If this Don't make ya vote ..

[quadinfamily]

If this don't make ya vote for the right party I don't know what will :D
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Palin-Family-Minneapolis-Republican-presidential-candidate-John-McCain-Sarah-Palin-Republican-National-Convention/ss/events/pl/090308palinfamily/im:/080903/480/149dacc1fa3342319ddfe57aa48933ef/;_ylt=Ang.hb61aso6eT62SClH_ztrWscF#photoViewer=/080830/480/bc5339b9873a4057aca8df8d78701753

[ALAMX37]

They is a vote for president, I thought McCain won by default. If you really are even thinking about voting Obama you need to come with me out behind the shed LOL. This shouldnt even be close and I guarantee it turns into some kind of racial mumbo jumbo.

[byrdman37876]

aint going to mean sqaut. she will do what ever she needs to get votes the same as the other vultures.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/CANAMGATOR/Nobama.jpg

vote mccain

[ZeroLogic]

Her daughter ain't bad lookin.:devil:

well she was runner up or w/e for miss america i think so good genes lol. she's getting married though.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
well she was runner up or w/e for miss america i think so good genes lol. she's getting married though.

Damn it. Shes a whore anyway.:ermm: :blah:


Ohhh I'm going to get introuble for that one.:o

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
Damn it. Shes a whore anyway.:ermm: :blah:


Ohhh I'm going to get introuble for that one.:o

why would you say that? just wondering?

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
why would you say that? just wondering?

Because her 17 y/o daughter got knocked up.

Originally posted by nofearrider1
Because her 17 y/o daughter got knocked up.

that doesnt mean she is a whore. she is getting married to the guy

[quadinfamily]

Soooooo I guess Obama's mother was a WHORE also..what is the big friggin deal ..I was 17 and went on to get married and have 4 children and have been married 11 yrs now ..better than most couples now a days

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
that doesnt mean she is a whore. she is getting married to the guy

Where I grew up, if you were preggo and under 18 your looked at as a whore. Your not even out of HS yet. Just my opinion.

oh and, I highly doubt that this was a "planned pregnacy".

[Rastus]

Originally posted by quadinfamily
Soooooo I guess Obama's mother was a WHORE also..what is the big friggin deal ..I was 17 and went on to get married and have 4 children and have been married 11 yrs now ..better than most couples now a days



Very true, I have been in close to the same boat although my wife and I were both out of school at the time.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by nofearrider1
Where I grew up, if you were preggo and under 18 your looked at as a whore. Your not even out of HS yet. Just my opinion.

oh and, I highly doubt that this was a "planned pregnacy".

lol

The New York Post has excerpts from Johnston's MySpace page:

On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ***," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

[Rastus]

So..., I'd call him typical 17 y.o guy, last thing on most 17 y.o's mind is having kids. It is hard to undestand unless you've been there yourself. Most are more interested in getting some strange and getting smashed. Think about what ppl would see on your myspace page, that is, if you have one. I don't, 'cause they're ghey. :blah:


New York Post? Can't say I'm surprised.

[wilkin250r]

Yeah, you guys are right on. McCain's Vice President's Daughter's Boyfriend doesn't like condoms, therefore he's totally unfit to run the country. Vote Obama!!!!!

[justin1022]

this girl in my class is popin a baby soon and she is 14 im in grade 10 lol so what you guys call her? i usually just laugh and say fatty lol and no whats funny the dad is like 19 ahhahha. but actuly she is not sure cuz sh was cheating on him so they are geting the kid tested to find out when she poped it out she is due sept 20 lol ONLY 14~!!!!!

[Doober]

Originally posted by justin1022
this girl in my class is popin a baby soon and she is 14 im in grade 10 lol so what you guys call her? i usually just laugh and say fatty lol and no whats funny the dad is like 19 ahhahha. but actuly she is not sure cuz sh was cheating on him so they are geting the kid tested to find out when she poped it out she is due sept 20 lol ONLY 14~!!!!!

