2009 AMA ATV Motocross Nationals #2 - Mill Creek - Live ATV Race Coverage (

[Admin]

Pell City, AL - The top motocross riders on four-wheels head to round two of the chase for the most prestigious championship in their sport this Sunday at the legendary Millcreek Motocross Park in Pell City, Alabama, just outside of Birmingham. The event features the pro portion of the AMA ATV Motocross Championship, and also serves as the opening round of the amateur portion of the Moose Racing/ITP Tires AMA ATV Motocross Championship presented by Parts Unlimited.

Millcreek Raceway has become a favorite on the tour, as the track features wide lanes, flowing natural jumps and enormous elevation changes. Tickets on Sunday are $15 for fans ($10 for ages 6-11), and admission includes full pro pit access, and an autograph session. As part of the event, Moose Racing and Parts Unlimited will host a dinner show at the track on Saturday night, with dinner served free to racers and their families.

Rockstar Makita Suzuki rider Dustin Wimmer leads the way as the defending AMA Pro ATV Motocross Champion. He also took the win at round one of the 2009 tour at Glen Helen Raceway in California just two weeks ago. The Center Valley, Pa. resident expects a challenge at Millcreek from Joe Byrd, the 2006 and 2007 AMA Pro Motocross Series' Champion on a Honda from Union City, Tennessee who came in third at Glen Helen. Josh Creamer, of the Monster Energy Kawasaki team, took second at Glen Helen and could prove to be Wimmer's toughest competitor this season. In addition, nationally-recognized stars including Doug Gust, John Natalie, Jeremy Lawson, Chad Wienen will make up a full gate of talent in the pro class, backed by high-budget factory race teams. Hometown hero, Keith Little of Spruce Pine, Ala., will also be there on his Monster Energy Kawasaki.

The pro class will feature two 20-minute races on Sunday, taking place at noon and 3 p.m., with the combined scores of both races determining the overall winner.

The pro riders will run as part of a full schedule of amateur racing, including classes for Youth, Women and veteran riders. Amateurs will practice on Friday and race on Saturday and Sunday. Pros will practice on Saturday and race on Sunday.

To get to the track from Birmingham take I-20 East to Exit # 156; turn South and take first road on the right which is Roberts Mill Rd. Track is a short distance on the left.

[Admin]

The Pro-Am Production Race is set to start at 12:00PM Central Time, and the Pro Race will start at around 12:20PM

24 Pros signed up, so there was an LCQ with 5 Pros fighting for the final 2 spots in the Pro Main.

Keith Little grabbed the Holeshot and lead for 2 laps till an electrical issue sent him to the pits and out of the main.

Cale Downen took over the lead followed by Trent Kendall for several laps, but in the final laps, Russell Shumaker made the pass on Kendal to claim the final spot in the main.

[Raptorchick]

Pro-am Production is on the line

[Raptorchick]

Cody Gibson grabs the holeshot

[Raptorchick]

Gibson is leading with Randy Lehr in second

[Lostcause]

Lets go Heimes and Williams!!!!

[Raptorchick]

Randy Lehr and Josh Williams are in a heated battle for second while Gibson tries to check out in first

[Lostcause]

Im quessing will be 7 laps

[Lostcause]

Did williams wreck?

[Raptorchick]

not sure how many laps and can't get an update right now because my call just dropped so I have no clue what's going on there

[quad2xtreme]

link to realtime action (http://escoremx.tracksideresults.com/results/atvamx/2009/liveresults.asp)

watch the electronic scoring...

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by Lostcause
Did williams wreck?

didn't finish any laps after 3. maybe a wreck or maybe his quad quit.

[Raptorchick]

Going off of the live feed we have:
Gibson
Grant
Ross
Heimes
Lehr
Travis
Snapp
Moore
Cottage
Porter

[Lostcause]

Looks like 8 laps.
Gibson
Grant
Heimes

[quad2xtreme]

Pro-Am Race Results and the last number is how many laps completed.

1st #40 Gibson, C KFX 8
2nd #18/ Grant, C Suzuki 8
3rd #7 Heimes, D Suzuki 8
4th #815 Ross, B Kawasaki
5th #110 Lehr, R Honda 8
6th #151 Travis, A KTM 8
7th #22 Snapp, C Suzuki 8
8th #69 Moore, T Honda 8
9th #100 Porter, C Honda 8
10th #14/ Cottage, W Honda 8
11th #179 Hurst, L Polaris 8
12th #74 Meyer, A Polaris 8
13th #28 Bruening, J KTM 8
14th #91/ Deering, R Honda 8
15th #012 Bishop, E Honda 8
16th #31 Clark, A KTM 8
17th #171 Stout, B Yamaha 7
18th #87 Winchester, M Honda 5
19th #714 Williams, J Suzuki 3
20th #375 Martin, C Honda 1

[Lostcause]

OK..... Looks like the pros are fixin to go.

Im going out on a limb and have Cale Downen finishing in the top 5.

[Raptorchick]

Williams crashed and broke his femur. they are moving him off the track now.

[Lostcause]

Josh?

[Lostcause]

That is tooo bad.

[Lostcause]

Wow.. It is quiet on here today!

[LTR450_#67]

Yeah it is.....That sucks for Josh.....I honestly think he would have caught and passed Gibson.

[serious4play]

Hi i can't get the live link can you reset it?

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by Lostcause
Josh?

must be Josh

19th #714 Williams, J Suzuki 3

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by serious4play
Hi i can't get the live link can you reset it?

pretty sure it is because nothing is being reported right now.

[Raptorchick]

yes, it was josh.sorry about the typo. as soon as they get him safely off the track the pros will go.

[Lostcause]

Let me tell you.

I got to watch Gibson, Williams, and Heimes this past winter in the SSQSA Series and these guys are Fast. That is who I think will walk away with the overall at the end of the year.

Well not Williams now....

Great person

[serious4play]

Cheers, im just checking in from Ireland to see how the pro guys get on. Are the Pro guys getting ready to race now??

[8686]

Go Harold Goodman!

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by serious4play
Cheers, im just checking in from Ireland to see how the pro guys get on. Are the Pro guys getting ready to race now??

Welcome!
The pros are lining up and they will be going soon.

[serious4play]

Thanks Raptor, my money is on Natalie, hopefully Gust will put in a good show. what time is it with you so i know the time difference and what time does the second race go of?

