09 Ds450 Efi Mx Pics

[TNT]

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Which pink wire gets cut to get to the race mode?

[casmund]

Hi Just a guess here but since it is the mx model meant for motocross racing maybe it uses the race profile in the EFI out of the box already.

[WesDS450X]

u take off the front plastic, its under a blue peice of tape

[BTwrestle04]

Did you happen to snap any pics of the XC? I see it sitting next to the yellow DS in the pics.

[joeyds450x]

how much lower does it sit than the ds450x or the standard ds450?

[ds450racer]

i saw one at the weekend. It sits a fair bit lower than the stock bike. and the shocks seem really good. But of course, you cant tell about the shocks till you set them up and ride it.

[joeyds450x]

Originally posted by ds450racer
i saw one at the weekend. It sits a fair bit lower than the stock bike. and the shocks seem really good. But of course, you cant tell about the shocks till you set them up and ride it. im sure wit the 18rear and the 20front that makes a difference im gonna get 18s and 19s in the front...then im probably gonna go with the lonestar dc-4 a arms but im onna keep the factory shocks so it sits even lower for ice racing this winter then just to get a little more wider im gonna put on front wheel spacers.... sould look pretty sweet :D

[TNT]

I'll take some XC pics, measure the heights you asked about, and look for the pink wire next week. :)

[yfzrider310]

Thats pretty sweet can-am put a remote resivior on the rear shock. Did they have that in the 08 model. After seeing this I want it for my next quad:D

[younggun95]

fox is working on a remote resevoir rear

[Diesel101]

no snaps of the DS450XC???

What were the price tags like?

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by hondarider11
biggest piece of junk I have ever seen in my life.

whys that?

[k4f5x0r]

cause he rides a honda :p

[Wired]

Originally posted by hondarider11
Sorry if I have offended anyone but I think can an needs to resolve their problems before releasing more models.

what problem's you talking about exactly?

[ProspectorJim]

when did Natalie say he hated his can-am?
Here's a list of problems that I had with my can-am:
1. there was a veeeeeery small coolant leak around a seal near the engine(a few drops came out when the engine was cold) that stopped after 2nd day of break in.
2.a lack in bottom end torque which is easily resolved.
3. A clutch squeal that is annoying.
4. I didn't have this , but some(the very early models) had a problem with the rear master cylinder.

not bad considering it was a first year machine.

[Wired]

lot of rumors going around. oh well always good for a laugh

the fix for the rear brakes is to cut a small slit in the rubber bladder just under the cap.

bottom end lacking??? sure with stock pipe, but every quad out there lacks bottom end with stock pipes. none of my yamaha's had this much torque with even a slip-on on the DS

clutch squeal, well yeah its annoying but doesn't affect performance

we've only had one problem with derek's frame but that was a 100ft get off and landed on the right front tire. i used to go through 4 yfz frames a year minimum. all of my DS's are still perfect

i for one love these things and everyone i know that rides them loves them. but this is all coming from a guy that cant stand riding a trx hahah

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by Wired
lot of rumors going around. oh well always good for a laugh

the fix for the rear brakes is to cut a small slit in the rubber bladder just under the cap.

bottom end lacking??? sure with stock pipe, but every quad out there lacks bottom end with stock pipes. none of my yamaha's had this much torque with even a slip-on on the DS

clutch squeal, well yeah its annoying but doesn't affect performance

we've only had one problem with derek's frame but that was a 100ft get off and landed on the right front tire. i used to go through 4 yfz frames a year minimum. all of my DS's are still perfect

i for one love these things and everyone i know that rides them loves them. but this is all coming from a guy that cant stand riding a trx hahah

I love mine as well. The reason I thought it lacked some low end torque was probably due to me switching from a raptor660(which was all torque)to the DS.

[BamBam730]

Originally posted by k4f5x0r
cause he rides a honda :p

k4f5x0r where on Long island do you ride? Dont mean to hi-jack thread.

[Mr. Big Time]

you know if you put a 13 front sprocket on, and leave the rear as a stock sprocket, you will have waaayyyy more bottom end, and if you need that bottom end but a little more top end than what you might have lost, you go 13 front 40 rear.

[TNT]

Sorry Guy's I forgot my card in the printer to get XC PICS but will tomorrow and post them in couple days.

Heights at the front nurfs:

Base: 11"
MX: 10"
XC" 9"

I counted 13 on front sproket and 38 in rear.

I didn t hear any clutch chatter on the 09. Talked to motorworks and they think 09 debuged it and will probably only offer a pipe and the FMI which looked cool. Anyone tried this set up with 8 fuel delivery options you can do at the track no PC. Looks sweet!

Also talked to Rossier Engineering today he's not a big fan. He said stock it will get 38-40 HP most he got was 52 compared to YAM 56 Hon and Suk 58-60 (don't need that unless a pro trying to get the hole shot).

