Okay, How about the 09' Suzuki's?

[hsr]

When are they supposed to be out? They are really the only ones left with anything new to be released. I've heard rumors of an aluminum swingarm on the ltr-450 and...Will we finally see the release of the much anticipated ltr-250f???

[450raider]

yeah ive been wondering the same thing for months, im just gonna guess for the last of '09 is a revised ltr (nothin too fancy), utv, and 250f quad....

[outacontrol]

Suzuki is a new every two type company. Their GSXR line got drastic changes every 2 yrs which trickles down to the quads. 08 was the big change yr for the LTR so dont be surprised if you get a new color choice or just minor things.

[LTR450_#67]

Originally posted by outacontrol
Suzuki is a new every two type company. Their GSXR line got drastic changes every 2 yrs which trickles down to the quads. 08 was the big change yr for the LTR so dont be surprised if you get a new color choice or just minor things.

I have to agree. The Z400 got some major changes so I'm guessing the LTR will get BNG and other lil updates.

I think when they totally revamp it should come with or change:

1. A tether
2. Aluminum swinger
3. Renthals or similar
4. Easier to remove plastics
5. Better oil drain locations - current ones suck
6. Lighter chassis - the current one very strong, but it needs a diet.
7.Beadlocks?

Most of those should be pretty do-able without making the price go too much.

[Warnerade]

easier to remove plastics? Lazy *** lmao

not to sure about the aluminum swinger...maybe a chromoly?

completely agree with the oil drain though.

[ltr450rider21]

i agree with the 2 year thing but, everything on suzukis site is updated to 2009 but the ltr..

[450raider]

whoa i just thought of something wierd..... what if there is no 09 ltr? i know that wouldnt make sense on any level but usually by this time it woulda been out or at least have speculation on it.... but this thread here is the most ive seen it been discussed so far....

[ah665]

im thinking (maybe just hoping) that suzuki has something big to release. if they were only doing some minor updates or BNG, then there is no reason it wouldnt be out already. im thinking that maybe a significantly updated 450 maybe upon us, or maybe the release of this lt-r250 that keeps coming up. either way, i hope something happens soon.

[TWISTED]

Third gear will be revamped on the LTR.....

[extremeblastr]

i'm thinkin you should probably watch out for a narrowerer ltr for those woods guys(especially now that they've picked up borich) and hopefully an ltr-250

[250r rider 88]

wouldnt suprise me if a ltr-250r comes out and they unveil them at the same time using a big bro lil bro type sales campaign, i really look for suzuki to be the first to get a new "lites" class going in the next year or 2, 2010 would be a good year i think for that, it would give everyone time to set up the teams, basically pro-am would be comes this "lites" class and would work similar to the bikes

[ah665]

Originally posted by 250r rider 88
wouldnt suprise me if a ltr-250r comes out and they unveil them at the same time using a big bro lil bro type sales campaign, i really look for suzuki to be the first to get a new "lites" class going in the next year or 2, 2010 would be a good year i think for that, it would give everyone time to set up the teams, basically pro-am would be comes this "lites" class and would work similar to the bikes

agreed. that would be fantastic

[250r rider 88]

but the factories have to make a 250 that has the power and handling to get around the tracks, the motors are going to have to be very similar to the bikes and handling similar to the quads we have now

also: the AMA has to set up and promote this class just right or forget about it, they have srewed some things up in the past and this is something that just cannot no matter what be srewed up

for the sake and growth of the sport we need this class, and all the factories to be involved, but with the state of the economy its going to be hard

Originally posted by 250r rider 88
but the factories have to make a 250 that has the power and handling to get around the tracks, the motors are going to have to be very similar to the bikes and handling similar to the quads we have now

it was planned to have a 250 liquid cooled 4 stroke and it looked very similar to the LTR450. 250 4 stroke would deffinately have the power to get around, if those 450 girls classes can make it then the 250 4 strokes can make them. Ever watch the races? Angela Butler would whoop my arse but so many of them ride not that fast.

[Warnerade]

he pro am class on 250's?

