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bw1969
01-06-2009, 06:08 PM
Who will be riding PRO in the Nationals in 2009? We know the top guys, but what about the fast guys that need a team with factory support and technical support to put them over the top...

Or better yet, who are the top pro-am guys who need a break to go fast in the pro class?

JJs450r
01-06-2009, 06:55 PM
here they are so far

http://www.atvmotocross.com/pages/atv-pro-rider-profiles

LTRracer4
01-06-2009, 07:37 PM
i cant wait to see holmes in the pro class.

JJs450r
01-06-2009, 07:38 PM
ya i think we will see him on the podium a few times

FHKracingZ
01-06-2009, 08:29 PM
mitch reynolds, nick denoble, thomas brown, and clay all moved up.. it will be good to watch this year.

bw1969
01-06-2009, 09:55 PM
who are some of the "rookies" riding for? I'm sure Clay is with Joe Byrd, but what about some of the others?

Any young pro's not with a team?

300extreme#8
01-06-2009, 11:36 PM
Hahaha I wouldn't plan on seeing joe byrd helping holmes out if he starts beating joe.. And if that happens then someone will pick him up...

JJs450r
01-07-2009, 05:49 AM
if he did start beating bryd youw ould think byrd would use it as some kind of publicity but i doubt that

maticus
01-07-2009, 05:58 AM
is denoble still on a honda? his pro-am bike was tight.
t. brown is factory yami ( i think)
mitch reynolds is on the rath polaris
and last i heard clay was flying under the byrdman

ALAMX37
01-07-2009, 05:58 PM
I thought Denoble had tested for KTM after the season, could be wrong.

maticus
01-08-2009, 10:12 AM
oh and the pro profile on that link is like 3 years old it still has travis spader on there.

JJs450r
01-08-2009, 12:29 PM
maybe they dont take off riders just add? i dont think holmes has been race pro for that long haha idk just me

BlaineKaiser450
01-08-2009, 03:57 PM
Baker is doing Quadcross this year

631kfx400
01-08-2009, 06:37 PM
i cant wait to see weinen on the kfx:macho

Warnerade
01-08-2009, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by 631kfx400
i cant wait to see weinen on the kfx:macho im suprised there isnt any pictures up of him on it yet

JJs450r
01-08-2009, 08:36 PM
theres a couple on the home page

01-09-2009, 06:32 AM
according to that list Tait and Spader still ride? John quit. Trent stopped riding. Harold quit. Plante is gone and about 5 other riders are gone?

baker400ex
01-09-2009, 08:51 AM
yeah...wheres natalie...and kendall??

mooseracerX
01-09-2009, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by ALAMX37
I thought Denoble had tested for KTM after the season, could be wrong.
Yeah I saw him on a KTM at Tigerton Wisconsin.

xsr_racing28c
01-09-2009, 11:11 AM
He was riding someones demo.. That doesn't mean anything.....

Also, Natalie is with Warnert/Can Am this year still. Him and C.Miller will be rockin' the factory Can Ams.

Jay

bw1969
01-09-2009, 01:27 PM
Anyone know of any young Pro riders or pro-am guys that want to run the entire season and just need a little support to make it all happen?

I'm looking for a young rider that if fast... and just needs a mechanic and factory support to run Pro next year.

reconmaster
01-09-2009, 04:18 PM
harolds still racing he just signed a deal with ohlins, denobles racing a honda he told me himself, i think trents on a kawi for hetrick i could be one. dunks racing out west for golden west cycle, hunter miller is racing out west with a few natonals on a can am. if jasmines gone its cause he would be racing canadian nationals

slosh13
01-09-2009, 06:09 PM
Trent kandel is going to be on a Honda.

outacontrol
01-10-2009, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by bw1969
Anyone know of any young Pro riders or pro-am guys that want to run the entire season and just need a little support to make it all happen?

I'm looking for a young rider that if fast... and just needs a mechanic and factory support to run Pro next year.

If i was out looking to sponser a fast young rider my first pick would be randy lehr. give him a dependable ride and he'd spank a lot of guys.

maticus
01-10-2009, 10:25 AM
i second that his is wicked fast. and is in need of a solid bike ( not putting down his ride now, you can just tell that its not the very best of everything) but does he have enough points to turn pro cause i thought you needed a certain amount from the pro-am to make the jump up?

national #9
01-10-2009, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by bw1969
Anyone know of any young Pro riders or pro-am guys that want to run the entire season and just need a little support to make it all happen?

I'm looking for a young rider that if fast... and just needs a mechanic and factory support to run Pro next year. 2007 national #12 pro (Alex Trompen) is back from injury, and in 09 will run in pro-am production,on honda's, and could use a good mechanic and traveling partner.

FHKracingZ
01-10-2009, 10:54 AM
alex trompen couldnt win the B class if they all started backwards..

Warnerade
01-10-2009, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by FHKracingZ
alex trompen couldnt win the B class if they all started backwards.. amen, trompen doesnt even belong on the national circuit, he is a danger to everoyne on the track.

elementryder
01-10-2009, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by outacontrol
If i was out looking to sponser a fast young rider my first pick would be randy lehr. give him a dependable ride and he'd spank a lot of guys.

ill second that, he was winning pro-am unlimited and production last year untill he broke his pelvis! crazy fast and consistant rider!

quadracer707
01-10-2009, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by elementryder
ill second that, he was winning pro-am unlimited and production last year untill he broke his pelvis! crazy fast and consistant rider!

Tyler, you or your dad have any pics from bithlo last week,

Ken

Nick110
01-10-2009, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by national #9
2007 national #12 pro (Alex Trompen) is back from injury, and in 09 will run in pro-am production,on honda's, and could use a good mechanic and traveling partner.

haha

elementryder
01-10-2009, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by quadracer707
Tyler, you or your dad have any pics from bithlo last week,

Ken

no im sorry ken, i dont have any pics from amp, id like to try and findsome though

bw1969
01-10-2009, 05:53 PM
anyone know how to get in touch with Randy Lehr?

