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[mod440ex]

this didnt take long, less than a week in office. it seems like this country has more to worry about then gun laws right now.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111

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[mod440ex]

try this
http://missouriwhitetails.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=78153

[scuzz]

You king of broken links...we're not members....

[mod440ex]

it will work one of these times:D



Gun legislation entered yesterday (so I have heard)



An email I recieved. I am on vacation so have no time to research it. If someone wants to research this please feel free and let us know.

I really can't say either way.....


This supposedly hit Congress yesterday, covered as a "common sense gun laws" bill... common sense my butt, anyone with any common sense knows it's not the law abiding citizens that cause the problems, it's the people doing illegal things with weapons that they're not allowed to own already.
Section 2 is important, notice that the "Owners Card" is only good for 5 years, and even if you apply for it you get to pay whatever the government deems to be a proper tax for that "right". If they're anti-gun, what stops the cards from costing $100k apiece?
Best part at the bottom was "Law Enforcement Only Ammunition."
Gun Law Update
Illinois congressman Bobby Rush, from Obama's home state and with a voting record on gun ownership as bad as Obama's, introduced a bill on the first day of the 111th Congress that shows what we can expect. If we don't defeat this bill, and others expected to follow it, gun owners will lose guns and the industry will suffer harm beyond description.
Under HR 45, if you can't pass a complex test written by the U.S. Attorney General (described in detail below), pay the tax, give up fingerprints and a biometric-capable photo of yourself (that can be turned into a digital facial-recognition number and used as a de facto national ID), every gun you own will become contraband and subject to confiscation, while you stand trial before imprisonment. You'd think Bobby, a former black panther, would know better.
Your rights will have an expiration date, and if you screw up and miss it, you'll be in the same mess as people who can't pass the test. Can you say "unconstitutional"? Do you think these "gun bigots" care?
Now that the Supreme Court has made it clear in the Heller case that government can't ban guns, the Brady's have stopped saying they want to ban guns. So the virtually treasonous Bobby Rush bill doesn't ban guns, it bans gun owners, maybe by the millions. How many gun owners read poorly or don't test well? How many can't explain local, state and federal gun laws? They'd become prohibited possessors under HR 45. Are there any limits to what the AG can put on the test? The bill doesn't mention any -- it gives the AG a free hand to include anything.
Had enough? HR 45 has an innocent-looking line that says 'strike the second sentence of 18 USC 926(a)'. That's the line that says the federal government cannot make a central registry of gun owners.
The anti-rights people have to repeal that line, because Bobby's bill flat-out creates a central gun registry. Every gun owner must be registered to keep on possessing the guns they already own, and any transfer of any kind must be registered as well. The mark of the beast is upon us, to apply a metaphor.
See the bill for yourself (click "Bill Number" and enter "HR 45"): http://thomas.loc.gov
HR 45 HR 45
The bill starts with a statement of purpose that says: " because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce." Basically, this eliminates the Tenth Amendment and the Interstate Commerce Clause. The Constitution can't legally be amended by statute. Is that enough to seek Mr. Rush's removal from office? I won't bore you with the other "purposes" which are as bad or worse.
Only "qualifying firearms" are affected. That means any handgun, or any semi-auto firearm that has a removable magazine (what they call a " detachable ammunition feeding device").
After the bill becomes law (IF it becomes law), it's illegal for you to have or get those firearms, even if you already own them, without a special federal license. There are grace periods up to two years to register yourself once the law is passed.
Do you see how clever this is? You cold-dead-fingers guys can keep your guns if you like, refuse to register yourselves, and then you're subject to arrest on the spot. If you go anywhere with your guns -- to the range, a store, a gunsmith, a friend's house, hunting, competition -- and you're spotted, you go straight to jail. If you're already on a list (can anyone say "carry permit" or "hunting license"?) and you don't sign up, well, just connect those dots. Where does the cold-dead-fingers part come into play? I'll bet the ranges will start requiring you to show your papers before you can hit the line.
To get the license you must "submit to the Attorney General" (they chose that phrase right by golly): a passport-type photo, identifying info, any name you have ever used or ever been known by (I have nicknames, pen names, stage names, omitting any presumably violates the statute) a thumbprint, certification that any firearms will be "safely" stored and out of possession of people under 18, authorization to give up any mental health records, and a certificate that you passed a government-run test.
The test must include knowledge of: safe storage, safe handling, use of firearms at home, the risks of firearms at home, local state and federal legal requirements for firearms, reporting requirements for firearms, and ANY other subjects the AG decides are appropriate. You date and sign the submission, making it perjury if your info is inaccurate.
