what cam do you guys like [Archive]

esr250r86

11-13-2008, 09:13 PM

Ran the hrc cam, it was alright. Then tryed the Stage 2 Hotcam, Ive been using them ever since. Affordable and seem to work really well ;)

SMS

11-13-2008, 09:23 PM

Thanks keep on with the feed back please

bluebaron

11-13-2008, 09:58 PM

I put in a HRC cam a few months ago, it was a great improvement over stock. The only thing is that I would like the power to be a little higher up for motocross.

rt20ps

11-14-2008, 06:56 AM

I was stuck between the stage 1 and stage 2 hotcams. I liked the stage 2 better for MX but it was lacking some low end power. I have been using alot of the stage 1 cams for these short Ohio MX tracks. More explosive holeshot and out-of-a turn power.

MXQUAD294

11-14-2008, 11:18 AM

TC Racing

mjc597

11-14-2008, 12:13 PM

i have a stage 2 hotcam in my 04 450r, love it.. good price and dependable..i mainly race motocross and it seems to be what everyone else i talk to is running

bama06300ex

11-14-2008, 12:36 PM

What is the general consensus on what to use for low/mid range power? I dont want my motor to have to be pegged out to feel the cam. I've heard a lot about the stage 1 hotcam, and the crf cam. I want, in rt20ps's words, "out-of-a-turn" power. I wanna be able to come thru a turn in 2nd, roll in the gas, and pull the front end up. Also, how much of a power difference in a 12.8:1 and a 13:1 piston? I'm not racing anyone except for friends, so I wanna keep it reliable, but who doesnt want more power??

SMS

11-14-2008, 12:40 PM

can't help with the cam but the comp I can and it is not enough to notice difference or worth spending money.

bama06300ex

11-14-2008, 01:32 PM

thats what I figured..thanks man.

IOWAracer

11-19-2008, 08:39 AM

stage 2 hotcam matched up with a 13.5:1 piston is unbeatable!

ss440ex

11-19-2008, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by IOWAracer
stage 2 hotcam matched up with a 13.5:1 piston is unbeatable!

What he said! ^^^^^^^^^^
Add cyl head porting and let er Rip!

roundsy

11-20-2008, 01:33 PM

yeah i definitely would agree with the suggestions for the HC Stg. 2, great cam!

JJs450r

11-20-2008, 02:54 PM

i liked the crowler in my yamaha but dont know if they make em for a 450r, but i like sparks/02crf

Chino886

11-20-2008, 04:09 PM

SMS, tell me what kind of riding you want to build the motor for and I will list a couple of cams for you. It also has some to do with personal preference........what someone else likes may have little to no personality to me.

SMS

11-20-2008, 05:14 PM

mx riding holeshot power to pull awayhard

Dave400ex

11-20-2008, 06:01 PM

Maybe Web 208 then?

Chino886

11-21-2008, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by SMS
mx riding holeshot power to pull awayhard

I would go with a Web cam for MX riding applications. Web cams seem to come on early and stays on the best.

I would say a 943/921 grind or a 493/729 (I think) would suit your application. If you want to go for a more aggressive cam, then the Mysto or the 208 (billet) will be what you want.

If you don't like web cams, you can also check out some Johnson cams.

If you want bang for the buck:
1. take a stage II and retard a bit to get bottom, or
2. take a stage I and advance it a bit to get top end.

I hope that helps.

IOWAracer

11-22-2008, 05:21 PM

Hey Chino have you heard anyone running the Mysto for an XC application at all?

Chino886

11-23-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by IOWAracer
Hey Chino have you heard anyone running the Mysto for an XC application at all?

have no input on that......I would guess not since you need to ron shortened guides and HD springs.

CRE Performance

11-24-2008, 10:17 PM

I just did a mulitple cam swap and try out over 3 days time in my 07. I had an 02 and an 05 CRF cam. I was told that the 02 would run better all around, I feel they were wrong. When I put in the 05 cam, the bike made just as much power on the top as the 02 did, but it had a heck of a lot more on bottom and mid. Dont know about the HC2 in an 06 up, but it did well in my 05. I can tell you this though.....my 07 with the 05 CRF cam, open airbox, 170 main jet, motoworks slip on, and the CDI wire cut......runs as good if not better than my 05 with ported head, 13.5:1 piston, motoworks slip on and WB head pipe, good CDI, and worked carb.

My vote is for the 05 CRF cam.

jkulysses

11-25-2008, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by CRE Performance
I just did a mulitple cam swap and try out over 3 days time in my 07. I had an 02 and an 05 CRF cam. I was told that the 02 would run better all around, I feel they were wrong. When I put in the 05 cam, the bike made just as much power on the top as the 02 did, but it had a heck of a lot more on bottom and mid. Dont know about the HC2 in an 06 up, but it did well in my 05. I can tell you this though.....my 07 with the 05 CRF cam, open airbox, 170 main jet, motoworks slip on, and the CDI wire cut......runs as good if not better than my 05 with ported head, 13.5:1 piston, motoworks slip on and WB head pipe, good CDI, and worked carb.

My vote is for the 05 CRF cam.

Which is the same as the 06+ hrc cam right?

SMS

11-25-2008, 08:05 AM

I don't know but my hrc cam should be here any day! Does any one know if they are the same?

jkulysses

11-25-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by SMS
I don't know but my hrc cam should be here any day! Does any one know if they are the same?

I'm like 98% sure thats what I read on here before.

CRE Performance

11-25-2008, 07:24 PM

You know, thats what I have read before here and over at the org, but compared to that cam chart that has the measurements over at the org, this 05 CRF (and I know thats what it is for sure) did quite measure up the same as what was posted. When I adjust the valves again in it, Im gonna re-measure with the degree wheel and dial indicator to get exact specs.

