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400thacker
02-18-2009, 03:04 PM
can you use base coat/clear coat on your frame? i am sure you can but will it hold up?
thanks

Honda#4
02-18-2009, 03:05 PM
If you prep the frame good enough the paint will hold up.

mooseracerX
02-18-2009, 03:12 PM
I'm going to be painting mine soon. I'm using an actual paint gun though.

Honda#4
02-18-2009, 03:16 PM
I may do that to if and when I do mine cuz with the can I used a light to tell how much paint i have on and to see where im at.

Pappy
02-18-2009, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Honda#4
If you prep the frame good enough the paint will hold up.

Define hold up?

Im going to start making you rattle can kings pony up. Hold up to a picture when the part is painted and riden in the back yard doesnt equal hold up to a power washer after every moto, or average riding where mud and rocks are encountered. If you all dont want to admit it fades fast, doesnt look near as good in person as in the pics, and doesnt hold up for the effort, then you need to stop telling these folks this stuff. Ive seen people tout spray bomb as good as pc..BS. I can see the fade lines in one particuliar frame yet not one peep about it and have seen enough of these rattle canned parts to know its bunk.

Be honest with folks! Its alot of effort to tear a part down and paint it, and for it not to last a ride..well you be the judge of if its worth it.

Honda#4, Im not trying to single you out, I am just getting sick of pm's from folks crying about how their rattle can special now looks like *** after a power washing or a good muddy ride and asking me why. If you all want it to last, then have it powder coated.

Rant off:p

mooseracerX
02-18-2009, 03:23 PM
Darn if this thread was started a little earlier I could have shot some pictures for you but we already striped the paint off.

Pipeless416
02-18-2009, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Pappy
Define hold up?

Im going to start making you rattle can kings pony up. Hold up to a picture when the part is painted and riden in the back yard doesnt equal hold up to a power washer after every moto, or average riding where mud and rocks are encountered. If you all dont want to admit it fades fast, doesnt look near as good in person as in the pics, and doesnt hold up for the effort, then you need to stop telling these folks this stuff. Ive seen people tout spray bomb as good as pc..BS. I can see the fade lines in one particuliar frame yet not one peep about it and have seen enough of these rattle canned parts to know its bunk.

Be honest with folks! Its alot of effort to tear a part down and paint it, and for it not to last a ride..well you be the judge of if its worth it.

Honda#4, Im not trying to single you out, I am just getting sick of pm's from folks crying about how their rattle can special now looks like *** after a power washing or a good muddy ride and asking me why. If you all want it to last, then have it powder coated.

Rant off:p

FWIW, i'm having all my painted stuff powder coated little by little.. paint works if you feel like touching it up all the time, but looks like crap after like 2 years. :o

400thacker
02-18-2009, 03:28 PM
well for the record, i just bought a bunch of paint equipment and plan on using dupont GM black and clear coat on top of it. basically a auto paint job. lol
anyone know how that would hold up to pressure washer and trail rides? btw i have sull skids

buck440
02-18-2009, 03:34 PM
wounder how much better automotive paint works? and if it cost half as much to powdercoat i say go all the way.......unless you dont have someone close that powdercoats then s.o.l unless you want to pay the fee to ship a atv frame:(

Pappy
02-18-2009, 03:37 PM
Im no painter, but from what i understand they cant get regular auto paint to be able to handle the typical flex of an atv frame.

Ask yourself this....do you take your auto through conditions that you will your atv? If you did, how fast would the paint last or look good?

Im not posting this to promote what i do, just to keep people from spending time, money and in the end, ride around with a rattle canned quad. You can spot them a mile away at the track.

One of my good friends paints for a living(cars,trucks, harleys) and yet I pc all his atv parts.....whats that tell ya:p There is a place for paint, and there is a place for PC.