I'm skipping some details on who can accept the form, time periods for filing it and similar red tape on this 4,600 word bill. The AG "shall" issue the license if you pass the test and do everything else, and also "shall" charge you a tax for the privilege of getting your rights licensed, up to $25 at present. This gets you a tamper-resistant photo ID card with your official number, address, date of birth, signature and the expiration date of your "rights" (about five years, it's complicated). There's a renewal procedure (it's complicated) and no apparent limit on the renewal tax you will be charged (the AG gets power to control the details).
The license can be revoked for cause of course, and the AG "shall" make sure you give it up if it's revoked.
Once this thing is in place, it's illegal to transfer or receive any affected firearm (all handguns and any semi-auto with a magazine) without the license. Transfers can only be made to or from a licensed dealer, who has to jump through hoops and file papers, and has 14 days to get that done (a waiting period on the dealer's shoulders), to get government approvals and authorization numbers.
The dealer must send the feds the gun name and/or model number, maker, serial number, your license number, name, address and transfer date, which the feds must store in a "Federal Record of Sale System," a permanent national gun registry.
This needs to be said verbatim: "(c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration -- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence." That sentence says the feds can't register the firearms Americans own:
"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act [1986> may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established." The Bobby Rush bill says kiss that sentence and its extremely crucial protections goodbye.
There are a few small exceptions for an undefined "infrequent" firearm gift, bequest or intestate succession among parents, their kids and grandparents and grandkids, and also for lending a firearm " for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other." Sloppy language in this part of the bill bans the transfer of any firearm (not just "qualifying" firearms) between anyone without going through the hoops.
If you lose a handgun or magazine-fed semi-auto, or if one is stolen from you -- you've broken the law if you don't report that to the AG within 72 hours.
If you own such guns, change your address and don't notify the AG within 60 days -- you've committed a crime. In other words, they track you non-stop or you're subject to arrest. No victim, no harm, no foul, no evil, just government placing you in jail for failure to comply. Bobby Rush thinks this is good law, a legitimate use of government.
If you keep in your home a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammo for it, and a person under 18 gets it and harms someone with it -- you've committed a crime. There are some flimsy exceptions (like you know or should reasonably know federal and state gun law for kids) and of course, all the "proper" authorities -- federal, state, local, military, elected, appointed, even employees of government on the job are exempted -- twice. Bobby Rush says OK for thee but not for me, tee hee.
Lengthy penalty sections include two-, five- and ten-year sentences and fines for paperwork violations, possession violations, transfer violations, child-access violations, safe-storage violations and of course, failure to pass the test if you still keep your guns.
The bill ends with sweeping powers for the Attorney General that could be interpreted to mean almost anything, so the details I've described might be little more than a smokescreen! For instance: "The Attorney General may issue an order prohibiting the sale or transfer of any firearm that the Attorney General finds has been transferred or distributed in violation of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or a regulation issued under this Act."
There's plenty of that in here, plus endless inspection powers, injunctive powers and even, "shall issue regulations... as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms..." Is the AG someone we can trust? Or is it someone with utter contempt for the right to keep and bear arms? If it's Eric Holder, Obama's nominee, we get a guy who told the Supreme Court that a total gun ban in your own home is just fine and doesn't violate the Bill of Rights.
Oh, and one final kick in the ribs. Federalism, the idea that states have powers the feds don't, could get in the way. So the bill makes it clear that "...this Act may not be construed to preempt any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision of that State... except to the extent that the provision of law is inconsistent with any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act..." I am not making this up. The hubris and audacity of this bill's author is monumental. My lawyer friends will tell me that legal mumbo-jumbo has become SOP, as the feds usurp any remaining crumbs of your state's legitimate powers.
Maybe you've noticed that virtually none of this addresses criminals or crimes. Innocent gun owners are the target. This is about controlling the public and its private constitutionally protected property. Criminals are guaranteed to ignore the entire plan, and in fact, criminals CANNOT apply, since they can't possess firearms in the first place. Even if criminals could apply, they're protected from incriminating themselves by the Fifth Amendment, so they never would apply.
The bill of course makes no mention of this. That's my job. And people tell me I'm paranoid, that gun bans are just a delusional fantasy of the wacko fringe. What does that say about Bobby Rush from Illinois, the perpetrator of this travesty. He and every co-sponsor he can find should be removed from office. Wherever he appears, people should rise and turn their backs on him as a gesture of disgrace.
Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

