RELP!!! 525 IRS or 700xx

[dbc112]

Got my bike sold, ready to go new. Bike needs to last a long time. All east coast trails, rocks, and mud, occasional open run.


So that said, 525 IRS or 700xx?

Lets face it, both quads are plenty fast. Maybe to much for me.

So what do you think? I am leaning towards the honda for reliability. But the 525 can be had for approx $500 less...

Also, I cant bring myself to go the utility route... No thanks.


What to do... help me out!

[03pete]

make sure you compare the weight between the two, the 700xx is a tank.

[powermadd400ex]

the XX is an awesome machine. i rode one the other day and many underestimate the versatility of the quad due to weight. i barely noticed it until i jumped it. it pulled hard in every gear. if your not going to be airing it out, i say the 700xx would be my choice.

[SRH]

from my expirience, any wear item on a polaris literally is shot after 1 season, bushings, bearings, balljoints etc


relp shaggy!! lol had to

[GE4x4]

I like the Outlaw due to it's lite weight and powerful engine. The wear items are much better then the early version of the Outlaw. I like the 700xx also, but the weight for my styl racing(xc) makes it a bit much. Also, your very very limited for aftermaket tires and wheels. Both would make a nice quad. The 08 700xx you can find for a steal. Seen many below $6000 for a new one. My dealer has only sold one since they came out.

On a side note, All Terrian Mag just gave out the best in class awards, and the 09 Outlaw got best trail quad with the Raptor in 2nd, then the 700xx.

700xx makes some serious power with mods. Its real comfortable too, you cant even tell that its as big or weighs as much as it does when on it.

[deathcorefan2]

i would go 525.
i love the 700xx, but it isnt the lightest quad ever..this is ironic as most people would rule out a popo for being heavy lol. but it is a very potent motor. lol and the IRS is very well designed, and fox shocks if you get the right ones. they come with amazing stock equipment. very comfy,

they are both awesome, but i would recommend you sit on both, whichever egros you like more, you should choose. also think about price, for about 500, you could get some great new tires, bars and other things to help comfort. just test them both, and let your body choose the next quad.

also what is your height and weight? that has a lot to do with your choice.

[scuzz]

They're making some killer deals on the 700xx right now. I couldn't be happier with mine and my Big 3 mods I've added.

I've had one warranty issue and it was a busted inner CV boot that was covered by Honda. I'm an admin of a 700xx site and there's been only one other warranty claim that I am aware of on the site.


My biggest complaint about the quad lately isn't really about the quad at all, but rather that the dealers that I've spoken to don't even have a spark plug, air filter or rear brake pad for this thing in stock. WTF? A spark plug - and you don't have it.

Same thing with anything else that is model specific for this quad. Of course you could practically build a 400EX from their stock (supply/demand - I know).

All that aside I would go for the 700XX, but you have to buy what's right for you at this time. Who knows, Polaris might come up with some great deal.

[dbc112]

700xx all the way ohhhh yeahh (koolaid)


525 is an awesome bike, motor is race bred..

now, think about that.. 510cc's done welll.. now take 686 cc.


Id rather start at 696 than 510 if I wanted to mod.


And efi.

Deals are sick right now 5800 out the door including tax.. .

not to mention reliability of honda

[deathcorefan2]

Originally posted by dbc112
700xx all the way ohhhh yeahh (koolaid)


525 is an awesome bike, motor is race bred..

now, think about that.. 510cc's done welll.. now take 686 cc.


Id rather start at 696 than 510 if I wanted to mod.


And efi.

Deals are sick right now 5800 out the door including tax.. .

not to mention reliability of honda

yeah well the old saying there is no replacement for displacement was proven false by the outlaw.

[justen08]

i would take the 700 if your gonna do alot of trails and stuff i like the 525 but if i get a next one itll probably be a honda thats my opinion

[dbc112]

replacement for displacement.. well think of it this way...