Pappy
01-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Randys Dad will be in touch with your shortly, or you can pm him directly by their user name quadmom110

Randy is deffinatley a rider who could use the support. If I had the means, he would be my rider of choice!

red rider88
01-14-2009, 08:38 AM
Randy deserves a ride for sure.

ROLLIN
01-15-2009, 08:00 PM
i'll jump on the randy lehr bandwagon. that was my first thought when i read your post "bw1969". his corner speed is crazy fast and he can pass. one of my favorite riders for sure.

maticus
01-27-2009, 07:46 AM
to kinda switch things up does anyone know whats up with greg gee? i seen he wasnt listed on the can-am teams, whats he riding next year?

Moto49X
01-27-2009, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by national #9
2007 national #12 pro (Alex Trompen) is back from injury, and in 09 will run in pro-am production,on honda's, and could use a good mechanic and traveling partner.


bahahahaha, he needs alot more than a good mechanic. Little riding abilities would help alot. About 7 or 8 more years in C class, then see where he is at.

maticus
01-27-2009, 12:28 PM
man ive never heard of this alex trompen guy but he sounds real bad i would feel like crap if the only way people knew my name was as that pro that needs to go back to d class.

elementryder
01-27-2009, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by maticus
to kinda switch things up does anyone know whats up with greg gee? i seen he wasnt listed on the can-am teams, whats he riding next year?

hes on a honda again for 09 is what im hearing

Moto49X
01-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by maticus
man ive never heard of this alex trompen guy but he sounds real bad i would feel like crap if the only way people knew my name was as that pro that needs to go back to d class.

He is like 18, he "attempts" to run Pro. He puts everyone in danger because he is so stupid, gets in the way, and has no idea whats going on. He is usually lapped by everyone by the end of the 2nd lap haha.

He came up to a local race once, they staggared the B class behind us (the A class). Everyone in A class lapped him and everyone in B class passed him too.

maticus
01-29-2009, 02:57 PM
so has this guy ran some pro nationals or is he someone that just tells people he is pro and then gets waxed by B class riders?
i mean cause i much as ive heard that he is terrible ive also seen people talking about how good he is.

maticus
01-29-2009, 03:02 PM
and also i seen that someone said he was national pro #12, but last time i checked that was taken by a mister keith little.

honda250xman
01-29-2009, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by maticus
so has this guy ran some pro nationals or is he someone that just tells people he is pro and then gets waxed by B class riders?
i mean cause i much as ive heard that he is terrible ive also seen people talking about how good he is.

he raced national pro class in 07 and got waxed. but yeah he was a "pro." and national #12 was what he finished in the series, not his actual riding number. he's like number 542 or somethin

JJs450r
01-29-2009, 07:49 PM
ya..542 wasnt this the year most pros ran wpsa, so ranking 12th isnt that great ;)

honda250xman
01-29-2009, 09:47 PM
yeah i think it was haha. so 12th was what? last? haha jk that was kinda mean.

madskrillz2
01-29-2009, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by honda250xman
he raced national pro class in 07 and got waxed. but yeah he was a "pro." and national #12 was what he finished in the series, not his actual riding number. he's like number 542 or somethin

At Lorettas this past season, he was telling everybody KTM was gonna give him a factory ride. I had to walk away because I was laughing so hard.

JJs450r
01-29-2009, 10:42 PM
was outta 40 or so riders, only because he was consistant, i think dustin wimmer ran half the races he ran, and placed 6th haha...ya

Lehr 110
02-17-2009, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by bw1969
anyone know how to get in touch with Randy Lehr?

Just thought I would give the folks that chimmed in for Randy a big THANK YOU for your support for Randy. We don't have lots of money and the big rigs that the other racers come to the races in.
Unfortunately no one has steped up to help us out. We are in Florida trying to get ready for the 09 racing season. Randy has got to ride with a lot of the top pro riders and he is very fast with them. I can't belive that Randy is able to keep up with these riders with his beat up prictice quad. Lots of people comment on how fast he is, but still no support. If we don't get some sort of help we will be headed back home with little hope of running the 09 season. If any one knows of someone that would like to help out please send them our way. This is a tough sport and everyone that races knows what how hard it is to make the right connections. We just need that little support that never seems to come our way. Thanks again for your support.
Randy's dad
Chuck

ThreeDollaBills
02-17-2009, 09:55 AM
Are these races on TV? Where can I watch these races?

maticus
02-17-2009, 10:47 AM
they come on versus on mondays at 400. but they're done now.

madskrillz2
02-17-2009, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Lehr 110
Just thought I would give the folks that chimmed in for Randy a big THANK YOU for your support for Randy. We don't have lots of money and the big rigs that the other racers come to the races in.
Unfortunately no one has steped up to help us out. We are in Florida trying to get ready for the 09 racing season. Randy has got to ride with a lot of the top pro riders and he is very fast with them. I can't belive that Randy is able to keep up with these riders with his beat up prictice quad. Lots of people comment on how fast he is, but still no support. If we don't get some sort of help we will be headed back home with little hope of running the 09 season. If any one knows of someone that would like to help out please send them our way. This is a tough sport and everyone that races knows what how hard it is to make the right connections. We just need that little support that never seems to come our way. Thanks again for your support.
Randy's dad
Chuck

Well I wish him the best of luck! Somebody REALLY needs to pick him up.

outacontrol
02-17-2009, 03:17 PM
i started the lehr thread here, and it still baffles me why he hasnt been picked up. if you gave randy the same equipment and support some of these pro am guys had, he would be untouchable. even as it is, he is winning pro am races.

quadlee
02-17-2009, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by outacontrol
i started the lehr thread here, and it still baffles me why he hasnt been picked up. if you gave randy the same equipment and support some of these pro am guys had, he would be untouchable. even as it is, he is winning pro am races.




I agree, the guy is full of talent, and from what I hear has a big heart as well. I do not know him personaly but I do know he is a great rider that deserves a shot from a good team.

