Houser or Herrmann

[02 Red Rider]

OK I need some opinions to help me decide what to do. I have narrowed my A-Arm and Steering stem Choices to Houser and Herrmann.

Here are the facts:
1. I am buying +1 A-Arms and +1 Stem for XC riding and the occasional GNCC.
2. My bike is a 416ex w/Works Triple Rates w/ Rezzies, and T-2 Bars, I may possibly get an IMS Tank.
3. Herrmann's are $499 PC'ed color my choice, Stem $250 pc'ed my choice anti-vibe with clamp. Houser $525 pc'ed a couple choices, Stem $270 gray anti-vibe w/ clamp.

If I go Herrmann I will do the stem and upper a-arms matching in a red-vein powder coat and gloss black lowers.

If I go Houser I will do red lowers chrome uppers and get the stem pc'ed red or black.

What are your thought on this? Houser or Herrmann?

Jason

BTW My Frames will be pc'ed gloss black tommorrow, and I have silver maier plastic with a black and red Factory Effex Graphics kit. And red factory plastic.

[d-14 rider 27]

go with herrmann, i think they use heavier ball joints. plus they are cheaper, and you get them whatever color you want. and by some ppl theory on "you get what you pay for" to **** with that. herrmann is a great product, brad just dont rip you off as bad on 25.00 worth of tubing. i have houser long travels on my 465 ex, and herrmann long travels on my crf/ex and i think the welds look better on the herrmanns, it looks like they actually used filler rod, housers look like their fused, even tho this doesnt applyto you cuz you arent getting long travels, the herrmanns use a better king pin setup, they are bolted together, not snap ringed. plus, housers, are another 75.00 for the uppers chromed.

[NTPRacing#19]

def houser dont go herrmann. houser is so much better than herrmann

[jlhughes750]

GO WITH THE HERRMANN RACING SETUP

ASK HOUSER IF HE'LL HAVE RACE SUPPORT AT THE GNCC'S TO ANSWER QUESTIONS HELP W/SETUP AND DELIVER PARTS, WE WILL AT HERRMANNRACING.COM!!!!!!!!!
ALSO IF YOU REALLY WANT HOUSER THEN ASK HIM TO ADJUST THE PRICE TO MATCH HERRMANN, I DOUBT HE WILL.


WWW.HERRMANNRACING.COM

[Tommy 17]

jl are u from herman??/


houser would be my choice and here is my reason...

i know lots of people with houser a-arms and not one has had a problem... they are proven that they work very well and that they hold up strong... they probably are about the same but i have heard of more houser a-arms and never one bad thing about it... either way i think u'll be happy...

[NTPRacing#19]

HOUSER HOUSER HOUSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hermann is still good but not as good as HOUSER!

[Dave400ex]

You could just get Laeger. Houser or Herrmann are both good. Won't go wrong with either....

[trx400ex]

Houser has a good record so does herrmann, guys saying that herrmann arent as good dont know what they are talking about...i have herrmann stuff and it is as good as my roll design

[02 Red Rider]

OK I think I know what I am going to do. I just want to see if there is anyone else who would like to weigh in on this? Anything else I should consider?

Thanks,
Jason

[trx400ex]

herrmann will stand behind wahtever you buy from him

[d-14 rider 27]

def houser dont go herrmann. houser is so much better than herrmann ntpracing, what proof do you have of this? I own products from both companies, and when held side by side, DEF HERRMANN, DONT GO HOUSER. HERRMANN IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HOUSER. housers welds all look like their just fused with no filler rod (just burned together with no material added) herrmanns stuff is heavier too, by this i suspect they use heavier walled stuff, and the standard shock housers use the chinsy ball joint like burgard (not raggin on burgard) herrmann uses a quite a bit bigger one like the ones found on roll desgn's standerd shock a-arms. thats always one of my concerns with ball joints cuz i broke my hip cause of a ball joint breakin. i know someone who bought a set of housers and kept bending shocks, then he got some arens a-arms, and his bent shocks were a thing of the past. this tells me that the shock mount was in the wrong spot on the a-arm. and the king pins dont apply to the guy buyin the +1 std travels, but on houser, they are held in with a flang on top of the king pin, and a groove and snapring on the other side of the heim. about mid-season last year, i had replaced all the junk snap rings with some high quality John Deere ones :D the herrmans, consist of two flanges and a bolt goin thru to hold them in, much better setup. plus with housers design, anyone who has the lt housers, go out and look at the top joint and turn the bars, if you have a bit of use on them i bet the king pin turns inside the heim. im not ragging on houser or anything, even tho it dont look like theres much on the welds, i havent had any problems with them cept a broken swingarm. im just stating the facts that i experienced, and its herrmann from now on for me, cept a arens chassis when they come out seeing how their cheaper, and have ex geometry.