I don't see the humor in a girl having a kid at 14....Grow up man

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
Yeah, you guys are right on. McCain's Vice President's Daughter's Boyfriend doesn't like condoms, therefore he's totally unfit to run the country. Vote Obama!!!!!

But that's the same argument that's being used against Obama .

His mother's second husband ,whom he rarely had any contact with ,was apparently a "radical muslim" , who enrolled Obama into a "radical school" which in fact is a top ranking public school in the country... therefore he's unfit to run the country because he's a muslim who's goal is to turn the USA into a dictatorship and have you all wearing a turbin within 4 years. :p

Way too often , someone's past or family issues come up on matters in which they should really have no bearing on the outcome.

When Clinton was thrown out of office for slipping his intern the cigar tube .... did it really affect the people?? Who care's what happens in someone's personal life .... it's exactly that .. their personal life. People should be more worried about bigger issues that occur .

[reptikes]

Get out and vote. Vote for change.
Obama/Biden 08'

[jcv400ex]

Originally posted by Quad18star
But that's the same argument that's being used against Obama .

His mother's second husband ,whom he rarely had any contact with ,was apparently a "radical muslim" , who enrolled Obama into a "radical school" which in fact is a top ranking public school in the country... therefore he's unfit to run the country because he's a muslim who's goal is to turn the USA into a dictatorship and have you all wearing a turbin within 4 years. :p

Way too often , someone's past or family issues come up on matters in which they should really have no bearing on the outcome.

When Clinton was thrown out of office for slipping his intern the cigar tube .... did it really affect the people?? Who care's what happens in someone's personal life .... it's exactly that .. their personal life. People should be more worried about bigger issues that occur .


Worry about your own country frenchie! :macho

Obama is a POS and if he is elected president....you'll never see the american economy get any better...

[Cron]

Originally posted by reptikes
Get out and vote. Vote for change.
Obama/Biden 08'

What kind of change? Socialism. No thanks! I'll take a reformer over an empty suit

[fofity]

in a way i hope palin does get elected, mccain won't make through the first term, so in 4 years when the country is even further in the sh**ter the neoconservative party should be all but killed off and the return to traditional conservatism will be the only way for the party to survive. you look at polling for younger demographics and you should see a huge tilt towards democrats and that should worry some on the right considering their base is a few seconds from death and not to mention the fact that the minority population, which is usually liberal, is set to be the majority by the end of my lifetime. the right needs to come up with something quick besides social issues, which strongly divide the country and have more to do with your own personal beliefs and should not be involved in government, because the times are changing fast and neocons basically turned a whole generation left.

[fofity]

Originally posted by Cron
What kind of change? Socialism. No thanks! I'll take a reformer over an empty suit

McCain's fascism is no better than Obama's socialism, just saying.

[reptikes]

Originally posted by Cron
What kind of change? Socialism. No thanks! I'll take a reformer over an empty suit

Any change from where we are at now is good. Mccain spells same. We can't afford 4 more of the same, PERIOD! Just look at his VP pick, he just cares about getting votes, not about what or whos best for the country. Obama picks a guy who excels where he doesn't, they complement each other. Mccains just looking at the small picture.

Obama will be President! :cool:

[smr]

I love it when people say...it's personal and has nothing to do with running the country.

Well I disagree. If you don't have your own house in order then you shouldn't be trying to clean up the neighborhood.

now..with that said, I don't think the fact her duaghter is pregnant has any relivance. She's getting married and starting a family...that's the way it should be. Now if she was not getting married and had her baby on welfare while she lived off the goverment then that would be a different story.

I lost all respect for clinton when he showed he's not a man of his word, if a man lies to his family then imagine what he would do to a nation.

Vote McCain/Palin 08

[powermadd400ex]

:rolleyes:

[reptikes]

Originally posted by smr
I don't think the fact her duaghter is pregnant has any relivance. She's getting married and starting a family...that's the way it should be. 8

Who says ? Her mother? What do think her mothers going to say, (well the father doesn't want a baby, he doesn't want to get married, he just wants to party and hang out with his buddies. But vote for me because i know what im doing!)