[Raptorchick]

parade lap is about to begin

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by serious4play
Thanks Raptor, my money is on Natalie, hopefully Gust will put in a good show. what time is it with you so i know the time difference and what time does the second race go of?

It is almost 1pm at the track now. the second pro moto goes at around 3pm.

[serious4play]

thats great thanks for keeping us up to date.

[Raptorchick]

almost time!

[Raptorchick]

Nich denoble gets the holeshot! josh creamer crashed and is off the track

[serious4play]

I take it we don't have live stream video?
Just thought i would ask!!!!

[serious4play]

I take it we don't have live stream video?
Just thought i would ask!!!!

[Raptorchick]

looks like cody miller may have been caught in the crash as well

[Raptorchick]

upperman is now in the lead followed by wimmer then denoble

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
upperman
denoble
natalie
goodman

[Raptorchick]

wienen just passed goodman for 5th

[Raptorchick]

wimmer 5 second lead

[Raptorchick]

natalie up to third

[Raptorchick]

wienen in 4th, byrd in 5th

[quad2xtreme]

1st #1 Wimmer, D Suzuki 3 01:51.882 --.---
2nd #20 Upperman, J Honda 3 01:54.636 00:04.715
3rd #13 Natalie Jr, J Can Am 3 01:53.063 00:01.709
4th #44 Wienen, C Kawasaki 3 01:54.494 00:02.730
5th #7 Byrd, J Honda 3 01:53.129 00:00.258

[quad2xtreme]

byrd got my Wienen

[serious4play]

What happened to Warnia??

[Raptorchick]

byrd takes 4th away from wienen

[Raptorchick]

natalie and byrd are all over upperman

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by serious4play
What happened to Warnia??

he got caught in the first turn crash

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
natalie
upperman
byrd
wienen

[Raptorchick]

byrd around upperman and after natalie

[Raptorchick]

natalie's bike is broke!!!!

[quad2xtreme]

3 of my favorite 4 riders in the top 3. :D Come on Doug!!!

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
byrd
upperman
wienen


natalie is out

[Raptorchick]

wimmer has a 10 second lead!

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
byrd
upperman
lawson
denoble
t brown
p brown
gee
holmes
goodman

[Raptorchick]

upperman scored fastest laptime in lap 4 with a 1:50

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by raptorchick
wimmer has a 10 second lead!

now a 12 second lead...he is pulling away

[jasonjonesjj]

what happened to wienen?

[Raptorchick]

lawson gaining on upperman

[OutlawEX]

Natailie Update-Engine related,started smoking then he was off track

[easman31]

What happened to Wienen??

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by jasonjonesjj
what happened to wienen?

I think he's having bike issues

[Raptorchick]

2 laps to go

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
byrd
upperman
lawson
t brown

[Raptorchick]

white flag is out

[atvracingfan7]

Originally posted by raptorchick
wimmer
byrd
upperman
lawson
t brown

WOW KAWASAKI IS HAVING A REALLY BAD DAY!!! IS SHUMAKER STILL IN THE RACE?

[Raptorchick]

wimmer takes the win!

[raptoric]

T.Brown having a nice day coming through the pack
good to see the new yama doing well

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by jasonjonesjj
what happened to wienen?

Honestly, KAWI engines suck...nobody wants to say it though so there you have it. Wienen and Creamer were never a pick for mine as I said they couldn't complete a race.

Kawi's 3 riders finished 18, 19, 20.

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by atvracingfan7
WOW KAWASAKI IS HAVING A REALLY BAD DAY!!! IS SHUMAKER STILL IN THE RACE?

last place...all did 7 laps.

[LTR450_#67]

Denoble didn't do to bad either.

[OutlawEX]

Originally posted by atvracingfan7
WOW KAWASAKI IS HAVING A REALLY BAD DAY!!! IS SHUMAKER STILL IN THE RACE?

At least kawi can make it through a race

Poor natialie. 1 year of pure bad luck and counting on 2 it seems now. Canam has trained professional mechanics and the best of best but their frames,engines just cant take the abuse like all others. JUNK

[Raptorchick]

unofficial moto one results

wimmer
byrd
upperman
lawson
t brown
denoble
p brown
homes
gee
gust
goodman
pelchat
smith
warnia
miller
downen
natalie
wienen
creamer
shumaker

[atvracingfan7]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
Honestly, KAWI engines suck...nobody wants to say it though so there you have it. Wienen and Creamer were never a pick for mine as I said they couldn't complete a race.

Kawi's 3 riders finished 18, 19, 20.

AND LITTLE WASN'T EVEN IN THE MAIN BCUZ HE DIDN'T MAKE IT THRU THE LCQ - I THINK SOME ENGINE PROBLEM. YIKES!!

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by OutlawEX
At least kawi can make it through a race

Poor natialie. 1 year of pure bad luck and counting on 2 it seems now. Canam has trained professional mechanics and the best of best but their frames,engines just cant take the abuse like all others. JUNK

Other than last week for Creamer, they've had quite a bit of problems. Both Creamer and Wienen didn't finish practice races out west before the AMA ATV Nationals kicked off 2 weeks ago.

[OutlawEX]

Wienen update- I guess his bike wasnt smoking or anything. He was all of a sudden started doubling everything and then just pulled off.

[serious4play]

Can Ams are not too bad Lawson was 4th!!!

[OutlawEX]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
Other than last week for Creamer, they've had quite a bit of problems. Both Creamer and Wienen didn't finish practice races out west before the AMA ATV Nationals kicked off 2 weeks ago.

Yea I can see before the season having issues left and right because trying different setups and what works and what not.

[serious4play]

Thanks for the updates, i will be back in 3 hours for the second instalment.

[atvracingfan7]

Originally posted by serious4play
Thanks for the updates, i will be back in 3 hours for the second instalment.

MOTO 2 IS IN 1-1/2 HOURS (AT 3 P.M.)

[JParisi48]

what happened to the kawi? was it like a team disqualification?

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by JParisi48
what happened to the kawi? was it like a team disqualification?

creamer crashed, looked like wienen was having bike issues as was shumaker and little had electrical issues during qualifiers and didn't make the main.

[Lostcause]

Update on the Pro AM race.

Just got word that it was not Josh Williams that was injured. It was MARC WINCHESTER.

