What is hondas deal?

[hondariderdylan]

Honda has dissapointed me in the last few years
they refuse to jump into quad racing feet first like ALL the other manufacturers do, yet the will pour $ into there dirt bike team

What joe byrd does is a sponsorship but not on a level as say.... maybe bill ballance or dustin wimmer has

im a die hard honda guy(username:D )
but i wish they would show the racing crowd some support

In the 70's and 80's they made the first 3 wheeler and ran over almost everybody on the race scene on the atc250r, held the racing industry together for a decade thanks to a quad they only made for 4 years and kept our sport alive, then when the cpsc decree expired, they blessed us with the 400ex, and then shot back at yamaha's YFZ with the 450R, but refuse to take intrest in racing like they used to

What do you guys think?

[loons]

Honda feels they have nothing to prove. Their products will sell based on name alone. Problem is that things are changing. IF they don't do some sort of major design changes with the 450r, sales are going to drop drastically this next year. And even worse with the economy in the shape it is.

When it comes down to it racing is nothing but one big advertising campaign. 99.9% of the pro riders who win can win on any make. HOnda still has outdated technology in large numbers on the track. So why waste money on rider support if people are gonna keep buying and racing the old 450r's.

Like I said, in the next couple years they are gonna have to do something. Whimmer is not gonna be beaten on his Zuk, lets be honest. Next season we will see more KTM's and the new yammi will have the bugs worked out. The game is changing and honda is going to have to do something. Step up or be left behind. Fuel injection is not gonna be enough, and throwing a couple quads to Byrd, and hoping the amatuers keep an outdated model alive, isn't either.

[Brad77]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the utility quad market where Honda makes the most sales? So I agree with loons in that Honda sells their product and they are not going to repair something thats not broken.
Eventhough the die-hard sport quad riders would probably like something new and improved. The die-hard sport quad riders do not make up the bulk of the sales.

[scuzz]

Originally posted by Brad77
The die-hard sport quad riders do not make up the bulk of the sales.

[MX MaNiAc 06]

I have a built Honda.. and I'm selling it. I want whats new and hott. Honda is at the bottom of the charts right now.

[Tommy 17]

you have to understand hondas way of life aka honda philosophy...

I never really understood alot of the things they do and don't do until I started working for them. Once I started there I now know why they are the best... Honda is not one to go out and release alot of updates to an old model. You won't see anything new from them except bold new graphics until they are ready for a major model change. Mid model changes they will do minor things to fix problems and thats it. Honda is very effiecient at what they do and it shows in the quality and realiablity of their products. Remember its a business and you have to pay for the old design before you make the new one...


trust me you will like what honda is doing with the future...

[hondariderdylan]

what you guys are saying is true, the 450 is at the bottom of the sport quad list right now even though it has huge aftermarket support

i would just like maybe a upgraded model, nothing totally redesigned, just make the suspension better, and the other small quirks about it


i do hope that they have bigger and better things planned for the future

they need it

[Ralph]

I too wish they would support the sport and the pros going out there every weekend.

However, as far as them not coming out with new models every 2 or 3 years; they simply do not have to.

They release a finished product once and it performs well year after year.

http://www.atvriders.com/atvracing/ama-atv-motocross/2009/02-ama-atv-motocross-holeshot-wreck-0.jpg

[hondariderdylan]

that sir, is a badass picture for the honda guys out there

with the ltr and ds's getting nothing but roost and the kawi going who knows where

thanks:D

[Ralph]

check out the race reports from the homepage for more awesome pictures week after week.

[hondariderdylan]

cool man, will do

[05LSR250R]

Awesome picture Ralph! Thanks for posting that and what you said is the absolute truth!

[k4f5x0r]

only rreason honda is always in front is they have the most rider.. which means they have the biggest chance of getting the lead and the biggest chance of winning :rolleyes:

[Ralph]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
only rreason honda is always in front is they have the most rider.. which means they have the biggest chance of getting the lead and the biggest chance of winning :rolleyes:

And what does it mean when the majority of a group picks one thing over another? These pros can be on any bike they choose.

Let me remind everyone that Honda's ultimate goal is high sales. In fact its the ultimate goal of any of the oem's.

Believe me, I love the direction can-am and the other oem's taking the sport. But you can't deny that Honda is doing something right.

[k4f5x0r]

uhm honda motor is about the only thing i like. everything else is crap... stock atleast. i putted around on my friends 511 long travel lsr/fox trx and it was fairly decent. i dont know. i HATE carbs i HATE the way the trx looks honestly, I dont like the way it sits at all. it wheelies too easy stock. the stock shocks blow. i could go on forever. but this is based on a stock trx.

