_990]

Originally posted by Wr3sTl3b0y
is this key a simple add by taking the clutch case off ? i have a mechanic to do it but wonder if its worth the trouble where could i find 100+ octane honda shop?

no

[Wr3sTl3b0y]

alright i read the previous post i got a NUMURA 89mm 11:1 piston and aftermarket exhaust i was wondering what key i should i get im looking to run over 100 octane i assume this will let me do that and i wont have any problems .... not sure if the key is made for that purpose or what

[Wheelie]

I'm running 11.3:1 compression with 4 degrees advanced, no pinging with roughly 102 octane fuel.

FWIW--I tried a Sparks +6 key, and it proved to add too much timing and heat, it pinged in the mid-range. That's why I made my own key, so I could advance the timing and add power. It made a big difference.

Wr3s--

I recommend the use of atleast 100 octane fuel if using my +3 key with 11:1 compression. Anything at or above this number should be plenty safe.

[Wr3sTl3b0y]

alright so i wana buy this key from you soon i wana keep in touch so don't dissapear i will be back to buy one is that the only change i need to go up in octane

[Tony426ex]

i got a 440 12.5:1 , i need ur +3 key .. can you ship to canada , Quebec zipcode:G0X2K0 im a serious buyer tell me email will transfer money by paypal. just tell me how u want to proceed.. ... 12.5:1 i will have to use racin fuel? sorry for english mistakes im french.

[Wheelie]

Tony 426--pm sent.

I am willing to ship to Canada.

[Wheelie]

TTT

[speedfreek]

Originally posted by speedfreek
Payment sent for the key! I got the key in the other day and installed it. WOW! I didn't think I would be able to tell this much difference. The throttle response is much better. This thing will pull a wheelie not even trying to.

Thank you "Wheelie". ;)

[jasonwayne222]

i want one

[Muddinguy]

would a key make a difference if you were running an aftermarket CDI box ?? It's my understanding the key advances your ignition timing. and its also my understanding that a CDI box advances the timming as well .

[Wheelie]

Personally, I like timing keys better than aftermarket CDI's. I've tried both and the keys don't have the starting/reliability issues that the CDI's have. The key also gives a much better power increase than a CDI does.

[jasonwayne222]

payment sent!

[TRXRacer1]

Did you make the +4 or buy it?

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by TRXRacer1
Did you make the +4 or buy it?

I made it. I still have 1 +4 available.

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by Muddinguy
would a key make a difference if you were running an aftermarket CDI box ?? It's my understanding the key advances your ignition timing. and its also my understanding that a CDI box advances the timming as well .
The key advances the initial (base) ignition timing and would add to the amount of total advance provided by the CDI, but has no effect on the timing curve. The CDI controls the timing curve and amount of total advance. An aftermarket CDI usually uses a more aggressive advance curve, and sometimes increases the amount of total advance. Installing a key and a CDI would advance the base timing as well as increase the amount of total timing advance.

Adding a key alone provides more grunt because you are basically advancing the entire curve of the CDI by whatever amount key you have (+3,4,6, etc.)

[Wheelie]

TTT

[tywebb3]

I am interested in installing a timing key in my '05 400ex. The engine is stock and I have no plans of modifying it. A guy told me recently that if I install a +6 key I will need to run 100+ octane gas. I do not want to have to run anything better then pump premium (91-93 octane). Would the +3 or +4 key be a good compromise that would allow me to run pump gas, keep the temps down, and still get a performance gain?

[Wheelie]

I've never run a sparks key on an internally stock engine, so I can't report on whether or not it's safe for pump gas.

One of my +3 keys with stock compression would be safe with premium while adding performance.

[tywebb3]

Any chance you still have that +4 key left? Would that be safe to use with pump premium?

[Wheelie]

My last +4 is sold. I have three +3's ready to go.

[Wheelie]

Bump

[omeeomy]

how much for a 6 degree and puller shipped to michigan?
is yours like the sparks were you need to move the fly wheel to the left or does yours take up all the space?

[Wheelie]

These keys install just like the Sparks key. I bought a batch of OE Honda keys and cut them.

I can do a 6* key for you on Monday. $28 shipped.