Honda#4
02-18-2009, 03:41 PM
I never ever power wash mine cuz I feel it can be harsh on parts, seals, graphics, etc etc, but I never if any go though mud. I know for a fact that paint wont hold up for the typical racer but for the average person on here that wants to spruce up his quad I feel that paint will hold up as long as the preping is good. Now i'm not all for painting I just do it to give parts alittle boost in color while saving for a PC job.

dsherw00d
02-18-2009, 05:24 PM
I've use product from POR15 on the undersides of cars and car frames - stuff that gets hit by sand and salt at 65+MPH up her in NY. It's super tough, but won't be a whole lot cheaper than PCing.

http://www.por15.com/2-Part-Topcoats/products/5/

Mxjunkie
02-18-2009, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Pappy
Im no painter, but from what i understand they cant get regular auto paint to be able to handle the typical flex of an atv frame.

Ask yourself this....do you take your auto through conditions that you will your atv? If you did, how fast would the paint last or look good?

Im not posting this to promote what i do, just to keep people from spending time, money and in the end, ride around with a rattle canned quad. You can spot them a mile away at the track.

One of my good friends paints for a living(cars,trucks, harleys) and yet I pc all his atv parts.....whats that tell ya:p There is a place for paint, and there is a place for PC.


This is true! I do autobody for a living and I swear for quads you gotta go with powdercoat, there is no substitute for it.. Rattle can might look cool for a few riding sessions but once it starts to flake off it keeps on goin.. Plus all the spots that flake off that you'll never know about will rust and cause the metal to become weak.. There's a lot of things to think about when you fuss with your quad.. :blah:


PC for racing and abuse.. quailty

Paint for shows, luster and shine. Items that wont take a lot of abuse.


Originally posted by dsherw00d
I've use product from POR15 on the undersides of cars and car frames - stuff that gets hit by sand and salt at 65+MPH up her in NY. It's super tough, but won't be a whole lot cheaper than PCing.

http://www.por15.com/2-Part-Topcoats/products/5/

This is a good product we use it a lot in the body shop but like you said by the time you buy the por-15 or rustmort, paint, reducer, clear coat with activator your waaaay past the price of powder coating.

Plus common guys the powder coating colors are better then wal-marts safety hat orange anyways lol.. :scary:

deathcorefan2
02-18-2009, 05:54 PM
i was thinking of my frame next year and without a doubt im going with pappy.

lol i have rattle canned some stuff on my old quad...nope..never again.

mooseracerX
02-18-2009, 06:30 PM
What about paint that is primed good with a hardener, that's what I'm going to be doing with my frame not just rattle can.

400thacker
02-18-2009, 08:17 PM
let me run this by you guys...

Why couldn't you just get some of that roll on bed liner at advance and do it? I wanted black anyways and that stuff is TOUGH. anyone ever done anything like that before?

sc400ex_rider
02-19-2009, 08:12 AM
ok question are the frames powder coated from the factory? IDK mine has held up pretty good but there is some rust in the tight area's. second about the frame flex i worked in a body shop and they have an additive for the plastic bumper covers called flexable parts additive so couldnt you use this on the frames? and lastly does it have a lot to do with surface prep? when i put yfz450 springs on my 450r shocks i painted them red with a can of rustoleum. it has been over a year and they look as good as the day i painted them and i cant see nothing flexing more than a spring.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011331.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011126.jpg

rob_990
02-19-2009, 08:36 AM
wow how do you like those springs compared to the 450r ones?

sc400ex_rider
02-19-2009, 08:56 AM
there great i did a write up in the 450r shock how to. there dual rate and feel like butter just as smooth as yfz450 shocks but dont lower the quad none. i bought the quad new and only put about $1000.00 into it. i did all the motor work myself, it rips. even the stock muffler has been modified for flow but its not abnoxishly loud. im really happy with it.

rob_990
02-19-2009, 09:09 AM
i also see you have yfz brake pads.why?