Josh williams went over a berm and broke his Tag handlebars in half.

[CADWELL]

Wow....looks like the rookies are settling right in.

[Raptorchick]

Pro race is delayed a little and will start about 3:30.

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by Lostcause
Update on the Pro AM race.

Just got word that it was not Josh Williams that was injured. It was MARC WINCHESTER.

Josh williams went over a berm and broke his Tag handlebars in half.


Just found that out myself. Hope he is ok.

Also found out that Doug Gust ran over Cody Miller in the first turn pro pile up. Guess both of them are a little shaken up, but ok.

[yam450_53]

Wimmer is on a mission. I am PISSED for Natalie, poor guy when will he ever catch a break? If he could get his bike to hold up he'd be running at the top spots for sure.

[EchoRocket]

Originally posted by yam450_53
Wimmer is on a mission. I am PISSED for Natalie, poor guy when will he ever catch a break? If he could get his bike to hold up he'd be running at the top spots for sure.


WHEN HE GETS ON A HONDA OR YAMAHA AGAIN!

I have one question. Why do all the top guys keep having motor problems? They can't get a motor to hold together for 20 minutes?That is weird! Are they running these things on the virg of blowing or what?

[LT80]

Is Pell City in the eastern time zone?

[ccdhowell]

Anyone have any more of an update on Cody Miller? Is he gonna be ready for the 2nd moto?

[Lostcause]

No they are central

[quadpilot]

LT80, No part of Alabama in in the eastern time zone.

[ALAMX37]

What I fail to comprehend is that Factory Kawi bikes are on par with everyone else. Factory Kawi quads rarely last 20 minutes. I am sorry but if I was a pro and was in it to win, not the financial reasons I would be on a winning machine. Honda and Suzuki are hands down the best bikes on the track. Put Natalie on Gee's bike and his top 5 every moto.

[serious4play]

Anyone know how long it will be to the start of the next pro race?

[ALAMX37]

5 minutes. 12 and 3

[LT80]

I can't say for the other kaw's, but Wiennen is known to break things others didn't plus the parts others did.
He could break a M-1 tank...course the M-1 tank would be going faster than any other. :D :D
He's an animal.:macho

[Lostcause]

I think they postponed the start of the pro race til 3:30

[Raptorchick]

Pro-am Production is on the line for their second moto

[Lostcause]

GET ER DONE DEVIN HEIMES!!!!!! #7

[Raptorchick]

the moto 2 pro-am production holeshot goes to gibson

[serious4play]

I dont think there is any bad bikes out there now a days, just bad riders that don't look after their machinery on track. :ermm:

[Raptorchick]

gibson
lehr
williams
cottage
snapp
heimes

[Raptorchick]

gibson still leading
lehr
williams
snapp
cottage
ross
travis
clark
heimes
deering

[Raptorchick]

gibson
williams
lehr
snapp
cottage

[Raptorchick]

Gibson has fastest lap time so far of moto 2 with 1:57

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by serious4play
I dont think there is any bad bikes out there now a days, just bad riders that don't look after their machinery on track. :ermm:

? http://msp153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/bradly2795/lol_wut.jpg

[bainey411]

1st #40 Gibson, C KFX 4 01:58.133 --.---
2nd #714 Williams, J Suzuki 4 01:57.656 00:02.173
3rd #110 Lehr, R Honda 4 01:58.413 00:01.469
4th #22 Snapp, C Suzuki 4 01:58.068 00:01.836
5th #815 Ross, B Kawasaki 4 01:58.883 00:02.602
6th #14/ Cottage, W Honda 4 02:02.160 00:03.056
7th #151 Travis, A KTM 4 02:00.450 00:00.655
8th #31 Clark, A KTM 4 02:02.307 00:05.267
9th #91/ Deering, R Honda 4 02:04.297 00:15.108
10th #171 Stout, B Yamaha 4 02:04.151 00:00.834
11th #74 Meyer, A Polaris 4 02:05.042 00:00.262
12th #28 Bruening, J KTM 4 02:05.032 00:00.946
13th #100 Porter, C Honda 4 02:02.998 00:00.631
14th #7 Heimes, D Suzuki 4 01:58.539 00:14.611
15th #012 Bishop, E Honda 4 02:10.897 00:07.014
16th #69 Moore, T Honda 4 02:02.245 00:01.763

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by serious4play
I dont think there is any bad bikes out there now a days, just bad riders that don't look after their machinery on track. :ermm:

Agreed that part of being a great rider is knowing the limits of you equipment but I don't think you can blame 4 riders for the Kawi problems. If they didn't run the piss out of them then they wouldn't be top 10 in the first place. They are in a no win situation. They need to go fast at this level but the engines don't seem be able to handle all the added HP they build into them over stock. If they cut back on the hp then they will finish last anyhow from everyone else being on a faster quad.

[mooseracerX]

Do the Pros and Pro Am's run a special section?

[Lostcause]

They have in past years

[serious4play]

Yeah i agree extreme, for the every day average rider these bikes are very good, just factories are now having to push the limits to keep up at this pro level. Some factories are just ahead of the game but history had shown that the other will catch up. Kawi's in AMA motocross are exceptional.

[mooseracerX]

Did they this year because here are the times from the winner in 450 C
01:38.930
01:44.429
01:44.082
Gibson is running like 01:57.351 I'm like WTF. :eek2:

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by mooseracerX
Do the Pros and Pro Am's run a special section?

yep, which is why the lap time comparisons between classes is useless.

[zuk#26]

Any info on why Heimes dropped to the back. Tracking the race from Iraq. Limited resources over here.

[Raptorchick]

gibson takes the moto 2 win and the overall

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by serious4play
Yeah i agree extreme, for the every day average rider these bikes are very good, just factories are now having to push the limits to keep up at this pro level. Some factories are just ahead of the game but history had shown that the other will catch up. Kawi's in AMA motocross are exceptional.

Yea, I I think KTM was having quite a few problems in AMA motocross.

[Raptorchick]

moto 2 pro-am unofficial results


gibson
snapp
ross
lehr
travis
cottage
bruening
porter
heimes
deering
meyer
stout
moore
williams
clark
bishop

[Raptorchick]

pro are on the line...

[yfz450bb07]

What ever happened to Joel Hetrick? Is he still hurt from Glen Helen? Or is he not 16 yet?