[omeeomy]

does this type of cut really cause the fly wheel too move around or was it just poor installation?

[Wheelie]

A properly installed flywheel will not move or shear a key.

[omeeomy]

oh good that thought had me a lil scared
i might wait till the first of the year if its ok with you

sorry. i know it has been gone over several several times but i just want to be shure. i have a completley stock engine besides a slip on exhaust, a k&n air filter and a cdi box. i run 93 octain. i was thinking about possibly installing a hot cam too by the way. now what degree key would be best for me? Thankyou kindley.:)

[nastyrider17]

Would you guys recommend the +3 or +6 for my stock 400ex and how hard are they to install?

[Wheelie]

For a stock compression EX, Sparks 6* key will yield more impressive results than one of my keys.

I still have a couple +3's available.

[coreyownz]

are you posting these on ebay?

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by coreyownz
are you posting these on ebay?

I had one listed there last week.

[Ratman]

hey wheelie you say 6 deg. better for stock comp. what if it also has a stage 1 hot cam ?

[400man]

I just got done installing a SRP +6 degree key in my 400ex, and I dont think it was worth the work. mine is a 2000 model and aparantly its never had had the motor opened up untill I got it a few months ago (replaced the timing chain and put new rings in). the flywheel side cover was a pain in the butt to get off, the gasket came apart in 15 different pieces. and the new flywheel key was machined to fit so tight I had to tap it in with a hammer. and needless to say after it was all done, I didnt really notice much difference in power, maybe just a hair stronger pull in the midrange and topend, but not by much compared to stock. I was hoping for the "kick in the pants" difference like ive been reading so much about on here.

[speedfreek]

It took me less than 15min to put in my +3 key. I could tell that it gave me more bottom end.

I don't think it's supposed to give mid to top end or maybe I could be wrong.

Did you hold the flywheel in the forward position when you tightened the flywheel bolt?

[400man]

yep I held the flywheel to the left when I tightened and torqued the bolt. I may have forgot to say that my 400 doesnt run the best as it is, ive got it jetted in the right range compared to other bikes on here with same or similar mods, but mine loves to foul spark plugs and for the first 5 mins of riding and warming it up, it cuts out and back fires and runs like crap. but after its all warmed up it runs great with no problems. I have a feeling it might be a weak coil maybe?

[jasonanderson1]

will this run with stock compression as well as aftermarket compression? Im very intrested.

[jonnyroy28]

Will the +3 key help my bike?? I have a 440, HMF Bill Balance 450R Pipe, Hinson race clutch this is all I was told was done to the bike, so im curious if this will help me?

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by jasonanderson1
will this run with stock compression as well as aftermarket compression? Im very intrested.

This key will work fine with stock and higher compression engines.

Jonny:

Do you know the compression of your 440? What kind of fuel are you running in it now?

[jasonanderson1]

Originally posted by 400man
yep I held the flywheel to the left when I tightened and torqued the bolt. I may have forgot to say that my 400 doesnt run the best as it is, ive got it jetted in the right range compared to other bikes on here with same or similar mods, but mine loves to foul spark plugs and for the first 5 mins of riding and warming it up, it cuts out and back fires and runs like crap. but after its all warmed up it runs great with no problems. I have a feeling it might be a weak coil maybe?

I had the same problem...unitl i took it to my friend who used to be a honda mechanic. He adjusted the air screw some and jetting and valvles, he also cleaned the carb and since then which is 3 weeks ago she runs great with absoulutly no problems at all and it starts even without the choke sometimes.

[Wheelie]

TTT

I've got a couple listed on ebay as well.

[jasonwayne222]

As some of you may know the site was down yesterday. Well I decided to put in my key yesterday. I put it in to where the crank was turned to the right, I put the key in with the slot that was machined to the left instead of to the right, which is what the picture showed in the sticky. It didnt make since to me when i was doing it because i figured the flywheel would just rotate to the right when i tightened it so i assumed it had to be installed with the machined slot to the left instead of the right. Well it runs fine i cant say I noticed much of a difference just in my backkyard but did i put it in backwards and should i take it out and turn it around.