Pipeless416
02-19-2009, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by sc400ex_rider
there dual rate and feel like butter just as smooth as yfz450 shocks

progressive rate* ;)

sc400ex_rider
02-19-2009, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by rob_990
i also see you have yfz brake pads.why?

they are a stickier compound better for high speed and last a long time.

sc400ex_rider
02-19-2009, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Pipeless416
progressive rate* ;)

ya TY pipeless i knew they were something i was even starting to think they were triple rate the way they are wound. check out this pic of a "set" of shocks on ebay right now. im not sure if this would be a stable ride. i got the 05 springs they were white when i got them. i didnt even relize they had changed the spring. i dont like the way the silver one is, it does'nt seem "progressive" to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YFZ450-Stock-Front-Shocks-YFZ-450-450R_W0QQitemZ260363793404QQihZ016QQcategoryZ43974 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/BM2wqgBWkKGrHgoH-DkEjlLl0KttBJmkv98.jpg

sc400ex_rider
02-20-2009, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by sc400ex_rider
ok question are the frames powder coated from the factory? IDK mine has held up pretty good but there is some rust in the tight area's. second about the frame flex i worked in a body shop and they have an additive for the plastic bumper covers called flexable parts additive so couldnt you use this on the frames? and lastly when i put yfz450 springs on my 450r shocks i painted them red with a can of rustolium. it has been over a year so does it have a lot to do with surface prep as they look as good as the day i painted them and i cant see nothing flexing more than a spring.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011331.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011126.jpg

HELLO ANYONE? ya i think im a haft to call B/S on this one!! LOL PWND

Flynbryan19
02-20-2009, 11:24 AM
Rattle can jobs will not hold up very well, but a well prepped, primered, painted, and clear coated paint job should hold up pretty well. Prep work is the BIGGEST factor to whether or not a paint job will hold up.

I just got done having this done to my frame. My father is an automotive painter, so this was not a backyard job. I will see how it holds up and if it doesn't last I will have it powdercoated this coming winter.

sc400ex_rider
02-20-2009, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Flynbryan19
Rattle can jobs will not hold up very well, but a well prepped, primered, painted, and clear coated paint job should hold up pretty well. Prep work is the BIGGEST factor to whether or not a paint job will hold up.

I just got done having this done to my frame. My father is an automotive painter, so this was not a backyard job. I will see how it holds up and if it doesn't last I will have it powdercoated this coming winter.

ya i got a friend who paints cars so that's how mine will be done. i mean they don't put crappy paint on 50k cars. if you mud bog a'lot or bottom out the frame no paint is going to hold up. i'm just really impressed with that rustoleum stuff.

RATPACK Z400
02-20-2009, 11:53 AM
Ive got 4yrs on my frame this is after two years of woods and desert riding still looks decent its not as flashly as automotive or powercoat but alot less money.only rocks have chipped paint no flaking at all.

Pappy
02-20-2009, 12:55 PM
ratpack..thats exactly what i expect from rattle can..dull and chipped to hell and beyond


sc400ex...no the factory frames are painted and they look like crap fast. rust starts at the majority of the welds and almost at every corner...its just crappy that we pay so much and get so little. i would have to call bs on teh springs, look at teh condition of the other parts compared to what is supposed to be year old paint? cmon dude...i aint buyin it. chances are you painted over the pc..try it on bare springs haha


and if you are a body man...price out what it costs to prep and paint a frame, primer, color coat, clear etc and then see how it compares to powder coat costs

rattle can my ***

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2130/2138647185_4169950bdc_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2408/2139433222_a2db699239_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2139427792_dc3ec10590_o.jpg

Flynbryan19
02-23-2009, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Pappy
[B]ratpack..thats exactly what i expect from rattle can..dull and chipped to hell and beyond


sc400ex...no the factory frames are painted and they look like crap fast. rust starts at the majority of the welds and almost at every corner...its just crappy that we pay so much and get so little. i would have to call bs on teh springs, look at teh condition of the other parts compared to what is supposed to be year old paint? cmon dude...i aint buyin it. chances are you painted over the pc..try it on bare springs haha


and if you are a body man...price out what it costs to prep and paint a frame, primer, color coat, clear etc and then see how it compares to powder coat costs

rattle can my ***


Agreed, if your paying for all the products and labor PC is MUCH less expensive. If I had had to pay for the paint job I got it would have been big money. I have told all who asked about it that it is cheaper to PC. Thankfully I only paid for the sandpaper to prep it. :p