[BLU82]

IMO for Honda to change anything the pro's will have to stop using them. They continue to ride Honda's them even though the company does very little or nothing to support their racing efforts. Once Honda sees the pro riders moving away from the trx they will step it up. But when they see a pic with four "outdated" trx450's being ridden by pro's who recieve no support leading the whole pack into the first corner there is no motivation to change anything.

[RATPACK Z400]

They had the lead for a few second till that suzuki blew by them like they were sitting still!GO Wimmer!

[Mxjunkie]

Even if a honda is outdated it's still a HONDA no matter what. When I think of a honda I think of easy to work on, easy to get parts and they are bullet proof.. Now before someone decides to argue with me ANYTHING will break, Not saying a honda DOES not break or let people down... just saying it's RARE.

I beleive honda had a great way of thinking of it because if you look at a LTR, ktm or even the can am which are basically race ready persay, There isn't much of an aftermarket strive for them as say the honda 450r which can be built into ANYTHING you want it to be.. The others can as well but they are almost a purpose built machine. Needing aftermarket parts is good, it makes the sport have a nice back feed of company support..

Personally after going to the races after all theses years I have and always will be supporting Honda and riding hondas.. They are so simple and I don't need a china man in a box to fix the frickin thing either :p



but hey what do I now I'm just one of those old school guys rippin on a 250r still.. :ermm:

[k4f5x0r]

comparing stock to stock.

kawsaki VS honda BONE STOCK for both"

SAME STOCK HOREPOWER but the kfx has more torque(horsepower sells cars torque wins races) both quads have 38 HP at the rear wheels stock.
kawasaki has better handling, shocks, geometry, aluminum frame, fuel injection stronger stock rims.
both are very reliable honda may have an advantage here


should i list on? im comparing stock for stock because thats the only way i can compare. im sure your houser/fox honda runs great hondarider but its not my style.


also the reason honda always has more races down. THEY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEMS ALREADY. the kfx450 has been out for 2 years and they are still figuring things out. im sure when its been out for 5 years it will be winning racesjust as much as honda.


EDIT*. yes the honda is MUCH easier to work on i do agree on that. also i know a pro am racer who has two race ready ltr450's. he's fed up dealing with taking everything off of it just to get to one part. so guess who he's switching to? KAWASAKI. guess where wienen went after dominating with suzuki.. KAWASAKI. guess who won the first heat at glen helen? KAWASAKI.

[Mxjunkie]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
youve never ridden a kfx you ignorant douche(@hondarider). i will leave it at that. because i do not like htis person at all and im gunna be the bigger person and ignore him.




Dude keep this bullcrap for PM's.. It won't be tolerated at all, post kind or don't post at all.

BTW, spell check homie.. :ermm:

[k4f5x0r]

sorry :o . i let that slip out. ill edit it out. and yea my keyboard is wireless and turns on and off occasionally.... thats for the missing letters and spaces :p

[Mxjunkie]

Thank you, Keep it clean you guys.. It's just a thread my god I thought I was in a nascar pit yard during a Chevy vs Ford pissing match! lol . :eek2:


Some people like the honda, some people don't.. Everyone can voice what they feel without getting a critic about it if you ask me. ;)

[05LSR250R]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
Thank you, Keep it clean you guys.. It's just a thread my god I thought I was in a nascar pit yard during a Chevy vs Ford pissing match.. :eek2:


Some people like the honda, some people don't.. Everyone can voice what they feel without getting a critic about it if you ask me. ;)

Whoa! Careful there big buddy! Dont give these guys any ide'ers about a new useless thread! LMAO!

[k4f5x0r]

yea but ive spoken to honda rider about it before. he never lets anyone else speak there opinion out and bases his judgements on rumors. i based all of my opinoins off of me PERSONALLY riding both quads.

