09 Honda's out tommorow?

[hsr]

I heard the release date was Sept. 5, anyone else heard anything on this?

[Dave400ex]

I heard the Dealers have their meeting tomorrow. Should be out some time tomorrow it sounds like.

09 Yamaha's are coming Monday...

[exrider272]

i herd from a rep that every month there going to come out with a new machine. and that there even adding a hole new machine for 09.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
I heard the Dealers have their meeting tomorrow. Should be out some time tomorrow it sounds like.

09 Yamaha's are coming Monday...
Just quads or bikes as well?

Honda and Acura have up all their 2009 cars as of today. powersports hopefully tomorrow

[bean2080]

who all thinks all they will change is the "bold new graphics" :p i still hope they do something sweet with the 400 since it was out 10 years.

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by bean2080
who all thinks all they will change is the "bold new graphics" :p i still hope they do something sweet with the 400 since it was out 10 years. never thought of that. they'll probably just have a special color or something.

[Dave400ex]

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
Just quads or bikes as well?

Don't know for sure, but I believe everything.

[reptikes]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Don't know for sure, but I believe everything.

Dirtbikes for sure! Crossing fingers for the TRX450R

[Purcell450r]

i just want to know what time!!!!!

[xsr_racing28c]

It would be a great b-day gift to find out Honda does something totally new! Lets cross our fingies!!!!

I'm gonna be making a call to the dealer and stopping in there tonite. They are on watch for me! They know I'm in heat for a new machine! haha...

:cool:

[redrocker]

I heard a new atc 70 with BOLD NEW GRAPHICS!!!!!!!! :)

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by bean2080
who all thinks all they will change is the "bold new graphics" :p i still hope they do something sweet with the 400 since it was out 10 years. They made changes to the 400ex last year.

[Pappy]

New color combo to the 450R (orange and white)

An all black TRX700xx

Power Steering on the Ranchers

New Rancher model with new transmission, smoother auto and manual shifting

Big Red was released earlier this year, no changes

TRX90-built now for 10 years old and up


Thats about it

[Scro]

Originally posted by Pappy
New color combo to the 450R (orange and white)

An all black TRX700xx

Power Steering on the Ranchers

New Rancher model with new transmission, smoother auto and manual shifting

Big Red was released earlier this year, no changes

TRX90-built now for 10 years old and up


Thats about it

ORANGE AND WHITE?!?!? They've really stepped it up this year!:rolleyes:

[coryatver]

They will sell as many as they can make. How many people are going to go out and buy the new fancy $12,000 models that are coming out? A few but they will sell a lot more lower priced models like the 450r

[xsr_racing28c]

Originally posted by coryatver
They will sell as many as they can make. How many people are going to go out and buy the new fancy $12,000 models that are coming out? A few but they will sell a lot more lower priced models like the 450r

All of the racers that own a calculator and have figured out that you will spend $14k + to build a comparable machine.

[Scro]

Originally posted by coryatver
They will sell as many as they can make. How many people are going to go out and buy the new fancy $12,000 models that are coming out? A few but they will sell a lot more lower priced models like the 450r

True...but there are quite a few things on the 450r that could be improved without drastically changing the retail value.

[coryatver]

All of the racers that own a calculator and have figured out that you will spend $14k + to build a comparable machine.

the thing is they sell more to people that don't race. And most people will change everything any way with sponsor deals and such a lot of people that have those 14,000 machines didn't pay that to build them.

they just released the crf450 on there media website. Its an all new bike new motor and chassis, EFI 56.3 hp

hondanews.com

[KILLAQuad]

Originally posted by redrocker
I heard a new atc 70 with BOLD NEW GRAPHICS!!!!!!!! :)

And i would buy one .... :D




Originally posted by coryatver
the thing is they sell more to people that don't race. And most people will change everything any way with sponsor deals and such a lot of people that have those 14,000 machines didn't pay that to build them.

they just released the crf450 on there media website. Its an all new bike new motor and chassis, EFI 56.3 hp

hondanews.com

:rolleyes: ... Maybe 2011 for the quads then .... :ermm:

[54warrior]

The list of improvements to the 09 CRF450R is quite impressive!