[81-Honda-04]

what is the puller that is included with the $28? im very interested PM sent

[Wheelie]

With the piston at TDC the machined slot goes to the right/rear of the machine. The flywheel must be 'clocked' left before tightening.

The flywheel puller is a 20mm bolt, it's the same puller Sparks sends with their keys.

[jasonwayne222]

got it in right now. thanks

oh also you can see my mods but i think i was talkin to you wheelie about avgas. well i got some from work and runnin it mixed with 93pump gas. havent gone for a ride yet but it seems better just in the back yard.

[81-Honda-04]

Wheelie i sent you a PM, will i be able to instal the puller myself? or can i get by without it? i would like to buy.

[ian0615]

Do you still have any +3 keys left over? i am interested in pickin one up from ya ...let me know bro

[Wheelie]

81Honda--

Check the Sparks key install thread, installing one of my keys isn't any different.

Ian--

I still have a couple left. I have a listing on Ebay, or you can buy direct through this site.

[ian0615]

thanks, i will get one off ebay when i get home, you gotta love these saturday work days, wish i was at home. question though as i am still learning much, i am runnin a std bore 11:1 piston (as close to 11:1 as i can get) and a stage 1 cam, i know the cam helps, am trying to squeeze as much tq and hp as i can get as i really enjoy a hard pullin quad. will the +3 key help? since i have the cam already is it not worth it?


also i have to say , this is my first 400ex and i am hooked, my brother races an ltr-450 however i dunno why i enjoy the ex so much more, at work we use the polaris 700's and its like drivin a tank, i wish they would get som 400ex here! a truely reliable,easy to work on,always starting, get ya where ya need to go quad!

[Wheelie]

The key will make a very noticeable difference. Although with 11:1 compression, I recommend running higher octane fuel--NOT octane booster.

[ian0615]

yeah man, i run 100+ fuel , i am lucky, i married into a big drag race family, and my wifes parents are track managers here so i have an endless supply of good sunnoco race fuel! am excited to get this quad back together, i was washing the cyl head in the kitchen sink last night gettin ready to put it all back. i was suprised that the wife didnt mind to much!

[81-Honda-04]

so you think i should buy the puller to go with the key? i would like to buy whatever i need to if its just the key or the $28 deal. should i buy through here or whats the ebay link?

[Wheelie]

The puller is needed to remove the flywheel. If you don't already have one, you'll need one.

If you buy through this site, right now it's .95 cheaper than through ebay. The fee's are less for me through this site as well.

Either way, you'll get the parts fast.

[jasonwayne222]

thanks wheelie, I put mine in after several months of it sitting on the shelf due to not having a higher octane fuel and it is a good noticable difference. It revs out quicker and runs better I think. I am using 100LL avgas mixed with 93. Due you run straight avgas?

[Wheelie]

Read my sig.

[Wheelie]

1 key left, I'll have a couple more ready next Monday.

[81-Honda-04]

hook me up with that last one. and puller. i got paypal. shoot me a PM, thanks

[Wheelie]

PM sent.

[Wheelie]

Last has sold, I will have 3 more ready on Monday the 8th.

[Wheelie]

I have one 3 degree key ready and one 4 degree ready.

[ian0615]

pm me with your info, i would like the +3 key..i also have paypal.....how big a diff is the +3 vs the + 4...i am running 11:1 with stage 1 cam, on standard bore. thanks for you help!

[Wheelie]

Ian--PM Sent

[Wheelie]

+4 is sold

[Wheelie]

Last +3 is sold.


I do have a key that I made a mistake on--took of too much material--it'll give about 3.5 degrees of advance. $25 shipped w/puller.

[81-Honda-04]

would i have to run high octane fuel with the +3.5? if not then ill buy.

[Wheelie]

If you're running stock compression--you'll be safe on pump gas.

[ian0615]

I will tell yall what, if you got some decent motor mods, this +3 key is a must have. I put mine in night before last and rode yesterday and it was a world of improvement! the 400 already pulls a wheelie easily but it does it with no effort now, dont even have to clutch it to get it up, just blip the throttle and it pulls! Its exaclty what she needed. The tires would already spin thru the gears going down the dirt road now it really rips. like wheelie says though run 100 octane or better.

[paganmac_10]

Pm Sent

[Wheelie]

Last key is sold.