03-01-2009, 06:32 AM
To be honest with you all I do not believe that Mr.Randy Lehr deserves to go anywhere. I think that he is very ignorant and should not be given anything.

outacontrol
03-01-2009, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by yfzmxbill
To be honest with you all I do not believe that Mr.Randy Lehr deserves to go anywhere. I think that he is very ignorant and should not be given anything.

Well it seems funny, that your first post is bashing randy lehr, almost like you signed up to a forum just to bash someone. Just cuz he probably spanked you on a mx track is no reason to hold grudges:p . Everytime i have been around randy at a track he is more than friendly with anyone around..

quadracer707
03-01-2009, 10:25 AM
My kid has talked to him at d6 races & just saw him about three weeks ago i believe at Wald, Fla. Always treats him nice & talk about racing, some people make to much of local guys who are making it or have made it in racing, & are jealous. As you get better & sponsored, you cant hang out or talk to some of the people u used to be able to. Some racers consider these better riders are dirty now too, since they have learned & honed there tricks of the trades. And some racers parents are just plain *****es & give the kids the bad rap. I have to disagree about him being arrogant, I wish him all the help & luck,

Ken

JRP
03-01-2009, 10:52 AM
Randy is a hell of a guy! Ive never met him before, ive seen him at some of the nationals but ive talked to him through AIM, Myspace, and texting and hes a good guy and easy to get along with! He deffinitely deserves a full sponsor, hes fast as hell!

90cc DAD
03-01-2009, 11:44 AM
I don't know where that guy got his info... But Randy is a Great person and I have seen his beat Jason aka DUNK on many tracks!! And he did it with half the machine!!
Randy Lehr is a Pro Rider that just can't seem to catch a break!!
I work at a couple of tracks and help out with District 6 as much as I can... I have seen this guy blow past a couple of Pro Racers with all the money!! Just think what he could do with the right machine?? He already has the talent and skills to win... Now he just needs the support!!
Randy Lehr would be my #1 choice
This kid is going places!!
Do yourself a favor and Hook Him Up!! You will not be dissapointed!!
I have seen how he helps out the kids by watching them race and telling them what they could do to be a little faster. He would help his fellow riders if there was anything he could do!!
And as a crowd pleaser.... He is second to none!!

Go with Randy Lehr #110
He will represent like nobody else!!

Tim (Tyler's Dad 95y)

elementryder
03-01-2009, 01:35 PM
ill tell you guys, Randy is a very good freind of mine and is not ignorant in any way. very freindly, there are so many little kids at the local races and amire him! he treats them like their his brothers! hes extremely fast, and with loads of experince, he has been racing as long as ive been alive! Randy runs with the factory backed bikes and hes on quads that arent even close to the same level!

Nick110
03-02-2009, 07:36 AM
Randy Lehr is the man, his corner speed is insane.

ALAMX37
03-02-2009, 08:29 AM
Ok we get it. The consensus is Randy needs a ride and is a humble and nice guy. We got it. You guys are getting all homo-erotic bc someone don't like the guy. I can't wait to see Gibson go pro. He reminds me of a Bubba Stewart fresh in the 450 class. God that kid is sick.

madskrillz2
03-02-2009, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by JRP
Randy is a hell of a guy! Ive never met him before, ive seen him at some of the nationals but ive talked to him through AIM, Myspace, and texting and hes a good guy and easy to get along with! He deffinitely deserves a full sponsor, hes fast as hell!

Are you secretly his stalker? Lmao sorry I had to.

JRP
03-02-2009, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by madskrillz2
Are you secretly his stalker? Lmao sorry I had to.

hahah nah, i was just talking to him cuz he was comming down to NC and wanted to see if i wanted to ride lol.

madskrillz2
03-02-2009, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by JRP
hahah nah, i was just talking to him cuz he was comming down to NC and wanted to see if i wanted to ride lol.

Ah I gotcha. This is completely off subject, but how do you like those pirellis? I'm in the market for some new tires because I blew some yellow label Razr's in like 3 weeks

quad2xtreme
03-02-2009, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by JRP
hahah nah, i was just talking to him cuz he was comming down to NC and wanted to see if i wanted to ride lol.

ah, so you can ride with Randy but you're too good for your D13 buddies? ;) I just took you off my Budd's Creek track rental list. I will find another guinea pig to hit the jumps 1st. :p

JRP
03-02-2009, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by quad2xtreme
ah, so you can ride with Randy but you're too good for your D13 buddies? ;) I just took you off my Budd's Creek track rental list. I will find another guinea pig to hit the jumps 1st. :p

hahah heck no jon, much rather ride with u, cole, thomas n stanton, seriously lol. You should come ride at VMP next weekend with us! But are you forreal renting budds creek? Thatd be sick! hahaha

Madskillz: Eh the perellis are okay. Can't honestly say they are the best thing ever for all conditions... I went and rode, track was a little muddy, like not ALOT but just a little, all over, and i didn't hook up worth ****. Alot of my buds run the new dunlops, and they said they LOVE em. They are real meaty, ima try em out next time around!

maticus
03-02-2009, 01:11 PM
so we got gibson on the kawi ( pro-am) ?
clay holmes- honda (pro)
thomas brown-yami (pro)
denoble?
lehr?
any one got pics of cale downen's new ride?

younggun95
03-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Denoble is pro class on Honda.

