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Admin
07-18-2009, 09:15 PM
Armagh, PA - With only three rounds remaining in the 2009 ITP Tires/Moose Racing AMA ATV Motocross Championship presented by Parts Unlimited series, points are tight between current series leader Monster Energy Kawasaki's Chad Wienen and Rockstar/Makita/Yoshimura Suzuki's Defending AMA Pro ATV MX Champion Dustin Wimmer, who are separated by only five points.

The next stop in the series is the newly renovated Pleasure Valley Raceway in Armagh, Pennsylvania for the Suzuki Summer National. Owner Jeff Cernic has made several improvements at the track, cutting down trees to increase visibility around the track, building a new a pro pit area and expanding the parking lot. The track is technically challenging and takes advantage of the terrain, with strategically placed single, double and triple jumps. This includes several table top jumps, whoops, and sand sections.

After a shoulder injury at mid-season bumped Wimmer from the top of the point standings, he came roaring back on top at Muddy Creek, taking home 1-1 moto wins. Wimmer's dramatic return to victory came less than two months after he dislocated his shoulder in a practice crash, and then lost the points lead while fighting to come back. Wimmer's teammate Doug Gust took home the second place win with Wienen, who suffered from bad starts, finishing in third. Veteran Honda rider, Joe Byrd, who finished in 9th at Muddy Creek is third in the point standings, 14 points behind Wimmer.

Admin
07-19-2009, 09:27 AM
Suzuki's Dustin Wimmer has dominated the Timed Qualifiers this weekend by recording the fastest laptime in all three Pro ATV Practices

Admin
07-19-2009, 09:28 AM
John Natalie Jr also has been running strong, and he scored the 2nd fastest time this morning as the Hometown PA racers seem to have Pleasure Valley Raceway dialed in.

Admin
07-19-2009, 09:30 AM
Unfortunately, Keith Little bad luck continued as he went to the Pro LCQ, and held the lead for several laps till wrecking on the up hill whoops, which dropped him out of the main, and Shane Cochran & Jason Dunkelberger advanced with a full gate of 20 Pros set to go for Moto One, which will begin shortly.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 09:49 AM
Pro-am is lining up and they are going to be starting the national anthem soon.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:01 AM
Cody Gibson takes he holeshot followed by cottage and snapp

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:02 AM
Gibson is already pulling away and there is a huge battle for second between cottage williams and snapp

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:03 AM
williams is now around cottage for second and hetrick is up to 4th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:04 AM
hetrick is pressuring cottage for 3rd and gibson continues to check out

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:06 AM
hetrick takes third from cottage

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:08 AM
cottage is back in third

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:09 AM
cottage bobbles and is now back to 5th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:09 AM
cottage may be having issues as he just dropped back to 6th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:10 AM
3 laps to go

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:11 AM
hetrick just went over the berm

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:12 AM
Hetrick back on track and is charging hard

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:14 AM
white flag is out
Gibson has a 15 second lead

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:15 AM
heimes is having issues

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:18 AM
moto one

gibson
snapp
hetrick
ross
moore
cottage
sheaffer
deering
shapaka
ven john
borger
wyngaert
travis
bruening
rusaw
heimes
williams
martin

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:19 AM
Pro hot laps are underway

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:24 AM
the holeshot goes to gust followed by creamer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:25 AM
byrd is in 4th and wimmer just took second from creamer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:28 AM
wienen was in a first turn crash and is all the way in the back

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:28 AM
byrd just got around creamer and wimmer takes the lead from gust

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:30 AM
goodman is still holding strong in 5th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:30 AM
natalie is on a charge and is up to 11th from 16th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:31 AM
upperman is also on a charge and is challenging goodman

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:32 AM
miller gets around t brown to take over 7th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:33 AM
upperman is now trying to close the gap on creamer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:34 AM
miller takes away 6th from goodman

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:36 AM
creamer takes over third

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:36 AM
byrd takes it back

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:40 AM
gust and byrd are battling for second

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:41 AM
byrd and gust are going back and forth

mooseracerX
07-19-2009, 10:41 AM
What happened to Denoble?

OutlawEX
07-19-2009, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by mooseracerX
What happened to Denoble?

Im guessing him warnia and wienen were in a pile up of some sort as they are all laps behind

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:42 AM
byrd makes the pass stick for second

mooseracerX
07-19-2009, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by OutlawEX
Im guessing him warnia and wienen were in a pile up of some sort as they are all laps behind
That sucks he was running right up there.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 10:44 AM
looks like byrd has finally recovered from his injurys.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:45 AM
my call just dropped, so only going by live feed now...looks like Warnia crashed and is out, not sure if he is hurt or not.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:47 AM
wimmer
byrd
gust
creamer
upperman

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:51 AM
only a couple laps left to go

OutlawEX
07-19-2009, 10:54 AM
Im sorta lost. The pro rule is 20 minutes plus 1 lap for pro's right? Correct me if im wrong.

They are on lap 13. So that is 26 mins given that they are runnin 2 minute lap times. So why didnt they only run 10 laps

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 10:55 AM
I think it is 20 plus 2 laps.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 10:56 AM
wimmer
byrd
gust
creamer
upperman
miller
natalie
goodman
t brown
p brown
gee
pelchat
lawson
smith
shumaker
dunkelberger
cochran
denoble
warnia
weinen

perkins703
07-19-2009, 10:56 AM
All of the times are off the leaders pace. He must have ran a few laps faster than 2 minutes.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:31 PM
Pro-am Production is lined up and ready to go for moto 2

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:39 PM
the pro-am production moto 2 holeshot goes to gibson then cottage and hetrick

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:40 PM
hetrick is right on cottage and trying for a pass

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:43 PM
hetrick has moved up to second

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:44 PM
ross has gotten around moore to take over third

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:46 PM
snapp and heimes are both having issues and are way off the pace

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:48 PM
gibson
hetrick
ross
martin
moore

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:48 PM
snapp is working his way up, but heimes still appears to be having issues

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:49 PM
3 laps to go

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:51 PM
gibson has 8 second lead at the two lap mark

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:52 PM
snapp is now up to 8th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:55 PM
moto two

gibson
hetrick
ross
martin
moore
snapp
cottage
deering
heimestravis
ven john
travis
borger
bruening
shapaka
wyngaert
williams
sheaffer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 12:59 PM
podium is