[mod440ex]

and here is some more of it.



You see congress can not regulate anything but interstate commerce so they just declare the guns in our homes interstate commerce and now they can require them to be licensed.

`(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

`(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license–

(a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include–
(1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;
(2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;
(3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;
(4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;
(5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;
(6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;
(7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding–
(A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;
(B) the safe handling of firearms;
(C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;
(D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and
(E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;
(8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;
(9) the date on which the application was submitted; and
(10) the signature of the applicant.

So you have to apply to the new Obama anti gun att general to get permission to keep your gun.
So much for Obama not being anti gun Hu. I don’t see Obama saying he won’t pass this new democrat party bill.

This law is unconstitutional because guns in our homes are not interstate commerce 1 and 2 even if they were it violates your 2nd amendment right to have a gun if you can not pass the permit rules not to mention the huge fees they will charge to prevent you from applying.

SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.

(a) Submission of Sale or Transfer Reports- Not later than 14 days after the date on which the transfer of qualifying firearm is processed by a licensed dealer under section 922(bb) of title 18, United States Code (as added by section 201 of this Act), the licensed dealer shall submit to the Attorney General (or, in the case of a licensed dealer located in a State that has a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of this Act, to the head of the State agency that administers that system) a report of that transfer, which shall include information relating to–

(1) the manufacturer of the firearm;
(2) the model name or number of the firearm;
(3) the serial number of the firearm;
(4) the date on which the firearm was received by the transferee;
(5) the number of a valid firearm license issued to the transferee under title I of this Act; and
(6) the name and address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee.
(b) Federal Record of Sale System- Not later than 9 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish and maintain a Federal record of sale system, which shall include the information included in each report submitted to the Attorney General under subsection (a).
(c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence.

So just to make it worse the bill creates a national firearm database of all guns to be stored with the Attorney General.

[ZeroLogic]

So, when is is Obama going to fix the real problems?
Having almost no work isn't a problem to them, nope instead, we'll blame guns. Because guns caused this the economy to crash.:mad: But wait it gets better, instead of making more work for middle class people, well make them all pay for the unemployed or "to lazy to work" so they can live better lives.
We're all in for a hell of a ride.;) :ermm:

[suck my pipe]

If all else fails ill see you in Canada.

[quads14589]

lol

[mxduner]

unbelievable

[250x_kyle]

what will mexico and canada say when we start jumping the border?

[hypersnyper6947]

Originally posted by 250x_kyle
what will mexico and canada say when we start jumping the border?

hahah yea for real.

and this is one of the sole reasons i hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate obama ... and this whole time they said i was just racist i knew this bs would show up, there gonna have to pry my guns from my cold dead arms

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by mxcowboy
and this is one of the sole reasons i hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate obama ... and this whole time they said i was just racist i knew this bs would show up, there gonna have to pry my guns from my cold dead arms

Your still a unintelligent 15 year old.:ermm:
They will renew the assault weapons ban first. They can never take your guns away.;)

[mod440ex]

thats why i called my dad and had him order me an ak47 while he can still get them. and i would say for the rest of you that if you want any high cap pistols or rifles you had better get them in the next few weeks.