He was at the worcs race on saturday and ran our pro practice

Warnerade
03-02-2009, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by madskrillz2
Ah I gotcha. This is completely off subject, but how do you like those pirellis? I'm in the market for some new tires because I blew some yellow label Razr's in like 3 weeks they work AMAZING in loose conditions, like more of a sandy track IMO...they are my tire of choice at most tracks

quadboy38
03-02-2009, 04:17 PM
i have some friends riding down at waldo right now. pat brown, josh creamer randy lehr and some other fast boys were there today. buddies said that randy lehr looked the fastest out of them all.

madskrillz2
03-02-2009, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
they work AMAZING in loose conditions, like more of a sandy track IMO...they are my tire of choice at most tracks

Hmmm. Well, here, almost everything is hard packed so that might sway me from getting them. Hah, maybe I'll just go bum some tires off of Danny again.

outacontrol
03-03-2009, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by quadboy38
i have some friends riding down at waldo right now. pat brown, josh creamer randy lehr and some other fast boys were there today. buddies said that randy lehr looked the fastest out of them all.

wouldnt be the first time has faster than brown

1_5_1
03-03-2009, 05:57 PM
well i am at waldo right now and josh creamer and pat brown havent been here in atleast two weeks if not more. i dont believe he has the speed to keep up with creamer or brown but if he does then i dont understand why he doesnt go pro? everyone is picking creamer to win or finish in the top 3 at glen helen so that means randy would win a pro championship and get his factory ride he wants?

quad2xtreme
03-03-2009, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by quadboy38
i have some friends riding down at waldo right now. pat brown, josh creamer randy lehr and some other fast boys were there today. buddies said that randy lehr looked the fastest out of them all.

Your buddy was comparing Randy to somebody other than Josh Creamer. So now, how do you even know it was Randy? Pro rider Josh Creamer was in California March 1st and 2nd racing the 2nd WORCS race. Creamer had to start in Row 2 since he didn't race in the 1st event and get any points. He made it to 4th place and then his quad quit on the 3rd lap.

By the way, Weinen raced in the 1st race in Arizona. He had the fastest lap time before his quad quit on the 2nd lap. Kawi better figure out how to keep these quads running or it will be a long season.

Gust and Wimmer were there too but just practiced with the pros on Friday.

quad2xtreme
03-03-2009, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by 1_5_1
everyone is picking creamer to win or finish in the top 3 at glen helen so that means randy would win a pro championship and get his factory ride he wants?

Hopefully "everyone" isn't overlooking the fact that both Creamer and Wienen each bowed out of the WORCS race they entered. Considering there was ~5 weeks between the races, I wonder what the deal is. Hopefully they get them ready for the ATVA series.

madskrillz2
03-03-2009, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by quad2xtreme
Hopefully "everyone" isn't overlooking the fact that both Creamer and Wienen each bowed out of the WORCS race they entered. Considering there was ~5 weeks between the races, I wonder what the deal is. Hopefully they get them ready for the ATVA series.

They will. Think about how many people have motor trouble this time of year at warm up rounds like this. Heck, even the first round. It's not always motors either.

JIM GRACE
03-03-2009, 10:13 PM
is ktm gonna have a pro rider? thats a sweet ride

JJs450r
03-04-2009, 07:34 AM
from his myspace i think there was more on atvriders home page

national #9
03-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by maticus
so has this guy ran some pro nationals or is he someone that just tells people he is pro and then gets waxed by B class riders?
i mean cause i much as ive heard that he is terrible ive also seen people talking about how good he is. The true story on Alex, is he raced in the pro class in 2007, where he finished the series in 12th place over all, he was as high as sixth, in the standings, but got hurt with 5 rounds to go, and only dropped out of the top 10 at the last national at lorettas. He has spent the 08 season comming back from a broken femur and back, and will be back in 09. he was by far not the fastest, or slowest pro on the track, and when all of the pros were there, he was usually mid pack. As far as the KTM talk, the entire Kids on Quads team, had been talking to Kurt Nichole, head of KTM,since their quad came out. even though it didn't come about, what he was saying was true. As far as Alex personally, I know he has been instrumental in helping the michigan youth riders for the last 4-5 years, helping riders like Alex Szymborski, become a numerous time national mini champion. So to the guys that seem to take great pleasure in bashing Alex, the only thing I can figure out is you are jealous, or just plain stupid.

quad2xtreme
03-04-2009, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by madskrillz2
They will. Think about how many people have motor trouble this time of year at warm up rounds like this. Heck, even the first round. It's not always motors either.

Hope so. I hate to see the level of competition drop because of mechanical failures. I can see your point if this were a 1st year quad; however, I think these Kawis should be rock solid by now. For now, I am going to remain a skeptic until I see these 2 guys finish 2 motos each for at least the 1st 3 rounds of the season. Maybe they are still testing and the ones they were racing at WORCS were pushing the edge too much.

Moto49X
03-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by national #9
he was by far not the fastest, or slowest pro on the track,

Yes he was the slowest 'pro' on the track.


Originally posted by national #9
So to the guys that seem to take great pleasure in bashing Alex, the only thing I can figure out is you are jealous, or just plain stupid.

Yes, I bash on Alex because he is not a Pro, or even close to it, but he is very ignorant and thinks is ***** dont stink. Jealous? NO way, i've raced against him multiple times and he was never even close. Not even on the same section of the track. Take it for what it is.

JJs450r
03-04-2009, 02:59 PM
no offense but he placed mid pack one race

the rest were in the back

Warnerade
03-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by national #9
The true story on Alex, is he raced in the pro class in 2007, where he finished the series in 12th place over all, he was as high as sixth, in the standings, but got hurt with 5 rounds to go, and only dropped out of the top 10 at the last national at lorettas. He has spent the 08 season comming back from a broken femur and back, and will be back in 09. he was by far not the fastest, or slowest pro on the track, and when all of the pros were there, he was usually mid pack. As far as the KTM talk, the entire Kids on Quads team, had been talking to Kurt Nichole, head of KTM,since their quad came out. even though it didn't come about, what he was saying was true. As far as Alex personally, I know he has been instrumental in helping the michigan youth riders for the last 4-5 years, helping riders like Alex Szymborski, become a numerous time national mini champion. So to the guys that seem to take great pleasure in bashing Alex, the only thing I can figure out is you are jealous, or just plain stupid. what are you his brother or something? that kids the biggest joke to ever enter the pro class at any sanctioned race ever. I watched him case larocos leap at redbud this year...he pulled off the track because he said he hurt his leg, CASING THE TRIPPLE...are you kidding me? in 07 he raced a local and they dropped a and b class together, he entered A and i entered B, they did staggered starts, i passed and walked away from him like he wasnt even there. Bottom line, hes dangerous to not only himself but everyone else on the track.

heres a picture of him being LAPPED by jones, which happened at every race he entered.
http://b8.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01202/83/86/1202666838_l.jpg

and alex himself doesnt do jack for kids on quads. his dad does.

your right though, i am jealous...i wish i had it as easy as he does.

national #9
03-04-2009, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Moto49X
Yes he was the slowest 'pro' on the track.