You are very naive!

[Ralph]

I was just wondering if any of you here want to share how they felt about bush 8 and 4 years ago? How do you feel now.

As far as i know McCain was against bush 8 years ago and now he voted 90% with him.

Can you guys relate to that?

[Ralph]

Food for laughter... They accidentally left the mic on.

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[stoopidbot]

All these people that are complaining about where our economy is, Bush put us there. You want to go and put his clone in office? McCain is the exact same as Bush. As for the VP chick, she is going to be constantly traveling. She has a baby less than year old, and a daughter that the only reason she's getting married to this guy is to save face for her mom. This chick has got too much on her plate to be in office. She governed Alaska, wtf happens in Alaska. I don't want Obama but I really don't want this dumb chick.

[Rastus]

Originally posted by reptikes
Any change from where we are at now is good. Mccain spells same. We can't afford 4 more of the same, PERIOD! Just look at his VP pick, he just cares about getting votes, not about what or whos best for the country. Obama picks a guy who excels where he doesn't, they complement each other. Mccains just looking at the small picture.

Obama will be President! :cool:


I'm sick of hearing this change crap, "we need change." Has Obama told you, specifically, what he will "change"? His tax plan would double my taxes from income tax alone, not counting all the other taxes he will reinstate, and I don't make that much. So much for that "help for working class families" BS he spouts to court the union vote, when he knows nothing about working class families since he has never been to smalltown USA.

And Biden? Obama made a terrible choice there. He campaigns on all this hope and change propaganda and how he will shake up washington and change it, and then picks some wingbat senator that's been there since 1973 and has twice failed on campaigning for pres.


The truth is, Obama has the most liberal voting record in the entire Senate(when he was actually there), and that really says something among the likes of Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Reid, etc. Name ONE thing he has done, besides talk and write. He hasn't ran ANYTHING, and people want him running the country with the likes of the Code Pink types and Cindy Sheehan? No thanks, I'll take McCain/Palin long before some known marxist with ties to terrorists, ties to people that hate our troops and recruiters, and a VP that faces felony charges.

[FHKracingZ]

Who cares, nothing is gonna change that much. It never does.

[stoopidbot]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Who cares, nothing is gonna change that much. It never does. DING DING DING! We have a winner. That is exactly how I see it.

[Cron]

Originally posted by Quad18star
But that's the same argument that's being used against Obama .

His mother's second husband ,whom he rarely had any contact with ,was apparently a "radical muslim" , who enrolled Obama into a "radical school" which in fact is a top ranking public school in the country... therefore he's unfit to run the country because he's a muslim who's goal is to turn the USA into a dictatorship and have you all wearing a turbin within 4 years. :p

Way too often , someone's past or family issues come up on matters in which they should really have no bearing on the outcome.

When Clinton was thrown out of office for slipping his intern the cigar tube .... did it really affect the people?? Who care's what happens in someone's personal life .... it's exactly that .. their personal life. People should be more worried about bigger issues that occur .

Can you explain how a 4th party to the McCain ticket has any correlation to Obama himself being DIRECTLY inserted into the heart of the hate America breeing grounds?

Talking about Palin's future son in law or granddaughter is not the same thing as talking about Obama's radical life experiences!

Granted, Obama did not choose to place himself there; however, not many people "choose" how they become who they are, we are all defined by our choices, experiences, and contacts in life. No, he did not choose to go to a Radicle Muslim school, but he was subject to their rhetoric and mind washing and there is no doubt it helped shape his beliefs and ideologies.

Analyzing Obama's own experience is not anywhere near the same thing as analyzing Palin by some punk kid who is banging the AK Govenor's daughter.

CLINTON LIED to the American people, straight to our faces without any remorse or guilt. How does that not affect us? Yes, his cheating did not affect America; but when he knowingly lies about something that stupid how can we trust me to run the country ethically and truthfully?