[250r rider 88]

Originally posted by Warnerade
he pro am class on 250's?

i want to clarify there was no pun intended for any pro am riders, they are wicked fast but consider this:

on the bikes the 250 class is now considered the "premier" racing class with the 450 just being the "bigger bike" class

at MX de nations last year villapoto threw a leg over the 450 and flat out spanked everyone, and at nationals this year he posted times on his 250 jsut as fast if not faster than stewart on his 450

lites class is what the factories consider the final stepping stone to see if they want to put the rider on a 450 and become the next stewart, RC, etc. etc.,

now this wont be exactly the same on the quad side because everyone is alreayd riding 450s, a.b.c open they are all on 450s for the most part, whereas with the bikes the majority of people just ride the 250s because they are fast enough

so then the question has to be asked: How do these new race ready 250s fit into the ATV racing scene?

[ah665]

just to clarify, RV was on a 250F last year at the MXoN, when he smoked everyone

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
it was planned to have a 250 liquid cooled 4 stroke and it looked very similar to the LTR450. 250 4 stroke would deffinately have the power to get around, if those 450 girls classes can make it then the 250 4 strokes can make them. Ever watch the races? Angela Butler would whoop my arse but so many of them ride not that fast.

I would really, really be depressed when they come out with a 250cc race quad that can smoke my 400ex.

Because:
1) Its pretty embarrasing when a 250 flies past you.
2) 250's are one of the only quads we can beat up on as 400 riders, lol. Next thing we need is a bunch of little punks on here that owns a 250 race quad and talks smack, when in reality his bike is actually faster..

haha.

APEX already has a 250f quad. Obviously never took off. Full race chassis with a yz250f engine.

[ah665]

not to be a d!ck, but i dont think technology should not advance just so 400ex ppl can feel better about themselves. i think its already apparent that 400 EXs are not race quads. thats all there is to it. they are very nice and are alot of fun, but they simply are not built for MX racing. if someone wants to build one up to race, then thats fine, but im all for a race-ready 250F based quad to come out and i would hope it woud smoke the 400ex.

[Ruby Soho]

i dont think a 250f class quad fits in real well, maybe for younger riders?

a quad needs the 450 in it to be able to go fast, where as the bike only needs the 250. then the 450 bikes are over the top and guys like bubba and RC ride them, above and beyond.

Originally posted by DMC-4OOEX
I would really, really be depressed when they come out with a 250cc race quad that can smoke my 400ex.

Because:
1) Its pretty embarrasing when a 250 flies past you.
2) 250's are one of the only quads we can beat up on as 400 riders, lol. Next thing we need is a bunch of little punks on here that owns a 250 race quad and talks smack, when in reality his bike is actually faster..

haha.

APEX already has a 250f quad. Obviously never took off. Full race chassis with a yz250f engine.

250cc 2 stroke like a 250r can go pst us as it is. the 250 4 stroke dirtbike motors have a lot of power for the size they are, dirtbikes are always more powerful than quads and i'm still yet to figure it out the quad needs mor epower because it weighs more. Anyways its not so much about the engine but the rider. Its only as fast as the rider makes it go. if honda made a 250 liquid cooled 4 stroke than ran pretty good and was more towards the race ready stage i would but one. i have beaten quads that should be faster but the rider wasnt as good but i have also tried my hardest racing 450's and they could still pull away. og course these 3 guys had full mx builds these 450's ran crazy! they had so much snap and power you could hear them echo they sounded awesome but yeah 3 guys on built 450's racing around this little track they came up with a highbank, whoops, and a pretty good sized jump. It looked fun so after tghe last guy passed I gave it my all caught up in the turn and then they kept pulling away further and i just gort so tired trying to keep up i had to pull over and stop. i'm afraid to ride a 450 again because i'm thinking my 400ex will be gone and a 450r will be sitting in its place.

[Warnerade]

so in the a,b and c class...the rider can ride a 450 to move up and get better...then downgrade to a 250 just to ride in the pro am class, which will more than likely be slower than the A class?