Yes, I bash on Alex because he is not a Pro, or even close to it, but he is very ignorant and thinks is ***** dont stink. Jealous? NO way, i've raced against him multiple times and he was never even close. Not even on the same section of the track. Take it for what it is. only a jealous or stupid person would make that kind of remark, what national class do you run, I know it must be the d class for dumb, only someone with that much contempt for a rider in the same sport, would make those remarks, about a rider from 2 years ago, because that was when he was healthy last. Do you think he might have improved since then? we will see.

national #9
03-04-2009, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
what are you his brother or something? that kids the biggest joke to ever enter the pro class at any sanctioned race ever. I watched him case larocos leap at redbud this year...he pulled off the track because he said he hurt his leg, CASING THE TRIPPLE...are you kidding me? in 07 he raced a local and they dropped a and b class together, he entered A and i entered B, they did staggered starts, i passed and walked away from him like he wasnt even there. Bottom line, hes dangerous to not only himself but everyone else on the track.

heres a picture of him being LAPPED by jones, which happened at every race he entered.
http://b8.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01202/83/86/1202666838_l.jpg

and alex himself doesnt do jack for kids on quads. his dad does.

your right though, i am jealous...i wish i had it as easy as he does. wow, you are really going back to bash him, that picture was taken in 2006, when he qualified in both the wpsa quad pro mx and the quad terrain class in the same day. He is the only one to do this, and he was only 17 at the time, so get your facts straight. as for helping with kids, he has helped teach our kids for the last 3 years.

Warnerade
03-04-2009, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by national #9
wow, you are really going back to bash him, that picture was taken in 2006, when he qualified in both the wpsa quad pro mx and the quad terrain class in the same day. He is the only one to do this, and he was only 17 at the time, so get your facts straight. as for helping with kids, he has helped teach our kids for the last 3 years. no you get your fact straight

FHKracingZ
03-04-2009, 04:11 PM
Im not getting into a pissing match but you trying to defend him is pointless. It has been proving over and over he is not only the slowest pro rider but also pro am.

http://www.escoremx.com/2008atvmotocrossresults/laptimes.asp?s=1&c=96&pc=96&e=11&rn=2&rt=M

Here is where he "qualified" in proam prod because everybody in the consi qualified. His fastest lap is 8 seconds slower that the next slower person in the class.
HIS IS 24 SECONDS SLOWER A LAP THAN THOMAS BROWN..

Explain this one?

The best one is when he came to alabama last year with his "kawi support ride" and said he was gonna tromp stomp everybody.. He couldnt stomp the Production C class, and thats the truth.

national #9
03-04-2009, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
no you get your fact straight Look it up, I did, that picture was taken at macon georgia, wpsa practice photos, in 2006. So I know your facts are all made up to hurt this kids reputation. I was also at the Red Bud race you are talking about where Alex raced his practice bike with a blown fuel injector, and just rode around to learn the track for the national a week later, where only jermy lawson lapped him on the last lap. joe byrd also lapped him for a few corners and then his motor blew. We have been watching Alex since he started, and he does not have it easy. He works for what he gets.

Warnerade
03-04-2009, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by national #9
Look it up, I did, that picture was taken at macon georgia, wpsa practice photos, in 2006. So I know your facts are all made up to hurt this kids reputation. I was also at the Red Bud race you are talking about where Alex raced his practice bike with a blown fuel injector, and just rode around to learn the track for the national a week later, where only jermy lawson lapped him on the last lap. joe byrd also lapped him for a few corners and then his motor blew. We have been watching Alex since he started, and he does not have it easy. He works for what he gets. got an excuse for everything huh? lmao

I'm done, no point in trying to prove hes the smartest kid with down syndrome when he does it himself everytime he starts his bike.

madskrillz2
03-04-2009, 04:48 PM
Maybe this guy is mad because he is the only person in the world that is slower than Alex Trompen and he wants to make him sound legit so it doesn't make him look bad.

madskrillz2
03-04-2009, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by quad2xtreme
Hope so. I hate to see the level of competition drop because of mechanical failures. I can see your point if this were a 1st year quad; however, I think these Kawis should be rock solid by now. For now, I am going to remain a skeptic until I see these 2 guys finish 2 motos each for at least the 1st 3 rounds of the season. Maybe they are still testing and the ones they were racing at WORCS were pushing the edge too much.

Yeah I do too. The thing I'm saying though is the first few races, the teams are seeing how far they can push the motors before they fail. Their trying to get every last pony out without killing it. Basically trying to find a happy medium.

national #9
03-04-2009, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
got an excuse for everything huh? lmao

I'm done, no point in trying to prove hes the smartest kid with down syndrome when he does it himself everytime he starts his bike. You know everyone knows now you have somthing against this kid, and it is hard to fight facts with lies, so if you want to bash someone deserving of bashing, look in the mirror.

Warnerade
03-04-2009, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by national #9
You know everyone knows now you have somthing against this kid, and it is hard to fight facts with lies, so if you want to bash someone deserving of bashing, look in the mirror. you mean besides the fact hes a big BSer and acts like a tool? I have nothing against him personally, its the fact that he claims to be a pro, when hes a B rider.

if being blunt about topics makes me "deserving of bashing" then bash away lmao

Still wont change the fact that your the first person I've ever heard of that knows him and has good things to say about him...and I know all the racers in michigan, some of which have been friends with him much longer than you have, and they still say the same thing I told you.

weird

quadboy38
03-04-2009, 08:50 PM
so how bout them dodgers haha

JRP
03-04-2009, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by quadboy38
so how bout them dodgers haha

i was gonna say cowboys but that one works too lmao

madskrillz2
03-05-2009, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by JRP
i was gonna say cowboys but that one works too lmao

Man I hope they get Ray Lewis and get their **** together this year. They have no excuse to not win a superbowl.