KTM is bad @ss.. thats fore sure.. It is a race bred motor. Fast and very good.

Honda is 686 cc. detuned and can hang within a couple of inches with the 525.


Now throw EFI... computer programs for fuel delivery, an exhaust.

I guarantee.. the 700 will outrun the outlaw with like for like mods.


But... stock honda.. Its a honda not a poohlaris.


Reliabilty won me over.. and size overall reliability.


I hate going non American though..

UGGGHHH

[scuzz]

Originally posted by deathcorefan2
yeah well the old saying there is no replacement for displacement was proven false by the outlaw.

How is that, it still makes less horsepower in stock form and has a lower hp/weight ratio than the 700xx?

Sounds like conjecture on your part.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by scuzz
How is that, it still makes less horsepower in stock form and has a lower hp/weight ratio than the 700xx?

Sounds like conjecture on your part.

I think you need to research that a bit. According to HMF, the 700xx stock HP is 39 at the wheels. The Outlaw 525 is 38.7. With slip on the 700xx is 42.5, and the Outlaw is 42.4. The 700xx with full system is 44.5, and the outlaw doesn't have one with them, but they said the gains was not worth making a full pipe. So even with that, the 525 is right there with the 700xx. Now the 700 weighs 505lbs wet and the Outlaw is 432lbs wet. So the Outlaw has a much better hp/weight. You can't go off hp numbers from one source and compare them to another source. Need to compare from same dyno.

[hypersnyper6947]

Originally posted by dbc112



I hate going non American though..

UGGGHHH

That and the KTM powerplant would draw me to the outlaw, maybe, it is a hard decision, find a way to ride them both, some dealerships let you take test rides.

[scuzz]

Originally posted by GE4x4
I think you need to research that a bit. According to HMF, the 700xx stock HP is 39 at the wheels. The Outlaw 525 is 38.7. With slip on the 700xx is 42.5, and the Outlaw is 42.4. The 700xx with full system is 44.5, and the outlaw doesn't have one with them, but they said the gains was not worth making a full pipe. So even with that, the 525 is right there with the 700xx. Now the 700 weighs 505lbs wet and the Outlaw is 432lbs wet. So the Outlaw has a much better hp/weight. You can't go off hp numbers from one source and compare them to another source. Need to compare from same dyno.


Your premise is faulty in that it's a vendor Dyno chart. I'm going by the independent firm that does the CARB numbers for Kalifornia.

HMF is "selling" horsepower. I hold any Dyno numbers that they or any other aftermarket people do as suspect as there is an inherent conflict of interest for the consumer.


Who would benefit in the lower horsepower numbers? Not Honda or Polaris and surely not you and I.

[scuzz]

....and the link:


Heres a list of some comparable hp numbers.

08 250ex: 16.8hp
08 300ex: 22.1hp
08 400ex: 34.2hp
08 450r: 42.6hp
08 700XX: 53hp
08 KFX450r:42.1
08 KFX700:48.8
08 Z400: 36.6hp
08 Ltr450: 41.6hp
08 Raptor 250: 18.8
08 YFZ450: 38.6hp
08 Raptor700r: 46.9hp


The numbers of from the California Environmental Protection Agency.

700xx (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/ofhrv/ofmcatv_comply/2008/honda_atv_um0030212_686.pdf)

Polaris (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/ofhrv/ofmcatv_comply/2008/polaris_atv_um0130044_448-510.pdf)

...and just because I'm a fair guy and one who points out his mistakes, the power-to-weight ration may be in favor of the Outlaw as the 700xx looks as though it only has a 2.5 HP advantage over the Outlaw.

But then again, there is no replacement for additional displacement.

[GE4x4]

You can't take those # serious. You really think a z-400 only has 2 less hp then a YFZ450?:confused: Even so, they show the Outlaw at 50hp, that's only 3 less then the 700. So being 176cc smaller and only 3hp less is pretty good if you ask me.:macho

[scuzz]

Originally posted by GE4x4
You can't take those # serious. You really think a z-400 only has 2 less hp then a YFZ450?:confused: Even so, they show the Outlaw at 50hp, that's only 3 less then the 700.


