New Ford Diesel

[Mud Goat]

rumor has it ford is no longer goin to have navistar made engines in its trucks for the 2010 model year. Anybody else heard this?

[BakerRacing40]

yep fords building their own. not sure what details have been released yet but with cat pulling out of on highway engine production but will still be in international trucks as testing/r and d.. might have something to do with it..?

[spanky101]

Ford is now making their own diesel for 2011 with is a new 6.7 called the "scorpion". Its supposed to be a legit motor but we will see what happens with it.

[Giz400ex]

This will be a in-house diesel motor. The word on the street is it will be 350-390hp. Also, like the Cummins needs 300,000 miles refresh, the new Ford will need it at 250,000. There is alot of first time things for there diesel, meaning that Ford is doing things on this motor that havent been done yet so????? Should be interesting but a little scary. Also, Ford is dropping the V10 and maybe the 5.4 and will be putting there proven 6.2 gas Boss in the Super Duty and putting up major HP's. Not sure what I'm doing yet :confused:

[witech]

I wonder how many have learned thier lesson from the last few diesels and never buy a first or second year ? I suspect few .
Hard to say if Ford will hold back to get the bugs worked out or rush a new beast into production as most do. There is a lot riding on it so I suspect they might forth a tremendous effort. Even though they had a lot of problems with the IH engines they still were their biggest cash cow.

[ben300]

it you look it up on teh interenet, theres pictures of it already...its supposed to be around 450hp and over 700 ft-lb stock from ford.....

ford lost there contract wtih international, and thats why they decided to go in house...

and i herd rumors that dodge might actually loose cummings

[matt14c]

Originally posted by ben300
it you look it up on teh interenet, theres pictures of it already...its supposed to be around 450hp and over 700 ft-lb stock from ford.....

ford lost there contract wtih international, and thats why they decided to go in house...

and i herd rumors that dodge might actually loose cummings

If things continue to keep going in the direction that they are dodge will be losing everything! :ermm:

[bens250ex]

the scorpian has been known for awhile, they have really been testing it alot and its suppose to be a great engine. they have spent alot i mean alot of time testing on this engine so it should be good to go. Some of the guys that work with the engine say it is a great engine and ford did not take the cheap way. they really did there work so we'll see. ..

there was rumor that ford was going to pick up cummins but they went a different rout with the scorpian..but with the cummins out today they prob will come out on top of cummins with the new scorpian engine.

[Dave400ex]

Originally posted by ben300
it you look it up on teh interenet, theres pictures of it already...its supposed to be around 450hp and over 700 ft-lb stock from ford.....

ford lost there contract wtih international, and thats why they decided to go in house...

and i herd rumors that dodge might actually loose cummings

Not 450hp, there are predictions of around 400hp and 700 ft-lb. Those would still be higher then current Dmax or Cummins.

Ford said they felt in house was important for the future.

[BakerRacing40]

so is it still a v style engine? inline engines are so much better...

[protraxrptr17]

It's a V-8 with reverse flow heads, basically a copy of the 4.5L Duramax. Time will tell. I don't really know what else to say. It may be good, but I doubt it.

[witech]

urea injection ? thats a switch for sure. I wonder how many truck guys will be happy with that instead of the advanced egr.

[hypersnyper6947]

As many problems ford has had with EGR in there 6.0 i would say i would like the urea injection better.

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/powerstroke-org-news/114279-video-ford-releases-seven-high-quality-videos-about-2011-super-duty.html

There has been lots of talking about the 6.7 on powerstroke.org a diesel forum im a part of, check out the link to learn more about the new Super Duty with the scorpion. Its gonna be a awesome motor for sure.

[brian76708]

navistar built the 6.0 right then ford turned it into crap with there retarted demands. so i can only imagine the crap this motor will be.

[KXRida]

Yah it's no big secret that ford will not be running the navistar motor. I haven't really heard much on the "scorpion" motor, but I guess we'll see. Come this spring/summer I'll be looking for an f-250/f-350. I'd like to find a new leftover, but who knows. I like my f150, but I want something I can tow a little more with. I'd like to build the ranger up some more and be able to tow that to the trails.

