You be the judge

[Pappy]

Ok, another poll and discussion about a hot topic here

Here are the facts that I know...


14 year old girl and her 18 year old boyfriend are paid to preform sexual acts that are video taped by a 66 year old man

This spans over 5 months

The female and male are given alcohol and paid up to $500 for each act or occurance

Who is to blame?

You CAN select multiple choices in the poll!

[matt14c]

This a real case pappy? Charges filed?

[Pappy]

Yes sir

[matt14c]

On behalf of the girl were charges filed on her or the parents?

[Pappy]

Her mother took her to the police after learning of this.

[matt14c]

Hmm Well I dont know if they can really charge her. Not sure if they can charge for any underage drinking laws if the police dont really catch you in the act. Im guessing her bf will get statutory and same with the old man for taping and soliciting sexual acts. I blame the old man.

[JLanphear]

I blame the 3 of them involved.

[dehner47]

^^^^X2

[Pappy]

I included the girl in the poll simply because of teh span of time involved, the payments for the act and the fact that she, at anytime, could have told the authorities.

I have opinions on this, but do not want to steer the thread.

[hondariderdylan]

once the 14 and 18 year olds relationship went past being strictly plutonic(or however you spell it),that was illegal

the fact that they were sick enough for a 66 year old man to knowingly tape them, i say put the videos on the internet along with there name and addess and let people have a good laugh

i say all partys involved are at fault except the girls parents, thats not right, if your kids a whore and they sneak it around you without your knowledge, how can you help that?

[F-16Guy]

All of the above to one degree or another.

Girl -- Underage drinking (at a bare minimum)

Boy -- Statutory rape, contributing to the delinquency of a minor

Old Man -- Child Pornography, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, exploitation of a minor

Parents -- Criminal neglect (they allowed a 14yo to date an 18yo)

[Pappy]

Originally posted by hondariderdylan


i say all partys involved are at fault except the girls parents, thats not right, if your kids a whore and they sneak it around you without your knowledge, how can you help that?

If her parents had knowledge that she was dating a 17 then 18 (time span) boy, then I would interject that they are rsponsible to some degree

If they were unaware of the contact between them, I would have to ask why not?

[hondariderdylan]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
Parents -- Criminal neglect (they allowed a 14yo to date an 18yo)

thats the problem with people no adays
i dated a 18 year old when i was 15, we were smart about what we did, there was not a problem

people that get in trouble with that sort of thing act like there missing half there brain

[j_cyrus3]

I picked the 18 year old guy and the 14 year old girl. It doesn't say they were forced to do it. So I wouldn't really blame it on the old man, even though he is a pervert.

Edit: the old man should get charges of some kind though.

[Guy400]

All 3 based on the facts as presented. The old man knowingly paid an underage girl to perform illegal acts. The 18 year old knowingly had illegal sex with a minor. The 14 year old girl has a stake in the fault because at that age you have an understanding of right and wrong. At any time she could've told a parent, authorities, etc.

I did not, however, place any blame on the parents and the only reason I didn't because as the story was presented to us it did not mention the level of their knowledge of the boy. It doesn't say they knew he was a boyfriend and it didn't even say they knew who the boy was. For all we know the girl could've said she was going to a friends house, walked down the street and then ducked into the house where the filming took place. It also didn't specify how many times these shoots took place. Was it once, twice, 100? I guarantee to any parent here any of our children could get into trouble at least once without our knowledge. We do not hold their hand 24 hours a day and given the best parenting in the world adolescents still make a decision for themselves.

[Guy400]

Originally posted by j_cyrus3
I picked the 18 year old guy and the 14 year old girl. It doesn't say they were forced to do it. So I wouldn't really blame it on the old man, even though he is a pervert.

Edit: the old man should get charges of some kind though. Your right, he didn't force them to do it but he provided them with alcohol to reduce their inhibitions and requested they have sex while he taped it and beyond that he paid them to do it. He shares a large part of the blame here.

[extremeblastr]

with what i've been given for info here i think the girl should get a slap on the wrist and the force of the blame lands on the boyfriend and the old man. no matter how you look at it 14yr olds are very immature and easy to manipulate....