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/265/releases/4730

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by reptikes
Dirtbikes for sure! Crossing fingers for the TRX450R

should have crossed more...

[hasbeenttduner]

Originally posted by 54warrior
The list of improvements to the 09 CRF450R is quite impressive!

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/265/releases/4730
Yes it is.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by Pappy
New color combo to the 450R (orange and white)


Haha... not to dis on the Honda.. great machine.. but instead of trying to compete with the KTM instead they used KTM Camoflauge?

[xsr_racing28c]

OMG, I really cannot believe honda did nothing.

Well that makes my decision complete. KTM Allllll the way!

Jay

[ATV403]

TRX450R/TRX450ER

Available in manual- and electric-start versions, the mighty TRX450R has won races in virtually every ATV racing arena as well as four victories in the grueling Baja 1000. Available in Red, Black and White/Orange . MSRP:
$6999.00/$7349.00

[woodsman250r]

Is EFI really that important to most of you people? Has everyone actually rode an EFI quad and compared it to a 450R? A properly jetted carb does just fine, and puts out plenty of power on these bikes. If you aren't racing in the top classes, you won't notice the benefits anyways! Honda is smart for keeping cost down on a high performance bike, that can be easily modded to race. My quad had a bone stock motor, slip-on and GT Thunder revalves and I could beat a lot of guys in the woods with heavily modded bikes. Rider skill is a huge part of it, not having every trick exotic part out there on your machine. If you want a quad out of the box ready to race, get a KTM. If you want a great trail bike, get a Honda. You guys need to remember, the more technology that goes into a bike, the more cost goes up. And if you are like me, I like keeping costs down and still going out there and riding!

[extremeblastr]

did you maybe forget the part where the suzuki is only a couple hundred more than the orange and white combo and stock for stock is lightyears ahead of the 450r, as far as stock trailquads go the efi will come out on top slowly but surely as people find out its just as reliable as their carb and way easier to tune then technology haters make it out to be.

Figures:rolleyes:

Im not shocked though.. I figured they wouldnt change anything other than plastics.

Cant wait to see the yfz this sunday! Thats gonna be sick :devil:

so... Honda didnt do anything to their 400ex? 10th year being out and it gets nothing? that sucks!

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
so... Honda didnt do anything to their 400ex? 10th year being out and it gets nothing? that sucks!

The price went up.:D


Well the new Z400 seem like a steal compared to the 400 ex now.

Here's what I would like to see on the 400ex..

1) Updated front shocks (maybe 450r's with a different spring and such.)
2) 1in wider stance
3) Different muffler that's compatible with the HRC tips and will actually increase power.
4) HRC header option
5) HRC cam option
6) Fan set up on the oil cooler from the factory, with a temperature sensor for the oil that tells it when to kick on.

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
so... Honda didnt do anything to their 400ex? 10th year being out and it gets nothing? that sucks! On the 08 model they made changes. The changed the internal valving of the shocks for a plusher ride, the clutch lever assembly, the seat was made narrower at the tank so it is easier to move around on, a fully adjustable showa rear shock, preload adjustable in the front, hydraulic brakes front and back.

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by stoopidbot
On the 08 model they made changes. The changed the internal valving of the shocks for a plusher ride, the clutch lever assembly, the seat was made narrower at the tank so it is easier to move around on, a fully adjustable showa rear shock, preload adjustable in the front, hydraulic brakes front and back.

What changed about the brakes from 1999 to 2008?

the new z400 is pretty beast i'm not gonna lie. whats with honda they are behind

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by DMC-4OOEX
Here's what I would like to see on the 400ex..

1) Updated front shocks (maybe 450r's with a different spring and such.)
2) 1in wider stance
3) Different muffler that's compatible with the HRC tips and will actually increase power.
4) HRC header option
5) HRC cam option
6) Fan set up on the oil cooler from the factory, with a temperature sensor for the oil that tells it when to kick on.