Those of you complaining about the economy, when did it start going down? Quick review:

2000: Bush inherited a GDP from Clinton of -.4%, then 9/11 hit suppressing it more. The economy rebounded strongly and we enjoyed great prosperity until roughly the middle of 2007. What happened in 2006 that could have caused that?

November 2006- A bunch of liberals being voted into office whose policies suppress economic growth rather than cultivate it.

The economy is a cycle with ups and downs, the economy last quarter was 3.3%, we have yet to hit negative growth or a recession.

The economy will not be jump started unless we control energy, who has the best policies to bring down energy costs?

The Dems, whose idea is to do nothing but tax windfall profits? How does taxing Exxon give the world more energy to drive down prices?

Or the Republicans who want to drill, and go nuclear?

[jcv400ex]

Originally posted by Cron

Those of you complaining about the economy, when did it start going down? Quick review:

2000: Bush inherited a GDP from Clinton of -.4%, then 9/11 hit suppressing it more. The economy rebounded strongly and we enjoyed great prosperity until roughly the middle of 2007. What happened in 2006 that could have caused that?

November 2006- A bunch of liberals being voted into office whose policies suppress economic growth rather than cultivate it.

The economy is a cycle with ups and downs, the economy last quarter was 3.3%, we have yet to hit negative growth or a recession.

The economy will not be jump started unless we control energy, who has the best policies to bring down energy costs?

The Dems, whose idea is to do nothing but tax windfall profits? How does taxing Exxon give the world more energy to drive down prices?

Or the Republicans who want to drill, and go nuclear?

+1 !! Hit the nail on the head right there....Nov 2006 was the start of the fall...

[Rastus]

Does anyone remember what alot of congress critters campaigned on in 06' ? "Lets teach Bush and the Repubs a lesson!" :rolleyes:
Talk about a lame, do nothing congress we have now. They played the same song and dance then to get elected, as they are now.


Taxing windfall profits is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, Yea, lets tax the oil companies for being successful and make SURE that they don't have enough money for more exploration and research into alt. energy. :huh

Originally posted by reptikes
Any change from where we are at now is good. Mccain spells same. We can't afford 4 more of the same, PERIOD! Just look at his VP pick, he just cares about getting votes, not about what or whos best for the country. Obama picks a guy who excels where he doesn't, they complement each other. Mccains just looking at the small picture.

Obama will be President! :cool:

Palin has more experience than McCain, Obama, and Biden.

They were all senators.

[reptikes]

Originally posted by MrManly
Palin has more experience than McCain, Obama, and Biden.



What the h*ll are you talking about? Motherhood? I know your not talking politics!

[reptikes]

Originally posted by Cron
Can you explain how a 4th party to the McCain ticket has any correlation to Obama himself being DIRECTLY inserted into the heart of the hate America breeing grounds?

Talking about Palin's future son in law or granddaughter is not the same thing as talking about Obama's radical life experiences!

Granted, Obama did not choose to place himself there; however, not many people "choose" how they become who they are, we are all defined by our choices, experiences, and contacts in life. No, he did not choose to go to a Radicle Muslim school, but he was subject to their rhetoric and mind washing and there is no doubt it helped shape his beliefs and ideologies.

Analyzing Obama's own experience is not anywhere near the same thing as analyzing Palin by some punk kid who is banging the AK Govenor's daughter.

CLINTON LIED to the American people, straight to our faces without any remorse or guilt. How does that not affect us? Yes, his cheating did not affect America; but when he knowingly lies about something that stupid how can we trust me to run the country ethically and truthfully?

Those of you complaining about the economy, when did it start going down? Quick review:

2000: Bush inherited a GDP from Clinton of -.4%, then 9/11 hit suppressing it more. The economy rebounded strongly and we enjoyed great prosperity until roughly the middle of 2007. What happened in 2006 that could have caused that?

November 2006- A bunch of liberals being voted into office whose policies suppress economic growth rather than cultivate it.

The economy is a cycle with ups and downs, the economy last quarter was 3.3%, we have yet to hit negative growth or a recession.