[witech]

Originally posted by brian76708
navistar built the 6.0 right then ford turned it into crap with there retarted demands. so i can only imagine the crap this motor will be.
I work on both and I assure you the ford version of all powerstrokes had much better parts and quality control that the navistar versions. From electronic controls to turbochargers the ford stuff just had better specs. Where IH used cheap tin plated connectors ford used gold and silver plating. Where IH used a cheapo good for one year mechanical fuel pump Ford used a tried and true electric pump. The list goes on and on. The 6.0 and now 6.4 had fundamental design mistakes with not enough head bolts and a bad injector design. There are fixes for most of them and they can be a decent engine .

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by Giz400ex
This will be a in-house diesel motor. The word on the street is it will be 350-390hp. Also, like the Cummins needs 300,000 miles refresh, the new Ford will need it at 250,000. There is alot of first time things for there diesel, meaning that Ford is doing things on this motor that havent been done yet so????? Should be interesting but a little scary. Also, Ford is dropping the V10 and maybe the 5.4 and will be putting there proven 6.2 gas Boss in the Super Duty and putting up major HP's. Not sure what I'm doing yet :confused: Just found out that they are keeping the v10 but dropping the 5.4.

[Pipeless416]

Originally posted by Giz400ex
Just found out that they are keeping the v10 but dropping the 5.4.

just in the super duties, correct?

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by Pipeless416
just in the super duties, correct? Considering GMC has there 6.2 @ 403hp in there 1/2 ton, I would say the 150's also but not sure:confused:

[gcart2]

Originally posted by Giz400ex
Considering GMC has there 6.2 @ 403hp in there 1/2 ton, I would say the 150's also but not sure:confused:

that cant be right unless they have an alternative. i heard roomers of a 6.0 gasser (is that the v10?) that will also be in the raptor.

[Pipeless416]

Originally posted by gcart2
that cant be right unless they have an alternative. i heard roomers of a 6.0 gasser (is that the v10?) that will also be in the raptor.

thats what i was thinking. i think its right around 400hp?

[gcart2]

just read its a 6.2. still reading.

cant find anything.

400hp 6.2 is all i can find.

[Jigsaw]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/24/2011-ford-super-duty-debuts-at-texas-state-fair-with-two-new-eng/

[extremeblastr]

Originally posted by gcart2
that cant be right unless they have an alternative. i heard roomers of a 6.0 gasser (is that the v10?) that will also be in the raptor.

6.2 ;) ford is also working on getting a turbo v6 into there 150 as part of their ecoboost line.

[Jigsaw]

They are dropping the v10 and using the 6.2l which will be in the raptor

[gcart2]

i spelt rumor roomer..... wow. im going to bed.

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by Jigsaw
They are dropping the v10 and using the 6.2l which will be in the raptor Mmmm, according to there website, they are NOT dropping the V10. For 2011, there V10 will be available in the SD's but only in the 450's and 550's.

[Mud Goat]

They aught to get CAT to desighn them a inline 6. Now that would be a rig. If i remember right Cat is who desighned the injection system in the old 7.3

[KXRida]

Originally posted by Jigsaw
They are dropping the v10 and using the 6.2l which will be in the raptor

The 6.2 is already offered in the raptor. Most come with the 5.4's though.

[Ex_Rider43]

the 6.2 engine is into production right now and the first Raptors with it should be available around february/march.

[sunco]

Yeah, gonna have to stick w/ my 7.3 crew.

Good luck to anyone that joins the book of the month club

50 - 60 K for a loaded big boy :(

[protraxrptr17]

Originally posted by Mud Goat
They aught to get CAT to desighn them a inline 6. Now that would be a rig. If i remember right Cat is who desighned the injection system in the old 7.3

Yeah, because a fuel system that requires a low pressure engine oil pump, a high pressure engine oil pump, a low pressure fuel pump, and 12V stepped up to 100V that passes thru the valve cover gasket was such a brilliant idea.:rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and the 3116 and 3126 were such reliable, fuel efficient, torque monsters. HAHAHAHAH!

[Mud Goat]

Originally posted by protraxrptr17
Yeah, because a fuel system that requires a low pressure engine oil pump, a high pressure engine oil pump, a low pressure fuel pump, and 12V stepped up to 100V that passes thru the valve cover gasket was such a brilliant idea.:rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and the 3116 and 3126 were such reliable, fuel efficient, torque monsters. HAHAHAHAH!

i was thinkin more 3406c :D