Gibson
Hetrick
Ross

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:04 PM
Pros are lining up

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:07 PM
joe byrd grabs the holeshot followed by wimmer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:08 PM
byrd
wimmer
gust
creamer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:08 PM
lawson in 5th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:09 PM
something is wrong with live scoring. it's not showing wimmer and byrd

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:10 PM
byrd still in the lead, but wimmer is right on his grab bar

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 01:10 PM
It does now

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:11 PM
byrd and wimmer are still battling

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:13 PM
creamer takes over third

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:14 PM
wimmer takes the lead

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:15 PM
gust gets back around creamer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:15 PM
byrd is still fighting back and is right on wimmer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:18 PM
natalie is now up to 5th and wienen has broke into the top ten

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:20 PM
upperman has got around t brown and gee

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:21 PM
byrd is pressuring wimmer again but was unable to make a pass yet

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:22 PM
byrd gets around wimmer, but wimmer is fighting back

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:23 PM
creamer is around gust and natalie is now closing in on gust

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:24 PM
wimmer retakes the lead and creamer is in position to challenge byrd

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:25 PM
wienen is up to 9th

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:27 PM
looks like 3 laps to go

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:27 PM
byrd and creamer just got around wimmer

jstanely
07-19-2009, 01:27 PM
is Wimmer still leading?

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:28 PM
creamer now pressuring byrd for the lead

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:29 PM
wimmer ir around creamer and up to second and is after byrd

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:30 PM
wimmer is pressuring byrd

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:31 PM
white flag is out

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:32 PM
creamer around wimmer

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:33 PM
creamer and byrd connected and are off the track

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:34 PM
wimmer takes the win
gust second

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:35 PM
wimmer
gust
natalie
upperman
lawson
wienen
creamer
t brown
gee
byrd
miller
warnia
goodman
smith
p brown
shumaker
dunk
denoble
cochran
pelchat

quad2xtreme
07-19-2009, 01:38 PM
Any details on what happened with Byrd and Creamer? That mishap cost Joe 30 seconds.

Raptorchick
07-19-2009, 01:39 PM
on the pro podium

wimmer
gust
upperman

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 01:39 PM
stupid move on creamer cost byrd overall

orang_kawa
07-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Its Racing it happens

TWISTED
07-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Good to see Upperman back up there..... His time is coming....

quad2xtreme
07-19-2009, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
stupid move on creamer cost byrd overall

Do you mean stupid move on creamer's part cost byrd the overall?

or restating "stupid move by creamer cost byrd the overall?"

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by quad2xtreme
Do you mean stupid move on creamer's part cost byrd the overall?

or restating "stupid move by creamer cost byrd the overall?" creamer stupid move pushed him and byrd of the track costing byrd a 2-1 and the overall. instead he gets a 2-10 finish. overall i do not now were he finished yet but he lost alot of points with only half a lap left

etccb
07-19-2009, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
stupid move on creamer cost byrd overall

If thats what happened I understand how you might feel.But the truth be told no pro on the track has come close to Byrd's lane change history.Just watch the vid from I believe the last round when he takes wienen off the edge of the track.I did not mean to attack anyone but those that live in glass houses...........

TWISTED
07-19-2009, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by etccb
If thats what happened I understand how you mighy feel.But the truth be told no pro on the track has come close to Byrd's lane change history.Just watch the vid from I believe the last round when he takes wienen off the edge of the track.I did not mean to attack anyone but those that live in glass houses...........

Well said.... Watch clips from past races.... What comes around, goes around....

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 01:50 PM
well said but it still sucks

TWISTED
07-19-2009, 01:50 PM
I agree.... I'd rather watch them race heads up and clean.....

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 01:52 PM
Did Creamer give Byrd a little taste of Byrds own medicine? haha

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 01:53 PM
it is good to see natalies bike hold up. upperman is looking good to

TWISTED
07-19-2009, 01:54 PM
I'm a Gust fan, but it's definately good to see Upperman do well.......

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 01:55 PM
gust is still amazing.

quad2xtreme
07-19-2009, 02:07 PM
I just wondered what happened. Joe is definitely a competitive racer. I would say to take a better line but you can always take someone out if you are willing to go out too. When they slow down for a turn, you don't. Just hit em and spin em. :devil:

Joe is the master at stopping somebody else's progress while not stopping his. He's done some of the most offensive block passes in a turn...more like a block stop and roll maneuver. It is all good with me as long as the racers aren't getting hurt. This has been the best season in a long time. My life doesn't change much no matter who wins...I still have to go to work tomorrow. :D

I am a big Gust fan too. This old guy loves when he whips up on the younger guys!!!:p

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 02:13 PM
overall wimmer, gust , upperman. natalie, creamer, byrd

laeger2fiddyr
07-19-2009, 02:22 PM
whats the points situation???

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 02:26 PM
adding it up

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 02:54 PM
1st wimmer 335 2nd weinen 306 3rd byrd 304 4th gust 292 5th upperman 276. they should be pretty close to that.

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:17 PM
i just got back from the race and man was it INSANE!!! From my view it looked like byrd and creamer got tangled together in the last turn, all four were FREIGHT TRAINING on that last lap. So once they made contact and got STUCK together literally, wimmer and gust snuck by underneath. By the time both of them got untangled, creamer got out first then byrd got hung up on a hey bail on the berm which screwed him even more. But it was definately a CRAZY ending!!!

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:22 PM
and actually that last turn there were alot of guys getting cut off coming out of that turn over the finish line jump. was happenning all day in every class. Just one of those weird turns with a small humpback on the inside of the turn. So alot of guys that were trying to take the inside line had to hang out for a second and as soon as their front end got beside that hump back is when they tried cutting in, which ended up in alot of iffy passes. But thats racing. Like i said, i did NOT see the actualy collision but all 4 guys were right there in that turn and i saw byrd and creamer tangled up and wimmer crossed the line and right behind him was digger doug fist pumpin cuz the 2 zuki boys went from 3rd and 4th to 1st and 2nd.

