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[mxpimp2000]

just wantin to get a idea on a price for this winter rebuild. it will be few months before i send these parts but i have my mind made up so this will be my order when im ready to shipp

yfz450

front/rear hubs: gloss white
spindles: stealth black
stock swingarm:stealth black
gibson lower a-arms: stealth black
gibson upper a-arms:stealth black
stock subframe:stealth black



the only parts that have any coatings are the arms everything else is bare aluminum also will i need to remove the front wheel bearings?

[Pappy]

front/rear hubs: gloss white $20 each
spindles: stealth black $20 each
stock swingarm:stealth black $55
gibson lower a-arms: stealth black $35
gibson upper a-arms:stealth black $30
stock subframe:stealth black $45

Yes, or i can remove them for you. All white will recieve a primer base, same with teh stealth

[mxpimp2000]

280.00 is that with return shipping?

[Pappy]

Yeah that will work for you:p

[mxpimp2000]

hey pap i found me another swinger i was goin to have the guy just ship it to u and u coat it that way i wouldnt have to pay shipping 2x.

whats the cheapest color to do i would like it black or white or sumthin in that nature

[Pappy]

Most any solid color is the cheapest

thats fine on the shipping

[mxpimp2000]

well wat would that run me?

[Pappy]

Aftermarket swingarms are $65

Thats stripping, primer, color and clear depending on the base color chosen.

[mxpimp2000]

this is a stock swinger off an 08 not coated its bare. and ill do black since its a swinger and they get pretty dirty and greasey

[Pappy]

oh my bad:p Stockers are $55

No worries, just keep me in the loop so I can look for it when it arrives

[mxpimp2000]

alrighty will do im gonna get it as long as he dont back out on me. 55 is with return shipping right? also the needle bearings need to be taken out and put in, hook me up paps

[Pappy]

Shipping to you will be $10

I will take care of the bearings for ya

[mxpimp2000]

65 done deal. thanks paps ill let u knw when its coming

[mxpimp2000]

ok pappy i got my bike to bare frame and parts are ready to ship. im not gonna send everything you quoted me just yet.

gibson arms uppers: white (gloss)
gibson arms lowers: black whatever is strongest

i cannot get the clips that holds the bearings/balljoints out. shoot me a quote with shipping on that and let me know if u can save my bearings

btw the white frame you PC'd 4me is gonna be sharp when im done with the build, thanks and let me know

[Pappy]

On Gibson arms, I believe you will atleast have to buy new clips

[mxpimp2000]

ok thats kool ill buy the clips or you can get them and put them in after u PC them. either way we will work out something.

whats the price for uppers white and lowers black? if you want just remove the spherical bearings and pc them you dont have to press them back in just ship them back with the arms. hook me up paps

[Pappy]

A Arm sets are $65 + $10 return shipping. That includes pressing out the ball joints.

[mxpimp2000]

they will get shipped when the post office opens

thanks

[mxpimp2000]

forgot to ask where i need to ship these lol :D

[mxpimp2000]

can i get a addy to ship to?? also i got the clips and bearings out they are ready for blast and coating. also i may send some other little things in with the arms u can give me a final price after you get the parts.

[Pappy]

BK Performance
84 Chase Lane
Hedgesville WV
25427


Yep no problem on the other parts

[mxpimp2000]

i just got my new stock swinger last night ill be sending that and the arms. since the arms dont need any bearing removal and the swinger is clean and uncoated give me a shipped price.

also 1 bottom a arm has been rubbing something on the bike before i got the arms and made the balljoint housing thin at the bottom is there anyway u can just weld it and grind it smooth so it wont be soo thin? ill post u a pic

[mxpimp2000]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o224/mxpimp2000/101_0813-1.jpg

[Pappy]

Price is the same, I wasnt charging you extra to remove them...and I will look at what I can do when I get the arm as far as that thin spot.

[mxpimp2000]

65 for arms and 55 for swinger? how well would candy blue hold up on swinger and arms?

[Pappy]

They do pretty good. The arms take the beating from roost if you aint first:devil:

[mxpimp2000]

i want something that will hold up well and still look good, i have a bumper thats pc black and after 1 season its really dull and lost its shine. i dont want texture black because that stuff is hard to clean.

i either want candy blue or some heavy duty black or something that will look good with white frame what do you think?

[Pappy]

I always go with a gloss black with clear for durability.

[mxpimp2000]

i guess thats what ill do and u do tape up the bearing housings and the housing in the swinger for the bearing carrier?

