tnt's son 10 place on last national event!!!!!!

[andiboy123]

here are the result of his class and this was his first nationals on the can am..... lets see how he get for next season!!!!!!
and congrats btw!!!!!!!!!
08 - Open A
Overall Number Brand Name City,State Moto 1 Moto 2
1 494 HON Jeremy R. Tulenchik Pequot Lakes, MN 1 1
2 791 HON Brandon Ward Jumping Branch, WV 5 2
3 30/ SUZ Lucas Lamons Bulls Gap, TN 4 3
4 102 SUZ Dustin W. Rhymer Troy, IL 3 4
5 26 KTM Derek Swart***er Knox, PA 1 8
6 60 HON Rocky Heupel Five Points, TN 5 6
7 419 SUZ Chase Cunningham Morehead, KY 2 9
8 2 SUZ Tc Nales Lutz, FL 3 10
9 30 YAM Derrick Mcmillion Mount Hope, WV 10 5
10 101 CAN Trever R. Portier Derby, KS 9 7

[TNT]

It was a brutally HOT weekend and we were overheating all weekend. The quad idled fine but when it got hot if you didn’t stay on the throttled it died..... happen twice in critical races, the engine light would come on till cool which is no biggie w/limp removed but it throws a ecu code. Saturday we started out good in the morning placed 3rd in the 16-24 moto 2/division 2, then got hot dies in the main Sunday. Open A it died moto 1/division on the track so we went to LCQ toward the evening and won! Placed 7th in the Sunday main.

We started at home with idle and start up problems we couldn’t figure out but with the help of Warnert team we hooked up to BUDDS at the track and found our throttle postion sensor (TPS) was off, once we reset that we ran a little better but still died when we got hot. We had some fault codes, coolant and starter solenoid we cleared, but not sure that has anything to do with it. I’m thinking we are still not tunned correctly and are running lean at high RPM or a CTS maybe. Once we figured out you can’t let off the gas we could get through a moto fairly decently.

We got some overheat bugs to work out, I’m not disappointed with our results or the quad considering the quad is still a prototype and being tested. Plus that Open A Class is a very fast class and so is 16/24, and this was the only national we ran this season and on a new quad. Nationals of this magnitude take some experience both quad and racer. Next season if all works out we will attend them all and put the Can am up front once we got the bug’s ironed out, probably a 2010…

We got the SSI graphics on quad looks sweet! Thanks Ian.

Thanks for the kudo’s Rockstar Aniboy….good to be home!

:D

Pictures to follow……..Just got back I got to get settled first…..

[ltr311]

Nice job that class has super fast bikes. I know for a fact that Dereks Ktm is pushing around 65whp. Its super fast.

16/24 has a super fast Ktm in it also owned by ronnie higgerson. his bike is pushing around 60whp. I sold him a 42.5 carb and both my hmf pipe and dasa pipe. His bike is setup almost identical to mine but i have a 505 and a 43mm carb.

Good job and good luck.

[kpracing12]

Where did the graphics come from? Looks great. Also congrats.

[X400EX]

Good job! Looks like you had the same problem that I had with mine at my first race.

[TNT]

SSI did the graphics....

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[TNT]

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[TNT]

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[TNT]

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[Co_Racer]

TNT get that big plate off blocking all the AIR may help

[SilverBomb]

TNT, that's a dang good looking DS! Thanks for the sweet pics!!

[HOBS DS450]

Congrats and Nice pics! Thanks for sharing!!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure they have to run a bumper number. I have heard that its hurts cooling though. Need to run a number like Natalie's.

[ProspectorJim]

TNT you need to enter your ds for quad of the month and finally get a canal up there. Beautiful quad!

[TNT]

Thanks for all the compliments on the quad, it did turn out nice looking and it’s a powerhouse with lots of low-mid torque w/excellent handling from the PEPs too.

I think our problem is our MAP is off since we tuned to a bad TPS setting. When we hooked up to Budds at the track we were not running hot, about 225F. Either that or we blew our PC 3 from getting it wet.

I think I will get rid of the recovery tank and weld a PWR lid on the radiator like the race team is doing and they sell a seat bracket.

A number plate like Natalie, your right HOBs or what about that bumper that lowers a big one, was it Pro-Armor?

How about a bigger fan, anyone had any success?....What are my options there? I heard the race team runs one but I forgot to ask which one? Running the fan always on draws to much on the battery....how did you all wire that?

[HOBS DS450]

Originally posted by TNT
Thanks for all the compliments on the quad, it did turn out nice looking and it’s a powerhouse with lots of low-mid torque w/excellent handling from the PEPs too.

I think our problem is our MAP is off since we tuned to a bad TPS setting. When we hooked up to Budds at the track we were not running hot, about 225F. Either that or we blew our PC 3 from getting it wet.

I think I will get rid of the recovery tank and weld a PWR lid on the radiator like the race team is doing and they sell a seat bracket.

A number plate like Natalie, your right HOBs or what about that bumper that lowers a big one, was it Pro-Armor?