7) 450r front brake caliper setup
8) 450r rear brake caliper setup

[BlaineKaiser450]

well looks like my next quad is gonna be a KTM :ermm:

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
What changed about the brakes from 1999 to 2008? I could be wrong about the brakes, but they had them listed in the changes.

[etccb]

It looks like you 400 fans want the price to be the same as the 450.Whats the point??Get a 450.

Originally posted by etccb
It looks like you 400 fans want the price to be the same as the 450.Whats the point??Get a 450.

because its not about all the features but the engine. the 450 is npo doubt faster and has better stock suspension. its also liquid cooled. all great features but the 400ex has the 250r geometry which is the best out there. The 400ex motor doesnt care if its being ridden slow and it can also go fast. All the 400ex needs is new plastics and better front shocks. sure you could change everything but they arent going to make it as good as their 450

[450raider]

it would be cool if for the 10th year of the ex they brought back an origional plastic edition with a red & white color scheme like the crf, reverse, and the same seat as the 08...... as for the r it doesnt really matter to me what they do to it, i gave up on it in 07..... then more in 08..... and its a toss up for 09...

[MX450]

I love when these threads come out, and all of a sudden all the guys who SWORE up and down they knew that Honda was coming out with some race ready machine seem to go away:p

[elmer91]

they did change something! they got rid of the 'E' in 'EX'. :rolleyes: i was hoping for atleast something to celebrate the 10 year anniversary.

i like how Honda is using the black wheels now. at least they stepped up something. the new 700xx in all black looks pretty sik! and the 450r hasnt grown on me yet. wheres the 2009 400ex, 300ex, 250ex... whoa just noticed thy changed it from EX to X. they got BOLD new graphics on them

look what the 400x says now...

"long-travel, Baja-ready Pro-Link® suspension"

long travel?

[elmer91]

i am actually disappointed in Honda now. I am a Honda man, but still, they need to step up their game. Everyone else is passing them up. the new z400 had a great improvement, and the 400x is still the same. but on a second note, the orange/white 450r looks sweet!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/elmer091/TRX450R_Elec_large1.jpg

[jcv400ex]

B N G'S!!!!


Way to GO Honda!!!:macho

[450raider]

if i had to i could go for the orange/white r..... the tank needs to be black with maybe an orange seat... just thinkin out loud

[blacknblue#2]

Originally posted by elmer91
i am actually disappointed in Honda now. I am a Honda man, but still, they need to step up their game. Everyone else is passing them up. the new z400 had a great improvement, and the 400x is still the same. but on a second note, the orange/white 450r looks sweet!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/elmer091/TRX450R_Elec_large1.jpg

to each his own of course cause im sure some ppl wont like my mix of colors when i get done but i have to say that things is HIDEOUS..........

[elmer91]

the one thing i think it needs is more orange. maybe orange graphics, hubs, or something else orange.

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by elmer91
the one thing i think it needs is more orange. maybe orange graphics, hubs, or something else orange. x2 orange hubs would set it off perfectly.

[elmer91]

really quick photoshop of it.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/elmer091/TRX450R_Elec_large1a.jpg

[etccb]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
All the 400ex needs is new plastics and

It got new plastics last year.:rolleyes:

[chris46250r]

Looks like Honda threw some "I wish I was a KTM" colors on that one.

Originally posted by etccb
It got new plastics last year.:rolleyes:

yeah and they suck lol worst looking design so far. i just dont like the way it looks in person and stuff

[300ex_#387]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
yeah and they suck lol worst looking design so far. i just dont like the way it looks in person and stuff

I actually liked the looks of those plastics. It doesn't follow the same "450r" look like the rest of the models do.

[250Renvy]

MO

I don't understand why they took so long to release the 09's when everybody else had them out in the summer. Last year they released them in the summer and the "new 400ex" was released in sept.