Flynbryan19
02-23-2009, 06:48 AM
If it holds up 2 years I'll be content and it'll be torn down to do again. If not, of to the PC'er I go. ;)

http://i41.tinypic.com/2i6j5eg.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/oti72q.jpg

iownatoyota
02-23-2009, 01:53 PM
welll im doing my paint job for like $50...

got it blasted for free, my friends dad is letting me and his son use his paint booth for free, and the kid is an amazing painter.

so all i have to do is pay for paint, and he will spray on the primer, paint, and clear.

he did his ex 4 years ago, nice red paint job and a bunch of clear and his had held the test of time, ill get sum pics hopefully in the next couple days...

Ruby Soho
02-23-2009, 03:46 PM
i dont think its worth it to do anything but PC on quads/bikes.

I got my parts powdercoated and held up more than great. the only rattle canning i did was black, over my already black pegs to blacken them up alittle (did this after i got all my PC done) and that didn't up more than a month.

you can't beat powdercoating when it comes to this situation.. ya you might be able to get your rattle can to last alittle or look nice, but you aren't better than powdercoating..

plus the cost of powdercoating is not much, you can always try to help the powdercoated by blasting your own parts. i got my PC for free, because i blasted my frame/parts, and put them through the process for the guy. all he had to do was do the actual spraying and baking.

iownatoyota
02-23-2009, 04:34 PM
well the cheapest i found for powdercoating in my town is 250$ i can use car paint and a paint gun for less than $100 with clear

Ruby Soho
02-23-2009, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by iownatoyota
well the cheapest i found for powdercoating in my town is 250$ i can use car paint and a paint gun for less than $100 with clear

the extra 150$ would be worth it in my opinion.

RATPACK Z400
02-23-2009, 06:25 PM
I should have clear coated just needed to paint and fast to go on trip to AZ cinders thats two years of hard desert&woods riding still not that bad,yes if had more time&money would have loved to paint it right but rattle can jobs arent, as bad as people think they are, I just welded frame gusset I made myself and had no money to spend 200-300 for paint job and if you dont have the money WHY NOT spray it yourself looks better than stock thats for sure! Not everybody can afford what you can when I first did it went to dealer for valves and mec. came out and was impressed with the paint and so was I just should have clear coated then the shine would have lasted,OH well.

sc400ex_rider
02-24-2009, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
I should have clear coated just needed to paint and fast to go on trip to AZ cinders thats two years of hard desert&woods riding still not that bad,yes if had more time&money would have loved to paint it right but rattle can jobs arent, as bad as people think they are, I just welded frame gusset I made myself and had no money to spend 200-300 for paint job and if you dont have the money WHY NOT spray it yourself looks better than stock thats for sure! Not everybody can afford what you can when I first did it went to dealer for valves and mec. came out and was impressed with the paint and so was I just should have clear coated then the shine would have lasted,OH well.

Ya theres a lot of people out there with more money than sense. its like people who cant ride spending 2 g's on long travel suspension THINKING it will make them faster LOL. "house of colors" has candy colors that look just like pappy's pics. they have a wineberry that color shifts from candy apple red to almost black it just depends on the angle of the sun. im a dude i dont have to have a "fancy" paint job, i'd rather spend that money on my motor!!!! :D

Homerx
02-24-2009, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by sc400ex_rider
Ya theres a lot of people out there with more money than sense. its like people who cant ride spending 2 g's on long travel suspension THINKING it will make them faster LOL. "house of colors" has candy colors that look just like pappy's pics. they have a wineberry that color shifts from candy apple red to almost black it just depends on the angle of the sun. im a dude i dont have to have a "fancy" paint job, i'd rather spend that money on my motor!!!! :D