I had to choose between a 08 kfx450 and a 05trx450. i knew the reputation the trx had. but i went with the kfx because of the technology, the comfortable seating(besides that hard @$$ seat :scary: ) and i overall liked the quad very much. reverse has saved me a bunch of times where i rolled over berms from coming in too hot when other guys on LTR's and TRX's go over they gotta get off and drag the rear end around... funny to watch :D

[Mxjunkie]

Originally posted by 05LSR250R
Whoa! Careful there big buddy! Dont give these guys any ide'ers about a new useless thread! LMAO!

lol yeaaah I feel you guys out there getting a little sick of the this vs that threads! :p

let's see some riding pictures, riding videos, your redneck stunts hell anything other then debates lol :blah:



I say honda should make a darn 2010 250r so I can ride a brand new quad for once lol.. It's a bitach bein a 2 stroke guy in a 4 stroke world.. Common honda I'll even be your test rider for the thing lol I wouldn't let Honda put you in the dumps, I'm sure they have something they are working on.. After all they did just come out with the Clarity which is a hydrogen car... Most important car since the gasoline car.. Honda's a good company overall if you think about it, It's the overall big picture that you have to take a look at.. for their best intrest the automotive industry is the king pin in the whole works. SO if we have to sit back and wait for the new update so be it, least I know it's good and tested. :p

[k4f5x0r]

yea i wish they would bring out the trx250r again. just fuel inject it to make it meet emmition standards. out of all the honda's the 250r is one of my all time favorite. saw one in person and :eek2:


on a happier note. heres a picture of an orange tree :p

<a href="http://media.photobucket.com/image/orange tree/emrox2000/Rome AKA Roma/100_1830.jpg?o=10" target="_blank"><img src="http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/emrox2000/Rome%20AKA%20Roma/100_1830.jpg" border="0"></a>

[k4f5x0r]

from what i recall "kawasaki's are junk, they light on fire and they blow tranny's all the time" when theyre were a few reports of them lighting on fire because of a GAS LEAK ONTO THE HEADER causing a fire. and as for trannies going out honda isnt on to talk about that. they have tranny issues majorly. ive only heard of a few kfx's having tranny issues and thats ofcourse by hardcore racers.. i think ive onnly heard of 3rd gear blowing out and that was because of wear. 2 years of hard riding before it went too.

[Mxjunkie]

I remeber when the cranks went bad in the few first year Honda's and it was almosted doomed that if you had a 450r it was junk because the crank goes bad.. Kinda the same thing it happens everywhere, once a problem is heard about a quad it's screwed hah.. :p

Kinda like asking you guys who want's a cannondale? :p

[Ralph]

these wars are endless...

All i'm stating is this, from Honda's perspective:

They sell tons of units and owners are happy.

"Don't fix whats not broken"

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I think we got a little off topic. The thread is about Honda's lack of race support which we can all agree is crappy.

[k4f5x0r]

okay and i know ALOT of people that race and have NO problems at all with them.

hey guess what honda's are junk because they blow trannies too. they throw cranks they spin bearings. honda's must be REAL junk because all of that happens

dude. **** happens. just because its happened ot one person doesnt mean its a common problems.

truce. both quads have their ups and downs and although we cant agree on it both quads are good quads. each has its own problem but what quad doesnt? if its ridden the way its supposed ot be anything will have an issue eventually its all in the preventitive maintenance.

im done arguing from here. it just gets everyone frustrated LOL :D

[reptikes]

Next year the TRX450R will be what we've all been wiating for. :devil:

[ProspectorJim]

I think if more companies start offering incentives to switch to their bikes, like can-am is doing, Honda is going to be in big trouble.

[hondariderdylan]

wow

this thread has blown up in just a day:eek2:

i never meant to start a honda vs kawi war but oh well, out of my control

i just think honda should show the quad guys a little love becuase of what they do in the dirt bike world and what they did back in the 3 wheeler days, none today

but what you guys are saying is true

[scuzz]

<----- loves his Honda 700XX, and the fact that Honda decided to make it.

[toby400ex]

Honda will take their sweet time and release a bike that will once again dominate. Their just really is not anything wrong with the 450r.... I like my yfz but I'll ride the chit out of a 450r any day. I'd trade my quad for one of equal value because I know they're more reliable and I love their ergonomics.

[450ice]

cant wait to see what honda is up too, but i dont no about efi, i hear even the pros with efi switch to carbs so it will be interesting to c

[ALAMX37]

What are the Pro privateers running? Wonder why. Honda has one if not the best platform to build a race bike. Mx guys replace the same stuff on every model anyway. Honda out sells every brand by large numbers, why change it when you own the market. At my locals there are 3 honda's for every 1 of anything else.
Look at the holeshot pics from the first two rounds, notice a trend? They are great bikes with great potential.

[motofreak2772]

They should come stock with a stabilizer... that would be a first and it would be a great addition.

[SPDSNYPR]

With quad sales in the toilet and the economy not faring so well, it seems like dumping money into a completely re-worked quad doesn't seem likely to me. But hey - it's all speculation anyway.