[Lostcause]

zuk

I'll try to find out and post when I hear.

[zuk#26]

Originally posted by Lostcause
zuk

I'll try to find out and post when I hear.

Thanks.

[quadracer707]

Originally posted by serious4play
I dont think there is any bad bikes out there now a days, just bad riders that don't look after their machinery on track. :ermm:

Truthfully,

What the heck are you talking about???

[Raptorchick]

holeshot goes to josh upperman

[Lostcause]

Are the Pros Done with the sight lap yet?

Lets go racing!!!!

[tntauto1127]

any info on pro race #2

[Raptorchick]

p brown having bike problems

[quad2xtreme]

1st #20 Upperman, J Honda 1 00:00.000 --.---
2nd #1 Wimmer, D Suzuki 1 00:00.000 00:00.959
3rd #79 Holmes, C Honda 1 00:00.000 00:01.686
4th #7 Byrd, J Honda 1 00:00.000 00:00.742
5th #55 Gust, D Suzuki 1 00:00.000 00:01.276
6th #123 Denoble, N Honda 1 00:00.000 00:01.351
7th #13 Natalie Jr, J Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:00.952
8th #9 Creamer, J Kawasaki 1 00:00.000 00:00.930
9th #22 Miller, C Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:00.596
10th #44 Wienen, C Kawasaki 1 00:00.000 00:00.269

[serious4play]

Originally posted by quadracer707
Truthfully,

What the heck are you talking about???

Truthfully, if more people got behind our manufacturers they they would get more behind our sport. Its easy to slag the manufacturers but without them we dont have a sport.
Thats my thoughts and we all have a freedom of speech!!

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
upperman
holmes
byrd
gust
denoble
natalie
creamer
miller
gee

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by raptorchick
p brown having bike problems

Poor Pat can't buy a break.... I feel bad for him....

[LT80]

Lawson and T Brown out last,,maybe a tangle?
They did good 1st moto

[tntauto1127]

1st #20 Upperman, J Honda 1 00:00.000 --.---
2nd #1 Wimmer, D Suzuki 1 00:00.000 00:00.959
3rd #79 Holmes, C Honda 1 00:00.000 00:01.686
4th #7 Byrd, J Honda 1 00:00.000 00:00.742
5th #55 Gust, D Suzuki 1 00:00.000 00:01.276
6th #123 Denoble, N Honda 1 00:00.000 00:01.351
7th #13 Natalie Jr, J Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:00.952
8th #9 Creamer, J Kawasaki 1 00:00.000 00:00.930
9th #22 Miller, C Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:00.596
10th #44 Wienen, C Kawasaki 1 00:00.000 00:00.269
11th #10 Gee, G Honda 1 00:00.000 00:00.652
12th #708 Goodman, H Honda 1 00:00.000 00:01.356
13th #727 Downen, C Honda 1 00:00.000 00:00.509
14th #62 Warnia, J Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:00.513
15th #70 Smith, B Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:01.127
16th #46 Pelchat, R Can Am 1 00:00.000 00:00.728
17th #68 Shumaker, R Kawasaki 1 00:00.000 00:00.750
18th #84 Brown, T Yamaha 1 00:00.000 00:00.983
19th #16 Lawson

[Raptorchick]

wimmer is pulling away

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by raptorchick
wimmer is pulling away

Imagine that.....

[Raptorchick]

byrd just made the pass on holmes

[tntauto1127]

1st #1 Wimmer, D Suzuki 2 01:52.766 --.---
2nd #20 Upperman, J Honda 2 01:56.671 00:02.946
3rd #7 Byrd, J Honda 2 01:54.106 00:00.822
4th #79 Holmes, C Honda 2 01:56.814 00:01.966
5th #55 Gust, D Suzuki 2 01:55.200 00:00.404
6th #13 Natalie Jr, J Can Am 2 01:54.706 00:01.809
7th #123 Denoble, N Honda 2 01:57.418 00:01.760
8th #9 Creamer, J Kawasaki 2 01:56.207 00:00.671
9th #22 Miller, C Can Am 2 01:55.957 00:00.346
10th #44 Wienen, C Kawasaki 2 01:56.225 00:00.537
11th #10 Gee, G Honda 2 01:57.070 00:01.497
12th #708 Goodman, H Honda 2 01:57.497 00:01.783
13th #727 Downen, C Honda 2 01:58.331 00:01.343
14th #70 Smith, B Can Am 2 01:57.266 00:00.575
15th #62 Warnia, J Can Am 2 01:58.548 00:00.730
16th #46 Pelchat, R Can Am 2 01:57.491 00:00.798
17th #16 Lawson, J Can Am 2 01:55.988 00:00.904
18th #84 Brown, T Yamaha 2 01:56.965 00:00.303
19th #68 Shumaker, R Kawasaki 2 02:01.080 00:03.132
20th #99 Brown, P

[Raptorchick]

byrd just took over second, upperman in third.

[quad2xtreme]

Go Doug!!!!

[Raptorchick]

holmes is off the track and creamer is all over wienen

[quadpilot]

Originally posted by serious4play
Truthfully, if more people got behind our manufacturers they they would get more behind our sport. Its easy to slag the manufacturers but without them we dont have a sport.
Thats my thoughts and we all have a freedom of speech!!

Where were the factories in the 90's? I remember there being a sport.

Don't rely on the factories being there always.

[Raptorchick]

gust is up to 4th

[Raptorchick]

looks like pat brown is out... announcer says he crashed and quad is broke, possibly subframe issue

[Raptorchick]

wimmer has six second lead on byrd

[LT80]

Lawson up to 13th!

[serious4play]

All i can say folks is i have run the sport in Ireland for 10 years now and back in the 90's it wasnt that big. It has taken of big time in the last 5 years from the factories came on board. Suzuki changed the face of quad racing with its LTR.
Factories have made this sport a whole lot better.

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by raptorchick
holmes is off the track and creamer is all over wienen

creamer fell back by almost 3 seconds now...doesn't look good.

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
byrd
upperman
gust
natalie
weinen
creamer
miller
gee
goodman

[Raptorchick]

natalie has got around gust

[LT80]

GO NATALIE
he passed Gust

[serious4play]

Go Natalie :devil:

[quadpilot]

Originally posted by serious4play
All i can say folks is i have run the sport in Ireland for 10 years now and back in the 90's it wasnt that big. It has taken of big time in the last 5 years from the factories came on board. Suzuki changed the face of quad racing with its LTR.
Factories have made this sport a whole lot better.