Moto49X
03-05-2009, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by national #9
only a jealous or stupid person would make that kind of remark, what national class do you run, I know it must be the d class for dumb, only someone with that much contempt for a rider in the same sport, would make those remarks, about a rider from 2 years ago, because that was when he was healthy last. Do you think he might have improved since then? we will see.

hahaha, I give up. Your a bigger tool than Trompen is. I honestly do not know what to say to you. Me a D rider? I do not want to sound arrogant or cocky, but I am a damn fast rider. Find someone on this site who has seen me ride.

BTW, the D for Dumb class? How clever is that, your so smart.

national #9
03-05-2009, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by Moto49X
hahaha, I give up. Your a bigger tool than Trompen is. I honestly do not know what to say to you. Me a D rider? I do not want to sound arrogant or cocky, but I am a damn fast rider. Find someone on this site who has seen me ride.

BTW, the D for Dumb class? How clever is that, your so smart. Post your 2008 national results, we will see how fast you are.

90cc DAD
03-05-2009, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by madskrillz2
Man I hope they get Ray Lewis and get their **** together this year. They have no excuse to not win a superbowl.


I have a 4 wheeler formally owned by Ray Lewis for sale if you know someone looking for a 500cc Polaris Scrambler.

Moto49X
03-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by national #9
Post your 2008 national results, we will see how fast you are.

Didn't race any, broke my back.

FHKracingZ
03-05-2009, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by national #9
Post your 2008 national results, we will see how fast you are.

Better yet lets see trompens results. I already said he was 24 seconds slower than the pro-am leader on ONE LAP...

Everybody knows he is the laughing stock of nationals, except you...

dig up some local races that he won or something so you can save him some dignity..

Warnerade
03-05-2009, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Dig up some local races that he won or something so you can save him some dignity.. There isnt any :ermm:

FHKracingZ
03-05-2009, 10:32 AM
Well maybe his flux capacitor broke at all the local races... Damn the luck..

Warnerade
03-05-2009, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Well maybe his flux capacitor broke at all the local races... Damn the luck.. you run Pro am right?

FHKracingZ
03-05-2009, 02:15 PM
yea, trying again this year to.

Warnerade
03-05-2009, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by FHKracingZ
yea, trying again this year to. production or unlimited?

Whats your name? I'll be sure to try and find you down in Alabama so we can discuss trompens victory over the field when he takes the overall

FHKracingZ
03-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
production or unlimited?

Whats your name? I'll be sure to try and find you down in Alabama so we can discuss trompens victory over the field when he takes the overall

haha. Zach Harris.. I ran both last year but had bad luck and ran into money issues after a bad crash at illinois. then switched to suzukis in july and started getting ready for this year..

I should be at alabama, last year i went there and was not in shape at all. sunday in pro am prod. I was running 3rd in my heat for the first 3 laps then fell back to 9th and almost passed out after i got off the track.. Missed qualifying by one spot on saturday out of 49 guys in the unlimited class..

I just started riding here in northren illinois, first time in 2months when i got back from staying with the walsh's. so 75% ill be at alabama, but I might just start at kentucky so i can make sure im 100%.. College sux, cant go down south!
:mad:

What classes you racing?

Warnerade
03-05-2009, 04:08 PM
I'm sticking with b class for now. I entered B last year at Ballance and posted the 2nd fastest laptime out of all the B riders, and thats with battling through the pack cuz of a pile up in the holeshot. i would be in A but a weekend of Virginia, I raced a local race because it was my birthday and ended up breaking the scaphoid bone in my left wrist (basically the ball bearing that your wrist rotates on). I have only ridden 3 times since last april, I just got out of my cast 3 weeks ago and have been workin my butt off in the gym. Still too cold to ride...if I go to Alabama and win, I'll be debating if I wanna go for a B class championship or take mmy whips and see how I do in A. Wrist still hurts though, so we'll see.

I train with brandon jones and will be riding with him to the nats probably, if you know who that is.

Ex_Rider43
03-05-2009, 04:32 PM
Take your time with that wrist , a scaphoid is long to get back to 100% , pretty much the worst thing to break there.

Warnerade
03-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Ex_Rider43
Take your time with that wrist , a scaphoid is long to get back to 100% , pretty much the worst thing to break there. trust me i know, my doc says im alright...im goin back the monday before alabama for x rays and such. I think its a non-union heal, which is the last thing in the world i wanted,

madskrillz2
03-05-2009, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
production or unlimited?

Whats your name? I'll be sure to try and find you down in Alabama so we can discuss trompens victory over the field when he takes the overall

Oh snap! You're gonna be at Alabama? Yeah I wanna witness your as I call em "witty comments" in person lmao. I'll probably run B too if I can convince myself I'm in shape.

Warnerade
03-05-2009, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by madskrillz2
Oh snap! You're gonna be at Alabama? Yeah I wanna witness your as I call em "witty comments" in person lmao. I'll probably run B too if I can convince myself I'm in shape. dont be scured

madskrillz2
03-05-2009, 04:55 PM
I'll see what I can do. Right now I'm afraid I'd be like FHK said and be on the verge of passing out when I come off the track. I guess I'm in the same boat as you though. I feel like I can run A but I'm gonna get in B and test the waters to see how long I can go without gassing.

JJs450r
03-05-2009, 05:09 PM
im debating on b and a as well ive been eating to many peanut butter cups and cake so im not sure

1_5_1
03-05-2009, 08:06 PM
ok now back on subject about the 2009 pro and pro am riders

Nick110
03-05-2009, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by 1_5_1
ok now back on subject about the 2009 pro and pro am riders


Anyone know what Brain King has been doing? is Dettling moving to Pro Am? You running both Pro AMs this year Andy?

outacontrol
03-06-2009, 05:39 PM
I happen to be buds with brian king, he is done racing, his quad hasnt been touched since 2007. he does excavating work and bought his own equipment so that is keeping him busy. its a shame because he is crazy fast and admitted he barely practiced.