[elementryder]

in stock form the honda 450 is horrible, i liked riding my 300ex in stock form better than the 450. but after we got the 450 to race form it works great. and i like all the 450s well except the can-ams and polaris obviously. but i know chad weinen had 3dnfs out of the last 4 motos he ran on his kawi. everythings personal preference. i would like to see honda come out with a newer 450r, but it doesnt need an aluminum frame its already on of the lightest bikes in kicker form and it doesnt need efi, the carb is working great as you can see

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
comparing stock to stock.

kawsaki VS honda BONE STOCK for both"

SAME STOCK HOREPOWER but the kfx has more torque(horsepower sells cars torque wins races) both quads have 38 HP at the rear wheels stock.
kawasaki has better handling, shocks, geometry, aluminum frame, fuel injection stronger stock rims.
both are very reliable honda may have an advantage here


should i list on? im comparing stock for stock because thats the only way i can compare. im sure your houser/fox honda runs great hondarider but its not my style.


also the reason honda always has more races down. THEY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEMS ALREADY. the kfx450 has been out for 2 years and they are still figuring things out. im sure when its been out for 5 years it will be winning racesjust as much as honda.


EDIT*. yes the honda is MUCH easier to work on i do agree on that. also i know a pro am racer who has two race ready ltr450's. he's fed up dealing with taking everything off of it just to get to one part. so guess who he's switching to? KAWASAKI. guess where wienen went after dominating with suzuki.. KAWASAKI. guess who won the first heat at glen helen? KAWASAKI.

That's because Wienen didn't have much else of a choice. Suzuki let him go and Kawasaki was the next best choice.

[k4f5x0r]

also josh creamer is one of his good friends and he liked the feel of the front end on the kfx450 more then the ltr.

[madskrillz2]

Where's FHK when you need him. He'll come in here and clear things up with Wienen.

[elementryder]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
also josh creamer is one of his good friends and he liked the feel of the front end on the kfx450 more then the ltr.

haha i guess he likes the feel of DNFs also

[FHKracingZ]

Originally posted by madskrillz2
Where's FHK when you need him. He'll come in here and clear things up with Wienen.

Haha o boy.. Wienen went to kawi because they gave him the best deal, at all the pro's level of racing its all about the business side of it.

Also just to let you know, the Kawi's are 4hp less than a fully built suzuki or honda, thats just fact, why do you think baldwin dropped there kawi deal after 07. Mark told me personally he couldn't find power out of them and even with a carb couldn't get it figured out..

honda has alot better support for racing than you realize.. This year they are supporting Clay Holmes, Joe Byrd, Harold Goodman, and Josh Upperman..

I also heard from a little birdy honda gave upperman 6 bikes last year and paid for all the travel exspenses to the races.. Sounds preety good sponsorship to me? If they want there business plan for ATV racing is to do the sponsoring more secretly and let the bike speak more than there support let it be, better than not having them in the sport.

Also I know josh personally and he is a awsome rider and could ride the wheels off of a john deere lawnmower if he had to race it.. You guys gotta realize they are getting paid to say they are riding the best bike out there, you think there gonna say some other bike is better than what there getting paid to say is the best? No way

[300extreme#8]

Haha I can't remember where I heard this from but didn't Honda get a lot of lawsuits over the 250r? I'm pretty sure they signed some contract that they would not sale anything race ready for 20 years or so. Think about it? 300ex 400ex and 450r aren't competitive stock but once modified they r the best. I say wait and see what the next step is.. What year was the 250r over ruled? Pretty much 20 years ago....

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Haha o boy.. Wienen went to kawi because they gave him the best deal, at all the pro's level of racing its all about the business side of it.

Also just to let you know, the Kawi's are 4hp less than a fully built suzuki or honda, thats just fact, why do you think baldwin dropped there kawi deal after 07. Mark told me personally he couldn't find power out of them and even with a carb couldn't get it figured out..

honda has alot better support for racing than you realize.. This year they are supporting Clay Holmes, Joe Byrd, Harold Goodman, and Josh Upperman..

I also heard from a little birdy honda gave upperman 6 bikes last year and paid for all the travel exspenses to the races.. Sounds preety good sponsorship to me? If they want there business plan for ATV racing is to do the sponsoring more secretly and let the bike speak more than there support let it be, better than not having them in the sport.