The economy will not be jump started unless we control energy, who has the best policies to bring down energy costs?

The Dems, whose idea is to do nothing but tax windfall profits? How does taxing Exxon give the world more energy to drive down prices?

Or the Republicans who want to drill, and go nuclear?

That might sound good to some one who don't know whats going on with/in the United States. to every one else you sound like an IDIOT!;)

[user101]

Congress is our main problem and that idiot woman Pulosy(sp?)

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by Rastus
Taxing windfall profits is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, Yea, lets tax the oil companies for being successful and make SURE that they don't have enough money for more exploration and research into alt. energy. :huh

Here's something I find quite interesting from reading the papers and listening to your candidates ( both sides) talk about alternative energy .

Nuclear Power comes up A LOT ... so does the Electric car ... and the talk of wanting to put a halt to importing energy sources.

First off ... the electric car ... sounds like a great idea doesn't it? Does anyone remember the Blackout we had a few years back ( 2003 or something) ? What happened? The power grid could not take all the energy that was being draw because of Air Conditioners over the course of a hot week. Millions of people affected because of air conditioners ... what would happen once the grid gets tied up with millions of cars being plugged in? Billions if not more would be needed to build more dams and improve grids.

Both your parties are saying " We need more nuclear reactors" ... but what powers those reactors? Uranium ... and the USA has a whopping total of 1% of the global supply of Uranium in it's crust. Not enough supply to bring on line the 50 or so reactors that they want to build . So while they may walk away from fuel imports , they're just flipping the coin and turning the imports towards Uranium .

In a current market that doesn't have a HUGE need for Uranium , it still hit a high of $135/ lbs this summer . Now bring on line 50 new reactors that need a TON of uranium ... you increase the demands .. which increases the prices ... but you still have to import it . You back to where you are with oil ..... dependent on the supply from another country who can drive the price sky high.

[Rastus]

Originally posted by reptikes
That might sound good to some one who don't know whats going on with/in the United States. to every one else you sound like an IDIOT!;)


Leave me out of that "everyone else" part.

[quadinfamily]

More food for thought here..
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr02-10-08.html
bunch of liberal pansies ..I hope you who vote Obama are the first to feel the rath of his CHANGES!!!

[Rastus]

Originally posted by Quad18star
Here's something I find quite interesting from reading the papers and listening to your candidates ( both sides) talk about alternative energy .

Nuclear Power comes up A LOT ... so does the Electric car ... and the talk of wanting to put a halt to importing energy sources.

First off ... the electric car ... sounds like a great idea doesn't it? Does anyone remember the Blackout we had a few years back ( 2003 or something) ? What happened? The power grid could not take all the energy that was being draw because of Air Conditioners over the course of a hot week. Millions of people affected because of air conditioners ... what would happen once the grid gets tied up with millions of cars being plugged in? Billions if not more would be needed to build more dams and improve grids.

Both your parties are saying " We need more nuclear reactors" ... but what powers those reactors? Uranium ... and the USA has a whopping total of 1% of the global supply of Uranium in it's crust. Not enough supply to bring on line the 50 or so reactors that they want to build . So while they may walk away from fuel imports , they're just flipping the coin and turning the imports towards Uranium .

In a current market that doesn't have a HUGE need for Uranium , it still hit a high of $135/ lbs this summer . Now bring on line 50 new reactors that need a TON of uranium ... you increase the demands .. which increases the prices ... but you still have to import it . You back to where you are with oil ..... dependent on the supply from another country who can drive the price sky high.


True, you bring up good points. I think one of the selling points for the electric cars is that they will be plugged in at night, during off peak hours when people aren't using much power off the grid. I think we will see alot of cars like the Chevy Volt coming in the future, where they run 40 miles or so on a charge and then a generator kicks in after that. I have alot of doubts currently with the Volt, but if GM can make it for a competitive price(not 40K), then it very well could make a lot of money for GM if they do it right.