[Pappy]

This is in WV, several of the filmings took place in Delaware

The information provides that on atleast 15 occasions these acts/filming took place

In order for the girl to be taken to DE, one can only assume her parents had knowledge of their relationship

[extremeblastr]

Originally posted by Pappy
In order for the girl to be taken to DE, one can only assume her parents had knowledge of their relationship

i don't agree, how many times have you seen girls like that tell their parents they are going to a friends house for a few days and the parents say "ok hun have a good time call us if you need anything". it doesn't change the fact that they didn't fulfill their responsibilities as parents but it is very possible they had no clue. my question is how did her mother find out if she did indeed escort her to the police to make a statement?

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by Pappy
If they were unaware of the contact between them, I would have to ask why not?
Because he's a teenage boy, so if there isn't contact, there are multiple daily attempts, and the parents should acknowlege that fact. It might not seem right, but in the eyes of the law it's illegal, regardless of their history.

And because in teenage years, 14 and 18 are worlds apart. Like letting a 3yo hang out with a 7yo. Not a recipe for a good outcome.

[hondariderdylan]

ok parents take the hit on this one too after knowing that info^^

[k4f5x0r]

theres should be a 6th poll. i dont know if thats possible though.

the 3 involved. the girl her boyfriend and the old man.

I think she should get hit with underage drinking but other then that theres not too much she can get slapped on the wrist for.

boyfriend- supplying to minors, sex with a minor, exploiting a minor

old man-supplying to minors, exploiting a minor.

dont know any of the actual legal terms so bare with me :p

the girls parents shouldnt be to blame at all. she's sneaking around with an older guy and doing things with him he can go to jail for.

girl must be pretty stupid to even be video taped. if any of that video ever gets out her life will be ruined.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by extremeblastr
i don't agree, how many times have you seen girls like that tell their parents they are going to a friends house for a few days and the parents say "ok hun have a good time call us if you need anything". it doesn't change the fact that they didn't fulfill their responsibilities as parents but it is very possible they had no clue. my question is how did her mother find out if she did indeed escort her to the police to make a statement?

Ofcourse, the girl could have snuck around and lied, but a responsible parent would have made sure the information was accurate, especially if it was an out of state trip. Even 25 years ago, I know my parents would have called the parents of someone I was intending on going far from home with, and being a female i can only imagine that being even more of a concern in this day and age. In either case, this places more blame on the girl.

The info does not include how the mother found out. It does state that she (the mother) knew of a check for $500 cashed in DE...which could have started the questions and the subsequent revalation of all this.

[usp4u]

The whole Delaware things throws another dynamic into it here. If the old man was selling these vids then it could go Federal if there where any Interstate transactions.
Old man=corrupt. of minor/contrib. to delinquen./provid. alcohol/kiddie porn/kid porn disribution/ probably 20 more charges there

boyfreind=statutory/contrib. to delinq./kiddie porn

girl=consuling in order, but no law against beign a whore/could be charged if she had knowlage if the video was for sale.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r


girl must be pretty stupid to even be video taped. if any of that video ever gets out her life will be ruined.

It is appearant that she was a willing participant in the filming for money. One can argue that at 14 she did not have the mental capacity to know exactly what would happen or could happen but she is old enough to know right from wrong...or I would suspect atleast

Trust me, tyhe 66 year old should hang, and the 18 year old should see time and some serious consuling along with the girl.

[k4f5x0r]

from the story it seems like she was completely willing to do whatever for the booze and money but at her age(and this is coming from someone who is 15) she couldnt completely understand the consequences of the actions she was doing. That or she faught her concience knowing that she shouldnt be doing any of what was listed.

again or the alchohol couldve give her false judgement, or perhaps some persuading from her boyfriend or some the 66 year old man.


jesus the world is messed up :p

[TM426]

In order to give my honest opinion, I must view the evidence privately. J/K

There would have to be a way to charge the old man for hiring a minor to perform illicit acts. The boyfriend should get charged for sex with a minor. Everyone is to blame here. The parents should never have allowed the daughter date the boy/young man . The old man made the mistake of not checking obviously a young couples identifications when filming porn and serving alcohol. Everyone is to blame and should have known better. I'm sure the parents learned their lesson and hopefully the girl. The men should definitely have charges pressed.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r


jesus the world is messed up :p

Couldnt agree more. Hopefully some of these threads will make someone stop and think a bit:p

I have a few more coming up....some I have to avoid because the info is so sick that I really dont wnat them on the site:ermm:

I blame everyone besides the 66 year old man lol. He threw out some bait and found people dumb enough to agree. Atleast he was nice enough to pay. But seriously some parents just fail at life, how could you not teach your kids about the i've got candy van or old herbert the pervert?