Also I know josh personally and he is a awsome rider and could ride the wheels off of a john deere lawnmower if he had to race it.. You guys gotta realize they are getting paid to say they are riding the best bike out there, you think there gonna say some other bike is better than what there getting paid to say is the best? No way

Thank you kind sir. Lmao, I just didn't wanna type somethin that might be borderline truth.

[450rJam]

man oh man, mr kfx does have an inferiority complex

the kfx has some nice style into the plastics
(its at the bottom in every other aspect)

kawi should have stayed on zuki's nut sack and just made a green ltr450 like the 400

honda will update the 450r when the market is right

im pretty happy with my 06 right now, heck I have had the latest greatest quad honda has to offer for over 3 years now

honda, if your listening.......... upgrade shocks and put the 04/05 front end on the 2010 and I will buy another one

[k4f5x0r]

im not even gunna bother anymore. go ahead its a peice of junk for all you guys that have never sat on,ridden,raced it. its a 2 year quad compared to your 5 year quad and your expecting it to have the same abilities and should have it all figured out already.

all i will say is, when the quad doesnt blow up(because they havent figured out the god damn motor yet) creamer dominated. he held front the entire first heat in glen helen and claimed 2nd in the 2nd heat. How about that for a peice of junk?

Well now since im probably gunna get bashed by a few egotistical honda-tard's, im not gunna bother coming back to this topic. Go ahead have fun, be the internet bully that everyone loves to be. I personally know a pro am racer that i ride with weekly and the only reason he likes the honda is because its easy to work on. he hates EVERYTHING about it after riding his LTR for 2 years. Now he's switching to the kfx because guess why?! HE LIKES IT.

All of you honda guys are so sensitive to honda being bashed. i admitted they dominated for the past few years because there prettty much was no compition until 06. Now that all you guys are so used to your honda and everything is figured out all nice and good you are just scared to go try something new.

Bye have fun, oh and honda rider.. Ill take my kfx straight to your moms house ;)

[450rJam]

this is a thread about honda and the trx450r and what honda is going to or not going to do

what kind of jerk off would brink the kawasucki into the post ?

then get upset when he realizes his kfx is no match

also funny he wants to compair stock to stock but then
make claims about pro riders ??????????

how many stock parts does he think are on any pro level quad?

who the heck cares what quad creamer thinks is more comfy ?

[450rJam]

also funny that he had his choice of an 05 450r or an 08 kfx

lets compair a 69 camaro and a 1977 mustang ????

HE HASNT GOT A CLUE

[motofreak2772]

Originally posted by hondarider11
Oh and about there being no competition until 2006 explain how joe byrd won the 2006 and 2007 national championship and came in second last year? Oh and who did he loose to? A SUZUKI!!!!!! If I were to try something new it would be a suzuki becuase suzuki and honda are easily dominating. Kawasaki has the riders but not the quads. Yamaha has the quads but not the riders (Pat Brown). Face it kid you do not know enough about quads and racing to back anything up that you say. Go to a national or big race like a NEATV or PAMX race and you will see what is winning and it sure is not a kawaski. I am talking about the amateur level too. The only reason you said you are not coming back here is becuase you can not handle the facts and knowing you are wrong. You are the one being sensitive coming into a honda forum and arguing about your slow piece of junk.
Uhh... I havent seen Cody Gibson loose once since ive seen him ride. His Kawi seems to be holding up pretty good too, so I wouldnt count the kfx's out just yet. and lmao @ yamaha having the quad but not the rider...
Getting a different quad wont make you a faster rider, and just cuz a championship is won on a certain quad doesnt mean you will be able to win on it too. It comes down to how comfortable you feel on the quad, how good of a rider you are, and if the bike holds up. Yeah some bikes have more problems than others but there isnt any problem that cant be fixed and there deffinatley isnt a quad that doesnt have problems. So forget what other people ride and make your own judgments, you may prefer something everyone else hates...