I don't need a history lesson of this sport I have been involved since 1985. I know the history. I also know the factories will be gone faster than they got here. Just enjoy while it lasts.

[quadracer707]

Go gust us old guys gotta stick together,

[Raptorchick]

wienen is now in 5th with gust in 6th

[serious4play]

Originally posted by quadpilot
I don't need a history lesson of this sport I have been involved since 1985. I know the history. I also know the factories will be gone faster than they got here. Just enjoy while it lasts.

Amazing!! ive been in the sport from 1987 but im not bragging about it!!

[Raptorchick]

pat brown is actually still hanging in there, but looks like his bike is falling apart

[tntauto1127]

I would have liked to seen what would have happened between Wimmer and Natalie if his bike wouldn't have broken in Moto 1

[laeger2fiddyr]

go wienen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LT80]

Wimmer gets faster every lap.

[quad2xtreme]

who pissed Wimmer off? :D

[Raptorchick]

#44 is smoking....possible problems for wienen.

[yam450_53]

Originally posted by serious4play
Amazing!! ive been in the sport from 1987 but im not bragging about it!!

How about you two continue your little fight with pm's, nobody gives a horse and you're ruining the racing action. GO NATALIE !!!! :D

[Raptorchick]

natalie is closing in on upperman

[laeger2fiddyr]

great!! need to get wienen back on a honda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raptorchick]

chad is out again with bike problems

[zuk#26]

Wimmer starts fast and only gets faster.

[quad2xtreme]

just to recap since I started it the 1st time. That Kawi motor sucks. Chad can ride but he needs to be on a Honda.

[cwright#26]

Yeah why dont you two girls go play in the street or something.

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by quadpilot
I don't need a history lesson of this sport I have been involved since 1985. I know the history. I also know the factories will be gone faster than they got here. Just enjoy while it lasts.

Jesus. Go suck on another pessimistic sucker.

[Raptorchick]

wimmer
byrd
upperman
natalie
gust
creamer
brown
miller
lawson
gee

[Raptorchick]

wimmer has fastest lap time of moto two in lap 8 with a time of 1:52.3

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
just to recap since I started it the 1st time. That Kawi motor sucks. Chad can ride but he needs to be on a Honda.

I thought he rode the Zuk pretty good myself....

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
just to recap since I started it the 1st time. That Kawi motor sucks. Chad can ride but he needs to be on a Honda.

I thought he rode the Zuk pretty good myself....

[quad2xtreme]

come on John!!!

[hsr]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
just to recap since I started it the 1st time. That Kawi motor sucks. Chad can ride but he needs to be on a Honda.

i agree, although the honda frames couldn't hold up to his abuse...he is hard on the equipment that's for sure

[Raptorchick]

natalie and upperman battling

[ccdhowell]

Thomas Brown is moving up through the field nicely after his first lap tangle. The boy is fast, ran lap times with Wimmer for a while.

[Raptorchick]

white flag is out

[LT80]

Originally posted by ccdhowell
Thomas Brown is moving up through the field nicely after his first lap tangle. The boy is fast, ran lap times with Wimmer for a while.
And Lawson too!

[Raptorchick]

#22 can-am is smoking, hopes he makes it for one more lap!

[cwright#26]

The only problem with Chad being on a Honda was he didn't train the way he should have. When he went Yellow that changed

[Raptorchick]

wimmer takes the win

[ccdhowell]

Crap, that's Cody Miller. Hold on Cody!

[serious4play]

4 Can Ams in the top 10, nothing wrong with that?

[Raptorchick]

unofficial moto 2 results

wimmer
byrd
natalie
upperman
gust
creamer
t brown
lawson
warnia
smith
gee
pelchat
goodman
denoble
shumaker
miller
downen
holmes
wienen
p brown

[quad2xtreme]

1st #1 Wimmer, D Suzuki 13 01:56.185 --.---
2nd #7 Byrd, J Honda 13 01:56.377 00:10.624
3rd #13 Natalie Jr, J Can Am 13 01:54.966 00:04.005
4th #20 Upperman, J Honda 13 01:56.474 00:00.498
5th #55 Gust, D Suzuki 13 01:57.536 00:11.566
6th #9 Creamer, J Kawasaki 13 01:59.908 00:09.667
7th #84 Brown, T Yamaha 13 01:56.379 00:04.836
8th #16 Lawson, J Can Am 13 01:55.792 00:01.449
9th #62 Warnia, J Can Am 13 01:59.001 00:11.916
10th #70 Smith, B Can Am 13 02:00.238 00:06.004
11th #10 Gee, G Honda 13 02:08.750 00:00.760
12th #46 Pelchat, R Can Am 13 02:02.678 00:07.506
13th #708 Goodman, H Honda 13 02:00.846 00:03.651
14th #123 Denoble, N Honda 13 02:02.499 00:13.953
15th #68 Shumaker, R Kawasaki 13 01:59.996 00:14.817
16th #22 Miller, C Can Am 12 02:14.303 00:02.984
17th #727 Downen, C Honda 12 02:22.097 01:34.062
18th #79 Holmes, C Honda 12 01:57.906 00:26.554
19th #44 Wienen, C Kawasaki 8 01:53.794 00:01.137
20th #99 Brown, P Yamaha 4 02:23.872 04:22.086

[ccdhowell]

Did Cody Miller #22 make the last lap?

[LT80]

Awsome race!

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by ccdhowell
Did Cody Miller #22 make the last lap?

He did 12 laps and the others in front of him did 13.

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by ccdhowell
Did Cody Miller #22 make the last lap?

no, he broke. :(

[quad2xtreme]

anyone know how Cole Henry did in the 450 A class?

[atvracingfan7]

Originally posted by raptorchick
no, he broke. :(

THANKS FOR YOUR COVERAGE RAPTORCHICK!!! I'M HAPPY THAT THE LIVE TIMING AND SCORING WAS WORKING THIS TIME AROUND!! IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW BOTH FORUMS.