You callin' California a liar? :P

[GE4x4]

I don't have to. I'll just let race results prove it. # don't meen squat, it's what it does out on the trail. A yfz450 will dust a z-400.

[scuzz]

Originally posted by GE4x4
I don't have to. I'll just let race results prove it. # don't meen squat, it's what it does out on the trail. A yfz450 will dust a z-400.

Duh.

And a small block 350 will go faster in a corvette than in a camaro.

Oh, and I screwed up it's not 2.5 hp different its 2.5 KW which = 3.3 HP.

It doesn't help my argument, but I thought I would admit my mistake. I'm a horrible bench racer.

[hangs head]

[dbc112]

They are both fast... how does that sound? They both have the ability to run over 80 mph (who the heck goes that fast on the east coast woods?)


Also think about some of the long term cost... honda vs polaris.


The honda does have rear tires that may be more expensive to maintain, also the aftermarket is a bit pricey...


I plan to stay completly stock motor wise. I do want some a-arm guards but thats about it.


Wish me luck!!!!

[scuzz]

Originally posted by dbc112
They are both fast... how does that sound? They both have the ability to run over 80 mph (who the heck goes that fast on the east coast woods?)


Also think about some of the long term cost... honda vs polaris.


Wish me luck!!!!

Luck! :D

Long term cost I'd be willing to bet a dozen doughnuts would be less for the Honda. But this is mainly because the motor has been in use for quite some time in other platforms.

Now WITH THAT SAID...

Rear freeekin pads for this thing are like $40 now for the set. That's twice as much as aftermarket pads were for my 400EX.

The rear tire thing is temporary IMO, as aftermarket companies are not coming out with 10" rims that fit, just not as well as the stock 11" rims. (we're talking offset) Also to my knowledge there is only one tire manufacturer making replacement rear tires for the 700xx, and that's MAXXI$.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by dbc112
They are both fast... how does that sound? They both have the ability to run over 80 mph (who the heck goes that fast on the east coast woods?)


Also think about some of the long term cost... honda vs polaris.


The honda does have rear tires that may be more expensive to maintain, also the aftermarket is a bit pricey...


I plan to stay completly stock motor wise. I do want some a-arm guards but thats about it.


Wish me luck!!!!


Where on the east coast are you? I'm there and top speed just doesn't happen here.:macho

[dbc112]

I am in a town called, are you freaking crazy???!!!

I will hit 80 if I can find a fire road, but most of the trails around me are heavy rocks and deep silt ruts (outside philadelphia)..

Ok 80 vs 85... at that point I am *****ting bricks.


Both of these quads have a decent amount of low end.. enough to feel like you are being bucked off... I know the honda does it in a more mild manner until about half throttle. Less wheelie prone, which is good for me... God I sound like such an old fart. I am 33 with a kid, so it keeps me planted some times.

5 years ago I had a sport bike, 120 was a regular occurrence.. Now I have to do it in a car...

[fisheye]

525's are going for well under 5G's, 700's are high 5's. no replacement for displacement is true, but mainly in the automobile relm. when dealing with atv's---> cash is king.

Originally posted by dbc112
Got my bike sold, ready to go new. Bike needs to last a long time. All east coast trails, rocks, and mud, occasional open run.


So that said, 525 IRS or 700xx?

Lets face it, both quads are plenty fast. Maybe to much for me.

So what do you think? I am leaning towards the honda for reliability. But the 525 can be had for approx $500 less...

Also, I cant bring myself to go the utility route... No thanks.


What to do... help me out!

HONDA:
fact: honda is the MOST reliable atv out there without a doubt they go thru h3ll and back and are still ready for more

no sacrifices or shortcuts were made when they came out with the 700xx that is why ts is a little heavier , no defects know to date , go and look on the 700xx section and see how satisfied the owners arE!