[motofreak2772]

Originally posted by hondarider11
Oh and about there being no competition until 2006 explain how joe byrd won the 2006 and 2007 national championship and came in second last year? Oh and who did he loose to? A SUZUKI!!!!!! If I were to try something new it would be a suzuki becuase suzuki and honda are easily dominating. Kawasaki has the riders but not the quads. Yamaha has the quads but not the riders (Pat Brown). Face it kid you do not know enough about quads and racing to back anything up that you say. Go to a national or big race like a NEATV or PAMX race and you will see what is winning and it sure is not a kawaski. I am talking about the amateur level too. The only reason you said you are not coming back here is becuase you can not handle the facts and knowing you are wrong. You are the one being sensitive coming into a honda forum and arguing about your slow piece of junk.
Uhh... I havent seen Cody Gibson loose once since ive seen him ride. His Kawi seems to be holding up pretty good too, so I wouldnt count the kfx's out just yet. and lmao @ yamaha having the quad but not the rider...
Getting a different quad wont make you a faster rider, and just cuz a championship is won on a certain quad doesnt mean you will be able to win on it too. It comes down to how comfortable you feel on the quad, how good of a rider you are, and if the bike holds up. Yeah some bikes have more problems than others but there isnt any problem that cant be fixed and there deffinatley isnt a quad that doesnt have problems. So forget what other people ride and make your own judgments, you may prefer something everyone else hates...

[coryatver]

The kawi front shock mounts are in the wrong spot so you can't lower the bike enough and the motor is limited on modificaton potential and the seat height is to high because the sub frame angle is a bad design which makes it handle bad. Its a trail bike not a race quad as you can see from kawi's result they can't even finish a race without blowing it up or breaking and they have a factory team with the best mechanics and resources available to them how is a privateer soposed to keep it running.

[spanky101]

Comparing the pro quads to any of our bikes is a horrible analogy. The pro quads are tuned to put out the most power and not last long, and that wont work for any of us.
The kfx is a very capable machine with limited riders due to the hard economic times we are facing right now. Kawi came out a little bit later, helped their design but the economy didnt help. It comes down to what you like and what you want. All the bikes are capable with the same work done to them. Its easy to buy a race ready honda for 5-8 grand and be done compared to building a brand new bike from scratch. 08 leftovers are goin for about 5-5.5 grand plus youll need suspension and motor upgrades. We all know how costly it can be to build a race ready machine.

[elementryder]

Originally posted by motofreak2772
Uhh... I havent seen Cody Gibson loose once since ive seen him ride. His Kawi seems to be holding up pretty good too, so I wouldnt count the kfx's out just yet. and lmao @ yamaha having the quad but not the rider...
Getting a different quad wont make you a faster rider, and just cuz a championship is won on a certain quad doesnt mean you will be able to win on it too. It comes down to how comfortable you feel on the quad, how good of a rider you are, and if the bike holds up. Yeah some bikes have more problems than others but there isnt any problem that cant be fixed and there deffinatley isnt a quad that doesnt have problems. So forget what other people ride and make your own judgments, you may prefer something everyone else hates...


haha wow, when i was in florida gibsons kawi spent more time sitting in the back of a truck broken than ridden. and look threw the amature ranks, honda dominates

[SPDSNYPR]

I'm absolutely shocked to see this thread turn in to a pissing match. Almost passed out from the surprise. :rolleyes:

[quadracer707]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
comparing stock to stock.

kawsaki VS honda BONE STOCK for both"

SAME STOCK HOREPOWER but the kfx has more torque(horsepower sells cars torque wins races) both quads have 38 HP at the rear wheels stock.
kawasaki has better handling, shocks, geometry, aluminum frame, fuel injection stronger stock rims.
both are very reliable honda may have an advantage here


should i list on? im comparing stock for stock because thats the only way i can compare. im sure your houser/fox honda runs great hondarider but its not my style.


also the reason honda always has more races down. THEY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEMS ALREADY. the kfx450 has been out for 2 years and they are still figuring things out. im sure when its been out for 5 years it will be winning racesjust as much as honda.


EDIT*. yes the honda is MUCH easier to work on i do agree on that. also i know a pro am racer who has two race ready ltr450's. he's fed up dealing with taking everything off of it just to get to one part. so guess who he's switching to? KAWASAKI. guess where wienen went after dominating with suzuki.. KAWASAKI. guess who won the first heat at glen helen? KAWASAKI.

Guess who came in 18th 19th & 20th last week at Alabama, Kawasaki!!!!

[Jersey450R]

Tis thread was a waste of 20 minutes

[spanky101]

This thread is a waste. People are brand loyal and it will always be that way. The honda is a great machine modded for mx, but stock its pretty much a joke. Kawi isnt an ideal stock mx machine either. Its all based upon brand loyalty, all have done things to make the sport progress in different ways. Honda's support is just, well there isnt any support. Kawi has many factory backed am's.

havent had a say yet, seems like the topic wandered off course. So heres what I have to say. Who cares your not getting their factory support anyways why worry? Most of us arent in the sport to be strictly on the latest and best thing anyways. How many have the money to sell their quad and buy the newest model? Brands dont win races, good racers win races. Throw a good rider on anything and they can win. Comfort is a big factor and so is price. Hey I wish I could afford a brand new race ready quad but I dont have $11k to spend on a quad nor would I from a dealership. Honda knows what they are doing, if they are still selling the same design why change? They tend to update more slowly which is a good thing so they can observe what the others have done and slowly progress.