[cwright#26]

Overall

1st Wimmer 1-1
2nd Byrd 2-2
3rd Upperman 3-4

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by cwright#26
Overall

1st Wimmer 1-1
2nd Byrd 2-2
3rd Upperman 3-4

Congrats to Josh and Baldwin!!!!

[OutlawBill]

moto 1 tied for 2ND they had to due heat races due too large field 4heat races and 3 semi race I have no Idea on the scoreing

[easman31]

Raptor chick what happened to Wienen??

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by atvracingfan7
THANKS FOR YOUR COVERAGE RAPTORCHICK!!! I'M HAPPY THAT THE LIVE TIMING AND SCORING WAS WORKING THIS TIME AROUND!! IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW BOTH FORUMS.

definitely. The Live Scoring provides basic info but nothing about who wrecked, whose engine is smoking, etc. I really liked having both.

[laeger2fiddyr]

Originally posted by cwright#26
The only problem with Chad being on a Honda was he didn't train the way he should have. When he went Yellow that changed


he was training his *** off before he got the zuki ride!
:)

[Raptorchick]

Originally posted by easman31
Raptor chick what happened to Wienen??


from what I heard he had motor issues, but not certain.

[cwright#26]

Originally posted by laeger2fiddyr
he was training his *** off before he got the zuki ride!
:)

He might have but all of a sudden he dropped about 30 pounds when he went to Zook too

[DavidW92]

Originally posted by cwright#26
He might have but all of a sudden he dropped about 30 pounds when he went to Zook too

You're getting a little mixed up. After he finished the WPSA season on a HONDA, he started training like a mad man and came back to the first few nationals to warm up for the WPSA 30 pounds lighter. Then he went and dominated the competition but kept breaking parts. SUZUKI signed him right before the WPSA started that year.

[quadlee]

way to stay consistent Joe, just stay up on the podiem every round and good things will happen.

[etccb]

Originally posted by DavidW92
You're getting a little mixed up. After he finished the WPSA season on a HONDA, he started training like a mad man and came back to the first few nationals to warm up for the WPSA 30 pounds lighter. Then he went and dominated the competition but kept breaking parts. SUZUKI signed him right before the WPSA started that year.

This is correct.

[OutlawEX]

Originally posted by TWISTED
Poor Pat can't buy a break.... I feel bad for him....

No he CAN!! Can is the key word. He is buying the wrong Brake each season is the problem

[Lostcause]

zuk

Found out the Heimes spun out 2 times. (first time was with a little help)

[yellerrider]

What happened to Holmes??? Running 3rd, Byrd passes & Holmes is out? What happened???

[DavidW92]

Holmes ran off of a burm a little after Joe passed him.

[LT80]

Originally posted by OutlawEX
No he CAN!! Can is the key word. He is buying the wrong Brake each season is the problem

WTF??

Ya the brakes...That's gotta be it..:rolleyes:

[OutlawEX]

Originally posted by LT80
WTF??

Ya the brakes...That's gotta be it..:rolleyes:

Derrr think outside the box. Not the actual brake pads. Im saying in his program he is BUYing or getting Bought and thats what he needs to change in his program. He never DNF'ed like this in Proam then once the $ rolled in things changed his results.

:eek2:

[6N8]

Originally posted by raptorchick
wimmer takes the win!

[6N8]

Originally posted by raptorchick
Nich denoble gets the holeshot! josh creamer crashed and is off the track
Cale & josh crash at the start !

[6N8]

**First and last warning for spamming this site**

[300extreme#8]

Originally posted by yellerrider
What happened to Holmes??? Running 3rd, Byrd passes & Holmes is out? What happened???

Clay Holmes got black flagged:/ for the first time I have ever seen anyone get black flagged. Him and chad bumped on the holeshot and clay bounced wide and hit a cone that they set up for out of bounse. He wasn't even doing it on purpose! He got hit and got 2nd on the hole shot, he was running 4th or 5th and they didn't decide to black flag him until the 5-6th lap. Its bullcrap! I've never seen that happen, must be cuz he's a rookie.

Cody Gibson wrecked and cut track and got back in 2nd after being passed by 3 riders in pro am unlimited, no one said anything about it..........:/

[madskrillz2]

You'd think since Holmes is in good with Byrd that he could get away with something like that. :D

[yam450_53]

common now what are you talkin about? :D

[yfz162]

What does everyone think? Why did zook release Chad and keep Doug on? I love Doug and zook wouldn't be in the position it is without him, but he is going to be retiring soon from the pro ranks and Chad has several good years in him providing he doesn't get hurt. Was cutting the 3 rider team an economical decision or is zook going to a one man team when Doug retires? One more thing, is any pro running the new KTM?

[8686]

Originally posted by yfz162
What does everyone think? Why did zook release Chad and keep Doug on? I love Doug and zook wouldn't be in the position it is without him, but he is going to be retiring soon from the pro ranks and Chad has several good years in him providing he doesn't get hurt. Was cutting the 3 rider team an economical decision or is zook going to a one man team when Doug retires? One more thing, is any pro running the new KTM?

Doug Gust is gonna retire soon..........isn't he? :D

[FHKracingZ]

From what I heard doug had a contract claus that said if he placed top 3 last year he was guaranteed a spot on the team..

Dont jump on digger yet, he will get the ball rolling and back steady top 5..

[LTR450_#67]

Doug has been around and just has the abilities many wish they had in their 20's......I admire him a lot and can't believe that he's as good as he is for his age against younger and very talented riders.....His speed might not be the fastest, but he show's up to race and is usually very consistant......He's like a piece of iron that doesn't show it's age.

[8686]

Doug Gust is a motocross machine, a real workhorse.

[LT80]

Doug is the man!
Bill Ballance is going to retire at 32 yrs old...HA!
Doug could have a boy Bills age racing. LOL

And your correct on the clause in Dougs contract. Chad was going either way as Zuki wanted only 1 racer this year.

[matt76]

Anyone know anything about John Reagon, have not seen his name in the last couple rounds???

[8686]

I believe his name is John Ragon, isn't it? Wasn't he on a Honda last year?

[Pappy]

I believe Ragon is running the NEATV series

[8686]

I saw David Porter won the Senior 40 Plus class taking a 1st in both motos. The results page listed his machine brand as "PRP", which we all know stands for Porter Racing Products. Did anyone see what he was riding? Was he on *gasp* a 250R?