Best post on this thread. I agree, spend the money on the motor, so you can go fast enough not to see the paint :)

sc400ex_rider
02-24-2009, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by iownatoyota
welll im doing my paint job for like $50...

got it blasted for free, my friends dad is letting me and his son use his paint booth for free, and the kid is an amazing painter.

so all i have to do is pay for paint, and he will spray on the primer, paint, and clear.

he did his ex 4 years ago, nice red paint job and a bunch of clear and his had held the test of time, ill get sum pics hopefully in the next couple days...

ya exactly the paint is the cheapest part. its the labor and booth time that cost. i have a friend who paints on the side and he owes me one for helping him twin turbo his truck.

ratpack i see no rust on your frame anywhere and thats mostly what im worried about. i think a nice auto base coat/clear coat system will be fine for me.

pappy im not busting on your stuff, its nice and i know your just trying to drum up some business. here are some more close up spring pics i took TODAY the paint is not fresh as you can see the dirt inside the coil.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011381.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011382.jpg

now these are freshly painted
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011386.jpg

Pappy
02-24-2009, 07:52 AM
Chief, Im not trying to drum up business...anyone that is going to rattle can their parts isnt going to drop coin to have someone powdercoat their parts.

And if you cant see the badly chipped parts of ratpacks parts, then clean your monitor:p All of your pics show less then 2 months apart by date so im not sure where your getting a year of use from. Look at the area of your shocks where the threads are for the preload..a year of good use will show alot more dirt and grime in there if you compare it to the rest of your quad, you just dont keep your machine clean enough to pull this off:p

sc400ex_rider
02-24-2009, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Pappy
Chief, Im not trying to drum up business...anyone that is going to rattle can their parts isnt going to drop coin to have someone powdercoat their parts.

And if you cant see the badly chipped parts of ratpacks parts, then clean your monitor:p All of your pics show less then 2 months apart by date so im not sure where your getting a year of use from. Look at the area of your shocks where the threads are for the preload..a year of good use will show alot more dirt and grime in there if you compare it to the rest of your quad, you just dont keep your machine clean enough to pull this off:p

OMG i got the springs off here. heres the the PM

BarkBuster450
Member

Registered: Dec 2006
Posts: 32
front springs sent
Front springs are sent.
Track #1Z170X670373332569
THANKS

03-10-2008 05:38 PM


and you must not know me cause i do keep my quad that clean. i dont mud bog it, thats what i did with my warrior in the 90's. this is my 02 with original everything paint, plastic, tires, stickers, grips, seat cover, tool box ect. but i have had this quad in water up to my knee's. i just take care of my stuff.

<a href="http://s140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/?action=view&current=S4011331.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r20/starcraftier1/S4011331.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Homerx
02-24-2009, 08:27 AM
Ummm compressed pancakes :)

Pappy
02-24-2009, 08:36 AM
Bud, im not trying to argue with you, just stating fact. The pictures you have posted are 2 months apart...fact.

The condition of your quad isnt as clean as you want to make it out in the pictures.....look at the side cases, the joints of the frame, the missing paint on the arms, the general scummy build up on the parts. This is what can be seen:p

Ever notice those claiming things hold up or arent worth the money always fall back to "I dont mud bog, I dont abuse, I dont race" my quad!

I geuss there is a few interpretations of clean out there;)


For us, it holds up in the worst enviroments we can encounter or it doesnt get advertised or used.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/2372843557_6766d68c46_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2373695928_91b87e70a5_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2108/2350995410_d4ccbd9dda_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2251/2350147909_5f4bfcfb90_o.jpg

Race Proven
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2011/2144156794_9f0c7cd789_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1416/1261280959_3e46aa11d9_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/535845618_cd1fdc4c31_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/251/524960774_3edffbea10_b.jpg

sc400ex_rider
02-24-2009, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Pappy


sc400ex... i would have to call bs on teh springs, look at teh condition of the other parts compared to what is supposed to be year old paint? cmon dude...i aint buyin it.


and if you are a body man...price out what it costs to prep and paint a frame, primer, color coat, clear etc and then see how it compares to powder coat costs



LOL first of all you have made all kinds off wrong interpretations here. ok first the springs look TOO good to be painted for 1 year when compared to the SEVEN year old ORIGINAL frame paint. even though i stated i had it in 2 feet of water

second i never stated i was a body man


Originally posted by Pappy
Bud, im not trying to argue with you, just stating fact. The pictures you have posted are 2 months apart...fact.