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:32 PM
trying to put a few pics on that i took with my phone.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 03:34 PM
nice picture man. bet it was a great race to watch

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:34 PM
one from the bridge they go under....prob. about half way in 2nd moto. If im not allowed to post these here right now someone tell me

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 03:35 PM
I dont know for sure but keep them coming if you can

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:37 PM
not the greatest quality with my cell phone. But u get the point how close it was all race. Creamer really snuck up on the lead pack with about 2--3 laps to go.

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:40 PM
think this was the 2nd or 3rd lap before creamer dropped back behind gust.

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:43 PM
sorry this is the last decent pic i got. This was officially the half way point of the race. A VERY fast long straightaway after they went under the bridge. Wimmer ahead of byrd

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:47 PM
Gust on the podium

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:49 PM
wimmer and upperman on the podium for the overall

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 03:51 PM
ok now this is my last pic. This would be a good ad for the new razr icross tires or whatever they are called.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 03:54 PM
great pictures man.wish i could have been there. thanks for sharing pics.

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 04:00 PM
no prob. i know myself i wanna see pics from the race ASAP. And since usually im racing, and cant take any pics, this was a nice change of pace just being a spectator. I would really like to try the whole MX thing someday. I normally race XC. But man does this MX stuff look like a blast!

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 04:05 PM
i know one thing, i saw this exhaust the guys on hondas are running, and man is it CRAZY looking. Ive never seen anything like it. Kind of like a mega bomb header on steroids! That whole canister is like another chamber for the exhaust, can anyone explain what it is??

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 04:07 PM
here it is.

TWISTED
07-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Mark Baldwin told me that chamber is to quiet the quad down to pass sound check.............

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 04:08 PM
It helps keep the dbs down and it gives the bike the bottom end of a long header without hurting the top end according to byrd

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 04:09 PM
What a great weekend for Suzuki! Going 1 and 2 at the Suzuki Summer National.

Great pictures! I love going to the atv nationals their so much fun!

bader51
07-19-2009, 04:10 PM
That canister on both upperman's bike and joe byrds DASA pipes are made to help reduce the noise level and get them within the legal ama decibel limits

Extremeracer167
07-19-2009, 04:31 PM
awesome thanks for the explanation, i wonder why it isnt being done on any of the other bikes? Guess maybe they just arent having an issue with the dB levels?

wolfpack91
07-19-2009, 04:33 PM
Check out the tire grooving job on Gust's rears. That's a lot of extra edges for bite.

Noticed some of the pros don't run front number plates on the bumper? How does that work, they not enforcing it on the pro class now?

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 04:37 PM
at the glen helen race i seen the headpipe on some of the other makes also. the yama looked different than the honda and more like the kawis, it was not on creamer or weinen bikes . can-am used the mega bomb header with their fmf exhaust

SpeedBump
07-19-2009, 05:08 PM
I just got back a bit ago from PVR. Awesome 2nd moto. First moto was kinda boring.

From my vantage point...right at the fence at the finishline turn, Creamer was charging hard into the turn on Byrd's butt. Byrd hit the brakes hard as they ALL (Wimmer, Gust, Creamer and Byrd) were running like madmen the last 4 laps or so. You could just see them ALL riding on the ragged edge. I think the 4 positions went back and forth at least 3-4 times in those final laps. Like somebody said earlier...FREIGHT-TRAINING....PERFECT word for it. Bumper to grabbar basically on the last lap. It was bound to happen with them hauling the mail. Creamer looked like he was carrying a bit too much speed into the final right hander and Byrd just got on the brakes sooner and harder than he expected. They didn't go off the track..Creamer's Kaw just flat out PLUGGED itself into Byrd's Honda. Byrd instantly turned and took a swing at Creamer...just clipped his visor. THEN they both bounced around on their quads trying to get them free as the rest of the field were going around them...left and right. Creamer jumped off...pulled his quad and such...got them separated. The crowd was going nutz! Creamer was first to get back on and free, and his quad was still pointed in the right direction, Byrd's was kinda facing towards the infield. byrd got back on, then he just ripped off the edge of the track trying to get across the line which was about 15-20feet away. He ran over a haybale and nearly went over the bars...(would have loved to see that happen...FUNNY AS Shizzle!) he regained control, hit ANOTHER bale as he got to the line. End of race. Gust is amazing. These last few rounds..he has been in the hunt and up front EVERY time. I have no idea how he can keep it up like he does. Wimmer...just flatout fast! Nuff said. Creamer...fast as can be, but seems to run nearly outta control ALL THE TIME! If anybody is gonna push it to win..HE IS! This time it cost him AND Byrd some much needed points. Weinen...bad luck today. Tangled and crashed moto 1 and DNF with some mechanical troubles...sounded like serious engine probs as he came under the bridge and didn't see him again that moto. 2nd Moto...looked underpowered..kinda slow from normal. Thinkin it was either a backup quad, or spare engine. (maybe just running the "hurt" one. Just didn't look like he was getting it done. Natalie put in a nice 2nd moto. Looked to me like he was reeling in the leading pack. Didn't notice what kinda start he got, but he was rollin for sure.

After all was said and done...what struck me as very POOR sportsmanship. Byrd got the $250 Holeshot award, but was too busy figuring out when and where to crush Creamer's skull that he didn't even come to the podium to accept the check and THANK his supporters, sponsors and most importantly..THE FANS! Without them....he is just another fast Quad rider with an attitude. I DO understand his anger and frustration, but come on...he is supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL. Kinda reminds me of some of the prima donna pro athletes who think they DESERVE something. Suck it up and get over it. Its racing after all. Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats YOU. Sorry about the wall of text, but the wife doesn't wanna hear it so you guys get it all! w00t!

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 05:16 PM
yeah your right byrd should of still went up and got his 250 for the holeshot, but im sure he was really pissed NO EXCUSES.

nynetwo9
07-19-2009, 05:30 PM
man i woulda bean jacked as all hell. i dont blame him. i was there and saw it. i thought there was going to be rumble in the pits. the whole kawi team walked to byrds trailer at the end. The team manager marty kept saying " I just wanna hear what he has to say..." I bet there was 80 ppl gathered aroung byrds trailer waiting to see what happened. Officials made everyone sepperate tho and took byrd in to his trailer to talk to him. byrd didnt even say anything. Just had a death stare on his face. I dont blame him, he put in a heck of a ride to have it taken away 6ft from the finish line. Prolly the best racing I have ever seen.