[Pappy]

Nope, I let you dig, sand and cuss it out:eek: :D

Everything that needs to be taped or plugged will be;)

[mxpimp2000]

thats what would happen if i had to id cuss it and give up on it, lol im gonna ship usps and forget stupid fed-ex :D

[mxpimp2000]

last minute color change to blue vein with clear, parts are boxed and will be shipped tomorrow. blue vein is a solid color correct??

thanks

[Pappy]

No, Bluevein is a silvervein basecoat with a candy blue topcoat

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
No, Bluevein is a silvervein basecoat with a candy blue topcoat

do you have any solids that is close to candy blue? if not then black is fine its just hard makin up my mind

[Pappy]

Not many solids will come close. I wont charge you any extra for it if its what you want

[mxpimp2000]

well ill ship them tomorrow and let me know when u get them ill make up my mind in the mean time

thanks

[mxpimp2000]

parts arrive today?

[Pappy]

If they were sent USPS I will get anotice to go pick them up...mail hasnt run yet today

[mxpimp2000]

tracking said they were delievered on the 7th lol:eek2:

[Pappy]

We dont get packages delivered to our mailbox, its over a mile down the drive. Boxes would be stolen if they left them. The post office will have it, they will send me a slip and we will run to town to pick them up. Welcome to USPS

[mxpimp2000]

im not in a SUPER hurry i just like knowing you got my parts. cant afford to replace them

[Pappy]

Picked up a box today, pretty sure these are yours....now off to stripping

[mxpimp2000]

sweet, let me knw if that arm is fixable or if you can do anything to help it.

thanks

[Pappy]

Yep this box was yours. They will be taken to stripping tomorrow and will be ready for me next week.

[mxpimp2000]

disregard that PM i sent you about the lowers being white i was thinking that would be too much white and dont want it to look bulky

[mxpimp2000]

any good news?

[Pappy]

Just waiting on the arms to come back from stripping. Swinger is ready to shoot, but no sense in doing them at different times

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
Just waiting on the arms to come back from stripping. Swinger is ready to shoot, but no sense in doing them at different times

i understand that just keeping up to date im stoked to get them:D

[Pappy]

No worries. They kind of let me down, I stopped at the strippers yesterday fully expecting to pick up a batch but they had nothing ready.....hung up and ready for teh burn off oven but I reckon they couldnt find the means to turn it on and push the rack in LOL

Hows the hunt going for work down there? Ive been worryin bout ya since we chatted last. Hate to see this kind of stuff.

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
No worries. They kind of let me down, I stopped at the strippers yesterday fully expecting to pick up a batch but they had nothing ready.....hung up and ready for teh burn off oven but I reckon they couldnt find the means to turn it on and push the rack in LOL

Hows the hunt going for work down there? Ive been worryin bout ya since we chatted last. Hate to see this kind of stuff.



GOOD NEWS! they called me back to work tuesday so i got my job back!:D

any hope on getting anything done before new years?

[Pappy]

Hey that is good news!

Yeah I dont see any issues. They should be done monday and I can do them immediatley.

I did get the other pm, but please post your final colors so I can do them the minute I walk back in the shop with them. The work load has gone off the chain for the week between Christmas and New Years so your arms and a few complete quads will get rolled out before the holidays to make room for the others that will be stripped next week. I aint complainin'...glad to have the work rolling in for winter!

[mxpimp2000]

i want the blue vein with clear but does the clear coat make it look diff? i noticed on your red vein with clear it looked more red than vein. Durability is the key but i gotta have the candy blue and i figured the vein with clear would hold up a little better than just plain candy blue

[Pappy]

The candy blue top coat is a tinted clear, all translucents are tinted clears.

The issue you have with running a candy over a vein color is you have to balance the amount of powder you apply (top coat) to fully cover the part and not get it too thick as to cause durability issues. Its a catch22 with a vein because of its textured construction, you have to apply enough of the top coat to help fill the vien and get a smooth finish.

The difference you see in pictures is more related to changes in lighting then changes in color, however on some parts you have to apply the powder a tad thicker to get even coverage so there can be times when you may see a color shift between different jobs but usually within a batch of work I can make them all look the same.

Personally, I like doing the bluevein or redvein on parts that have alot of reflective surface. Doing arms and even a frame ...it just doesnt seem to show the effect nearly as much.

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
The candy blue top coat is a tinted clear, all translucents are tinted clears.

The issue you have with running a candy over a vein color is you have to balance the amount of powder you apply (top coat) to fully cover the part and not get it too thick as to cause durability issues. Its a catch22 with a vein because of its textured construction, you have to apply enough of the top coat to help fill the vien and get a smooth finish.