[Kickstarts-suck]

Maybe that was why so many people were buying guns in Walmart today... hmm

[mod440ex]

good chance. i just hope i didnt wait to long

[<DRS>GPF]

**stirring the pot**


how many have actually read what was written rather than just making an assumption??

unless im missing something with all of the fearmonger babble in between the legitimate points, it appears theyre looking for tracability and the ability to enforce responsible ownership.(of which there are varying rules and loopholes state per state)

IMO this isnt a bad thing.. if you own a gun, keep track of it and treat it responsibly.. period..

under HR 45 youll need a liscence(good for 5yrs) to own a firearm.. to get it, take a course and pass a basic "are you an idiot or not" test. (a typical driving liscense will be much more difficult, but nobody cries over that)

currently, my FOID card is good for 10yrs, at a cost of $10 and requires little more than me checking a box.

if a child is injured/killed as a result of an owners irresposibility, they should be held liable.

furthermore, if a gun is used in a crime, the person who last registered the gun, yet did not keep it, nor did they submit any documentation of the transfer to another person or report it having been stolen, will be held responsible for being so irresponsible..

people dont "lose" cars and not say something.. why should anyone get off the hook for "losing" guns and not saying something?


BTW i did not see squat about "machine" guns or "assault" weapons.. nor anything that implied that gun sales in general are being inhibited to legitimate citizens.
show your drivers liscense, check the boxes and give a thumb print...

waahh.. anyone want cheese with their whine?

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by <DRS>GPF
**stirring the pot**


how many have actually read what was written rather than just making an assumption??

unless im missing something with all of the fearmonger babble in between the legitimate points, it appears theyre looking for tracability and the ability to enforce responsible ownership.(of which there are varying rules and loopholes state per state)

IMO this isnt a bad thing.. if you own a gun, keep track of it and treat it responsibly.. period..

under HR 45 youll need a liscence(good for 5yrs) to own a firearm.. to get it, take a course and pass a basic "are you an idiot or not" test. (a typical driving liscense will be much more difficult, but nobody cries over that)

currently, my FOID card is good for 10yrs, at a cost of $10 and requires little more than me checking a box.

if a child is injured/killed as a result of an owners irresposibility, they should be held liable.

furthermore, if a gun is used in a crime, the person who last registered the gun, yet did not keep it, nor did they submit any documentation of the transfer to another person or report it having been stolen, will be held responsible for being so irresponsible..

people dont "lose" cars and not say something.. why should anyone get off the hook for "losing" guns and not saying something?


BTW i did not see squat about "machine" guns or "assault" weapons.. nor anything that implied that gun sales in general are being inhibited to legitimate citizens.
show your drivers liscense, check the boxes and give a thumb print...

waahh.. anyone want cheese with their whine?

I'd like a tissue,:p when you put it that way it just sounds like more steps for me to own a gun.

I know if didn't see anything about assault weapons but everyone knows its comming again.

[<DRS>GPF]

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
I'd like a tissue,:p when you put it that way it just sounds like more steps for me to own a gun.


does it really?
what do you do now? you cant simply hand over cash and walk out.. you surely need to fill out papers, have verification, etc. each time.

honestly, im on the fence for actually having a gun "ID" card..

we have to have one in IL, its cheap but it is "another piece of friggin paper".

though as a positive, it supposed to be something the you can further be incriminated for, if caught without one while in an incident/crime involving/in possession of a gun(particularly ones that dont belong to you).


id rather not pay, but $1 per year isnt going to kill me..

[250x_kyle]

My mom told me if i wanted guns it would probably be a good idea to get them now. problem is i dont have the money to go buy a bunch of guns without selling my 450r.

[mod440ex]

`(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

`(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license–

(a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include–
(1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;
(2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;
(3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;
(4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;
(5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;
(6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;
(7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding–
(A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;
(B) the safe handling of firearms;
(C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;
(D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and
(E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;
(8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;
(9) the date on which the application was submitted; and
(10) the signature of the applicant.

So you have to apply to the new Obama anti gun att general to get permission to keep your gun.
So much for Obama not being anti gun Hu. I don’t see Obama saying he won’t pass this new democrat party bill.