[300extreme#8]

Originally posted by matt76
Anyone know anything about John Reagon, have not seen his name in the last couple rounds???

I know John and I don't live too far from him either and I didn't hear it from him personally but i heard from a really good source that John Ragon isn't going to race the nationals b/c he wasnt invited to an invitational event so he pretty much said to heck with them. John has been involved with the nats for years so I understand if he's mad bc he wasnt invited to a big event and some younger guys were.

[300extreme#8]

Doug is a heck of a rider, and hes not hard to please so thats proubably why they keep him, he still runs consistly in top 5-8 every race so its not a bad thing that he is with them. But man that man lets the quad beat him, I heard some guys talking from suzuki that doug likes his shocks stiff, next time you watch with pay attention. it seems like has 300 pounds in the fox shocks hahahahahaha looks like he is riding on two-by-fours hahahaha bless his heart.
Wimmer on the other hand is the pickest person when it comes to a quad. They said his steering steem was a 1/4 inch shorter on one of his bikes and he noticed it before he even rode. so i bet setting his bike up is a mess hahah but once its dialed in look what the kid does.... suzuki still has the best team, but I think if more people could keep bikes together it might be a different story

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by 300extreme#8
Doug is a heck of a rider, and hes not hard to please so thats proubably why they keep him, he still runs consistly in top 5-8 every race so its not a bad thing that he is with them. But man that man lets the quad beat him, I heard some guys talking from suzuki that doug likes his shocks stiff, next time you watch with pay attention. it seems like has 300 pounds in the fox shocks hahahahahaha looks like he is riding on two-by-fours hahahaha bless his heart.
Wimmer on the other hand is the pickest person when it comes to a quad. They said his steering steem was a 1/4 inch shorter on one of his bikes and he noticed it before he even rode. so i bet setting his bike up is a mess hahah but once its dialed in look what the kid does.... suzuki still has the best team, but I think if more people could keep bikes together it might be a different story

I've always noticed that about Doug. Even though he looks smooth a lot of times he still looks REALLY stiff.

[madskrillz2]

Originally posted by 8686
I saw David Porter won the Senior 40 Plus class taking a 1st in both motos. The results page listed his machine brand as "PRP", which we all know stands for Porter Racing Products. Did anyone see what he was riding? Was he on *gasp* a 250R?

Pretty sure he rides a PRP CRF.

[8686]

Originally posted by madskrillz2
Pretty sure he rides a PRP CRF.

Anybody else see what he rode? Any pics?

[motomxman450]

that was a great race at mill creek does anyone have word about winchester? and who saw the creamer crash that was bad.. can anyone tell me where to get pics of the 4-stroke c class? atvriders pics only seem to have a class, and minis in there photo section

[Cindi]

Originally posted by 300extreme#8
Doug is a heck of a rider, and hes not hard to please so thats proubably why they keep him, he still runs consistly in top 5-8 every race so its not a bad thing that he is with them. But man that man lets the quad beat him, I heard some guys talking from suzuki that doug likes his shocks stiff, next time you watch with pay attention. it seems like has 300 pounds in the fox shocks hahahahahaha looks like he is riding on two-by-fours hahahaha bless his heart.
Wimmer on the other hand is the pickest person when it comes to a quad. They said his steering steem was a 1/4 inch shorter on one of his bikes and he noticed it before he even rode. so i bet setting his bike up is a mess hahah but once its dialed in look what the kid does.... suzuki still has the best team, but I think if more people could keep bikes together it might be a different story

Thats kinda funny, From what I was told by Doug he doesn't run his shocks stiff at all, in fact the 4 years I raced I ran his shocks and it didn't feel to bad to me lol.

As for his finishes this year, It would help if he could get out of the first corner without a pile up. That does kinds set you back. If you looked at the forum from CA he was 20+ seconds down from the last place guy and caught up to 13th. Also, the first race in AL he got a flat tire from the first corner crash and being way back in the pack caught up to 10th (finishing the race...thank god for tire balls) on a track that was kinda one lined and very fast.

Doug may be one of the older ones out there but he is still one of the fastest!! He got a pretty good start in the second moto and took a 5th. Better than 15 other riders.

Suzuki had no reason to cut Doug last year with or without a contract. He took 3rd overall and if he didn't have the 2 DNF's in NY he would of had second overall. Last time I checked that was way better than where Chad finished for the season. He had 2 wins last year and about 15 other riders that still have not won a pro race.

So, at 42 years old riding better than 75% of the pro class I think he has every right to keep kicking *** out there. Not that I know anything about the sport or anything. :-)

And just a little reminder I think Doug had a little part in designing the LTR,...you know that yellow quad that is out there winning every race and finishing every race too. There is way more to Doug than just kicking butt on the track.

[Pappy]

I heard Doug is the reason Chuck Norris will not attend a race:chinese:

[LT80]

Originally posted by LT80
Doug is the man!
Bill Ballance is going to retire at 32 yrs old...HA!
Doug could have a boy Bills age racing.

OOPS, I guess I thought Doug was a lil older. My bad.

Twas my first GNC at Muddy Creek when Doug broke his ankle(s). Now talk about stiff shocks! The best were stiff compared to todays shocks.
Then the Come back tour for Doug (as I call it) for friend Darren Naccarato(sp). I remember at Deerfield, mama Nac crying. She was that into Dougs racing as was papa Nac.
He ran TC motors then with John Lawson as Dougs driving force, mechanic, and friend for years.
A quote from TC "Just run it!" Remember that Doug? LOL
Then comes Zuki. Wayne Hinson was the brains behind the biggest thing to happen to ATV racing ever. Of course Doug was first on the list. You gotta give credit for Doug taking John Lawson with him as the Zuki truck driver. Doug remembers his friends IMO.
Doug deserves every bit of recognition possible as he's earned it.
Suzuki is lucky to have him. :)

At least that's how I remember all that. LOL, I am older than Doug (51), maybe the mind is going. :D :D

[mx3mom]

I have nothing but admiration for Doug and respect everything he has contributed through the years and also for what he will do for the sport in the future. This is one of the toughest sports out there, and for anyone to compete and be a top rider (as he is) should have everyones (riders and spectators) respect.

Keep up the good work Doug.......Cindi don't let these forums get to you, you know how they are.