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 05:41 PM
Good thing Creamer kept his cool and didnt swing back. Dont wanna pull a Villopoto and Lawrence.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 05:42 PM
wish i could of been there. sounds exciting.

TALS
07-19-2009, 05:45 PM
All I can say to Byrd is: what goes around comes around.

SpeedBump
07-19-2009, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by nynetwo9
man i woulda bean jacked as all hell. i dont blame him. i was there and saw it. i thought there was going to be rumble in the pits. the whole kawi team walked to byrds trailer at the end. The team manager marty kept saying " I just wanna hear what he has to say..." I bet there was 80 ppl gathered aroung byrds trailer waiting to see what happened. Officials made everyone sepperate tho and took byrd in to his trailer to talk to him. byrd didnt even say anything. Just had a death stare on his face. I dont blame him, he put in a heck of a ride to have it taken away 6ft from the finish line. Prolly the best racing I have ever seen.

We were gonna head up to the pits to see the excitement but decided to just stay at the podium and cheer for the lucky victors! When asked who Gust wanted to thank...I wanted him to hollar, "Josh and Joe!" :devil:

All kidding aside, Byrd did run a great moto. Don't usually see the lead and top spots change hands sooo many times in one moto. Did you notice how Creamer would gain a couple ticks on the last uphill into the tight left before the whoops in front of teh bridge? He had that section dialed. Do you know what actually happened to Weinen's quad? Was it the engine? Just didn't sound right as he went under the bridge.

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 06:00 PM
i doubt josh purposely took himself and joe out, they are both battling for points and it was the last corner so he tried to make a move. but i do know that if joe was leaning on him lot josh is one of the last riders out there that would just sit back and take it.

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 06:27 PM
^^ignorance^^

so let me get this straight, its ok for byrd to hit wimmer in the same corner that josh hit him because it was for the lead. but when josh tried to ride it deep into the corner to get by him and joe checked up to stop him in the last corner of the moto going for the win that they both wanted in the worst way josh was wrong? i see it this way, they were both doing the damndest to win that moto and pushing the limits and in the end it bit them in the ***...

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 06:37 PM
come on you wait untill the last corner of the race to take him out. besides byrd didnt take out wimmer. creamer could not of won the overall anyway. creamer 1st and 4th still would not of beat byrds 2-2 for the overall. byrd is now 34 points out of 1st instead of 10 points. no i dont think he did it on purpose but he should of raced smarter because it cost them both point

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 06:46 PM
your right but my friend was there he seen the whole thing. creamer should of raced smarter. and show me were i said anything about ignorance. they always bang on each other but not take each other out. championship hopes dashed for both now.well for byrd anyway creamer was already out of it anyway. At least it is exciting unlike the dirtbike races

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 06:59 PM
sorry i missed that. glad we agree with each other. you still have your 04 trx

SpeedBump
07-19-2009, 07:06 PM
Well, like I said...I think Byrd just got on the brakes a second sooner than Creamer expected...I don't think it was intentional, and I don't think for a second he even wanted contact. To me, it looked like Byrd was taking the very inside which NONE of them had been doing on any lap up till then. To me...I think Byrd KNEW the inside was the only way around him to the checkers and he was gonna block that line knowing it didn't matter if he carried any speed thru the turn. It didn't matter if he carried speed...he just needed 15 more feet without a rider sneaking inside on him. He checked up...Creamer went in a bit too hot...BANG! I've raced before and I've seen guys dive into a turn too hot expecting to use the other guy as a berm. I've BEEN the berm, and I've also used somebody as a berm. As long as you get inside it works just fine. May be a bit rough riding style, but it works in a pinch. With the points at stake...Creamer, in hindsight, probably should have just settled for 2nd, but he is AGGRESSIVE and WANTS the W! He went for it...it didn't work and they both took a hit for it. Carry on and line em up @ Red Bud.

Cody is uber fast. I saw him as he came off the track after his moto and he looked as fresh as at the start of the race. No sweat, not outta breath...smiling and saying hi to me. Gonna be great watching him run with the big boys when he makes the step up. Good job.

Side notes...hondarider11....violence is not the answer. A TRUE professional...which is what these guys want to be seen as...wouldn't resort to that kind of behavior. To be honest...Byrd's swing @ Creamer should be looked at and called out. Totally outta line IMHO.

Sparks 450...I don't hear anybody complaining about the contact and subsequent crashes in moto1 where Weinen was 'taken out". He didn't crash by himself. Its racing,,,guys make mistakes and CRASH sometimes.

reconmaster
07-19-2009, 07:12 PM
byrd got a taste of his medicine he has ahistory of racing dirty and taking out racers and attempting to take racers eh tried taking out wienen at muddy creek and there was a video of him t-boning natalie at a set of whoops and jumped yellow flags etc. in the words of natalie on national born killers "he is the dirtiest and ****iest rider that ever lived" when i was at unadilla and watched him poop the bed i enjoyed every second of it. he is cocky and only talks to few amatuers. when i seen him at redbud and unadilla he never said a word to me while all the pros would say hey dude hows everything or btw you looked good out there, etc. when my friend went to ll last year to watch he tried getting joe's autograph he kept ignoring him honestly whatever badluck he gets i have no sympathy for. thats just my opinnon.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 07:26 PM
I have personally talked to byrd the last four years at glen helen. seems like a nice guy to me. we talked about the track,his quad, honda and took pictures .Just my opinion.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 07:31 PM
I cant wait for the next race it is going to be interesting.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 07:37 PM
hopefully he will get his point across to creamer but in a clean way

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 07:39 PM
I wonder if the AMA is going to fine Byrd for swinging at Creamer?

