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QuadJunkies
01-30-2009, 11:43 PM
I am just in shock and disgusted !! :mad: WTF?!
Where does this put our Youth ??!!!

Dealers are liquidating their inventory. It's $100K and possible dealer license loss for each event to sell any bike with a sticker that says age 12 or below. Feb 9th is the last day. This applies to quads and dirt bikes and all brands. .

The following is a letter sent to Honda dealers from American Honda's senior vice president, Ray Blank...


Dear Honda Dealer:

On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.

The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.

Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)

Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.

Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm

Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.

Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.

Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.

What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.

**REVIEW IMMEDIATELY**

As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act. With best regards, American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

Old Head
01-31-2009, 03:23 AM
I wonder if they government willl ever realize the more they take away from kids the more they will lean toward illegal activity. Heck here in jersey you fart wrong and there are 4 cops coming at you 90 mph, its definately not like it used to be.

Pappy
01-31-2009, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Old Head
I wonder if they government willl ever realize the more they take away from kids the more they will lean toward illegal activity. Heck here in jersey you fart wrong and there are 4 cops coming at you 90 mph, its definately not like it used to be.

Funny part is, that every expert that is asked will tell you that our youth are not getting enough exercise......

Look in to Joe Biden's past..he has been at the forefront of lead paint and anything involving lead for the last 25 years. I wouldnt doubt to find his name associated somewhere with the legislation involved here. I helped fight him politically in the early 90's when he wanted the battery manufactures to pay for lead paint clean up!

I havent read the full report on all of this, but it seems the atv's are getting caught up in the mix. It surprises me that the manufatcures havent been shouting from the highest hilltop for support since day 1. You cant ask for support after the legislation is passed.....too little too late.

Opens the door for an american company to produce mini quads however:cool:

Pappy
01-31-2009, 09:10 AM
BTW..Im not bashing Obama or his staff, but I do foresee more "change" of this nature coming in the future. This is exactly the type of legislation we will recieve on a myriad of issues and there wont be much fight to getting it passed.

Dealers will lose, manufactures will lose, you and the kids lose, aftermarket loses, tire manufacture lose, mechanics lose, sales tax dollars decline.......yep, sounds like the thing we need right now.

Wait until they turn on firearms and other industries deemed "out dated". This is exactly the kind of way they can move out issues without lobbyist being able to do anything but report it after its done. They are already after lead core bullets, maybe soon its something else they find "unsafe" and use it as the reasoning behind new laws and regulation that continue to choke our economy and way of life.

bustedknuckle
01-31-2009, 09:41 AM
wonder if this includes quads built in usa .like kawi ,ithink there are others that are built in the us.

Ralph
01-31-2009, 09:44 AM
I think its a shame that atv's got caught in this but we need to regulate the products coming in from china.

You hear something new everyday, the toothpaste thing. Look at this one:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/hairband.asp

Hopefully it is fixed soon.

400EXtreme
01-31-2009, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Ralph
I think its a shame that atv's got caught in this but we need to regulate the products coming in from china.

You hear something new everyday, the toothpaste thing. Look at this one:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/hairband.asp

Hopefully it is fixed soon. What is this world coming too

Pappy
01-31-2009, 10:37 AM
Regulation is fine, but stopping the importation of atvs due to possible lead paint is different. Honda has already stated that their paints have zero lead or no amount that would flag it as being hazzardous, yet they will not be able to sell TRX90's. Im sure Yamaha is the same. If it were that big of an issue, any imported model would be banned because they use the same paint...lol.

like tr5ron said, he wont let his kid chew on the frame:eek2:

01-31-2009, 10:44 AM
If your kid is chewing on the frame something ain't right upstairs..:huh

Ralph
01-31-2009, 11:46 AM
I believe nothing bans ATV's specifically. The problem lies with traces of lead being in the alloys inside the engine and stuff.

It sucks that the bill wasn't written better to exclude these types of things and i hope it will get fixed.

Maybe we will see the Youth ATV's just be Mini ATV's and not recommend for any age to get around the law till it gets revised.

BLU82
01-31-2009, 12:11 PM
So can I go down to my honda dealer right now and get a smokin deal on any youth dirtbike or atv? I may have a new pitbike in my garage soon.

QuadJunkies
02-01-2009, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by BLU82
So can I go down to my honda dealer right now and get a smokin deal on any youth dirtbike or atv? I may have a new pitbike in my garage soon.
I had alot of people asking the same question last night at the track...

deathman53
02-01-2009, 09:19 AM
funny, I posted this some days ago and BS was called on it. The same source I got the original info from got this as an update to the issue



The Consumer Product Safety Commission today granted a one-year stay of testing and certification requirements for certain products to be regulated under the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act. According to the agency, the stay provides "some temporary, limited relief to the crafters, children’s garment manufacturers and toy makers who had been subject to the testing and certification required under the CPSIA." Not included under the stay are, among other things, the ban on lead in paint and other surface coatings, the standards for full-size and non full-size cribs and pacifiers and the limits on lead content of metal components of children’s jewelry.

In a statement, Consumers Union said: "We would have preferred the CPSC to use its authority under the law to grant specific exemptions for products that pose little or no health risk. This stay of enforcement for one year goes beyond what would have been necessary if the CPSC had addressed the concerns in a timely manner. Nevertheless, it does preserve the most critical intent of the law -- to protect children from dangerous products -- while leaving time to sort out implementation issues."