The difference you see in pictures is more related to changes in lighting then changes in color, however on some parts you have to apply the powder a tad thicker to get even coverage so there can be times when you may see a color shift between different jobs but usually within a batch of work I can make them all look the same.

Personally, I like doing the bluevein or redvein on parts that have alot of reflective surface. Doing arms and even a frame ...it just doesnt seem to show the effect nearly as much.

if you think candy blue would be more durable and easier to shoot then have away with it. either way im happy, both colors have candy blue in it. suprise me with it. when u get them done just post a pic or 2 that'll make it more exciting lol

[Pappy]

Its your call 100%, given the two choices I would say run a candy blue and see how they do. The worse that can happen is you bang the snot out of them and they get redone during a break in the race season:p

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
Its your call 100%, given the two choices I would say run a candy blue and see how they do. The worse that can happen is you bang the snot out of them and they get redone during a break in the race season:p

yea sounds like a good idea. i like how it has a color shift to a dark blue to a bright do you have any more pics of CBT? whats the diff in those 2?

[Pappy]

CBT and Candy blue are the same

[mxpimp2000]

ok kool just let me know when u get em. take a few pics if you dont care so i can use them in my build thread

thanks

[mxpimp2000]

i can go ahead and pay you that way when u get them u can shoot them and get them out without having to wait on payment

[Pappy]

Paypal is bkperformance@verizon.net

[mxpimp2000]

payment sent. i put my home addy because i know you like shipping fed-ex and thats fine with me just double triple wrap them lol couldnt believe the frame arrived like it did. :D

also ill be sending you some walsh a arms around the 12th of jan. ill let u know when they go out. just an early heads up:D

i might throw some little pieces in the box so i wont have to make a special shipment

[mxpimp2000]

how much are 8 inch beadlock rings only? $10ea.?

[Pappy]

Yeah as long as they are bare when sent

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
Yeah as long as they are bare when sent

okie dokie...ill throw some in with the arms when they come up there..my parts get done at strippers? imma change my mind on colors again lol jk

[Pappy]

Should be ready tomorrow for me, they were closed monday and today they was diggin out of this damn snow!

I wish it could snow one day, be there the next day and GONE the day after:p

[mxpimp2000]

ok sounds good...are you going to be shooting any white parts by chance?

[Pappy]

I can if needed:p

[mxpimp2000]

well ive been seeing alot of different builds and different setups and i believe i would like the lowers white instead of them all 4 being CB, i think it would give it a better flow with the frame being white. just spray them thick as snot and clear everything lol:p

[Pappy]

will do:p

[mxpimp2000]

the strippers ever get on the ball?

[Pappy]

Yep, got them back thursday evening.

Got the new arm color ....but want to verify the swinger color before it gets shot just to make sure

[mxpimp2000]

candy blue swinger
candy blue top arms
white gloss bottoms

do you think they will get here before the weekend

[Pappy]

roger that....

I have been shooting black all weekend and will be doing candy blue either monday evening or tuesday(as soon as im done all the black) so we are looking good.

[mxpimp2000]

if theres anyway you could get them to me before the weekend id settle for black

[Pappy]

LOL...its completely up to you. I just cant stop black to do the white but in any event ...and in any color, you should see them by this weekend, just let me know because once I get rolling tomorrow I will be knocking out everything here thats prepped

[mxpimp2000]

i didnt know if fed ex would be running due to new years eve and new years day.

if theres no delay with the CB and white then just let it roll with those colors i was just thinkin it would be faster and easier for you, but you being a pro keeps things in schedule:D

[Pappy]

Its all good...I have an engine cover that has to go CB as well so regardless I will be shooting that color, and the white can be done immediatley after wards.

Fed Ex ...I will check their schedule if not I will use USPS but they should ship tuesday and should only be a 1 day ship to you so I dont see any issues with them arriving thursday, possibly even wednesday.

[mxpimp2000]

i checked fed ex and they will run everyday except friday the 1st. and sat. 2nd

im off work from wed-sun and will be pretty boring so thought id knock out alot of the build

thanks

[Pappy]

Everything will ship on wednesday...would ship tomorrow but I ran into an issue and have to redo the uppers which will be done tomorrow

[mxpimp2000]

so you think wednesday and thursday will give them time to deliever it to ky?

what happen on the uppers?

[Pappy]

I havent fully figured out what happened. I ended up with an oven full of parts with fish eyes so I am thinking a filter came apart or my line drier quit. it wasnt the entire batch but half of it that I have to redo....which sucks:p

I will probably ship these via USPS so they will arrive friday or saturday due to fed ex not having saturday delivery

[mxpimp2000]

dang that does suck. usps will be open saturday but not on friday.

priority is 2-3 days i say if u shipped them late tomorrow (2-3pm) or early wednesday they might make it before saturday.