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by TrapZ400
I wonder if the AMA is going to fine Byrd for swinging at Creamer? it may depend on if it connected or not

Airik79mx
07-19-2009, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by SpeedBump
Well, like I said...I think Byrd just got on the brakes a second sooner than Creamer expected...I don't think it was intentional, and I don't think for a second he even wanted contact. To me, it looked like Byrd was taking the very inside which NONE of them had been doing on any lap up till then. To me...I think Byrd KNEW the inside was the only way around him to the checkers and he was gonna block that line knowing it didn't matter if he carried any speed thru the turn. It didn't matter if he carried speed...he just needed 15 more feet without a rider sneaking inside on him. He checked up...Creamer went in a bit too hot...BANG! I've raced before and I've seen guys dive into a turn too hot expecting to use the other guy as a berm. I've BEEN the berm, and I've also used somebody as a berm. As long as you get inside it works just fine. May be a bit rough riding style, but it works in a pinch. With the points at stake...Creamer, in hindsight, probably should have just settled for 2nd, but he is AGGRESSIVE and WANTS the W! He went for it...it didn't work and they both took a hit for it. Carry on and line em up @ Red Bud.

Cody is uber fast. I saw him as he came off the track after his moto and he looked as fresh as at the start of the race. No sweat, not outta breath...smiling and saying hi to me. Gonna be great watching him run with the big boys when he makes the step up. Good job.

Side notes...hondarider11....violence is not the answer. A TRUE professional...which is what these guys want to be seen as...wouldn't resort to that kind of behavior. To be honest...Byrd's swing @ Creamer should be looked at and called out. Totally outta line IMHO.

Sparks 450...I don't hear anybody complaining about the contact and subsequent crashes in moto1 where Weinen was 'taken out". He didn't crash by himself. Its racing,,,guys make mistakes and CRASH sometimes.


Shouldn't you be in bed old man??

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 07:57 PM
holeshot crashes happen every race, it hard not to when there is 20 riders taking off at the same time, there is a little bit of a difference. my point is if creamer would of got by byrd he still would not of won the overall. it seems like a bad move . maybe he lost his brakes. look at the pictures on atv riders.com

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
Byrd hit wimmer in the same corner

i rest my case as far as that goes. now to move forward, your defending one of the dirtiest riders in professional atv-mx history he just likes to do it quietly. josh is not an aggressive rider in that way and yes i would know that seeing as i've been watching him ride since he started and spoke to him in person on many occasions. it was a simple deal that happens all the time and i personally can't believe byrd had the balls to take a swing because if anybody out there besides doug and john should know that **** happens when your racing hard for the win its joe...

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
come on you wait untill the last corner of the race to take him out. besides byrd didnt take out wimmer. creamer could not of won the overall anyway. creamer 1st and 4th still would not of beat byrds 2-2 for the overall. byrd is now 34 points out of 1st instead of 10 points. no i dont think he did it on purpose but he should of raced smarter because it cost them both point

raced smarter because it cost them both points? you think it was his intention to do anything but make sure byrd finished one spot behind him? your making him out to be the bad guy in the situation and he didn't do anything wrong, he rode that corner the same way he would have if byrd was behind him, byrd on the other hand figured he could check him up and byrds block attempt cost them both positions and points. i wasn't there but i know several people who were and saw what happend and they have all told me the same thing..

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 08:07 PM
he never should of took a swing, i do not think creamer would do it on pupose, and i am just saying that it is to bad it happened. It cost byrd point and hurt his chances for a title. I would not wish it on any rider.

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
You got that right sir. This was my first national I got to spectate. I usually go to watch local or pamx races. Can't wait to find out what happens. If byrd does what I think he will do creamer will have a rough end of his 2009 season.

i guarantee you right now, if byrd takes creamer out intentionally he will not only be trying to remove the ama from his rectum but several kawi team members

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
it may depend on if it connected or not

it shouldn't depend on anything of the sort, it is incredibly unprofessional and uncalled for to even hint at fighting over an incident on the track. natalie would not have gotten away with looking at joe the wrong way when joe pushed him off the track in that whoop section and they would have happily fined gust if he hadn't laid of the jumping under yellow thing because joe was a good friend. joe byrd is a dirty rider no matter how much talent and skill he has. the time has come for him to deal with the consequences.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 08:12 PM
hopefully byrd doesnt do anything but out run him like he has most of the year

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by extremeblastr
it shouldn't depend on anything of the sort, it is incredibly unprofessional and uncalled for to even hint at fighting over an incident on the track. natalie would not have gotten away with looking at joe the wrong way when joe pushed him off the track in that whoop section and they would have happily fined gust if he hadn't laid of the jumping under yellow thing because joe was a good friend. joe byrd is a dirty rider no matter how much talent and skill he has. the time has come for him to deal with the consequences. good point . keep the punishment the same for all. no matter who you are

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
good point . keep the punishment the same for all. no matter who you are natalie is the man from back in his honda days. he will ride red next year and win alot

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 08:22 PM
i doubt that he will ride for honda

extremeblastr
07-19-2009, 08:36 PM
i have to agree, i want to win as much as the next guy but sometimes dealing with equipment that can't quite get the job done is better than not having somebody else give you a salary and pay for your equipment.

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 08:45 PM
hey i know dude. Natalie has talked a lot of crap about honda before so I highly doubt that he would think about switching. Also I think he is happy where hes at right now. Its can ams second year and they have came along way since last year. Give them time and they will get all the bugs out.

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 08:54 PM
all natalie said is honda should step-up and sponsor full-time rides. he had dominated on a honda for 3 years or so. maybe they will next year,who knows we will see in time

JETMX99
07-19-2009, 08:58 PM
I have the huge pleasure of riding and racing with ALOT of the top riders in Florida.
Our SSQSA (Sunshine State Quad Series Association) features a Pro Am class with Cody Gibson, Devin Heimes, Josh Williams, Neal McGrath, Jeffery Rastrelli, and a ton of others, including a few pros that show up and race with them from time to time. The Pro's do not always win and most of the time do not.
Gibson, Heimes, and Josh Williams are crazy fast. Now that alot of the top riders live in Florida, we see them during the winter months at our tracks riding and practicing with us. Its nice to spend track time with them!!!!
But.........Gibson is the future my brothers! Unbelievable at his age.

jt

sparks 450
07-19-2009, 09:02 PM
cant wait for those guys to move up, its going to get good

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
all natalie said is honda should step-up and sponsor full-time rides. he had dominated on a honda for 3 years or so. maybe they will next year,who knows we will see in time
I read that Upperman has a pretty good deal with honda. They give him a bunch of quads and pay for all of his expenses for the nationals. Its too bad that honda doesnt sent out a rig like the others though.