The SE 450R looks good, but the orange is kinda belated as Yamaha did that last year.

I think everybody should forget about seeing "innovative" from honda, 2010, 2011, 2012 will see mimimal changes. If anything besides "bold new graphics"

Honda is more interested in bikes. The have proven time and again that change comes very slowly with atv's. Once a model is out, it is out, only very small changes and updates happen. New happens when a new model comes out.

They sell tons of machines based on their honda name and reliability perception.

The one major update on the 450R that most didn't notice is the 1 year warranty. This will be a HUGE selling factor for them. Basically you race it for a season - any problems happen and you take it to the dealer. Sell it at the end of the season with 2 month warranty left as it is transferable.

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
yeah and they suck lol worst looking design so far. i just dont like the way it looks in person and stuff i agree. IMO the original 99-04 plastics looked the best, and im not just saying that because thats what i have. they were very unique, and looked great.

[Ruby Soho]

the new 450 color shceme sucks IMO

now you buy a brand new 450r, its already all different colored and looks like you built it. wheres the fun in that?

[REDRIDDER]

I'm a 100% Honda guy but W T F !!!!! HONDA each year it's the same $hit come on now,I bet the designers at Honda love their jobs... cant be that hard to produce the same thing every year.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by REDRIDDER
I'm a 100% Honda guy but W T F !!!!! HONDA

I hate to say it but I agree with alot of ya on this one. :ermm:
I dont get some of the choices they have done lately and Ill never understand why they dont factory support the quads .I know about all that happened in the past, but get over it already and move forward,everyone else is....!
I know more and more riders are making the switch to go with those that support.
Just think of how many Hondas we would see if they backed more quad riders .
There was ALOT of them out there until factories all started really getting back to supporting the quads again.
I still love the Honda450, but wish a few changes would have been made for 09.

[hsr]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
I hate to say it but I agree with alot of ya on this one. :ermm:
I dont get some of the choices they have done lately and Ill never understand why they dont factory support the quads .I know about all that happened in the past, but get over it already and move forward,everyone else is....!
I know more and more riders are making the switch to go with those that support.
Just think of how many Hondas we would see if they backed more quad riders .
There was ALOT of them out there until factories all started really getting back to supporting the quads again.
I still love the Honda450, but wish a few changes would have been made for 09.

I couldn't agree more, think about those companies that support the sport the next time you are in the market for a new bike. Honda definatly isn't one of those companies...

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by hsr
I couldn't agree more, think about those companies that support the sport the next time you are in the market for a new bike. Honda definatly isn't one of those companies... Unless you are a GOOD racer Factory support doesn't mean squat. I don't mean the guy that will enter a race here and there. Most of the population that buys quads do not race. People love the reliability of Honda. They have some of the lowest prices out there and one of the widest after market selections out there.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by stoopidbot
Unless you are a GOOD racer Factory support doesn't mean squat. I don't mean the guy that will enter a race here and there. Most of the population that buys quads do not race. People love the reliability of Honda. They have some of the lowest prices out there and one of the widest after market selections out there.
Your right on reliability,that is one of the reasson we are such Honda fans. I LOVE Honda and in my eyes, its the best thing we have ever owned..
Good prices also ,but seeing no upgades over and over, IMO this only makes otherr look at all the other brands as abit more enticing. Ive heard it from a few riders who would much rather pay for the upgrades off the show room floor than to pay for all the upgrades they really cant afford for all the aftermarket .That comes from recreational riders, not racers. The stock shocks are horrible, the width is as well and rider height could use some work just to name a few ...
I think coming out with an MX version would be cool myself,Id be all over that!:blah:
The ATV racing scene doesnt fully support the market ,but they do there fair share in sales.Factory is also starting to help out the Amatuers in support as well . Of course you have to be good,but its better than no support at all.
I cant think of too many riders on an ATV with Honda -good or not- that are getting good support.
I really cant blame riders going where the support is- in the racing scene that is.