To provide this power, we will have to use clean coal along with nuclear power to provide most of our energy needs. Wind, solar, and geo-therm. will help provide, but coal is and will be the biggest source of our electric energy for a long time.
We have so much coal, I forget the numbers exactly, but I remember it was enough coal in WV alone to supply us for years and years. Enviros don't like coal from the Appalachia's because it has higher arsenic and other chem. levels in it, but with the newer pollution systems they have, most of what comes out the stacks in a new/updated plant is water vapor.

About the uranium, I don't see why we couldn't use the weapons grade stuff we have currently. De-comm some warheads for some reactors. The US spends a lot of money doing maintenance and upkeep on all of our old warheads, when we don't really need the older stuff. Lets face it, we don't need as many nukes as we have now, if we have a nuclear exchange it's not going to matter if we have 500 nukes or 2K nukes. Either way, most on the planet are dead or suffering with this screnario and wish they were dead, so what's the point with having that many?

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by quadinfamily
More food for thought here..
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr02-10-08.html
bunch of liberal pansies ..I hope you who vote Obama are the first to feel the rath of his CHANGES!!!

:eek2: A Minister in the McCain camp ..... black at that also. :eek2:

Hard to take someone seriously, when they go from talking about a Roman Emporer to Micheal Jordan.

[Cron]

Originally posted by reptikes
That might sound good to some one who don't know whats going on with/in the United States. to every one else you sound like an IDIOT!;)

If only ad hominem was a form of argument, you would do well in this debate.

Care to elaborate? Give examples, narratives, inform us all how the "real world" works? Apparently in your real world, oil is not the blood and major underlying factor of the economy?

Anyone can attack the person, few can attack the reasoning.

As far as nuclear goes, I am no nuclear physicists, but I thought you only needed the uranium to start the reaction and then it slowly degrades? After that the nuclear energy is self sufficient and builds on itself? It is not like oil were we need to keep importing oil that is eventually burned to smoke quickly. Yes it will increase demand for uranium; however, it is much more efficient and cleaner than anything else available, which will lower the stress on other energy markets. I could be wrong, I am not that well informed on how a nuclear reactor works, other than the fact it is clean and efficient, assuming you can safely discard the nuclear waste.

Plus, I'd rather give my money to Borat than Osama bin Ladin...:p

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by Rastus
True, you bring up good points. I think one of the selling points for the electric cars is that they will be plugged in at night, during off peak hours when people aren't using much power off the grid. I think we will see alot of cars like the Chevy Volt coming in the future, where they run 40 miles or so on a charge and then a generator kicks in after that. I have alot of doubts currently with the Volt, but if GM can make it for a competitive price(not 40K), then it very well could make a lot of money for GM if they do it right.

To provide this power, we will have to use clean coal along with nuclear power to provide most of our energy needs. Wind, solar, and geo-therm. will help provide, but coal is and will be the biggest source of our electric energy for a long time.
We have so much coal, I forget the numbers exactly, but I remember it was enough coal in WV alone to supply us for years and years. Enviros don't like coal from the Appalachia's because it has higher arsenic and other chem. levels in it, but with the newer pollution systems they have, most of what comes out the stacks in a new/updated plant is water vapor.

About the uranium, I don't see why we couldn't use the weapons grade stuff we have currently. De-comm some warheads for some reactors. The US spends a lot of money doing maintenance and upkeep on all of our old warheads, when we don't really need the older stuff. Lets face it, we don't need as many nukes as we have now, if we have a nuclear exchange it's not going to matter if we have 500 nukes or 2K nukes. Either way, most on the planet are dead or suffering with this screnario and wish they were dead, so what's the point with having that many?

You're right ... there is a ton of coal available , but the worse part of it , is the mining methods now used to extract the coal have devastating impacts on the environment.

A New way that companies are finidng to remove coal is by actually flatening mountains .... removing the tops until they reach the coal veins ... because it is the cheapest way to do it. The only problem with that , is that you are killing animal habitats, turning a landscape into a giant pit and removing trees which essentially provide us with clean air to breathe. They throw around the term Re-Vegitation , but that takes upwards of 50+ years in order to have a forest back to the point where they have trees the way they were and even at that , you're still stuck with mountains tops that have been levelled.