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 09:30 PM
Honda isnt producing a 2010 trx450r so who knows how much honda will cut back on support. Byrd, Upperman, and Goodman might have to be looking for another ride next year.

Ex_Rider43
07-19-2009, 09:36 PM
what do you mean not producing a 2010 TRX450r this is ridiculous !

wolfpack91
07-19-2009, 09:44 PM
Ok, Jason Lawrence gets fined for thinking about taking a swing from AMA Pro Racing. So will they fine Joe for doing it. I know J-Law has a history 5 miles long, but that's not the point.

Also, has Joe beome the Kyle Bush of quads? P's everyone off just for being at the race track regardless if he does anything wrong or not. He doesn't give press any time after a bad incedent like Kyle has done his last 2 cup races.

TrapZ400
07-19-2009, 09:44 PM
It starts around 1:25
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SpeedBump
07-19-2009, 11:13 PM
Me...BARELY visible in the pic. I'd say that's close enuff to see teh shenanigans! ;)

http://www.postimage.org/Pq1YIH2i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1YIH2i)




Originally posted by Airik79mx
Shouldn't you be in bed old man?? Yes, I should. BTW, some A $ $ B A G over at the sawmill BANGING around some heavy equipment JUST WOKE ME UP! :mad: Out for a smoke and a quick read. Back to bed...gotta get BACK up @ 3:30 for work! :grr:

jstanely
07-19-2009, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by TrapZ400
It starts around 1:25
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ilvBo3OxHX0&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ilvBo3OxHX0&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Not sure if you payed att to the vid but they never said they where doing a 2010 450r but i seen on the chart after watching it again

LT-R450 131
07-19-2009, 11:49 PM
I hope John goes Suzuki, look what Suzuki did for wimmer, Suzuki has the best support for they're pros, can am does too so either way would be good for him because once that ds is dialed in he will do a lot better JMO

TrapZ400
07-20-2009, 12:20 AM
I think John is going to be with Can Am for a long time

Dynodn
07-20-2009, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by extremeblastr
i doubt josh purposely took himself and joe out, they are both battling for points and it was the last corner so he tried to make a move. but i do know that if joe was leaning on him lot josh is one of the last riders out there that would just sit back and take it.

that is funny

quad2xtreme
07-20-2009, 06:09 AM
goodness sakes don't support or encourage fining Joe for showing a little emotion. This happens in baseball, football, hockey, basketball, Nascar, in Japanese government and these guys aren't wearing helmets. I think a little talk would suffice.

They say this sport takes two balls and team sports just take one but from reading this thread I would think differently...may not take any balls at all.

protraxrptr17
07-20-2009, 06:31 AM
Isn't Weinen (also Kawasaki) just a few points behind Byrd? Not saying he was taken out on purpose, but if he was, that would be a good reason.

6N8
07-20-2009, 09:33 AM
Did he get help from Gee?

6N8
07-20-2009, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by 6N8
Did he get help from Gee?

6N8
07-20-2009, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by 6N8

6N8
07-20-2009, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by 6N8

6N8
07-20-2009, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by 6N8

lemondropracing
07-20-2009, 09:48 AM
you would think she'd want him dead~!!! she runs around watching him during his races and was taken up for him yesterday and hangs around his rig ???? whats the deal??? he owe her money or something????he did to her what he does best!!!! CHEATS!!!!

quad2xtreme
07-20-2009, 10:46 AM
If we got rid of 100% of the people who have cheated in their lifetimes...there would be 1% of the population +1 (me) left. Who knows, I am going through my mid-life crisis so I am pretty sure if Amanda Kerr came around it would just be the 1% of the population. :) Chances are your mom or dad cheated and you just don't know it. Wonder why they stayed together???

I pretty much think that any wrecks to the first turn have to be thrown out. If you've ever raced, you know how you are barely in control and have no idea what is going on around you. Every rider just keeps moving into the 1st turn but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller. It is a game of chicken. How you race after that is a different story. I wasn't there to witness it but I can imagine what happened and although a bummer on how it changed the outcome of the race, I am sure it was accidental contact. Stuff happens at the first turn and at the last turn. People love Barry Hawk and let me tell you, he was one aggressive SOB near the finish line. Joe's aggressive and this time he got involved in a mixup that didn't go his way. I am sure once he calms down, he will see it for what it is. Reminds me of the video of the 2 XC guys fighting for awhile and then hugging and finishing the race...now those guys are tough.

quadracer85st
07-20-2009, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by lemondropracing
you would think she'd want him dead~!!! she runs around watching him during his races and was taken up for him yesterday and hangs around his rig ???? whats the deal??? he owe her money or something????he did to her what he does best!!!! CHEATS!!!!

how did we go from racing to talking about peoples personal life. pretty low to bring any of that up especially when its nobody's business except theirs. byrd is an aggressive rider and worked hard the whole moto like everyone else, so what he was pissed. i would of been to. but hey thats racing. im a fan of byrd as well as others, if anything i think he does a heck of a job racing out of his own truck etc. but if you dont like him show some class in your posts, and leave the dirty laundry else where.

quadracer707
07-20-2009, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by 6N8


Any possiable way to get more pics to the right & see what happened between Lawson & Dunk on the hole shot??

Thanx Ken

sparks 450
07-20-2009, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by 6N8
it looks more like 22 or 13 or 708 he tangeled with to me

sparks 450
07-20-2009, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by TrapZ400
Honda isnt producing a 2010 trx450r so who knows how much honda will cut back on support. Byrd, Upperman, and Goodman might have to be looking for another ride next year. honda has less overhead or factory rigs but i bet they wont lose as many riders as the other teams. the economy has hit all makes. all atv sales acrossed the board has dipped between 50-75 percent. wouldnt seem like can-am, kawi, and others wouldnt be able to continue to pay for multiple teams and rigs. I hope they all can that would be great.

SpeedBump
07-20-2009, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
I had to have been standing right beside you. lol Or really close!

You musta been the HOT chix I was dr00lin over! :devil:

If you were right there...what was your take on the contact? Did you see it like I did? Did you see the swing too, or was that just my overactive imagination?

Just noticed something about the pic. Check out all the fans in the background. You can certainly tell who is/was rooting for who! I'd like to see some video of that. I normally have both camera, and video at these events..but just wanted to enjoy the racing and not have to hustle around to get good position for pix. These guys who post up pics should be thanked over and over. Its more work than most people think getting good action shots out there.