I honestly never see this happening..its quad racing, not bike racing...theres a pretty big difference

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
250cc 2 stroke like a 250r can go pst us as it is. the 250 4 stroke dirtbike motors have a lot of power for the size they are, dirtbikes are always more powerful than quads and i'm still yet to figure it out the quad needs mor epower because it weighs more. Anyways its not so much about the engine but the rider. Its only as fast as the rider makes it go. if honda made a 250 liquid cooled 4 stroke than ran pretty good and was more towards the race ready stage i would but one. i have beaten quads that should be faster but the rider wasnt as good but i have also tried my hardest racing 450's and they could still pull away. og course these 3 guys had full mx builds these 450's ran crazy! they had so much snap and power you could hear them echo they sounded awesome but yeah 3 guys on built 450's racing around this little track they came up with a highbank, whoops, and a pretty good sized jump. It looked fun so after tghe last guy passed I gave it my all caught up in the turn and then they kept pulling away further and i just gort so tired trying to keep up i had to pull over and stop. i'm afraid to ride a 450 again because i'm thinking my 400ex will be gone and a 450r will be sitting in its place.

:o Your not getting my point.

Of course the 250r's will smoke us. That's a two stroke.:rolleyes:

Im talking about 250ex's, raptor 250's, etc.

It'll be pathetic when 250 4-pokers start passing us. And I know it's about rider, thats not my problem. Im pretty good. But all it takes is the same skill level on a 250f quad and im toast:p

[Wills77]

it would be a cool quad but i dont think a 250f will have enough power to get out of its own way in a full size chassis. you can get as much power out of a 250f as a stock 450 but a stock 450 isnt much when you get on a big open mx track. thomas brown had a 90mod sized quad with a 250f motor that ran with 450's but it had to of been how much lighter. now if they do make the classes for 16 years+ they should do everything they have now for 450 but with 250 also like 250A 250B 250C ect.

Wills 77

[ah665]

well look at it this way. whats a stock 400ex put out, power-wise? like 20hp, if that? so think of all the modding that ppl do to their 400exs and they end up being relatively fast. well a stock 250f motor puts mid 30hp to the wheels on a bike, so you figure it should be somewhere on par with a modded 400ex and be similar to the weight, probably a bit lighter. so its not like the thing would be a total slug.

Originally posted by ah665
well look at it this way. whats a stock 400ex put out, power-wise? like 20hp, if that? so think of all the modding that ppl do to their 400exs and they end up being relatively fast. well a stock 250f motor puts mid 30hp to the wheels on a bike, so you figure it should be somewhere on par with a modded 400ex and be similar to the weight, probably a bit lighter. so its not like the thing would be a total slug.

lol are you serious? 20HP if that? 27/28HP is usually what i see on a stock 400ex at the rear wheels. I like the idea or 250f quads liquid cooled and pretty quick. people talk about the 400ex but i think they are forgetting what it was like before 2005 or so where the 400ex was the best 4 stroke race quad you were getting. So its still a race quad but now there are better race quads called 450's.

[250r rider 88]

400ex should make 27-28 hp to the wheels

my 2003 warrior on the title had 27.3 hp listed at the crank so think about that

[ah665]

thats surprising. maybe ive just been out of quads too long but 400exs and warriors, stock seem really slow. no offense. but didnt the old 250Rs barely break into the 30s, hp-wise? i didnt think 400exs would be that close to a 250r cause they dont seem to be that fast.

[Warnerade]

mine had 60hp

[250r rider 88]

one thing to remember is every quad is corked up from the factory, its amazing how much a pipe/filter/rejet can do to wake a quad up

i believe the 250rs had right around 35 or so

and compared to what we have today the warriors and 400exs are sloooow, but back when the 450s hadnt come out they flew, i just sold my warrior monday, and the thing is still a blast to ride

"its not what you ride, its that you ride"

[ah665]

ya i wasnt saying it to be offensive, i just was exaggerating a little bit to get my point across. but i really dont find 400exs and warriors to be all that impressive in stock form, so i cant see a race-ready 250f quad being any slower than those, by any means, if one were to come out. thats all im trying to say.

i own a new 250f bike, and by no means is it insane power. its just right tho. enough to go fast but still light and controllable. i dont know how itd be in quad form, but i think it would work out well.

