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coryatver
02-04-2009, 01:58 PM
I really can't believe nobody has said anything about this yet sorry if this was already a topic but i didn't see it anywhere I saw this on another site. Kids atvs are being banned and this is no joke.

Dealers are clearing out there inventory so if you want one they are pretty much giving them away becuase after FEB 10th you will not be able to buy a kids ATV! I can't even believe this.

Here is a letter that honda dealers got:


Dear Honda Dealer:

On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.

The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.

Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)

Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.

Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm

Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.

Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.

Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.

What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.

**REVIEW IMMEDIATELY**

As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act. With best regards, American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

05LSR250R
02-04-2009, 02:04 PM
This does more harm than good! Now parents will be buying too large of a machine for their kids because the smaller ones aren't available.

coryatver
02-04-2009, 03:26 PM
wow pretty much no response. I can't believe that no one has anything to say about this, there is no news about it on the front page or anything and in 6 days you won't be able to purchase a kids quad from the dealership, Just like that. Now tell me that isn't MESSED UP. This means no more Honda 90's or Yamaha Raptor 90s, or anything like that! THIS IS NOT A TEST this is for real!

extremeblastr
02-04-2009, 03:32 PM
already been 2 threads on it.....

Pappy
02-04-2009, 03:36 PM
There will be exemptions i'm sure and it will get back to normal.

Youc an go nutz about it ofcourse, but bigger fish then us are already all over it, and when they need support they will ask for it. I was a little shocked it wasnt blasted all over the place but it seems it was sort of added to the legislation, and I dont read anywhere that its was an out right attempt (successfull as it is) to void this country of mini atvs.

I also dont know if there will be to much support to fight it. The economy is so bad that I forsee things working out with as little money as possible being thrown into the ring to fight it....and we all know how money seems to help these types of issues:p

dsherw00d
02-04-2009, 03:37 PM
I was at a dealer last night and asked them about this. They are fighting to grandfather in new/unsold inventory. I thought 90s for 12-15 years and would fall outside the ban, but it looks like they are including 12 year olds. I I have no idea how they work up the scenario where a child takes in lead off a quad? I could understand it if they said lets stop using lead due to environmental reasons in future manufacturing, but don't understand how it could be ingested since the paint doesn't have it in it.

elementryder
02-04-2009, 03:54 PM
is this going to happen to all manufactures? because i wouldnt mind going and picking up another 110 cheap!

but this is just outragious! ive been arounds quads since i could walk, and got my first quad when i was 7 years old! im 16 now, i mean i must be a lilttle bit cooky to race motocross but for the most part im just fine!

<DRS>GPF
02-04-2009, 04:10 PM
dont over-read into it.. its a "scare-mongering" tactic, likely from those that stand to lose money.. additionally, it could be "crying wolf" to deter from the truth that sales are non-existant and someone needs to blame something.

read the actual bill and get a better understanding.. it was started years ago and has evolved into what it is now and its about time..

there are recalls galore from foriegn manufacturing and filthy illegals.. it needs to stop.

its likely that honda, yamaha, kawasaki, polaris, etc likely wont have any problem whatsoever.. i dont feel the same at all about the chinese knock-offs..(like suzuki's ******* child hyosung or something like that..)

coryatver
02-04-2009, 04:13 PM
its not a scare tactic this is actually happening after feb 10th no more. I am sure eventually there will be exeptions as pappy said but just the fact they are stoping it, its not any joke

<DRS>GPF
02-04-2009, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by coryatver
its not a scare tactic this is actually happening after feb 10th no more. I am sure eventually there will be exeptions as pappy said but just the fact they are stoping it, its not any joke

oh i know its not a joke.. i read much of the bill and understand it well enough.. it was passed last august and i saw that they had a running year to comply..(like any other industry that has a regulatory change in the US)

some may not make it, others will do fine..
there is much more than kids atv's on the bill.. they just fell into the group because of the age it affects.
the big names wont have any issues complying.. knock-offs may not be so lucky.

again.. its a scare tactic to get consumers to get "spooked" over it, when its unlikely that it will actually affect anyones purchases of "mini-quads"... (unless the tax return is just burning a hole)

all they need to do is submit the paperwork, certifying theyve had a 3rd party test for lead content in the applicable areas.

theyll get over it and do it or they wont be selling in the largest market they have. (im betting theyll submit to the bill's requirements)

coryatver
02-04-2009, 04:41 PM
The thing is feb 10th 6 days from now, someone goes in the dealer to get a trx90 the dealer is going to have to say Sorry we have 10 of them in the back but we can't sell you one:scary: messed up. I also can't believe this forum is regulating the information about this i put up a link to a news arcticle about this and it was taken down. We should be joining together on issues like this.

Pappy
02-04-2009, 05:09 PM
http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/atvcert.pdf

Read it from the horses mouth.

GE4x4
02-04-2009, 05:44 PM
According to my dealer, this only effects atv for up to age 12. So the 90 are not effected. You can see this by going on ebay. Every dealer is doing all they can to get rid of the 50cc quads and selling near 1/2 price. But you see no sale on the 90's.

jherbie28
02-04-2009, 05:54 PM
i just talked to the sales manager at cycle world of brookyln park,MD and its true all right, all because of the lead count in the machines. this sucks........the youth is the future of the sport and im sure things will change, i hope

MX450
02-05-2009, 06:55 AM
seems like they could just market the minis as toys for adults, then they could sell them

05LSR250R
02-05-2009, 06:59 AM
They need to leave the choice to the parents. When their lookin' at a bike for their kid, make it mandatory to have some sort of waiver to be signed by the parents. Cant stand it when the Government wont let people make their own decisions!!