POLARIS:
plastic throtle there is a recall on them [not sure which years]

not know for reliability

[scuzz]

To the outlaw's credit though there are a lot more out there and they've also been out a lot longer.


Originally posted by fisheye
525's are going for well under 5G's, 700's are high 5's. no replacement for displacement is true, but mainly in the automobile relm. when dealing with atv's---> cash is king.

People are going out the door with them for $5350 now when the MSR is an outrageous $8k. (what I paid when they came out) As far as the displacement thing, you should go to the raptorforum.com forums and check to see what they're doing with some added displacement. The 525 motor doesn't have a chance against those extra CC's.

Oh and just an FYI - I punched myself in the stomach for more bench racing, no need to get mad at me for doing it.

[907Rider]

Stock for stock. The 700xx, but if you can find a better deal on a 525irs there is nothing worng with that esp the newer ones with a KTM motor:macho. Nothings worng with polaris, they are just as reliable as any quad, I see old scramber 400's and trail bosses that still have alot of life left, you just have to maintan them

[dbc112]

Check ebay out.. can get a 700xx out the door for about $5800!

Originally posted by I live for this
Stock for stock. The 700xx, but if you can find a better deal on a 525irs there is nothing worng with that esp the newer ones with a KTM motor:macho. Nothings worng with polaris, they are just as reliable as any quad, I see old scramber 400's and trail bosses that still have alot of life left, you just have to maintan them


yeah but them belts will slip as soon as it gets wet out side and BTW ktm has made all their outlaw and predator motors i dont believe polaris makes anything other than an automatic , polaris hasnt anything over honda or yamaha

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by mxcowboy
yeah but them belts will slip as soon as it gets wet out side and BTW ktm has made all their outlaw and predator motors i dont believe polaris makes anything other than an automatic , polaris hasnt anything over honda or yamaha


Let me correct you. The Polaris belt system is considered the best water proof CVT out there, and many many mud boggers and deep water guys will back that up. They used to have issues, but that was 10 years ago when no one else really had any auto's.

2nd, KTM only makes the Outlaw 450 and 525 for Polaris. The Pred and many of the utes were Fuji and all there twins are made in house from Polaris. Even ther 70 hp 850.

In the last 5yrs plus, Polaris quads have been just as reliable as any other out there.

Originally posted by GE4x4
Let me correct you. The Polaris belt system is considered the best water proof CVT out there, and many many mud boggers and deep water guys will back that up. They used to have issues, but that was 10 years ago when no one else really had any auto's.

2nd, KTM only makes the Outlaw 450 and 525 for Polaris. The Pred and many of the utes were Fuji and all there twins are made in house from Polaris. Even ther 70 hp 850.

In the last 5yrs plus, Polaris quads have been just as reliable as any other out there.

hah your kidding right? most water proof then why do u see 2wice as many grizzlys in the mud than u do belt burnin polarises?

dude there terrible my buddy bill got a 07 500 3 months ago put 28s on it went through a pon my 300 furtraxx crossed go a lil mucky and the tires wouldnt even turn? u could hear the belt slipping , long story short hes got a rihno now

[GE4x4]

We all know your a Polaris hater, but be real. If you put your 300cc solid axle 3x4 through the same mud hole as a 500 IRS sportsman with 28" tires, your buddy isn't a very good rider. You should have him visit Highlifter.com to get some pointers.:D

Originally posted by GE4x4
We all know your a Polaris hater, but be real. If you put your 300cc solid axle 3x4 through the same mud hole as a 500 IRS sportsman with 28" tires, your buddy isn't a very good rider. You should have him visit Highlifter.com to get some pointers.:D


i just think they give made in america a bad name low quality atvs period i was pushing the same 28s he was we got a deal for buying em together

[scuzz]

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