TrapZ400
07-20-2009, 04:21 PM
The slap
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x216/TrapZ400/slap.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x216/TrapZ400/slap2.jpg

ltr450rider21
07-20-2009, 06:26 PM
haha! go creamer!

SpeedBump
07-20-2009, 06:41 PM
sweet shots. You can see me better in that one....black shirt with my head right at byrd's visor. Great place to see the action! LOL...Glad I didn't just "think" I saw a swat! My buddy who was there...20 feet to the right...didn't believe me about the slap. Glad to see some hard evidence to back me up! Thanks.

BTW, I ride a KFX450, lol

I also have a Honda...<------2 wheeled version. :rolleyes:

i just thought about it...they should have worked as a team...BOTH just gas on it and cross the line still STUCK TOGETHER....woulda placed higher! :blah:

TrapZ400
07-20-2009, 08:22 PM
Got a little coverage on Channel 6 News

http://www.wjactv.com/video/20111455/index.html

6N8
07-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by quadracer707
Any possiable way to get more pics to the right & see what happened between Lawson & Dunk on the hole shot??

Thanx Ken

Nope thats all I got.

quadmom110
07-22-2009, 06:26 PM
Did anyone see that fines were issued for Byrd and Creamer. Here is the link.

http://www.atvmotocross.com/articles/1470_penalties-issued-for-pleasure-valley-national-incidents

SpeedBump
07-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Figured there'd be some $$$$$ changin hands. N E 1 know what happend with Creamer's boy? Guessin he went off. No bonus for him this Christmas! LOL

extremeblastr
07-22-2009, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
Why would Creamer's crew member get mad? If he should of gotten mad it anyone it should be josh becuase of what he did.

please explain better? it sounds in that post like your blaming the whole thing on josh

madskrillz2
07-22-2009, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
I am pretty much blaming the whole thing on josh. Byrd was in a close points race and now hes in a hole. He was going around the last corner and got blasted by someone who had no chance at the championship. He swung which is pretty much natural instinct. If you race for that long that hard and get hit right there wouldn't you take action? Since he didn't swing more than once he probably didn't mean to do it in the first place just spur of the moment type of thing. Joe byrd got hit he wasn't the one running into creamer now was he?

Byrd has just had this thing called karma looming over his shoulders for awhile. It's just now starting to take affect.

madskrillz2
07-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
Haha I know but byrd doesn't cost people their championship now does he?

He pretty much lied himself into one.

TWISTED
07-22-2009, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
Haha I know but byrd doesn't cost people their championship now does he?

He did in '06 at Birch Creek............. What comes around goes around...........

sparks 450
07-22-2009, 09:23 PM
like i said on sunday creamer if you watch the vid clips made a mistake. even if he had won and byrd was 2nd he still could not of won the overall. so why take a risky chance of taking out you and byrd . byrds 2-2 finish is a better overall than creamers 4-1 if he would of made a CLEAN PASS for the win.

extremeblastr
07-22-2009, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
I am pretty much blaming the whole thing on josh. Byrd was in a close points race and now hes in a hole. He was going around the last corner and got blasted by someone who had no chance at the championship. He swung which is pretty much natural instinct. If you race for that long that hard and get hit right there wouldn't you take action? Since he didn't swing more than once he probably didn't mean to do it in the first place just spur of the moment type of thing. Joe byrd got hit he wasn't the one running into creamer now was he?

1. stop riding honda and joes dick
2. things happen when your racing hard it was not something josh DID because he was top 5 in points and seeing as racing is his job i seriously doubt he would jeopardize that just to cornhole joe
3. byrd wasn't gonna win the points anyways, i would love to see wienen do it but barring some amazing changes in the way things are wimmers pretty much a lock
4. no, i wouldn't have taken a swing i would've have been doing everything i could to get across the line.

TNT
07-22-2009, 10:20 PM
Justice has been served. Byrd was out of line period Creamer’s team should have left it in the hands of officials. What is this UFC Byrd vs Creamer Tag Team….lol!

MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. announced today the issuance of penalties to AMA Pro ATV motocross riders Joe Byrd and Josh Creamer as a result of separate incidents during the Pleasure Valley ATV National in Armagh, Pennsylvania, on July 19, 2009.
Joe Byrd was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct directed toward another rider during the final lap of the second moto, in violation of AMA Pro Racing ATV Rulebook Appendix A, Section 2.3(i), which provides that competitors are subject to disciplinary action for engaging in misbehavior or conduct detrimental to the sport. Byrd has been fined and placed on probation for the remainder of the season.
Josh Creamer was penalized for the unsportsmanlike conduct of his crew members in the pro paddock following the conclusion of the event. Although Creamer was not directly involved in the incident giving rise to the penalty, he was penalized pursuant to AMA Pro Racing ATV Rulebook, Appendix A, Section 1.1, which provides that "AMA Pro Racing-licensed riders are held responsible for the actions of their crew members," and further, that "[a]ll parties involved in AMA Pro Racing meets are expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner." Creamer has been fined and placed on probation for the remainder of the season as well.
All fine money is donated to the 88 Live to Ride Foundation benefiting the ATV mobile medic unit

rageatvsupermom
07-22-2009, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
I am pretty much blaming the whole thing on josh. Byrd was in a close points race and now hes in a hole. He was going around the last corner and got blasted by someone who had no chance at the championship. He swung which is pretty much natural instinct. If you race for that long that hard and get hit right there wouldn't you take action? Since he didn't swing more than once he probably didn't mean to do it in the first place just spur of the moment type of thing. Joe byrd got hit he wasn't the one running into creamer now was he?

I don't understand why you would blame this all on Josh, because you don't think he is in the run for points then he should
just throw in the towel.......I don't think so, they are all here to
race and fullfill thier obligations to thier sponsors which is to race
to the finish, not give up. Maybe if he was not brake checked then
there would not have been a pile up...who knows. What I know is that Josh should not be penalized for his teams lack of control.

How would you know if Joe meant anything since he only swung once? There is alot of speculation going on here and the evidence
has been reviewed, had Josh T-boned him like some claim then
he would have been penalized for. My opinion justice was served.