I plan on buying and cutting more in a couple weeks. If I get several requests for more, I'll speed up the process.

[Wheelie]

Just a FYI:


I finally got off my dead butt and ordered more OE keys this morning. I hope to have them by the 18th so I can machine them that weekend.


I plan on doing several +3's and thinking about doing a couple +4's as well.

The price is still $28 shipped through this site, I'm going to put a couple on ebay as well at $30.99 shipped.

[Pt's400ex]

Hey Wheelie I am getting inline already for a +3 key and puller. I have a 406 currently but will be putting in my 416 11:1 piston. I am hoping to switch over to E85 at that time. Are you still running the E85 and is there any difference in the mixture from time to time?

[Wheelie]

I'm still running E-85. The blends do change at the pump, depending on location and time of year. From my experience the blend changes aren't drastic enough to require jetting changes or cause a serious lean or rich condition.


For my area: Winter months E-85 is a minimum of 70% Ethanol, Spring and fall is a minimum of 74% Ethanol, and summer is a minimum of 79%.

Tune your machine for summer blend Ethanol.

[Wheelie]

+3 Keys are ready. $28 shipped through this site for key and puller.

I have them listed on ebay as well for 31.99 shipped, link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320551169099&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

[JOHNDOE83]

Hey wheelie, you may know I got that turbo project right?

I think im getting a slight detonation problem? a lil crystally on the plug and still white even with heavy jetting.

I think if I retard the timing it may help out alot? can you make a key to set the timing back a lil bit???

Do you think that will even help?

[Wheelie]

If you're having a detonation problem, then retarding the timing couldn't hurt.

Install the timing key backwards to retard the timing. To advance, the notch goes toward the rear of the quad with the piston at TDC. Retarding the timing would require the notch to be at the front with the piston at TDC.

[JOHNDOE83]

Ok, Im gonna run some tests tomorrow, Ill try to let you know asap.

[CJM]

Quick Q about the keys in general:

If you use a +6 or +3 key and since it calls to move the flywheel a bit-how do you adjust your valves properly unless you can verify TDC thru the sparkplug hole and not the marks on the flywheel.

Had heard something about sparks making a stepped key that didnt require you to advance the flywheel.

[Wheelie]

The sparks key moves the flywheel, any key that has a 'step' moves the flywheel.

[CJM]

And your key is stepped as well?

How the heck do you adjust the valves properly then?

[Wheelie]

Mine is stepped as well.

To adjust the valves, put the piston at TDC. 3 degrees difference isn't going to throw the TDC mark off so far as to cause valve adjustment issues.

[CJM]

Ah ok, I been wondering and wondering and wondering about all of this stuff and the valves.

You think the +6 key would have issue or like your +3 key be fine.

[Pt's400ex]

Has anybody ever tried just slotting the mounting holes for the ignition pulse generator. I think it would be easier then you could take it either way. Kinda like the timming plates on the Banshee where you can change the timming one degree at a time. Of course the location of it might be the problem I don't know. Jim

[Wheelie]

I don't think the +6 would create issues either.


Timing keys are cheap and simple. I don't know if moving the ignition pickup on a 400ex is possible. Even if it was, I wouldn't want to attempt it.

[CJM]

Cool, I think ill snap one of them up sooner or later. Gotta see how it pulls with a HC #2 and 416 11:1.

my mods are 12.5.1 piston 440 kit p&p head cyl. is decked 0.25 stage 2 hot cam hmf full pipe 06 450r carb 450 t/c will the key work for me +3

[Wheelie]

400ex's respond very well to the extra timing.

Eric--With your setup, I would try it only if your machine already has cooling mods and you run or have access to 110+ octane fuel.

i run 110 fuel in it what cooling mods do i need?

[profarmall]

Hi you you have any of the + 3 keys left? I need one have paypal wanting , Let me know where to send the money Thanks Ed

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by ericcrip
i run 110 fuel in it what cooling mods do i need?

If you do anything other than drag racing, a SPAL fan or a secondary oil cooler or both.

It might be overkill, but I'd rather err' on the safe side with my suggestions.

right now we drag race. but we will be woodsb racing next. so the key will work ? some times when we start it up it back lashies from the comp. it has been to a shop and that what thay said it was from.