How about a bigger fan, anyone had any success?....What are my options there? I heard the race team runs one but I forgot to ask which one? Running the fan always on draws to much on the battery....how did you all wire that?

Not sure on who makes the bumper that drops the plate lower. I have the same Pro-Armor Natalie runs, but I don't have a number plate on there anymore. (not required) The other bumper(s) that look like they are used alot are the Bling Star and the DG I think.

I'm pretty sure there is a wire that is cut to put the fan on all the time. I'll see if i can find out for you if you want. As far as a larger fan no clue but I bet you could source a nice Spal or something with some quick measurements of the radiator and space around. While your welding the PWR lid on you can weld the new tabs for the larger fan.:)

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by TNT

How about a bigger fan, anyone had any success?....What are my options there? I heard the race team runs one but I forgot to ask which one? Running the fan always on draws to much on the battery....how did you all wire that?

BCS just put up a radiator upgrade kit for the DS which includes a bigger fan.

[ml450r]

Good job, the class is tough.. How were his starts?

[TNT]

Originally posted by ml450r
Good job, the class is tough.. How were his starts?

His weak spot, he’s only 165-170 @ 6’1 but managed to get in the top 5/ 3 of 4 moto’s....he’s good at reeling them in and jumping. Track was rough, I mean even after you stiffen your damper you need alot of upper body strength to keep the bars from jolting...that was the most jolting and throwing around on a quad I have seen in a long time. Ironically, the local guys where we live complain of rough unprepped tracks but it’s the best dose of workout for tracks like LL.

He wanted to count the secs between when the board turns and gate drops, I didn’t think that was a good idea just watch the gate.

Hey when is that HLR race, we didn’t qualify since out bike was not running.....ask your buddy JR to let Trever race for fun and I’ll send him that way.

[xrxmxcx]

I wouldnt be suprised if that front bumper/number plate accounted for more than 90% of your overheating problem.

DG w/ 5''x5'' number plate gets it done, look at what Factory can-am ran....

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[ml450r]

That race is this weekend.

[TNT]

Originally posted by ProspectorJim
BCS just put up a radiator upgrade kit for the DS which includes a bigger fan.

I just did a goggle search for BGS and nothing came up? You got a website? Thx dude! :D

5 x 5 plate huh, ok were going with that. I would think if the pro's can run it at nats so can the am's?

[motohanks]

BCS Performance (http://bcsperformance.com/cart/)
BCS Can-Am parts (http://triton.heritagewebdesign.com/~manc22/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=38&zenid=270b97a6e0b9792d795ae34ba9e54b63)

[andiboy123]

this is the reason i think this is the best forum every body getting together to help each other,
TNT is getting some love in here !!!!!!!!! hehehehe
dude your quad is almost as nice as mine, you need a few things more hehehehe
i just quit riding cross country and began practicinm mx like 2 month ago, im planing to get those g forse spacer for the front before i go and spend some money on a arms, the spacer are ok rigth?
i know i willnever get up there but i will try to get the rookie title next season localy!!!!!!

btw, you put all those pics, where is dad pic hahhhhh, he is the responsable for you to be on that quad he was supose to be the first one to be there hehehe

ant to all you fellow's ds owner, stop giving away your 08 ds, go get those up's and you will still have the best 08 quad on your hand...........

[ScottB125]

Congrads on that Terry!

Makes you wish you were young again!

[kfxracer72]

Was yalls bike the red can am? And ur right the track was rough friday and saturday. Sunday it was pretty good.

[TNT]

Originally posted by kfxracer72
Was yalls bike the red can am? And ur right the track was rough friday and saturday. Sunday it was pretty good.

Yeah that was us... one thing I like about the Can-am at these races is it stands out. I remember being over on the wood deck first moto of the 16-24 sat and we were in 3rd and someone said ‘is that a can am up front”? lol! Funny cuz you see the Can Rig and their banners all around the track but not many Ds’s...hopefuly that will change next year. We’re you there? If so what did you think of the new track lay-out?

Everyone thanks for all the help and support....I ordered a PC5 today will let you all know the difference to the PC3, also called BCS waiting for the radiator/large fan/ seat bracket kit pictures to remove my recovery tank since it’s in a hot area.....they make an upper mount bracket for the Precision and a battery bracket I’ll probably get both they look real stout and nicely machined.

Also found out the coolant temp sensors on these things fry easy, we are replacing ours and keeping a couple on hand. If you look in the book the resistant check on them sucks you have to do it at different temps like 10 checks with a ECM adapter, so what I hear is if it is bad it will cause the quad to run rich and die maybe throw the tune off, so that may be our problem. Also if you hook up to Budds we showed a “coolant fault” but it does not pin it down to a CTS. If your quad is acting weird like ours it’s a cheap $15 R&R to get out of the possibilities. Also don’t make the mistake of getting your PC3 wet like my boy did wrap it in a plastic bag when you pressure wash. I am sending it to the OEM which is the only way to check them out.

[kfxracer72]

Yeah i was there. Track was awesome. It was my first national and i plan on runnin the whole series next year. I got 3rd in 4-stroke C and 8th in 450 C. I was #72 green and black kawi 450. BTW yall had the sickest can-am there. Looked great.