[250r rider 88]

oh i know you didnt mean any offense just saying what i know from experiance

a 250f dirt bike engine in a race quad chassis should flat out blow away a stock 400 ex

[FHKracingZ]

BWR who built my honda motors for this year has a 30hp 150f and a 41 horse 250f.

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by DMC-4OOEX
:o Your not getting my point.

Of course the 250r's will smoke us. That's a two stroke.:rolleyes:

Im talking about 250ex's, raptor 250's, etc.

It'll be pathetic when 250 4-pokers start passing us. And I know it's about rider, thats not my problem. Im pretty good. But all it takes is the same skill level on a 250f quad and im toast:p

Well boohoo. Quit your *****ing and get over it.

This sport is going to advance, and your going to have to get past the fact that your 400ex and your banshee are not the fastest quads out there.

I realized it pretty quiclly when I was getting beat by 450's and 250f bikes.:ermm:

[LTR450_#67]

I don't think Suzuki did much to the LTR for '09.

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Well boohoo. Quit your *****ing and get over it.

This sport is going to advance, and your going to have to get past the fact that your 400ex and your banshee are not the fastest quads out there.

I realized it pretty quiclly when I was getting beat by 450's and 250f bikes.:ermm:

What's your problem? I was joking.. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

And I know the 400ex hasn't been the fastest quad since it came out. But the banshee is still competitive against 450's in the power department anyday.:devil:

[250r rider 88]

geesh i love how good forums go bad quickly because people cant check their egos when they get on the forums :rolleyes:

Originally posted by 250r rider 88
geesh i love how good forums go bad quickly because people cant check their egos when they get on the forums :rolleyes:

Is that directed towards me? I haven't started crap in this thread. You people need to learn to take jokes way less seriously. The banshee hit was a little more truthful, but im still just messin around.

Whats with people tonight.. jesus christ.

[Wills77]

im positive the 09 ltr will rock a full titanium frame and carbon fiber plastic

[250r rider 88]

no DMC that wasnt directed towards you man

[mooseracerX]

I just don't really see an Al swinger on the LTR. The reason they put the steel one on there is so it would hold up to racing conditions. They had Doug Gust test it. I read some where's if he couldn't break it, the part would go on the quad.

[Warnerade]

Originally posted by mooseracerX
I just don't really see an Al swinger on the LTR. The reason they put the steel one on there is so it would hold up to racing conditions. They had Doug Gust test it. I read some where's if he couldn't break it, the part would go on the quad. so far I've cracked the oem swinger on my 06 and my 08...the 08 one happened in about 4 motos.

[mooseracerX]

:huh Well there's a reason right there to not have an Al swinger. Time for a Lonestar :blah:

450's > TRX90 > 400ex.


:chinese:

[powermadd400ex]

Originally posted by nofearrider1
450's > TRX90 > 400ex.


:chinese:

:confused:
0_o

[FHKracingZ]

Haha ill take a well designed cast alluminum swingarm over mild steel any day.. Ever hear of anybody breaking a stock TRX swinger??

Plus If doug can break it? Doug rides as smooth as butter, he rides with no style and is still sick fast, smooth as chit..

Now if they made a stock bike that chad couldnt break... wait, that would cost WAY to much money! hahaha

[LTR450_#67]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Haha ill take a well designed cast alluminum swingarm over mild steel any day.. Ever hear of anybody breaking a stock TRX swinger??

Actually I have.....not under normal conditions though. I have seen 2 YFZ Al swingers break from hard racing (more like hard casing jumps) conditions.

A couple weekends ago I was learning a supercross style step down jump and the first attempt I over shot it like 10 foot and went from I'd say 20 foot up to flat and bottomed the ***** out of my quad. I could have swore I broke my swinger, but I checked it and the frame....they were good. My body was hurting though.


I hope Suzuki doesn't do anything drastic to the '09s. I think they would be rushing it then IMO. There are some nice machines that have recently came out and they should take a look to the fine details that each brand has on their 450 models.

Aaron

[Ruby Soho]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Haha ill take a well designed cast alluminum swingarm over mild steel any day.. Ever hear of anybody breaking a stock TRX swinger??


i cracked my cast aluminum 400ex swinger.