[Wheelie]

The key will work, if you start to ride dunes or trails, then additional cooling will be a good idea.


If you do buy one of my keys, I'd like to see a before and after timeslip comparison, if possible. Seat of the pants is one thing, actual numbers prove it without a doubt.

[logant14]

you have any +4s ready i will probably get one this week

[Wheelie]

I haven't cut any +4's yet. If you want one, let me know and I'll go cut it.

[Wheelie]

TTT

[Wheelie]

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[Wheelie]

New Link, lower price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320564021270&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

[tEXas400]

wheelie, got a couple questions for you

first, can i use the hotrods +4 crank, with a powroll 87mm piston to build my 440 stroker?

second, if i were to build this motor with stage 3 cam, KW BD valves and springs, 450r carb, port and polish, full exhaust, what would be the timing key you would reccomend?

[Wheelie]

I don't think the hotrods stroker crank will work with a piston with the stock wrist pin location.

A +3 would work great with that setup, modified 400's respond very well to added timing. Higher octane fuel is a must, however.

[tEXas400]

can the hotrods 460 stroker be built to be reliable in your opinion

[Wheelie]

I don't have any personal experience with their product, so I can't offer an opinion.

I can say that my setup has been very reliable.

Any setup can be reliable if it's built right with quality components, tuned correctly and has sufficient cooling.

[odog]

Originally posted by tEXas400
can the hotrods 460 stroker be built to be reliable in your opinion mines has been pretty reliable for almost 2 years but you will need to upgrade everything else around it or its kinda pointless to have the 460

[tEXas400]

plan is

Kibblewhite +1 black diamond valves and springs

CRF450 timing chain

GT Studs

copper head gasket

already got a oversize aluminum oil tank, larger oil cooler, and a 5.2 inch spal puller

would these mods make it more bulletproof?

[Pt's400ex]

Well Wheelie I just ordered my key off of my E-Bay account hopefully I can get it by early next week. I would like to get it installed before that weekend so I can see if I need a higher octane fuel, hopefully not but we will see. Jim

I just seen in your sig the lightend flywheel how long have you had it? Do you think 12oz was too much? Any info would be great thanks.

[Wheelie]

I bought the flywheel off ebay a couple weeks ago and I love it. The throttle response is killer and the low end torque is much stronger. I can still let the clutch out in first gear without touching the throttle and not stall the engine.

From what I've seen so far, there isn't a down side to a lightened flywheel. The upside is tremendous.

Jim--

I'll send the key and puller out Monday--you'll have it by Weds or Thurs. The hard drive crashed on my computer, so I haven't been able to communicate as well as I'd like to.

[Pt's400ex]

That sounds good for the key that will give me plenty of time to put it in and test it first before taking it to ride sunday. I have 93 octane going through it right now but I know u said that it may not hold up to the compression and now with the timming. So this way if I need a higher octane I cam get that before I go and atleast mix it a little. As I type this I might wait for the puller to get here and look in to having my flywheel cut down and keep from pulling it twice.

The only problem is waiting for it to get done I absolutely hate seeing my bike in pieces sitting on the lift. But i need to change the oil and filter and check my valves for the first time since the rebuild. I am now impatiently waiting :D Jim

[hondaboy988]

I have a J.E. 12:1 compression piston and a stage 1 cam what advance are u thinking would be best for me i also run 110 octane race fuel

[Wheelie]

Hondaboy988--

The 110 fuel would work great with a +3 key and the 12:1 compression, however, HD head studs would be a must with this setup. Additional cooling would also be a good idea: SPAL Fan, oversize tank, etc.

The low end torque would be insane with the stg 1 cam and timing key with that amount of compression.

[PaRedneckRiders]

Do you have anymore keys, i checked on ebay and only saw the one with a puller (i dont really need the puller ive already got one)

im running an 11:1 426 that will have a stage 2 hotcam will also have 450r carb

could i get away with running premium pump gas (93octane in my area)

[Wheelie]

$15 shipped for just the key. I have several still available, however this will be my last batch made.