ALAMX37
03-07-2009, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by national #9
The true story on Alex, is he raced in the pro class in 2007, where he finished the series in 12th place over all, he was as high as sixth, in the standings, but got hurt with 5 rounds to go, and only dropped out of the top 10 at the last national at lorettas. He has spent the 08 season comming back from a broken femur and back, and will be back in 09. he was by far not the fastest, or slowest pro on the track, and when all of the pros were there, he was usually mid pack. As far as the KTM talk, the entire Kids on Quads team, had been talking to Kurt Nichole, head of KTM,since their quad came out. even though it didn't come about, what he was saying was true. As far as Alex personally, I know he has been instrumental in helping the michigan youth riders for the last 4-5 years, helping riders like Alex Szymborski, become a numerous time national mini champion. So to the guys that seem to take great pleasure in bashing Alex, the only thing I can figure out is you are jealous, or just plain stupid.



Are you smoking crack. He raced when everyone but Lawson, Byrd, and Brown were the only real pro's there. And still got his *** handed to him by other people that still can't make the real pro class. Like Chris Tait for example. I said that he wouldn't qualify for a single pro gate to his face that year, talking about when the real pro's show up and guess who was right. He doesn't deserve to put pro anywhere near his name, that is something pretty sacred in the racing community.

national #9
03-07-2009, 02:03 PM
This is exactualy the reason quads are stuck where we are, we out number the dirt bikers, but they will always be ahead of us because of this kind of stupidity. When I first mentioned Alex's name it was in response to some one asking to help out a rider and share expenses, I said quite plainly he was going to be riding pro-am and a few guys that are from his own district that don't, by their admission, like him, and are jealous of him, start sling a bunch of bull. never thinking that they were not just hurting Alex, but his sponsores, and his family, who I know his dad has done more for quad racing in michigan then all of these idiots combined ever will. The reason that I say we will never catch the dirt bikes is they would never spend 4 pages on a public forum bashing one of their own young privateer riders, that is trying to make his dream a reality, they would help him, and leave their petty differences behind. I am done on this subject, because by arguing with fools just brings me down to their level.

FHKracingZ
03-07-2009, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by national #9
This is exactualy the reason quads are stuck where we are, we out number the dirt bikers, but they will always be ahead of us because of this kind of stupidity. When I first mentioned Alex's name it was in response to some one asking to help out a rider and share expenses, I said quite plainly he was going to be riding pro-am and a few guys that are from his own district that don't, by their admission, like him, and are jealous of him, start sling a bunch of bull. never thinking that they were not just hurting Alex, but his sponsores, and his family, who I know his dad has done more for quad racing in michigan then all of these idiots combined ever will. The reason that I say we will never catch the dirt bikes is they would never spend 4 pages on a public forum bashing one of their own young privateer riders, that is trying to make his dream a reality, they would help him, and leave their petty differences behind. I am done on this subject, because by arguing with fools just brings me down to their level.

You ever been over to vitalmx.com a dirt bike forum? It is a mayday over there as far as arguing over racers go..

tdd6405
03-07-2009, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Nick110
Anyone know what Brain King has been doing? is Dettling moving to Pro Am? You running both Pro AMs this year Andy?

hey man.. I'm running pro am unlimited and A this year. I think andy said he's doin both pro ams. You???

Nick110
03-09-2009, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by tdd6405
hey man.. I'm running pro am unlimited and A this year. I think andy said he's doin both pro ams. You???

Im running A, just not sure what ones.

oj250r
03-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
im suprised there isnt any pictures up of him on it yet

i was with chad this past week before he went to glen helen he is effen haulin on that kawi.. i think rides it better than his duki..jus my opinion..

Warnerade
03-23-2009, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by national #9
This is exactualy the reason quads are stuck where we are, we out number the dirt bikers, but they will always be ahead of us because of this kind of stupidity. When I first mentioned Alex's name it was in response to some one asking to help out a rider and share expenses, I said quite plainly he was going to be riding pro-am and a few guys that are from his own district that don't, by their admission, like him, and are jealous of him, start sling a bunch of bull. never thinking that they were not just hurting Alex, but his sponsores, and his family, who I know his dad has done more for quad racing in michigan then all of these idiots combined ever will. The reason that I say we will never catch the dirt bikes is they would never spend 4 pages on a public forum bashing one of their own young privateer riders, that is trying to make his dream a reality, they would help him, and leave their petty differences behind. I am done on this subject, because by arguing with fools just brings me down to their level. just curious, but why exactly did your son (alex trompen) scream son of a ***** as he finished his LCQ for pro am production?

Warnerade
03-23-2009, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by oj250r
i was with chad this past week before he went to glen helen he is effen haulin on that kawi.. i think rides it better than his duki..jus my opinion.. his kawi sure didnt ride better than his zuki this weekend, thats for sure!

he was running good till the damn thing blew up, twice lol

national #9
03-24-2009, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Warnerade
just curious, but why exactly did your son (alex trompen) scream son of a ***** as he finished his LCQ for pro am production? wow, again you are misinformed with your information, first, my children are way younger then Alex, and I am not his dad, just a friend. second he was probably upset with getting taken out in the first corner, and stuck on the fence, which is so aptly shown on this websites photos of the pro-am lcq. third what is your obsession with bashing this kid, we already have shown you are jelouse of him through your previous comments, what did he do steal your girl friend? again I am done wasting my time with a fool

Warnerade
03-24-2009, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Lehr 110
oh and his racing number is 9 now so im assuming your defending yourself I'm pretty sure thats his dad, this weekend alex ran #9 and i think its because his dad used to be #9 (quoted right from alex).....so it makes sense

stuff like this just brightens my day haha

national #9
03-24-2009, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Warnerade
I'm pretty sure thats his dad, this weekend alex ran #9 and i think its because his dad used to be #9 (quoted right from alex).....so it makes sense

stuff like this just brightens my day haha Alex's dad is way to busy to spend his time working on promoting quad racing for everyone and developing new products for the kids, to spend his time talking to idiots, like Shawn warner from holland ohio, # 27 suzuki, that couldn't even qualify in either of the b classes he tried to ride in alabama, it seems like everytime you hit the track you were in the back of the class, maybe it is you that should be back in the c class, you don't look like you are ready for the b class yet. Shawn, since you have taken it on your self, to bash a very close family friend, I am taking it upon myself to post all of your results, and start a Shawn warner bashing forum.