[Cindi]

Originally posted by mx3mom
I have nothing but admiration for Doug and respect everything he has contributed through the years and also for what he will do for the sport in the future. This is one of the toughest sports out there, and for anyone to compete and be a top rider (as he is) should have everyones (riders and spectators) respect.

Keep up the good work Doug.......Cindi don't let these forums get to you, you know how they are.

Thank You! Sometimes I just like to set it straight to some of the forum racers that think they have it figured out. Not that they were talking Doug down. There is always more to a race than people know like flat tires, blown shocks and many other problems that these riders don't let most know. They just suck it up, keep the quad running and do the best they can to finish the race.

Hats of to Miller and Creamer for getting back up and finishing the race after the terrible crash they both went through.

[hendershot106]

Originally posted by Pappy
I heard Doug is the reason Chuck Norris will not attend a race:chinese:

NO DOUBT!!!

Cindi - DOUG IS MY HERO!!!!!

dont worry bout uneducated idiots typing on a keyboard.

I personally root for doug every weekend he's on the track!!

I loved it last year at Ballance's when i was there to witness his win!!!!

[Cindi]

Originally posted by LT80
OOPS, I guess I thought Doug was a lil older. My bad.

Twas my first GNC at Muddy Creek when Doug broke his ankle(s). Now talk about stiff shocks! The best were stiff compared to todays shocks.
Then the Come back tour for Doug (as I call it) for friend Darren Naccarato(sp). I remember at Deerfield, mama Nac crying. She was that into Dougs racing as was papa Nac.
He ran TC motors then with John Lawson as Dougs driving force, mechanic, and friend for years.
A quote from TC "Just run it!" Remember that Doug? LOL
Then comes Zuki. Wayne Hinson was the brains behind the biggest thing to happen to ATV racing ever. Of course Doug was first on the list. You gotta give credit for Doug taking John Lawson with him as the Zuki truck driver. Doug remembers his friends IMO.
Doug deserves every bit of recognition possible as he's earned it.
Suzuki is lucky to have him. :)

At least that's how I remember all that. LOL, I am older than Doug (51), maybe the mind is going. :D :D

You have it correct. I'll have to remember you when we are putting the stuff together for "The Life & Career of Digger Doug Gust From The Beginning" You know back in the day when they would put plastic milk jugs on the handle bars for hand guards and Duct Tape was a must. These kids wouldn't know what to do if they had to race the machines those guys did 20 years ago. I will be in touch for some of the old stories :-) Thanks

[Cindi]

Originally posted by hendershot106
NO DOUBT!!!

Cindi - DOUG IS MY HERO!!!!!

dont worry bout uneducated idiots typing on a keyboard.

I personally root for doug every weekend he's on the track!!

I loved it last year at Ballance's when i was there to witness his win!!!!

Thanks. This is another perfect story as I said above. There is always more to a race than people know. Doug has a 12 second lead on everyone and with 3 laps to go his tranny went out. He knew if he shifted he would be done so he left it in 2nd and finished the race. Natalie was the only one that caught him but Doug still got the overall.

He's my Hero to0 :-)

[hendershot106]

Originally posted by Cindi
Thanks. This is another perfect story as I said above. There is always more to a race than people know. Doug has a 12 second lead on everyone and with 3 laps to go his tranny went out. He knew if he shifted he would be done so he left it in 2nd and finished the race. Natalie was the only one that caught him but Doug still got the overall.

He's my Hero to0 :-)


Good Luck to Him at Ballance's this year!!!!! i cant wait!!:D :D

[yfz162]

I am purty sure i said that i love Doug and zook wouldn't be where they are today without him (translation-development of the ltr450 and the zook racing team accomplishments). I was simply asking if anyone could explain why zook dumped chad and kept Doug on as a full time racer. My reasons for asking that is because Chad is much younger then Doug and he will be retiring from full time racing soon, i think. I was not aware of Doug's contract or making any judgement of his abilities on the track. He is a great racer and he may keep running til he's 50, but who knows. Maybe Chad was fishing for another deal during the winter, but i don't know and that's why i was asking. Was the 3 rider team taxing them financially or are they looking to lock Wimmer to a huge deal when Doug retires and focusing on a one person team? Sorry if i offended anyone, but how do these questions make me an idiot or a Doug hater??? :rolleyes:

[Cindi]

Originally posted by yfz162
I am purty sure i said that i love Doug and zook wouldn't be where they are today without him (translation-development of the ltr450 and the zook racing team accomplishments). I was simply asking if anyone could explain why zook dumped chad and kept Doug on as a full time racer. My reasons for asking that is because Chad is much younger then Doug and he will be retiring from full time racing soon, i think. I was not aware of Doug's contract or making any judgement of his abilities on the track. He is a great racer and he may keep running til he's 50, but who knows. Maybe Chad was fishing for another deal during the winter, but i don't know and that's why i was asking. Was the 3 rider team taxing them financially or are they looking to lock Wimmer to a huge deal when Doug retires and focusing on a one person team? Sorry if i offended anyone, but how do these questions make me an idiot or a Doug hater??? :rolleyes:

I never said you were a Doug hater. When I was making my comments I wasn't just commenting on your post. You post was about the shocks and I was making a joke. I really did run his shocks though. :-)

Doug did have a contract with Suzuki and Chad didn't. Also Factories don't always take the fastest and the youngest riders. A factory looks at how they can advertise. It is advertising that sells bikes, it helps when the riders is winning like Dustin but even though Dustin is winning more people still know Doug. Anybody that knows ATV's knows who Doug Gust is. Dustin, Chad, Josh and some of the rest are newbies to the industry and are still kinda unknown. Not, that people have no clue who they are they just have not proven themselves yet like Doug, Byrd, Natalie and Goodman. The guys that have been around when ATV's were nothing.

Sometimes when I make my comments I am just trying to get people to look at the big picture. There is so much that goes on that people don't even think about. Such as Kawi and Chad. Everyone is pointing fingers to the motor. Well, Ryan is one of the best around, look at what he did for Suzuki. Sometimes it is the wrong set up, sometimes it is the rider and sometimes it is just a problem with other things. You can't just point the finger at the motor.

[RATPACK Z400]

Yeah your right look at honda,s first year ,farr didn,t even get a top tenth finish the entire year(farrs worst year) if im correct .honda,s had there first year problems as well !