[TNT]

Originally posted by kfxracer72
Yeah i was there. Track was awesome. It was my first national and i plan on runnin the whole series next year. I got 3rd in 4-stroke C and 8th in 450 C. I was #72 green and black kawi 450. BTW yall had the sickest can-am there. Looked great.

Thx, Hows the KAWI treating ya...you like it? The pro's we're puttin em up front.

[kfxracer72]

I LOVE IT! Smooth power. Handles like a dream. Pretty easy to wprk on too. Creamer and Wienen were on fire. Nobody there could touch them. It was a fun race to watch though.

[lynxmann]

Hi Terry, i have been enjoying reading your very informative posts on issues with the DS 450.

Im BRP dealer here in Norway and i have a passion for all kinds of motorised vehicles.

My impression is that the main issue with the DS right now is heat and overheating issues going into limp mode for those that havent removed that feature.

I have been thinking about an easy way to work around this problem and maybe im oversimplifying it but how about doing something like this: The cooling temp sensor is giving a certain resistance at a certain temp. If we know the optimum operating temprature of the engine we can connect a resistance fooling the ECU to think the engine is running at a perfect temprature.
To have control of the engine temp just wire up a temprature gauge and know exactly at what temprature your running, doing this you will also need a fan override switch.

Combine this with a cooling fluid like the ones i posted about yesterday that have a boiling point up to 400f and i would think overheating should be a non issue unless you have a dirty radiator but even then you should be able to run way longer than before.
The problems with boiling gas and vapor lock would still have to be dealt with.
Looking forward to hear your thoughts about this, for all i know this have been suggested by someone else a long time ago.

Regards from Norway
Ola

[TNT]

Originally posted by lynxmann
Hi Terry, i have been enjoying reading your very informative posts on issues with the DS 450.

Im BRP dealer here in Norway and i have a passion for all kinds of motorised vehicles.

My impression is that the main issue with the DS right now is heat and overheating issues going into limp mode for those that havent removed that feature.

I have been thinking about an easy way to work around this problem and maybe im oversimplifying it but how about doing something like this: The cooling temp sensor is giving a certain resistance at a certain temp. If we know the optimum operating temprature of the engine we can connect a resistance fooling the ECU to think the engine is running at a perfect temprature.
To have control of the engine temp just wire up a temprature gauge and know exactly at what temprature your running, doing this you will also need a fan override switch.

Combine this with a cooling fluid like the ones i posted about yesterday that have a boiling point up to 400f and i would think overheating should be a non issue unless you have a dirty radiator but even then you should be able to run way longer than before.
The problems with boiling gas and vapor lock would still have to be dealt with.
Looking forward to hear your thoughts about this, for all i know this have been suggested by someone else a long time ago.

Regards from Norway
Ola

Hi Ola… That’s what I love about this site people from all over the world……

The ECU controls fuel based on a number of input parameters and throttle positions, it also controls ignition timing/destructive knock and idle speed. The Coolant Temp Sensor (CTS) parameter allows for addition fuel to be added when the engine is cold (choke) or dangerously hot. I’m going to speculate and assume our ECU is a hybrid digital/analog design somewhat primitive vs a real-time micro-processor. I mean we don’t have cruise control, anti-skid brakes, etc…lol! Ours uses a look-up table stored on a ROM chip and does some calculations. If you look in the Maintenance Manual there are a series of resistance checks based on temp, I am inclined to believe our coolant input/output is 100% tabular. I can see the air parameter having some analog/digital properties (density, pressure, temp).

With that said I would think “tricking” the ecu wired to one resistance/temp is not a good idea it could lead to poor fuel delivery and ignition timing issues, over time severe engine damage.

Terry
:D

[TNT]

Originally posted by ltr311
Nice job that class has super fast bikes. I know for a fact that Dereks Ktm is pushing around 65whp. Its super fast.

16/24 has a super fast Ktm in it also owned by ronnie higgerson. his bike is pushing around 60whp. I sold him a 42.5 carb and both my hmf pipe and dasa pipe. His bike is setup almost identical to mine but i have a 505 and a 43mm carb.

Good job and good luck.

Just found out we have had a blown head gasket all along not allowing coolant to flow thats why we were overheating. Got no idea why, 495 big bore. It was so muddly at LL when the quad was not full of it was pressure washed so it was hard to see, now it got worse so we seen it when we ran it on the dyno. :mad:

Guess I shouldn't have been so hard on him for only getting 7th in main.

Dang if we can just get this quad to stay running it be a nice quad.
:rolleyes:

[xrxmxcx]

Maybe sticking to a 450 will keep things in order for you.

[TNT]

BTW guys don't blame the quad yet untill I figure this out. LTR311 thanks for the info on the KTM got some questions soon, Kevin(Seed) the site, XRX I need to look up some values next week on steel/AL one more lesson on corrosion between the two b4 you buy Walsh, glad you working w/BRP/Warnert better choice..... I want you guy's to understand this corrosion thing better.

Latta! :D

[Speedyman]

Sweet bike, def put that in for quad of the month!!!! You got my vote