SMS, if you have access to a dial caliper, measure the base and eccentric on your new cam before you install it, just for comparison sake and post it.

SMS

11-26-2008, 10:19 AM

im on it

yfzfelix

11-26-2008, 10:10 PM

if you want out of the corner power I would suggest the 06 HRC cam, great low end torque they can be picked up used for $100 or less

SMS

11-27-2008, 05:09 PM

I got a hrc 06 cam and dasa cam ordered and it should be here by monday hopefully. Thanks

RedRacer44

11-29-2008, 01:10 PM

For woods/trail riding or XC racing, I'd roll with the Stage I HotCam or the '06 n' up HRC cam. They make great low and mid-range power while keeping decent over-rev on the top-end.

For MX or dunes...go with a Stage II HotCam or a 04/05 HRC cam. Great mid range and top-end pull.

The '02 CRF cam is a good all-around cam...but I think its definitely not one I'd pick over the above mentioned.

The Web 208 is awesome but its been kinda hard on valves for us...

jjm400ex

12-01-2008, 07:03 PM

doesnt anyone have a opinion on hc3

jkulysses

12-01-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by jjm400ex
doesnt anyone have a opinion on hc3

It's good with a big bore kit and for drag racing etc.

chayes627

12-02-2008, 12:45 PM

10.5:1 13.5:1 without race gas will be kinda ify

SMS

12-02-2008, 12:52 PM

agree don't go over 10.5:1 with pump gas

fastredrider44

12-02-2008, 04:27 PM

I can't help much on the 06 motors, but I have an 05 with an HRC. I like it. I also have 11.5:1 Wiseco in it. I usually try to run 110/93 octane mixed half and half, but there are times when I run straight 93. Seems to do just fine.

jkulysses

12-02-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by SMS
agree don't go over 10.5:1 with pump gas

The 06+ motors are like 12:1 stock and they run fine on premium pump gas....

The only time I've had problems is getting gas from places like safeway or exxon. It pinged a little bit with that gas. As long as I use chevron, shell or texaco it runs great.

bama06300ex

12-03-2008, 08:27 AM

yeah, I was under the impression that 12:1 could still be ran on pump gas.

Butter

12-04-2008, 05:53 PM

You can, myself and my brother run 13.5:1 JE pistons, Hot Cam Stage II, major port and polish, and he's running oversized valves and all, and we both run Pump gas with no problems hammering them riding MX. He ran a season and a half on his, and I've run about 3/4 of a season on mine, and when they were both torn apart, the mechanic couldn't believe how perfect the cylinders were. He's running an '06 and I'm running an '05. As long as your not at some serious altitude (here in Jersey is sea level) then I think you could do it. Its one of those deals to just try it and be aware of it. If it starts to run weird or more importantly, ping, then you know you can't do it.

Just sharing what I've come across....

trailrider894

12-04-2008, 07:26 PM

don't bother with the cam!!! u can substitue power for skill as much as you want but i would say just ride more!!! and it the power will come eventually!!! without costing you a dime!

450r1655

12-14-2008, 02:59 PM

i have a stage 2 hc. I would like to have a stage 1 hc. also have a stock cam

redline501

12-14-2008, 08:09 PM

I would say that the stg II cam is a great all around cam. If u have alot of motor and want some top end then the web 208 is a good cam.

450r1655

12-15-2008, 05:16 PM

I just got this quad, I have 2 other utility quads, but the first like this. The machine is bad asssss. Just to much top end. I dont race just trail ride. And I know this is a racing quad, but also have heard alot of guys use it as well on the trails. From what i understand if I put a stage I cam in it, it will have more bottom end to mid range power. Or can I gear it down enough to have corner power? The third ride i was loading it up and it was idleing and i noticed the sight glass was full! It dumped the antifreeze in the oil. I was told the oil seal around the water pump shaft was bad. so I ordered all new seal mechanical seal and gaskets to put it back together. Waiting on parts now. If anyone has a stage I cam let me know.

rt20ps

12-17-2008, 07:55 AM

If your crankcase is full of coolant, it's not coming from the waterpump seal. Sorry to hijack the thread....

GIXXER1KR

12-17-2008, 04:55 PM

I got an 06 HRC cam for sale.I had DRG build me a head and im runing the web cam.

SHIFTx450

12-18-2008, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Chino886
I would go with a Web cam for MX riding applications. Web cams seem to come on early and stays on the best.

I would say a 943/921 grind or a 493/729 (I think) would suit your application. If you want to go for a more aggressive cam, then the Mysto or the 208 (billet) will be what you want.

If you don't like web cams, you can also check out some Johnson cams.

If you want bang for the buck:
1. take a stage II and retard a bit to get bottom, or
2. take a stage I and advance it a bit to get top end.

I hope that helps.

now.. if you go with the stage 2, and retard it for more bottom, are you sacrificing anything on top??? also, how do u retard it? just go back or forward a tooth???

rt20ps

12-18-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by SHIFTx450
also, how do u retard it? just go back or forward a tooth???

You will need a slotted cam sprocket, or slot yours. You will also need a degree wheel and some skills.

SHIFTx450

12-18-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by rt20ps
You will need a slotted cam sprocket, or slot yours. You will also need a degree wheel and some skills.

ok.. is there anything sacrificed in the procesS?? like if theres noticably more bottom end, do you lose any on top??

SMS

01-23-2009, 06:49 PM

Ok we have tested a bumch of cams and the cam we choose was a web cam. I can say the bike was test rode and beat on and he said it was pulling awsome out of the corners. That it was usually on three wheels coming out! So thats sweet, the biggest thing I learned it hp is not everything torque is very important!