Here's a quick overview if you're interested . http://www.thestar.com/article/306165

The one thing I'm not too fond about is the new emissions thing that was signed by a few nations. What good is it, if companies that produce higher emissions can buy emission credits from companies that are below the emission levels ? Doesn't that equal out to being the same across the board ?

[bwamos]

1 kg of Uranium = 1,500,000 kg of coal when producing power.

Byproducts.. I'll have to do more research. Don't want to give out bad information.

[smr]

Originally posted by reptikes
What the h*ll are you talking about? Motherhood? I know your not talking politics!

No..he's talking about her actually being in charge of something (alaska). The others are all just representives of the people.

[Rastus]

Originally posted by Quad18star
You're right ... there is a ton of coal available , but the worse part of it , is the mining methods now used to extract the coal have devastating impacts on the environment.

A New way that companies are finidng to remove coal is by actually flatening mountains .... removing the tops until they reach the coal veins ... because it is the cheapest way to do it. The only problem with that , is that you are killing animal habitats, turning a landscape into a giant pit and removing trees which essentially provide us with clean air to breathe. They throw around the term Re-Vegitation , but that takes upwards of 50+ years in order to have a forest back to the point where they have trees the way they were and even at that , you're still stuck with mountains tops that have been levelled.

Here's a quick overview if you're interested . http://www.thestar.com/article/306165

The one thing I'm not too fond about is the new emissions thing that was signed by a few nations. What good is it, if companies that produce higher emissions can buy emission credits from companies that are below the emission levels ? Doesn't that equal out to being the same across the board ?


Good article, and I know what they are talking about since I'm 30 mins from WV. To be honest, I don't know much about how their operation runs. It's certainly not fair to residents living there, but on the other hand we NEED coal.


Yea, new emissions is a joke. I also love how "developing" nations get a free pass to pollute however much they want. Did anyone watch the Olympics and see how smoggy it was there? :scary: It was that bad, even with shutting down alot of stuff before hand.

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by bwamos
1 kg of Uranium = 1,500,000 kg of coal when producing power.

Byproducts.. I'll have to do more research. Don't want to give out bad information.

I'm interested in the results of your research, and your sources.

[Ralph]

Sort of on topic. Anyone happen to catch this last night?

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[Cron]

This is goes with the topic, Obama not knowing what he is talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
why would you say that? just wondering?


Originally posted by quadinfamily
Soooooo I guess Obama's mother was a WHORE also..what is the big friggin deal ..I was 17 and went on to get married and have 4 children and have been married 11 yrs now ..better than most couples now a days

It was a joke! I didn't even know she was prego til a guy at work told me today! You can't even joke around anymore.:ermm:

Roosevelt '08

Vote old school.

[quadinfamily]

Originally posted by Cron
This is goes with the topic, a Obama not knowing what he is talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU



That is priceless!!! What an Idiot! I hope Americans are smarter than this and won't vote this loser in , If your going to waste your vote then vote indepentant , cause this man is a disaster waiting to happen..I hope in a year from now all you O BOMB A lovers are still skipping to the same tune!!:rolleyes:

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by Cron
This is goes with the topic, Obama not knowing what he is talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

He also plagiarizes his speeches.

[Anvil]

Its a lucky dip either way you vote. If you really think it is Mcain or Obama that will be pulling the strings when in power then it shows how politically naive you really are.

The president of any political party is influenced by his staff, advisers, analysts, and the lobbiests and special interest groups, it is impossible for him or her to be fully informed on every front.

Just look at Palins magnificent speech, its not as though it necessarily a representation of her, it was written by George Bushs speech writter, She just reads it out like an actor, and it is designed to appeal to the target audience.

The next 4 years should be interesting though.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Anvil
Its a lucky dip either way you vote. If you really think it is Mcain or Obama that will be pulling the strings when in power then it shows how politically naive you really are.