I wouldn't recommend running premium with 11:1 and one of my keys. I recommend 100+ octane or more with that setup. It might be overkill, better to err on the safe side than to run something on the ragged edge and potentially hurt something.

[PaRedneckRiders]

ok how do i order one again??

[Wheelie]

TTT

[Pt's400ex]

Wheelie u have PM

The key worked out great I now think I need to mix some 110 with it for now until I switch to E-85. So thanks again Wheelie.. Jim

[Wheelie]

Got the PM, I appreciate the feedback. Glad to hear you're happy with the key.

Jeremiah

[Wheelie]

Listed the keys w/o the puller on ebay today--Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320579382809&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT)

[Wheelie]

TTT

[cheater13]

would this be good for stock compression over the sparks key?

[Wheelie]

For a internally stock engine, I think the Sparks key would give better gains.

[Wheelie]

Relisted on ebay w/lower price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320593208434&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT


I'll let them go for $24 shipped thru this site for key and puller.

$12 shipped for just the key.

[Wheelie]

I cut more keys today. I have 5---3 degree keys and 1---4 degree key.

[mlabarca240]

I just rebuilt my 400 with a weisco 11:1, HC stage 1, +3 degree key, K&N filter with outerwears, slip-on and man does this thing pull!.....Until a 4wheel drive guy cut me off and hit him head on at about 35. Looks like Im in the market for more parts..BUT, Thanks Wheelie the key works great!

[jman7290]

I am interested in the key, how will it perform with my mods? Also, how do I go about purchasing this from you? Is it on Ebay?





05 440 11:1 Big Bore, Hot Cams stage 2, GT Thunder HD studs and HD timing chain, Ported & Polished, Trinity stage 4 full exhaust, Edelbrock Doug Eichner signature series 440 carb with billet spacer plate, AMR stage 3 CDI with Monster Coil, Procom voltage regulator, Uni Filter with Pro Design Billet intake adapter and aluminum air box with scoop and Outerwares , over sized aluminum oil tank with air ports, EMS high torque racing starter, Elka Elite front shocks with Full Flight +2 A-Arms, LoneStar +3 axcalaber axel with billet twin row bearing carrier, LSR brake block off, ITP Rims, DG Fat series swing arm skid, DG Pro nerf bars, DG V-Lite front bumper,DG case saver, OMF air scoops, Rox dash panel and hand gaurds, Precision steering stabilizer, Fasst Flexx bars, ODI locking Grips.

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by mlabarca240
I just rebuilt my 400 with a weisco 11:1, HC stage 1, +3 degree key, K&N filter with outerwears, slip-on and man does this thing pull!.....Until a 4wheel drive guy cut me off and hit him head on at about 35. Looks like Im in the market for more parts..BUT, Thanks Wheelie the key works great!

Glad to hear that you're happy with the key. Sucks about the quad, hope no one was hurt.

[Wheelie]

Originally posted by jman7290
I am interested in the key, how will it perform with my mods? Also, how do I go about purchasing this from you? Is it on Ebay?





05 440 11:1 Big Bore, Hot Cams stage 2, GT Thunder HD studs and HD timing chain, Ported & Polished, Trinity stage 4 full exhaust, Edelbrock Doug Eichner signature series 440 carb with billet spacer plate, AMR stage 3 CDI with Monster Coil, Procom voltage regulator, Uni Filter with Pro Design Billet intake adapter and aluminum air box with scoop and Outerwares , over sized aluminum oil tank with air ports, EMS high torque racing starter, Elka Elite front shocks with Full Flight +2 A-Arms, LoneStar +3 axcalaber axel with billet twin row bearing carrier, LSR brake block off, ITP Rims, DG Fat series swing arm skid, DG Pro nerf bars, DG V-Lite front bumper,DG case saver, OMF air scoops, Rox dash panel and hand gaurds, Precision steering stabilizer, Fasst Flexx bars, ODI locking Grips.

They are on ebay. I have just the key listed and the key and puller combo.

Your mods would respond very well to the added timing, however I don't know how well it would work with the AMR box.

As someone who has run that CDI before, personally I would remove the box and install the key in place of it. From my experience, the added timing of a timing key puts that CDI to shame.