Soon as my collar bone heals my dealer will let me test ride the stock one above so I'll see if a pipe which may add 3-5 Hp maybe I'm thinking will get me to my YAM at least 52-55 HP. I'm wondering how much money I got to dump into this motor to get 52-55 hp? Port, CAMs, high compression piston, etc? It hasn't changed since 08. Never rode can am don't know?

Yeah lots of different stories out there best thing is when I get to ride one and see.

XC PICS SOON, Later!

[joeyds450x]

Originally posted by hondarider11
No not becuase I ride a honda. I never said my honda was the best thing out there but look how cheesy that thing looks. I can not believe anyone would ever want one of those things after the countless problems people have with them. Look how much the pros love theirs. Natalie hates his can am and I am not just talking about the pros they all have the same problems. You are much better off with any other production 450. Hell I would even take one of those stupid gas gas things over a can am. I am not a pro at riding or working on them but with the wide market of 450's out there you would have to be nuts to want something that is such a big regret to everone I know who has them. Sorry if I have offended anyone but I think can an needs to resolve their problems before releasing more models. i think hondarider should stay off this thread..it sounds like to me he dosnt know whut hes tlkin about and i dnt regret buying my ds and from all the other people on this thread it sounds like they dnt either...it dosnt look cheesy at all..in my opinion it looks alot better than the way outdated honda 450

[younggun95]

Originally posted by TNT1

Also talked to Rossier Engineering today he's not a big fan. He said stock it will get 38-40 HP most he got was 52 compared to YAM 56 Hon and Suk 58-60 (don't need that unless a pro trying to get the hole shot).



Hmm, I cant give exact numbers but DASA has gotten more power than that out of their motors. In the 60s.

[Mr. Big Time]

Yeah no kidding... DASA has gotten alot of power out of theres. I'm tired of people coming on here and saying crap they have no idea what there talking about. Hondarider and all you other crap talkers who dont know what there talking about, cause they've never rode one, or worked on one...you guys need to just stay off this forum!

[casmund]

Yep great bikes The Can Am ds 450's and the KTM 450 sx's

are the top 2 bikes on my list they give good bang for the buck.

Japan has good bikes but the amount of money you have to sink into them to get them "race ready" and parts that end up on a shelf is undesirable , hopefully they will take the hint and follow in the footsteps of these 2 companies by leaning towards more race ready features because we all know that the same parts coming factory cost less because they buy stuff in bulk and we can't. its like with mountain bikes company built may cost 2000 and same bike made from parts by consumer is about 3000-3500.

[ds450racer]

Originally posted by hondarider11
No not becuase I ride a honda. I never said my honda was the best thing out there but look how cheesy that thing looks. I can not believe anyone would ever want one of those things after the countless problems people have with them. Look how much the pros love theirs. Natalie hates his can am and I am not just talking about the pros they all have the same problems. You are much better off with any other production 450. Hell I would even take one of those stupid gas gas things over a can am. I am not a pro at riding or working on them but with the wide market of 450's out there you would have to be nuts to want something that is such a big regret to everone I know who has them. Sorry if I have offended anyone but I think can an needs to resolve their problems before releasing more models.
Ok first of all, i dont think they look cheesy and neither does a lot of people on here. But your opionion is your opionion i guess. Where have you heard natalie hates his can-an? In the last quad magazine or dirt wheels (i cant remember which). They had an interview with natalie. He said he likes the can am much better than his honda and will be signing with them next year. And for the problems. Its the first year this bike has been out. And the problems weve been having with them are very minor. Honda have been out for years now and they are still blowing gearboxes. Everything that has gone wrong this year has been cured. So hopefully next year should be a good year for can-am.

[ds450racer]

i expect you would be dissapoimted with anything if it broke down on you. But if he is saying its bad coz of the break downs , he should've known better than going on a bike for the first year its out.

[ds450racer]

The only main problems the can-ams are having this year are the clutches and false neutral. The clutches have been fixed on the 09's and so has false neutral

[DGS]

I think hondarider11 needs to think a bit harder into what he is saying... Can Am have made upgrades to the parts that gave problems in 08..mainly clutch issues. If you're not too sure about what you're saying, rather dont say anything at all. Stick to facts instead of what you heard from someone else...don't bash other manufacturers rather give constructive critisism.... Everyone likes different power characteristics so the manufacturers leave that up the customers to modify...

[WesDS450X]

i got the false N, Dealer said they dont kno how to fix it lol so its pretty easy to get use to, pop it into gear (u think) let out the clutch then right when it should engage the N light will pop up then pop her in gear and ur good, Only problem i have usly goin from N to 1, but i love my ds450x, and i LOVE spanking MODDED HONDA 450R's or any other 450 at the dunes!!! RAWR ***** WATCH THE OUT FOR MY MY CAN MOTHER****ING AM!!! LAWL

[Wired]

the false neutral issue has been fixed with a new shifting fork and the front a-arm mount has been fixed with a gusset plate on the MX version due to the wider stance.