[hondariderdylan]

well now that my thread has been completely changed from what it started from
few things

brands wars, make another thread about it and dont trash mine with 3 pages of this:

kawi sucks
no honda sucks
no kawi sucks
no honda sucks
no kawi sucks
no honda sucks
no kawi sucks
no honda sucks
no kawi sucks

brand wars are ok but this thread is about honda not supporting quad racing as much as they used to and updates on the 450R, not what pro racers think is better, not if fuel injection sucks or what not

its about HONDA and the 450R
thats it

[BLU82]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
comparing stock to stock.

kawsaki VS honda BONE STOCK for both"

SAME STOCK HOREPOWER but the kfx has more torque(horsepower sells cars torque wins races) both quads have 38 HP at the rear wheels stock.
kawasaki has better handling, shocks, geometry, aluminum frame, fuel injection stronger stock rims.
both are very reliable honda may have an advantage here


should i list on? im comparing stock for stock because thats the only way i can compare. im sure your houser/fox honda runs great hondarider but its not my style.


also the reason honda always has more races down. THEY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEMS ALREADY. the kfx450 has been out for 2 years and they are still figuring things out. im sure when its been out for 5 years it will be winning racesjust as much as honda.


EDIT*. yes the honda is MUCH easier to work on i do agree on that. also i know a pro am racer who has two race ready ltr450's. he's fed up dealing with taking everything off of it just to get to one part. so guess who he's switching to? KAWASAKI. guess where wienen went after dominating with suzuki.. KAWASAKI. guess who won the first heat at glen helen? KAWASAKI.
Heres where the whole problem started. For no reason you started to compare your Kawi to the Honda. Why? Look at what I ride. I did'nt feel the need to argue how much better I think it is. That's not what this thread is about. If I did'nt have my Kfx then I would be on a Honda for sure. But I like to be different and liked the F.I the Kawi offered. Anyway let's try to get back on point here. To recap, the Honda is good, but in order in keep up with the other brands they need to update the TRX. I don't care what way you look at it. It's the way competion works.

[hondariderdylan]

Originally posted by BLU82
Heres where the whole problem started. For no reason you started to compare your Kawi to the Honda. Why? Look at what I ride. I did'nt feel the need to argue how much better I think it is. That's not what this thread is about. If I did'nt have my Kfx then I would be on a Honda for sure. But I like to be different and liked the F.I the Kawi offered. Anyway let's try to get back on point here. To recap, the Honda is good, but in order in keep up with the other brands they need to update the TRX. I don't care what way you look at it. It's the way competion works.

thank you,

example about what i started this thread about,
just read my new quad magazine and they were comparing the 48-50' wide MX machines, all decently competitve with reativly few mods, honda was not in this test


i think can am and KTM have it down pat the best
Can Am
average joe:ds450
woods racer:ds450X XC
MX racer:ds450X MX

KTM:
Woods racer/rider: 450XC
woods racer:525XC
MX racer/rider:450SX
MXracer:505SX

even Yamaha:
average joe/woods racer/rider: yfz450
mx/desert Racer:yfz450R


just asking for like the 3rd time on this thread that honda show sport quad guys some love, please

[k4f5x0r]

ill admit to being the idiot to bring up the pointless debate :ermm: . i cant even remember why i did. LOL.

sorry for bringing this whole thread into another company debate.


onto the actual topic. i expect alot from honda in the next few years. 1 if they do bring out an updated model i beleive they should back it with some average joe support aswell as factory team support for byrd and upperman.

even if they dont bring anything new out they should atleast get a support going for their riders, give them a reason to stay with honda(other then they like it). I know alot of riders switched to can am and KTM because they do offer support. mainly can am. if you can get the entire sponsorship from can am you only pay about 5 grand for the quad and you get a huge chunk off any factory parts you buy :eek2:

[hondariderdylan]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
ill admit to being the idiot to bring up the pointless debate :ermm: . i cant even remember why i did. LOL.

sorry for bringing this whole thread into another company debate.


onto the actual topic. i expect alot from honda in the next few years. 1 if they do bring out an updated model i beleive they should back it with some average joe support aswell as factory team support for byrd and upperman.