RIDEREDson
07-23-2009, 03:01 AM
So what exactly happened with creamers pit crew? What did they do?

extremeblastr
07-23-2009, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by RIDEREDson
So what exactly happened with creamers pit crew? What did they do?

they all went over to byrds pit to "talk" about what happened. it was a stupid idea and although only a few words were exchanged in this situation, none of which came from creamer himself the ama still decided to put a black mark on creamers record.

hasbeenttduner
07-23-2009, 09:03 AM
I just watched the weekly vid and it didn't look like Creamer dove in to slam Byrd to me. What was going to be a rub nuge went south for both riders.Josh was possibly a little out of control from the jump before where he got sideways and a little park by byrd was all it took to make the contact more then either rider intended.I believe that corner was a racing thing that just went bad.It looks like creamer is wanting to get 2nd from wimmer more then 1st from joe.Sometimes they get sucked up but most of the time those guys would glance and go on.
I will say this after watching the vid.Watch the wimmer byrd battle.Wimmer raced clean while byrd did his famous lane change shove off the track attempt move right on the tape.This is the same move he did to wienen on tape at a resent round.He just moves 1/2 or more of thier quad off of the track for them.He is fast enough that he needs to stop this crap he pulls on the track before he really hurts somebody.

motomxman450
07-23-2009, 12:34 PM
Sorry for going off topic... but does anyone know the song for Jeff Rastrelli's rookie profile video ?

SpeedBump
07-23-2009, 03:47 PM
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=byrd+and+creamer+crash&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=josh+creamer+joe+byrd&hl=en&emb=0

diangelo#67
07-23-2009, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by hondarider11
Haha I know but byrd doesn't cost people their championship now does he?

just like the song said "I guess you had to be there"

RIDEREDson
07-23-2009, 07:27 PM
When will the videos be up on atvriders?

etccb
07-23-2009, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by RIDEREDson
When will the videos be up on atvriders?
And pappys race coverage thread.

extremeblastr
07-23-2009, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by etccb
And pappys race coverage thread.

there will not be a pappys race coverage thread, i believe it was harlen that was at the nationals because pappy was up here in the northeast covering neatv. you'll notice theres a lot of stuff making its way on to the homepage this week so give it a little time they've got a LOT to put up. oh and there is video of the swing in this thread here http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=404383&perpage=13&pagenumber=3

reconmaster
07-24-2009, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by hasbeenttduner
I just watched the weekly vid and it didn't look like Creamer dove in to slam Byrd to me. What was going to be a rub nuge went south for both riders.Josh was possibly a little out of control from the jump before where he got sideways and a little park by byrd was all it took to make the contact more then either rider intended.I believe that corner was a racing thing that just went bad.It looks like creamer is wanting to get 2nd from wimmer more then 1st from joe.Sometimes they get sucked up but most of the time those guys would glance and go on.
I will say this after watching the vid.Watch the wimmer byrd battle.Wimmer raced clean while byrd did his famous lane change shove off the track attempt move right on the tape.This is the same move he did to wienen on tape at a resent round.He just moves 1/2 or more of thier quad off of the track for them.He is fast enough that he needs to stop this crap he pulls on the track before he really hurts somebody.

i agree a 100% creamer probly got docked becaused byrd whined like the lil baby he is when he ever gets docked points and fined everyone else thats involved has to suffer same thing happened in 06 when he jumped the yellow flag...

Pappy
07-24-2009, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by etccb
And pappys race coverage thread.

Coverage is coming:p

We covered several events in the past days and it will take a few days to get things organized and then I can start coverage on this event and the www.neatv.com series event.

Our videos should be completed and posted any day as well, I am looking forward to seeing if Brian caught any thing that could help show something we havent seen from his angle.

vAnS_77
07-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Red Bud is going to be so awesome. Everyone really heated going into it. I'm going for sure. So excited....lol Joe Byrd was so pissed off. Can't wait to see what is going to come out at Red Bud. Well see you guys there :D

nynetwo9
07-24-2009, 10:04 PM
how bout byrd's interview at the end of the moto 2 video. priceless. he was soo heated. i love how he says "kawasaki is a 3-4 million dollar effort against his shoe string budget race team."

woodsracer144
07-25-2009, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by sparks 450
looks like byrd has finally recovered from his injurys.

no but now hes got a case of the pouts like a 3 year old..

TrapZ400
07-26-2009, 11:43 PM
I don't think Dirty Byrd will be signing many autographs at Red Bud. hahaha

sparks 450
07-26-2009, 11:48 PM
Next race will be exciting.

yfzguy33
07-27-2009, 08:12 AM
I'll go get his autograph lol.... I personally see that these guys are supposed to be professionals and they shouldn't do anything like swinging at each other or taking each other out?...and somehow ok for everyone else to do it to Joe? No...there is no exemption code in the rule book to take out someone if you think they are a dirty rider. there is no reason to take urself out of a podium and another from a win.

quadpilot
07-27-2009, 04:34 PM
no screws in my shoes.....

extremeblastr
07-31-2009, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by yfzguy33
I'll go get his autograph lol.... I personally see that these guys are supposed to be professionals and they shouldn't do anything like swinging at each other or taking each other out?...and somehow ok for everyone else to do it to Joe? No...there is no exemption code in the rule book to take out someone if you think they are a dirty rider. there is no reason to take urself out of a podium and another from a win.

fail, either you didn't read or your comprehension skills are horrible

MX450
07-31-2009, 06:48 PM
byrd has some expensive shoe strings :chinese:

blasterider2
08-01-2009, 07:00 AM
whos comin first in the series??

dan29yfz
08-01-2009, 02:32 PM
:mad: when some1 gonna start posting about reeeeddddddbbbuuuudddddd?????????

Pappy
08-01-2009, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by dan29yfz
:mad: when some1 gonna start posting about reeeeddddddbbbuuuudddddd?????????

Today is practice and qualifying and there will be updates this evening. Race Coverage will be tomorrow..RACE DAY:)

yfzguy33
08-04-2009, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by extremeblastr
fail, either you didn't read or your comprehension skills are horrible

Comprehension skills? wow....

I've read enough to know that both of these guys did stupid things whether out of instinct or hard racing. But the rules don't change because you might have a different opinion of a certain racer.