JRP
03-24-2009, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by national #9
Alex's dad is way to busy to spend his time working on promoting quad racing for everyone and developing new products for the kids, to spend his time talking to idiots, like Shawn warner from holland ohio, # 27 suzuki, that couldn't even qualify in either of the b classes he tried to ride in alabama, it seems like everytime you hit the track you were in the back of the class, maybe it is you that should be back in the c class, you don't look like you are ready for the b class yet. Shawn, since you have taken it on your self, to bash a very close family friend, I am taking it upon myself to post all of your results, and start a Shawn warner bashing forum.

hahahahahaha he must really be getting to you if you start to go and find his results.... How about this..... That was shawns 3rd ride in a year, 1st race in a year! His wrist is still broken, and he's on his practice quad. Shawns a good friend. I have nothing against alex, don't know him, but if lehr say's hes a danger on the track then he is. You should really find everything out about the person before you start to bash him aka try to make him feel bad lol. Believe me, nothing will stop shawn, he wins all conversations and will make you feel like an idiot if you don't stop. lol.

JRP
03-24-2009, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by JRP
hahahahahaha he must really be getting to you if you start to go and find his results.... How about this..... That was shawns 3rd ride in a year, 1st race in a year! His wrist is still broken, and he's on his practice quad. Shawns a good friend. I have nothing against alex, don't know him, but if lehr say's hes a danger on the track then he is. You should really find everything out about the person before you start to bash him aka try to make him feel bad lol. Believe me, nothing will stop shawn, he wins all conversations and will make you feel like an idiot if you don't stop. lol.

Oh and.... hes on a pretty much stock quad(waitin for race bike) and his jump off th egate was good but everyone owuld pull him off the start, cuz everyone has tons of money into their motors... but... if you look at the lap times, all of his laps were ****ty, but he did pull a 1:43 which is good enough for top4 in production B... And that wasn't even a clear lap too. yes you have to learn how to pass, but once ur in the back, its hard, and to still manage half decent laps, id say he did okay. Oh and did i mention, 3rd time riding in a year off a broken wrist?

Warnerade
03-24-2009, 09:22 PM
I also never claimed to be pro

national #9
03-24-2009, 09:29 PM
I have just said exactally the same thing about shawn, that he has said about alex, from what I see he is a bitter punk with no skill who has singled out alex for personal reasons, and can't back it up with anything except excuses. I will leave him alone when he stops his campain against Alex. but I will be in kentucky to take his photo, and his results for my why he sucks postings. He made it personal when he went after one of my friends.

JRP
03-24-2009, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by national #9
I have just said exactally the same thing about shawn, that he has said about alex, from what I see he is a bitter punk with no skill who has singled out alex for personal reasons, and can't back it up with anything except excuses. I will leave him alone when he stops his campain against Alex. but I will be in kentucky to take his photo, and his results for my why he sucks postings. He made it personal when he went after one of my friends.

Shawn wants me to post this since hes at work... "So out of everyone that singled Alex out, why did you single me out? Hypocrit." lmfao

Warnerade
03-24-2009, 09:57 PM
Be sure to warn me before you take the picture so I can throw up the shocker so there's no confusion about who it is

Originally posted by national #9
I have just said exactally the same thing about shawn, that he has said about alex, from what I see he is a bitter punk with no skill who has singled out alex for personal reasons, and can't back it up with anything except excuses. I will leave him alone when he stops his campain against Alex. but I will be in kentucky to take his photo, and his results for my why he sucks postings. He made it personal when he went after one of my friends.

BlasterEaten250
03-24-2009, 10:04 PM
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madskrillz2
03-24-2009, 10:13 PM
This guy is a straight up Jerry. We're sorry you're the only one that is delusional enough to think that Alex Trompen has talent.

Fred55
03-24-2009, 10:33 PM
This is too good, is this the guy that sells the junk KOQ a arms too?

spanky101
03-24-2009, 11:00 PM
This is getting to be pretty entertaining actually. It doesnt seem like anyone is taking this thread serious except for national #9...

But if your bashing Shawn, did Alex race and what were his results like? Just being curious and fair :rolleyes:

quadracer707
03-25-2009, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by BlasterEaten250
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Now thats funny grab me some & a Beer

JJs450r
03-27-2009, 06:16 PM
haha i seen that what was he second to last? hey man good job on the podium look forward to watching you ride this year

JJs450r
03-27-2009, 06:23 PM
alteast you held on long enough to fight em off im about to fall of the quad second lap in o ya nice name on my space

Warnerade
03-27-2009, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Lehr 110
well i wont mention any names but if shawn needs to go to c class then some other person who attmepted to qualify for pro am production should be in there as well better yet...I'm pretty sure I'm bumping to A for ballance haha

Warnerade
03-27-2009, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Lehr 110
thats what id do...and i get all pink gear and pink plastic:p im being serious though...:(

I actually considered getting purple gear, until I saw that he had some so I opted for orange haha

FHKracingZ
03-27-2009, 07:56 PM
just ride naked shawn, then we can easily spot ya out.. but watch out for trompen, he might like ya a little to much :p

elementryder
03-27-2009, 10:29 PM
well im an acctual national B-class and 16-24 rider. justin farmer #17 tried to qualify for pro-am production and below is the qualifing sheet, notice trompen in last, over 3 seconds behind justin farmer. justin farmer happend to race college boy class also and i beat him, and trompen is over 3 seconds slower than him


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450ice
03-28-2009, 07:44 AM
anybody here anything about jesse sheafer making a comeback? I heard he was some frm people at Dellville the other day,