even if they dont bring anything new out they should atleast get a support going for their riders, give them a reason to stay with honda(other then they like it). I know alot of riders switched to can am and KTM because they do offer support. mainly can am. if you can get the entire sponsorship from can am you only pay about 5 grand for the quad and you get a huge chunk off any factory parts you buy :eek2:



no harm no foul

but yes
while i dont think honda will ever give support like can-am does, some support more than they offer now would be great

(its a good thing byrd likes honda):p
im hoping for next year



you always have to keep an eye on big red:D

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
ill admit to being the idiot to bring up the pointless debate :ermm: . i cant even remember why i did. LOL.

sorry for bringing this whole thread into another company debate.


onto the actual topic. i expect alot from honda in the next few years. 1 if they do bring out an updated model i beleive they should back it with some average joe support aswell as factory team support for byrd and upperman.

even if they dont bring anything new out they should atleast get a support going for their riders, give them a reason to stay with honda(other then they like it). I know alot of riders switched to can am and KTM because they do offer support. mainly can am. if you can get the entire sponsorship from can am you only pay about 5 grand for the quad and you get a huge chunk off any factory parts you buy :eek2:

Hey at least you're mature enough to admit it unlike 99% of the other idiots on here. For those talking about Cody's holding together, he was at Mill Creek the weekend before racing our local race and DNF'd a few laps into his moto.

[Ruby Soho]

its funny how 5 years ago we thought the 450r was the best thing under the sun..:p

[scuzz]

Originally posted by Ruby Soho
its funny how 5 years ago we thought the 450r was the best thing under the sun..:p


That pretty much applies to anything though...

[hondariderdylan]

Originally posted by scuzz
That pretty much applies to anything though...

in a few years we are going to look back and say

"dam dude, those KTM's sure were fast back then, nobody could touch em"

by then were going to be riding TRX 1000R's, and LTR 1000 quadracers:D

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by Ruby Soho
its funny how 5 years ago we thought the 450r was the best thing under the sun..:p

Actually that was when everybody thought the YFZ was the best mx machine. Boy has that changed.

[tt racer]

Anyway all you guys defending honda and the reputation the bottom line is to make a looooong story short honda has sold plenty enough 450rs to invest in a better one for its loyal customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:

[tt racer]

PS; 3 FU$$ING YEARS AGO!

[extremeblastr]

Originally posted by hondarider11
Oh and about there being no competition until 2006 explain how joe byrd won the 2006 and 2007 national championship and came in second last year? Oh and who did he loose to? A SUZUKI!!!!!! If I were to try something new it would be a suzuki becuase suzuki and honda are easily dominating. Kawasaki has the riders but not the quads. Yamaha has the quads but not the riders (Pat Brown). Face it kid you do not know enough about quads and racing to back anything up that you say. Go to a national or big race like a NEATV or PAMX race and you will see what is winning and it sure is not a kawaski. I am talking about the amateur level too. The only reason you said you are not coming back here is becuase you can not handle the facts and knowing you are wrong. You are the one being sensitive coming into a honda forum and arguing about your slow piece of junk.

not to burst your bubble or anything but kawi is what is winning at neatv my friend, yes other then that its zuk and honda but the lotsssss of people at neatv have made the switch to kawi.

[scuzz]

Originally posted by extremeblastr
not to burst your bubble or anything but kawi is what is winning at neatv my friend, yes other then that its zuk and honda but the lotsssss of people at neatv have made the switch to kawi.


I would hope so since they are the only manufacturer sponsoring it:

http://www.neatv-mx.com/Sponsors.html

[300extreme#8]

Originally posted by motofreak2772
Uhh... I havent seen Cody Gibson loose once since ive seen him ride. His Kawi seems to be holding up pretty good too, so I wouldnt count the kfx's out just yet. and lmao @ yamaha having the quad but not the rider...
Getting a different quad wont make you a faster rider, and just cuz a championship is won on a certain quad doesnt mean you will be able to win on it too. It comes down to how comfortable you feel on the quad, how good of a rider you are, and if the bike holds up. Yeah some bikes have more problems than others but there isnt any problem that cant be fixed and there deffinatley isnt a quad that doesnt have problems. So forget what other people ride and make your own judgments, you may prefer something everyone else hates...



hahahahahahahaha go ask cody yourself, he said himself they CANNOT keep a motor together longer than 2 hours. they are having problems but they will eventually get worked out.