If you do decide to buy a key, run atleast 100 octane fuel with your setup--not octane booster. Either AV gas or mix race gas with pump gas.

[jman7290]

If I get rid of my CDI I will loose 1200 RPM's, what can I do to cut out the rev limiter if I get rid of my AMR CDI? Where did you get your flywheel lightened? How noticeable is that mod?


05 440 11:1 Big Bore, Hot Cams stage 2, GT Thunder HD studs and HD timing chain, Ported & Polished, Trinity stage 4 full exhaust, Edelbrock Doug Eichner signature series 440 carb with billet spacer plate, AMR stage 3 CDI with Monster Coil, Procom voltage regulator, Uni Filter with Pro Design Billet intake adapter and aluminum air box with scoop and Outerwares , over sized aluminum oil tank with air ports, EMS high torque racing starter, Elka Elite front shocks with Full Flight +2 A-Arms, LoneStar +3 axcalaber axel with billet twin row bearing carrier, LSR brake block off, ITP Rims, DG Fat series swing arm skid, DG Pro nerf bars, DG V-Lite front bumper,DG case saver, OMF air scoops, Rox dash panel and hand gaurds, Precision steering stabilizer, Fasst Flexx bars, ODI locking Grips.

[Wheelie]

Do you use the extra RPM?

I bought the lightened flywheel, it made a big difference.

[Wheelie]

4---+3's left
1---+4 left

[Wheelie]

2 +3's left


1 +4 left

[Wheelie]

Just bought 10 more keys--2 are already sold.

I have:

7 +3's
1 +4

and 4 Flywheel Pullers left.

[CJM]

I know I asked this before Wheelie, but I want to make sure:

11:1 compression piston and a +3 key needs 100 octane or better, but a 10:1 and +3 key is good for 93 pump right?

[Wheelie]

11:1 with the +3 key I recommend 100 octane fuel.

10:1 with the +3 should be safe on 92 octane.

[CJM]

Thank you very much Wheelie, preciate it.

[Wheelie]

Still have 4 pullers and some keys available.

[Wheelie]

I have:

4--+3's left
1---+4 left----SOLD

2 pullers left.


I have to buy 25 pullers at a time, after these 2 are gone, I will no longer be offering pullers with the keys. After these keys are gone, it will probably be next winter before I have any more available.


Edit--+4 just sold.

[Johnb427]

I want a +3 and a puller. I can pay through paypal, what is your email?

[Wheelie]

PM Sent

[trailrider894]

I'll take a key a +3...

[Wheelie]

I only have 3 keys and 2 pullers left. One combo is on ebay right now.

John and Trail---PM's sent.

[chronicsmoke]

Originally posted by Wheelie
One combo is on ebay right now.



Not any more :p

[Wheelie]

I'm sold out of keys and pullers.

[chronicsmoke]

Originally posted by Wheelie
I'm sold out of keys and pullers.

I'm happy I jumped on the one you had on Ebay then!

[Wheelie]

I just ordered 5 more keys, I expect to have them next week and cut them on the weekend of August 6th.

I'm out of pullers, the keys will be $15 shipped to the US.

[Wheelie]

5 +3's are ready. $15 shipped if you buy direct through this site, I also have them listed on ebay: 400 Timing Key (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320740349607)

[Wheelie]

I have 3 left.

[Wheelie]

I have 2 left.

[Wheelie]

Last one is on ebay. I won't be cutting any more until May-June 2012.

[Wheelie]

I ordered 15 keys yesterday, I'll have more ready the weekend of April 7th.

[Wheelie]

Just got done cutting keys. I've got 11 +3's ready to go. I left 4 untouched in case someone wanted something different. $15 shipped through this site, they will ship within 1 business day.


I just put them on ebay:
Timing Key (http://www.ebay.com/itm/320880183858?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649)

[Wheelie]

Listed on ebay, I'm cutting the price until June 30th. Timing Keys (http://www.ebay.com/itm/320922855296?item=320922855296&viewitem=&vxp=mtr)

$10.95 Shipped if purchased directly through this site until June 30th.

[Wheelie]

I've got 3 left, 1 is currently listed on ebay. After these are gone, I'm not cutting any more.

[400exmxracer]

I pmd u my number, please contact me