This law is unconstitutional because guns in our homes are not interstate commerce 1 and 2 even if they were it violates your 2nd amendment right to have a gun if you can not pass the permit rules not to mention the huge fees they will charge to prevent you from applying.



look at section 7 part e. now what else do you think that the att general, who is anti gun, might want us to go through to get our guns or the ones we already own. i know it doesnt say anything about assualt weapons, but they are trying and they will reenstate the brady bill. thanks dems:mad:

[honda350r]

Originally posted by 250x_kyle
My mom told me if i wanted guns it would probably be a good idea to get them now. problem is i dont have the money to go buy a bunch of guns without selling my 450r.


You should sell your 450r because guns are much more fun !

[hypersnyper6947]

Originally posted by <DRS>GPF
**stirring the pot**


how many have actually read what was written rather than just making an assumption??

unless im missing something with all of the fearmonger babble in between the legitimate points, it appears theyre looking for tracability and the ability to enforce responsible ownership.(of which there are varying rules and loopholes state per state)

IMO this isnt a bad thing.. if you own a gun, keep track of it and treat it responsibly.. period..

under HR 45 youll need a liscence(good for 5yrs) to own a firearm.. to get it, take a course and pass a basic "are you an idiot or not" test. (a typical driving liscense will be much more difficult, but nobody cries over that)

currently, my FOID card is good for 10yrs, at a cost of $10 and requires little more than me checking a box.

if a child is injured/killed as a result of an owners irresposibility, they should be held liable.

furthermore, if a gun is used in a crime, the person who last registered the gun, yet did not keep it, nor did they submit any documentation of the transfer to another person or report it having been stolen, will be held responsible for being so irresponsible..

people dont "lose" cars and not say something.. why should anyone get off the hook for "losing" guns and not saying something?


BTW i did not see squat about "machine" guns or "assault" weapons.. nor anything that implied that gun sales in general are being inhibited to legitimate citizens.
show your drivers liscense, check the boxes and give a thumb print...

waahh.. anyone want cheese with their whine?

I kinda agree with you on this, when i got my CCW here i florida it was the easiest thing in the world, you should have seen some or the tards in there who know nothing about a firearm about to try and carry one. Same thing when my girl got hers, she said some people in her class had never even held a gun before. I am a HUGE gun enthusiast but i agree some people need to be trained a bit before owning a gun. I dont agree on the 500% tax increase on ammo that is supposed to happen, i also disagree with the high cap mag problem.

If you think high cap mags will be banned you dont have to go buy the gun. If you know of a pistol you want that can hold over 10 rounds just go buy a couple mags for this weapon, then whenever you get the gun you already have the high cap mags reagardless of any ban.

[mod440ex]

If you think high cap mags will be banned you dont have to go buy the gun. If you know of a pistol you want that can hold over 10 rounds just go buy a couple mags for this weapon, then whenever you get the gun you already have the high cap mags reagardless of any ban. [/B][/QUOTE]


just buying up some mags wont always do the trick. take for instance the ak47 they where selling during the clinton years, they would not accept high cap mags. they arent going to just alow them to throw in a 10 round mag on ar,s sks, and ak's just to make them compliant. that might work for some of the pistols, but it will not work for production line pistols after a ban is in place for high cap guns.

[hypersnyper6947]

Originally posted by mod440ex
If you think high cap mags will be banned you dont have to go buy the gun. If you know of a pistol you want that can hold over 10 rounds just go buy a couple mags for this weapon, then whenever you get the gun you already have the high cap mags reagardless of any ban.


just buying up some mags wont always do the trick. take for instance the ak47 they where selling during the clinton years, they would not accept high cap mags. they arent going to just alow them to throw in a 10 round mag on ar,s sks, and ak's just to make them compliant. that might work for some of the pistols, but it will not work for production line pistols after a ban is in place for high cap guns. [/B][/QUOTE]

Didnt know that, thanks.

I still think its worth a shot though, you can always sell the mags if they dont work and prob make a profit.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by <DRS>GPF
does it really?
what do you do now? you cant simply hand over cash and walk out.. you surely need to fill out papers, have verification, etc. each time.

honestly, im on the fence for actually having a gun "ID" card..

we have to have one in IL, its cheap but it is "another piece of friggin paper".

though as a positive, it supposed to be something the you can further be incriminated for, if caught without one while in an incident/crime involving/in possession of a gun(particularly ones that dont belong to you).


id rather not pay, but $1 per year isnt going to kill me..