[Mr. Big Time]

Originally posted by hondarider11
Well oviously you base things off of magazines. Natalie is getting paid by can am to promote them publicly. Do you honestly think can am would like it if natalie said in a magazine interview that it is the biggest piece of junk ever? No. Races that I have been to when natalie broke down one time it was such a let down that he actually walked away from it and threw his stuff down. Talk to natalie in person and see how he feels.

That is a good point. Natalie can't say anything bad about it in interviews. But I too heard about him walking away from his quad at Glen Helen. As for signing again for 2009, one word, MONEY. Natalie and any other guy signs on with companys for the money.

But I love my DS, as far as I know, Team Motoworks including Fredericks, loves there can-ams, and I talk to them guys personally all the time.

[WarBirdMech]

Originally posted by Wired
the false neutral issue has been fixed with a new shifting fork and the front a-arm mount has been fixed with a gusset plate on the MX version due to the wider stance. new shifting fork and drum. the 08's originally were going to have reverse an the drums they used were setup for that.

[TNT]

First of let me say I am no way bashing Can-am' s just trying to get the low down by talking to people and on this forum which is a good one. No bike is perfect and we will find good and bad being said about them all. That's the beauty of forums we find out the bad stuff, see if it has been debugged, or figure how we can deal with it.

I had a good conversation with Toney at DASA yesterday. He said they got 64HP out of the 08 DS. Big difference than Rossier at 52. He said any of these quads are going to need 3-4,000 in motor work to get 55+ HP. He did say too that KTM stock is getting around 52 but the motors are blowing up! He felt Honda is the best bang for the buck since it's more reliable and the parts cheaper and so did Rossier. He said DS parts are expensive but like Natalie if your getting parts at cost or free it may not matter. What I am going to do is take some Honda and Can-am OEM parts and see what the price difference is. I am struggling to find companies making parts for the DS and I would think if they were not reliable the after market would be huge! Motorworks told be they may not offer a clutch basket since the issue is solved. Houser said they will offer little for the Can am since Honda are 50%, YAMs 25%, and the rest make up the market according to their studies. I am sure the second year will be much better for Can am as more get in the market part cost will drop and bugs will be resolved…. . A lot of this is going to be determined by rider preference and ergonomics'.

DASA recommends a FMF or Yosh exhaust, Web Cam's, Cp piston 14.2, Epoxy port, Aluminum intake, DASA filter, DASA valve job….about 4K unless sponsored. I'll find out if the stock shocks are any good when I'm healed and give her a run. So far I like the way it felt when I sit on it. If I need shocks there is just no getting away from $15K for A+ racer.

I got some more cool photos of the MX, XC DS I'll put on a different post later today…..

[WesDS450X]

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WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE!!

[TNT]

3 IN A ROW SHOT XC IS IN REAR YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE. THAT IS 08 BASE MODEL IN YELLOW.

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[DGS]

Thanks for the info TNT1... let us know how the shocks are for you. I have ridden the 09 already and forund the suspension very good for stock. I reckon with some valving work it would be great.:macho

The 1 i rode had silver arms, i see on the pics you posted they are black..looks better in black...

[lynxmann]

The Kyb shocks used on the DS is actually very good shocks but as always no shock is better than the shim stack in it.

Test it and if it does not fit you go to someone that knows shocks and get them revalved and maybe some different springs if needed.

Im quite new to quads but have been riding and even racing snowmobiles for a long time and i have not yet found any shocks that works better than Kyb shocks when set up properly.

Good luck with the new quad witch ever you decide on getting.

[Punk'd]

Hondarider is a fool.

My Can Am has had no issues except the back break pads wearing fast. Doesn't break down or over heat.

The ride says it all

[TNT]

Here’s a few more up close action photo’s

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk191/Terrylport/can-am10.jpg
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[LT-R450 131]

nice so how did the shocks hold up? and i love the look of the ds with the fronts cut you should do it

[casmund]

Awesome looking bike , nice looking track as well =)

looks like it performs great.

can't wait to see what customizations you make.

[TNT]

Originally posted by LT-R450 131
nice so how did the shocks hold up? and i love the look of the ds with the fronts cut you should do it


Shocks held up great! Me and my dad spent alot of time getting them dialed in. Our local dealer let us test ride. Next week we sit down and work out the details then I may be riding for them. Here is the write up we did to show our appreciation. It's an awesome quad, no doubt!