[Dave400ex]

Well D-14 cleared that up. Get Herrmann. Arens is also another brand you could look at.

[Mxbubs]

If you want an a-arm setup with the top arms using a ball joint with a male stud that will break, get the Housers.:D

[d-14 rider 27]

mxbubs, that pin goin thru the top heim is the same as whats on the bottom, just a heavier heim

[OutlawEX]

Id take Herrmann...make a poll for more organiazed results

[Mxbubs]

Originally posted by d-14 rider 27
mxbubs, that pin goin thru the top heim is the same as whats on the bottom, just a heavier heim

Im not talking about the king pin bolt d-14....I meant the male stud that goes into the a-arm......

By they way, houser's top arm piece (heim) is nothing more than a male studded rod end. The stud will break. I know these things guys, dont ask me how.:D

[d-14 rider 27]

Im not talking about the king pin bolt d-14....I meant the male stud that goes into the a-arm......
OOOOOOHHHHHHH, i gotcha, where the ball joint threads into the arm ;) sorry, i had a brain fart, but that is pretty heavy stud goin in tho, but i think it may be aluminum.....not sure on that, never payed attention.

[Mxbubs]

Its probably zinc plated carbon steel. Carbon Steel=soft, weak. Alloys=stronger. Male stud=bad, very bad.

[d-14 rider 27]

i dont care for the stud either, but what about the lil heims where the a-arms pivot on our herrmans, i trust a heavy duty stud style on the uppers, but on the lowers...uh uh

[cdalejef]

Well, I haven't been able to break one yet so it must work!:macho

[Sparks425Ex]

Get which ever ones you think look better cause they are both good. i say go with houser.

[Dana CreechII]

HOUSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL THE WAY

[Mxbubs]

Originally posted by d-14 rider 27
i dont care for the stud either, but what about the lil heims where the a-arms pivot on our herrmans, i trust a heavy duty stud style on the uppers, but on the lowers...uh uh

You lost me d-14....Im pretty sure on mine the upper and lower kingpin/bolt/stud/machined sleeve is the same on top and bottom, as are the bearings too....You lost me dude, unless you have a different setup. I have the +3 long travels for use with 19" shocks.

[02 Red Rider]

Thanks for the replies all! I called Brad Herrmann this afternoon and ordered the A-Arms and Stem. Can't wait to get them, i'll post pics when they arrive.

Jason

[d-14 rider 27]

im talkin about the lil heims where the uppers bolt to the frame. they are chromoly tho

[Dave400ex]

What colors did you go with? How much were the A-Arms and Stem if you don't mind saying?

[02 Red Rider]

Color still undecided. Brad is sending me some pics so that I can make up my mind. I will share when I figure it out.:D Price $750 + ship which should be like $20.

Jason

[Dave400ex]

$750 is awesome for both of those things. Good deal!

[trx400ex]

brad usually charges way to much$$$ to ship..watch out..

[mx440#55]

you're paying $750 for arms & a stem?....those aren't long travel arms you ordered...are they?
Brad gave me a price of $775 for Long Travel arms

[02 Red Rider]

Originally posted by 02 Red Rider

1. I am buying +1 A-Arms and +1 Stem for XC riding and the occasional GNCC. [/B]

No long travel.

Jason

[jb400exxx]

get one side of your quad with housers, and the other with herrmann a arms. tell us what side u like better. lol

i'm just being stupid!

i will probly get housers when i get a arms. +2's w/elkas

[Dave400ex]

$775 for the LT's? He rised his prices up I see. I thought they used to be $700? $775 is still a good deal.

[02 Red Rider]

I have found that most people are bumping there prices a little throughout the industry. Seems like from the 1st of the year to the end of the first quarter this kinda of thing happens.

Jason

[flying400ex]

My Herrmann's are great!