The condition of your quad isnt as clean as you want to make it out in the pictures.....look at the side cases, the joints of the frame, the missing paint on the arms, the general scummy build up on the parts. This is what can be seen:p

Ever notice those claiming things hold up or arent worth the money always fall back to "I dont mud bog, I dont abuse, I dont race" my quad!

I geuss there is a few interpretations of clean out there;)


For us, it holds up in the worst enviroments we can encounter or it doesnt get advertised or used.


i proved that i got the springs in early 08 its now early 09 so the first pics were 10 months old and the new ones i JUST took are 12 months old. so the pics are 2 months apart but they look the same. it's still 12 months old paint, kinda splitin hairs here ehh?
:rolleyes:

next i never said i had the worlds greatest show quad. it has never been taken apart and detailed for show. it does have rust in the tight areas thats why im lookin to repaint it.

i never stated it wasnt worth the money. i never stated i dont abuse or race my quad. i beat the **** out of it and will race anybody even my buddies outlaw 525.

im sure there are not many 02 ex's on the east coast with as much hours on it, as clean as mine. maybe out in the desert where they see no rain but here no matter how hard you try its getting dirty.

and lastly i dont think its your place to be talking down and criticizing other peoples quads. not everyone has 20k to put in a quad. that's not the nature of this sport. its no wonder the country is broke, putting 50k in a 1998 doge neon is what makes America great right?

Pappy
02-24-2009, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by sc400ex_rider


and lastly i dont think its your place to be talking down and criticizing other peoples quads.

If you dont want the critizism, then dont post up the pictures. I call it like I see it, and it isnt putting your machine down or anyone else's.

Now I see your not a body man, but when a person with years of expierence offers advice in a particluliar field, it might be a good idea to open your ears and stop offering up excuses.

Im just going off the EXIF data in the pics you posted as far as the dates....they show they were taken 2 months apart regardless of the year taken.

Youre free to mull this thread over...or maybe start a rattle can shop..I have work to do on $20k quads:p

iownatoyota
02-24-2009, 07:20 PM
still think a rattlecan job looks better than stock rust :P

BlasterEaten250
02-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by iownatoyota
still think a rattlecan job looks better than stock rust :P Exactly.

That's all I'm gonna say in this thread, I have to go work on my 2k quad.

shok47
02-24-2009, 09:19 PM
SO stock paint is not PC, its just painted

Pappy
02-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by shok47
SO stock paint is not PC, its just painted

Thats correct..its crappy paint

And for the record, none of the quads I posted cost $20K to build....but makes me proud to think they look that way:devil:

blankenship
02-24-2009, 10:07 PM
i have read this whole thread and it is pretty funny


bottom line............if u want something that will hold up to almost anything u can throw at it including a bfh the get the powder coating if u want to tear your bike apart and paint it every 2 years then paint it but i think pappy proved his point powder coating last longer u get what u pay for 75$ every 2 year or 350$ once

Pappy
02-24-2009, 10:11 PM
$350 would get every part on a quad coated:p

Average prices vary, $175 for a frame and sub is average. I dont tell folks to only use me...check locally BUT GET IT COATED. No sense in wasting the time, money and effort for something that will look as bad as what you started with in short order.

Hell, buy your own hobby pc kit:p

blankenship
02-24-2009, 10:17 PM
hey pappy can i pm you on some prices i live kinda far but 175 for frame is way better than where i live they want 350 just frame no sub frame

Pappy
02-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Canada is nuts to ship to.