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[D-7#61-450r]

I rode an 09 Ds450 lat weekend and one of the things I did notice was the clutch Squeel. I didn't know at first it was an 09 untill after I rode it. Someone told me that the 08 was terrible on low rpm and I would have to keep it up in the rpm's, but not really on the 09 I rode. Must be one thing improved. I did stall it out several times though when it should not have stalled. I had figured that the clutch was worn being it had a year of test rides on it, but when I found out it was and 09 and only a few hours had been put on it I thought why is making a squeeling noise. Also the front end was very loose like it had a race season on it already.
Overall I thought it was a good handling quad (despite loose front end). It had good power, and the ride was much softer than how tight the front end feels sitting still. I did not have a lenghtly test ride do to limit rdie time from rep.
Also I you go on a Can Am demo day the Truck driver/ Can Am rep is a really poor representative for the company. Don't think about a tire leaving the ground or riding fast, because you will get kicked off. I guess he thinks the tires are supposed to be glued to the ground. Based on Him I would not buy a Can Am.

[WesDS450X]

my ds has no problem in the bottem end, i put around the parking lot in fifth lol

[ds450racer]

Originally posted by D-7#61-450r
I rode an 09 Ds450 lat weekend and one of the things I did notice was the clutch Squeel. I didn't know at first it was an 09 untill after I rode it. Someone told me that the 08 was terrible on low rpm and I would have to keep it up in the rpm's, but not really on the 09 I rode. Must be one thing improved. I did stall it out several times though when it should not have stalled. I had figured that the clutch was worn being it had a year of test rides on it, but when I found out it was and 09 and only a few hours had been put on it I thought why is making a squeeling noise. Also the front end was very loose like it had a race season on it already.
Overall I thought it was a good handling quad (despite loose front end). It had good power, and the ride was much softer than how tight the front end feels sitting still. I did not have a lenghtly test ride do to limit rdie time from rep.
Also I you go on a Can Am demo day the Truck driver/ Can Am rep is a really poor representative for the company. Don't think about a tire leaving the ground or riding fast, because you will get kicked off. I guess he thinks the tires are supposed to be glued to the ground. Based on Him I would not buy a Can Am.
apart from the clutch and selector i didnt think they had changed anything in the motor for 09. I think if you ride it like a 2 stroke and rev it a lot more then it has got a fair amount of bottom end.

[TNT]

Originally posted by D-7#61-450r
I rode an 09 Ds450 lat weekend and one of the things I did notice was the clutch Squeel. I didn't know at first it was an 09 untill after I rode it. Someone told me that the 08 was terrible on low rpm and I would have to keep it up in the rpm's, but not really on the 09 I rode. Must be one thing improved. I did stall it out several times though when it should not have stalled. I had figured that the clutch was worn being it had a year of test rides on it, but when I found out it was and 09 and only a few hours had been put on it I thought why is making a squeeling noise. Also the front end was very loose like it had a race season on it already.
Overall I thought it was a good handling quad (despite loose front end). It had good power, and the ride was much softer than how tight the front end feels sitting still. I did not have a lenghtly test ride do to limit rdie time from rep.
Also I you go on a Can Am demo day the Truck driver/ Can Am rep is a really poor representative for the company. Don't think about a tire leaving the ground or riding fast, because you will get kicked off. I guess he thinks the tires are supposed to be glued to the ground. Based on Him I would not buy a Can Am.

This stock quad has good power everywhere. We ran a few hole shots out of the gate and it pulled better than my YAM YFZ450 with a bunch of motor work. The EFI made the power smooth. The 13-38 gearing worked well with the tranny and it really took off in 3rd, great for hole shots. There are alot of ways to move the torque around on any motor and improve handling IF you got the know how. :p Usable torque to the ground is what matters and that depends in part on the rider. I didn't stall the quad once and I ran it really hard.

I didn't hear any clutch chatter, that was due to oil not getting to the upper plates which is resolved in 09. For more info look at the thread "09 clutch". You'll also find 08 to 09 engine mod's there.

The front end and over all handling was great and I think if we had more time to test it we could have dialed in the caster, camber, toe, ride height, wheel base, shocks even better.

[D-7#61-450r]

This stock quad has good power everywhere. We ran a few hole shots out of the gate and it pulled better than my YAM YFZ450 with a bunch of motor work. The EFI made the power smooth. The 13-38 gearing worked well with the tranny and it really took off in 3rd, great for hole shots. There are alot of ways to move the torque around on any motor and improve handling IF you got the know how. Usable torque to the ground is what matters and that depends in part on the rider. I didn't stall the quad once and I ran it really hard.
Say what you will about the clutch, I heard the same noise others spoke of that the 08 has. I by no means am trying to bash this quad, their are things that I did like about it. As far as keeping it the rpm's up that was not an option because it was a guided tour, which definatley helped in stalling concern. Alot of stop and go without hard excelleration. I could not ride the quad hard as a race bike needs run. We were told that the engine was remapped on the 09 which allowed you to ride it more like a 4 stroke than a 2. Not really sure on how true that is but it rode better than I was told it would.