[Pappy]

I will do my best, I cant make them work a holiday:p

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
I will do my best, I cant make them work a holiday:p

as long as it aint sacraficing the quality then im down with that.

[Pappy]

No worries, I could have sent these out and you probably never would have noticed but I strive to do the best I can do and cant let parts roll out that i wouldnt run on my own quad:p

Cody said he would strip them tonight or first thing in the morning (as soon as I finish going through the air system) so if all goes well I might have them redone and out of here tomorrow

[mxpimp2000]

thats awesome! i prb bug the crap outta ya over them but id rather have the best do them and not a hack job that wouldnt hold up to races

[Pappy]

Originally posted by mxpimp2000
id rather have the best do them

Why do I hear my dads words echoing through my head....

"if youre so damn good, then why are we redoing this job" LOL

[mxpimp2000]

hahaha thats funny but accidents happen that you cant control or should we say equipment fails and S*** happens lol

[Pappy]

Ok, all packaged and awaiting Fed Ex pick up

Found the culprit as well.....someone spayed down a shotgun with silicone which found its way into the shop:grr:

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
Ok, all packaged and awaiting Fed Ex pick up

Found the culprit as well.....someone spayed down a shotgun with silicone which found its way into the shop:grr:

did u see what the estimated delievery was or are they pretty quick with shipping

thats wierd. a shotgun and silicone lol:D

[Pappy]

693967610002951

They usually pick up here before 5pm, should arrive thursday

[mxpimp2000]

just wanted to check what addy u had it sent to? im thinkin not the po box since its fed-ex.

thanks

[Pappy]

Sent them to the addy that was included with the paypal and it matched the addy I have on file for ya

[mxpimp2000]

got them today. looks good and thanks

i got a bad problem with one of my uppers. i was puttin the bearings and heims in the right upper and everything was going good until one of the heims just stopped. it wont screw in or out. ive clamped on the heim with vicegrips and tried so hard i jammed my wrist up. idk if i gotta buy a new arm now or what i hope not and i didnt cross thread it because it went 1/2 way then just quit

[mxpimp2000]

finally got it back out and the threads are shot. now wat to do??:confused:

[Pappy]

You can chase the threads if you buy the right tool.

Worse case, send the arm back to the manufacture and they can re-thread it and if needed I will re-pc it for free for ya.

[mxpimp2000]

Originally posted by Pappy
You can chase the threads if you buy the right tool.

Worse case, send the arm back to the manufacture and they can re-thread it and if needed I will re-pc it for free for ya.

i appreciate it man..would a helicoil or whatever it is work? ill try to get u a pic of it because its pretty smooth i dont see any threads.

wierd thang is the heim joint end threads were fine until u get to the very tip of it idk how that happen either

[Pappy]

Hard to say....thats one reason why I dont like diassembling or reassembling parts for people...you dont know what will be fine or when you run into an issue.

My friend Greg sent me a houser stem, said the nut was on their by hand....it took a pipe wrench to get it loose and when it broke it literally snapped off the end of the stem.

A geuss is that the threads on the heim were boogered up and maybe caused the issue but its a geuss. I assume a heli coil would work BUT IMO it would be better to have the company either replace the entire end if they couldnt run a tap in there to make sure no metal burs are in the threads. If you used a helo coil, you would have to drill out that arm and that will be a rough job seeing its chromoly

A local machine shop should be able to handle it as well....

[mxpimp2000]

so its not steel? its chromoly?

[Pappy]

Your arms are chromoly....the heims are what ever they are made form but its alot softer then the arm. Usually the threads are fine in the arm , its the heim that get s a nick or burr.

[mxpimp2000]

well the heim went in the arm with little force at all then came to a stop and wouldnt move in or out. i had to use a pair of vice grips and a cheater bar to get it out.

once it came out the threads on the heim where good until the very tip about 3-4 threads but the rest of the heim was fine. the arm was trashed and no threads remain.

i hate calling k and k because they are the only ppl u can buy gibson or the gibson hardware from. they are never to polite or helpful when i call them. but i hope something will be done.

[Pappy]

Just a geuss, but it sounds like your heim was either damaged or you dinged it re-installing it. Maybe a small piece gave way and thats what locked it up.

See if you can reach Shawn at K&K and tell him I sent you, ask him if he can rethread that arm or cut you a deal on another. If he cant repair it or repairs it but the arm needs re-pc'd, just have him ship it direct to me.

The threads may be good in the arm but filled with metal from the heim (agian, just geussing)