I just shipped a frame back to Alaska and it ran $172:huh

blankenship
02-24-2009, 10:19 PM
im only in ontario lol where are you

Pappy
02-24-2009, 10:20 PM
25427 is my zip

run it through the differnt options (UPS/Fed Ex) and see what ya get

frame and sub weighs 35 pounds depending on which one it is

blankenship
02-24-2009, 10:21 PM
how do you normally package frames.......

Pappy
02-24-2009, 10:22 PM
Most folks zip tie the sub inside the main frame and shrink wrap

blankenship
02-24-2009, 10:24 PM
so it does not matter that there is no box.........what would you know demensions of the frame like that would be

Pappy
02-24-2009, 10:25 PM
No, they dont care of there isnt a box.

Wasnt there a guy from canada posting on page 1 that he gets all his frames done for $75? Maybe check into where he is getting his done?

blankenship
02-24-2009, 10:34 PM
i looked for the post on page one but i was unable to find it mayb it is just me it is gettin kinda late......i will look into the shipping options to your area and get back to you if it is not over 200 there and back ill have to get some of your famous work.........oh yea nice work by the way

iownatoyota
02-25-2009, 09:31 AM
all comes down to money, spend what ya got...me... i dont have the extra150$ for coating, rather spend it on parts :)

RATPACK Z400
02-25-2009, 05:18 PM
say you dont like powercoating and want different color ,how do you get old off?or do you go over old pc?and does that add weight?

Pappy
02-25-2009, 05:23 PM
It can be painted over, but ideally it will be stripped to bare metal and re-coated.

No, it adds no more weight then paint

Homerx
02-25-2009, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by blankenship
i looked for the post on page one but i was unable to find it mayb it is just me it is gettin kinda late......i will look into the shipping options to your area and get back to you if it is not over 200 there and back ill have to get some of your famous work.........oh yea nice work by the way

There must be PC'ers in your area, I know there is one in Kingston, they advertise on kijij all the time.

blankenship
02-25-2009, 06:48 PM
yea homerx you are right there is ktown coatings they said 350 for frame and sub frame plus sand blasting it would be almost 500 just for the frame and sub frame then i another 150 i think he said for the a arms.......thats alot.....

Homerx
02-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by blankenship
yea homerx you are right there is ktown coatings they said 350 for frame and sub frame plus sand blasting it would be almost 500 just for the frame and sub frame then i another 150 i think he said for the a arms.......thats alot.....

Yikes thats insane. . guess I won't use them either lol

blankenship
02-25-2009, 06:54 PM
yea i am looking into afterburner coatings i think they are in toronto area they have a website

iownatoyota
02-26-2009, 09:27 AM
that guy must be making a killn off of powdercoating for those prices, if hes even getting any business.... 225 is about average and a good price, 350+??? thats ****ing stupid...

blankenship
02-26-2009, 10:47 AM
yea i am going to call the k town coatings and see if he will move on those prices cause it is retarded

custompainter99
02-26-2009, 04:56 PM
Its not about frame flex,,so on and so on. Its about durability. I can get anything to look nice and shiny and cool, But any paint cannot withstand rock chips and the constant abuse a atv frame gets. Even the best urethane paint is only marginal at best for this. POWDER COAT is the ONLY way to ho for this application. Thats why every majoe manufactuer powder coats their frame.....Hope this helps.

Ruby Soho
02-26-2009, 05:20 PM
i shipped my frame UPS ground in a box for 55$.

I thought it would be more, but it was only 55!

400exhead
02-26-2009, 07:37 PM
man im glad i read this

iownatoyota
02-27-2009, 11:42 AM
if u run skid plates u never even have to worry, and im still going to stick with teh paint until i got extra money for powdercoat after i get my performance **** done.

hypersnyper6947
02-27-2009, 04:38 PM
I just shipped a frame from orlando fl to tuscan arizona it was $135,