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
Your right on reliability,that is one of the reasson we are such Honda fans. I LOVE Honda and in my eyes, its the best thing we have ever owned..
Good prices also ,but seeing no upgeades over and over, IMO this only makes otherr look at all the other brands as abit more enticing. Ive heard it from a few riders who would much rather pay for the upgrades off the show room floor than to pay for all the upgrades they really cant afford for all the aftermarket .That comes from recreational riders, not racers. The stock shocks are horrible, the width is as well and rider height could use some work just to name a few ...
I think coming out with an MX version would be cool myself,Id be all over that!:blah:
The ATV racing scene doesnt fully support the market ,but they do there fair share in sales. I fully agree with you. I'm the kind of guy who enjoys putting the after market stuff on. The only "race ready" machine I would go for is the KTM. But not for 12,000. If Honda made a race ready machine I too would be all over it. Although I'm into XC over MX. I've never been good up in the air.

[QuadJunkies]

[ . I've never been good up in the air. [/B][/QUOTE]
ME either .
My kids school me on MX.:o :p

LOL

Not the best photoshopper i'm still learning the program, tools, and how everything works and what it does. i tried and I like it a lot better. What do you think?

[ah665]

i think Honda really does need to step-up and deliver a new or alternate mx-version of the trx450. i dont think the dont fix what isnt broke theory is even relevant. its not like yamahas sales were slouching but they kept the previous model for woods / enthusiest riders and then dropped a new race-only model aswell. i love that idea and i love the other performance models on the market and i feel honda needs to do that also. the sport grows when the manufactuers step-up and offer support and new models / updates. the crf450 was the best-selling 450, to my knowledge, and it got frequent updates and an all new 09 model, so i think quad riders deserve better from honda. hopefully next year.

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by ah665
i think Honda really does need to step-up and deliver a new or alternate mx-version of the trx450. i dont think the dont fix what isnt broke theory is even relevant. its not like yamahas sales were slouching but they kept the previous model for woods / enthusiest riders and then dropped a new race-only model aswell. i love that idea and i love the other performance models on the market and i feel honda needs to do that also. the sport grows when the manufactuers step-up and offer support and new models / updates. the crf450 was the best-selling 450, to my knowledge, and it got frequent updates and an all new 09 model, so i think quad riders deserve better from honda. hopefully next year. I have been hearing since 07 that that Honda was going to put EFI on the CRF in 09. At the same time, I heard the TRX will have it plus other upgrades in 2010 or 2011. Honda focuses more on the dirt bikes than their quads.

[ah665]

ya, and thats fine. i can understand getting the crf done first, then trickle that to the TRX. the dirtbike racing market is bigger right now etc. but at the same time, the ppl that are defending an unchanged machine just because it sells good is ridiculous. the sport will go nowhere without progression of machines and support etc. so we should all be wanting newer, better machines.

[quad2xtreme]

wonder if we are so close to the sport that we can't envision that the quad race scene isn't viewed nearly as important as we seem to think it is. There really isn't much quad racing going on at a grass roots level compared to bike racing.

Maybe Honda says, bikes are our bread and butter and we will put out a decent quad to have a product filling that slot for those who want it. We will concede some quad business to the other companies if they want to heavily invest in this market that doesn't seem to be growing from a "sport quad" racing perspective.

[250Renvy]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
wonder if we are so close to the sport that we can't envision that the quad race scene isn't viewed nearly as important as we seem to think it is. There really isn't much quad racing going on at a grass roots level compared to bike racing.

Maybe Honda says, bikes are our bread and butter and we will put out a decent quad to have a product filling that slot for those who want it. We will concede some quad business to the other companies if they want to heavily invest in this market that doesn't seem to be growing from a "sport quad" racing perspective.


Guess it depends how you look at it. Racing may be more prominent in the bike scene - but I think that's only because they have been around longer, had the lawsuits not stopped racing quads from being produced, I think it would be bigger.

However, the part that doesn't make sense is that quad sales out number bike, snowmobile, watercraft sales combined. So why not support where the sales are?