[rageatvsupermom]

Every last one of them!!!!!!! You could argue that the girl was not
mature enough to understand but I disagree, she knew what she was doing if this went on 15 or more times. The parents must not
care what thier daughter is doing to allow this, there are ways to
keep up to date with your kids without being too nosey. Asking a few questions and having a cerfew to name couple. Parents now
days don't want to be responsible and allow many to do what they wish, that in itself is enough to ruin this country.

What a shame!!!!!!!!!

[j_cyrus3]

Have a seat right over there....

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Ethired/1184367762037.jpg

[Pappy]

BTW...the 66 year old dude is a prominant high class washington dc lawyer


Nice to see those making things happen in our world are sick and twisted:ermm:

[ZeroLogic]

If the girl agreed, I blame the parents. If she didn't, or had to be intoxicated to agree I blame her boyfriend.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by FlewByU352
I blame everyone besides the 66 year old man lol. He threw out some bait and found people dumb enough to agree. Atleast he was nice enough to pay. But seriously some parents just fail at life, how could you not teach your kids about the i've got candy van or old herbert the pervert?

Not blame the old man? For serving alcohol to minors, and filming child pornography? He is the first one to be blamed. The b/f should be charged with statatory rap. The parents should know better than to let their 14 yr old daughter to be dating an 18 yr old boy. Its obvious sex was gonna be a factor. Young children are easy to manipulate, whether she wanted to do it or not. Its still not right.


BOTTOM LINE.... Everyone is to blame. Starting with the old man, then the b/f. And equally to the parents and child. JMO

[reptikes]

From a moral and legal stand piont the Old Man is at fault. What he did is wrong (along with her SAID boyfriend) they took advanage of her and committed a crime. She's 14 (14 year olds are not mature mentally). , 14 year old girls will do what ever to please and keep their SAID boyfriends.
The AGIAN, SAID boyfriend of the girl is to blame because what he was doing was also illegal and morally wrong.
If the parents knew they are to blame too.
The girl to blame for having bad judgement... but thats part of being a KID. Which is what she is!

[usp4u]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/usp4u/Free_Candy.jpg

[reptikes]

Originally posted by rageatvsupermom
Every last one of them!!!!!!! You could argue that the girl was not
mature enough to understand but I disagree, she knew what she was doing if this went on 15 or more times. The parents must not
care what thier daughter is doing to allow this, there are ways to
keep up to date with your kids without being too nosey. Asking a few questions and having a cerfew to name couple. Parents now
days don't want to be responsible and allow many to do what they wish, that in itself is enough to ruin this country.

What a shame!!!!!!!!!

Some 14-15 year old girl are VERY, VERY Immature, and easy to persuade. I've seen 14-16 year old girls do ANYTHING when drunk. things they wouldn't talk about when sober. And it would happen everytime they got drunk (thats why they were brought to the parties in the first place). And the things i've seen them do for 1 $5 hit of crack... is rediculous!

i started dating my wife when she was 16 and i was 19. i am not saying that the boy was a good match for a girl, but the parents should not be held responsible for allowing this unless they knew that the boy was trouble...maybe they even tried to stop their relationship, but teens can be pretty hotheaded...and hard to control at times...

i'll say this though, i knew her father before i knew her as we were both members of a volunteer fir department. he is one of best friends, 16 years later. they were very strict with the time we had together, one of the parents or the younger brother was always there...very rarely did we eve have any alone time...

[hondariderdylan]

there are very screwed up people in this world

a while back there was a big thing about the president of the FIA(sanctioning body of formula 1) having holocuast fantasies played out and videotaped and it was all over the internet, i googled it and saw a video clip, i shake my head at him:rolleyes:

strange people:ermm:

[reptikes]

Originally posted by speedyquad
i started dating my wife when she was 16

14 and 16 aren't the same thing. Sometimes they are usaully they aren't.

Originally posted by usp4u
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/usp4u/Free_Candy.jpg

damn it everyone knows what my van looks like now lol can you post this for me in the post your vehicles thread? I couldnt find my car picture folder.

[BLU82]

I bet the two teens were doing it anyway, so when some old guy offered them money they figured why not.