I'm on the fence with it, though it won't stop crimes it will help solve them.
But just to stir up the pot a little more, a dollar is a dollar. I don't want to have to pay for my rights. But I guess you can fire back and say you have to pay to drive. :p
The papers you fill out (here in PA you fill out papers, they do a background check and then destroy the papers after three days) should be handed in to the police and kept on file. If your weapon was involved in a crime they can search the files and see who owned the firearm.
I wouldn't mind so much seeing it if it was with a pistol (the whole license and whatnot ordeal). Its easier to carry around a pistol in your pocket than a rifle.
IMO them trying to do this won't stop crimes in inner-cities. I do not belive drug dealers and gangs are going to register their firearms.

[trailrider894]

got freind at the local gun store. the store burned about 4months ago opened back up a week before inaguration. i was told they sold around 1000 guns of all types and around 12000 rounds of ammo. in the first week!!

[troybilt]

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
I'm on the fence with it, though it won't stop crimes it will help solve them.
But just to stir up the pot a little more, a dollar is a dollar. I don't want to have to pay for my rights. But I guess you can fire back and say you have to pay to drive. :p
The papers you fill out (here in PA you fill out papers, they do a background check and then destroy the papers after three days) should be handed in to the police and kept on file. If your weapon was involved in a crime they can search the files and see who owned the firearm.
I wouldn't mind so much seeing it if it was with a pistol (the whole license and whatnot ordeal). Its easier to carry around a pistol in your pocket than a rifle.
IMO them trying to do this won't stop crimes in inner-cities. I do not belive drug dealers and gangs are going to register their firearms.


...or illegal aliens. If the idiots in congress keep it up, its better to be here illegally than be a citizen. Free health care and they can bare arms without gov't intervention... re-fn-diculous...

[scuzz]

<------ Does not like Obama and hates his new policies.

http://obamaclock.org/

[biker]

good one Scuzz!!



And Zerologic said it best! WE ARE IN FOR A HELLUVA RIDE FOLKS!:grr:

[buck440]

and to think most the guns and weapons i have arent even registered, when all goes to hell....pm me, bullets are complimentary.

Originally posted by <DRS>GPF
does it really?
what do you do now? you cant simply hand over cash and walk out.. you surely need to fill out papers, have verification, etc. each time.

honestly, im on the fence for actually having a gun "ID" card..

we have to have one in IL, its cheap but it is "another piece of friggin paper".

though as a positive, it supposed to be something the you can further be incriminated for, if caught without one while in an incident/crime involving/in possession of a gun(particularly ones that dont belong to you).


id rather not pay, but $1 per year isnt going to kill me..

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it just makes it more of a pain in the ***** for people who should have guns when some BROTHA or GANGBANGA is gonna steal it and people dont report it, it sounds like it would work but its just not practical
i think there should be a background check when you buy a gun but no waiting period the dam democratics should stop wasting there time trying to get our guns and just mak a system were a gun shop can do "CALL IN BACKGROUND CHECKS"

Originally posted by scuzz
<------ Does not like Obama and hates his new policies.

http://obamaclock.org/

oh, that just gave me hope 1454 or whatever doesnt sound to bad i think i got enough artillery to hold em off

[greenblood01]

Originally posted by mxcowboy
ok no offense
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it just makes it more of a pain in the ***** for people who should have guns when some BROTHA or GANGBANGA is gonna steal it and people dont report it, it sounds like it would work but its just not practical
i think there should be a background check when you buy a gun but no waiting period the dam democratics should stop wasting there time trying to get our guns and just mak a system were a gun shop can do "CALL IN BACKGROUND CHECKS"

"BROTHA or GANGBANGA"

Wow...

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by mxcowboy
ok no offense
BUT I SAY
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it just makes it more of a pain in the ***** for people who should have guns when some BROTHA or GANGBANGA is gonna steal it and people dont report it, it sounds like it would work but its just not practical
i think there should be a background check when you buy a gun but no waiting period the dam democratics should stop wasting there time trying to get our guns and just mak a system were a gun shop can do "CALL IN BACKGROUND CHECKS"

You are a moron.