QuadJunkies
02-01-2009, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by deathman53
funny, I posted this some days ago and BS was called on it. The same source I got the original info from got this as an update to the issue



The Consumer Product Safety Commission today granted a one-year stay of testing and certification requirements for certain products to be regulated under the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act. According to the agency, the stay provides "some temporary, limited relief to the crafters, children’s garment manufacturers and toy makers who had been subject to the testing and certification required under the CPSIA." Not included under the stay are, among other things, the ban on lead in paint and other surface coatings, the standards for full-size and non full-size cribs and pacifiers and the limits on lead content of metal components of children’s jewelry.

In a statement, Consumers Union said: "We would have preferred the CPSC to use its authority under the law to grant specific exemptions for products that pose little or no health risk. This stay of enforcement for one year goes beyond what would have been necessary if the CPSC had addressed the concerns in a timely manner. Nevertheless, it does preserve the most critical intent of the law -- to protect children from dangerous products -- while leaving time to sort out implementation issues."

Oh sorry..I havent seen this post before or I wouldnt have posted it , I just read about it somewhere else.

I can see toys for small children that they put in there mouth, I can see jewlery, I totally understand the whole lead thing, but c'mon.... like kids are going to stick valve stems in the mouth? :huh
Next thing they will be banned from riding in a car .:rolleyes:
What kind of morons are we dealilng with?!!

deathman53
02-01-2009, 11:57 AM
I completely agree, its ridicules. Its like..when riding atv's or drtbikes, you typically start to chew on it, then rub your hands in the paint chips, give me a break!!!! I can see kids sticking action figures, toy trucks/car/motorcycles in their mouth and maybe even chewing on furniture. But a atv or dirtbike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know if its me or what? but doesn't it seam like kids today babied, everything is anti-germ/vius/bacterial, kids used to be sent out on their bikes and told to have a good time, if they come back with a cut or scratch, clean it up, bandaid it and tell them to get back playing.

Where I grew it, we used to go to make-shift bmx ramps, ride our bmx bikes in the mud, sometimes even wrestle in the mud, go for walks along the creek and by the time we came back we looked like swamp monsters. We cleaned ourselves up and continued on . It was all abut being a kid and you learned from something you did and what not to do again in that situation. We didn't get sick alot either. There wasn't anything anti-germ/bacteria/vius, alot of the paint and general home items contained lead. None of this stuff we have today, back then, clorox bleach was the disinfectant used. We didn't get sick or have these problems we have now.

Kids need to be kids and taken out of the safety bubble and learn for themselves what to and not to do. I seen a kid fall off her bike a few months ago, she made this huge scene, cried for 10 minutes, a bunch of parents came over, then more. She had a scrape on her knee not big and little blood, she wouldn't get up and walk back, her mother had to pick her up, then a caravan of parents,other kids followed down the street. Is this they kind of kids we are raising today???? If it is, we are really pathetic. When I grew up, we'd get back up, use our shirt or something to clean it off and get back riding.

I can go on and on about how life in general changed from being foods, diets, exercise, our habits and safety stuff. We need to take our kids out of the bubbles and let them learn for themselves of what to do/not to do, if they get a cut, clean it off, maybe bandaid and get back playing, if they fall, get back up and try it again, don't give up.

I didn't mean that comment to you, don't worry. It was toward the others that called bs on the same article I posted, but now aren't.

mcarlson1
02-01-2009, 12:43 PM
The way i see it is, Obama has already lost 15 points on his approval rating, if he keeps this up hell be below 50% by the end of february and everybody will realize what a HUGE mistake they made by voting him into office and he'll be out of office in 4 years everything will be back to normal for all of us off road enthusiests. We just gotta stick this out for a little bit and do what we can to delay and stop all of this stupid crap that his cabinet is trying to pull.

Thanks,
Mike

<DRS>GPF
02-01-2009, 05:41 PM
un-f'n believable..

oh yeah.. its been obama's secret agenda since day 1.. way to read into it... :rolleyes:

in the article posted above the date the bill was passed is AUGUST 14, 2008.. (psssst.. august comes before november)

put some effort into reading it instead of making assumptions..
http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsia.HTML

as stated in the post, it has to do with lead contaminants..

now i realize some have been under a rock for the past few years(a little over 8), but the agencies that are supposed to be policing this stuff had their proverbial "leashes" loosened and recall after recall should be more than enough evidence of it.

get over it, things like this need fixed.. obviously!!
had any peanut butter lately??.. is it safe to feed the pets??.. is that crib on this list with the others??..
how much more do you need to see and hear?? (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prerel.html)

use your heads.. it has nothing to do with taking away anyones freedom, nor is it anything the current the majority elected president "penned"..

oh btw.. as ive read it, restrictions on lead contaminants does not mean theyre coming after the flintlocks..

godzilla
02-02-2009, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by mcarlson1
The way i see it is, Obama has already lost 15 points on his approval rating, if he keeps this up hell be below 50% by the end of february and everybody will realize what a HUGE mistake they made by voting him into office and he'll be out of office in 4 years everything will be back to normal for all of us off road enthusiests. We just gotta stick this out for a little bit and do what we can to delay and stop all of this stupid crap that his cabinet is trying to pull.

Thanks,
Mike

Its OK, because for every person like yourself who is SCREAMING about all kinds of "injustices", there are 10 more people who are thrilled that something is finally being done about the many issues that have been ignored for years.