The president of any political party is influenced by his staff, advisers, analysts, and the lobbiests and special interest groups, it is impossible for him or her to be fully informed on every front.

Just look at Palins magnificent speech, its not as though it necessarily a representation of her, it was written by George Bushs speech writter, She just reads it out like an actor, and it is designed to appeal to the target audience.

The next 4 years should be interesting though.

Yeah,

Thats the exact reason there will never be a truly smart person in the white house. (Someone like Ron Paul and thousands of others)

Obama and McCain are not the two most fit people in the country to run this country what so ever.

The person who ends up sitting in the white house is more or less a puppet.

The danger is the puppet who is getting controlled by the more evil hand.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by smr
now..with that said, I don't think the fact her duaghter is pregnant has any relivance. She's getting married and starting a family...that's the way it should be. Now if she was not getting married and had her baby on welfare while she lived off the goverment then that would be a different story.

The problem occurs when you represent a party that preaches abstinence and is against all kinds of birth control and sexual education.

If she cant make it work for her OWN DAUGHTER then how can she make it work for the country. SHE CAN'T, and you know why, because the whole idea is absurd.

[nakomis0]

You guys are nuts. McCain? Great American and a hero yes. President, no thanks.

The guy tells stories that will never happen, and he will do anything to become president. I'm not even sure where to start with this cause I could type a small novel.

He didn't even have a platform. His current platform is "Change" (wonder where he got that?) He trying so hard to distance himself from Bush, saying how we need get rid of this current goverment and get something new. Ok so change is going to be 1 republican to another?

Than the Pilan thing... there is no way in h@ll she is the best choice for Vp. This was another do anything tactic to get the Hillary votes, and it was a weak attempt. You really want this lady to be the next inline if something happens to McCain? Its very, very possible it could happen the guy has a huge medical history, currenty battling a type of cancer and hes 72yrs old. This lady is no where near capable of filling those shoes.

I like how McCain says hes not going to raise your taxes. Its a story your taxes will be raised. Same thing Bush said.

Hes plan does not work, give tax breaks to big corporations and it will trickly down and help the economy. Sounds great.. doesn't work. He wants to give more money to the people who already have all the money... how the h@ll is that going to help the country?

Now lets look at Obamas plan, ... Anyone making less than $150k will get the largest tax break. Thats middle America, you and me. What happens when the middle class has more money? They spend it! Which stimulates the whole economy, not just the already rich. Thats how the economy gets back. I see no flaw is this logic... give me money I will spend it!

If you give that money to the rich, its not going to trickly down to you, its going to sit right in thier bank account with the other millions of dollars they already have.

Whatelse about McCain.. hes Bush for a 3rd term. Hes not happy unless he is in some form of combat. Same with Pilan... thier fighters... So expect us to be 100yrs in the middle east and who knows where else.. Russia maybe.

The lies and cover ups... like I said this guy is doing anything to get elected. Just look at all the stories coming out on Pilan. That was McCains first major decision, and its her? The Troopergate scandal, and the 17yr old daughter pregnancy... btw shes against sex education and for abstinace education... hows that working out for you Mrs. Pilan? Forget to teach that one to your daughter?

I got plenty more... I cannot see how anyone would vote for McCain? I think you are blind and easily fooled if you are for McCain. What little he has said, he has never elaborated on how he is going to accomplish these tasks.

Are you guys even watching this stuff?

[nakomis0]

This is a nice insight..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

(CNN) – Prominent Republican analysts Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy became the latest victims of an open microphone Wednesday, caught after a segment on MSNBC trashing John McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and Murphy, a campaign strategist and onetime aide to John McCain, can both be heard expressing disbelief with the pick of Palin after they apparently thought they were in a commercial break.

“I come out of the blue swing-state governor world, Engler, Whitman, Thompson, Mitt Romney,” Murphy said during the mishap which has since been posted on YouTube. Murphy later flatly says of the pick, "It's not going to work."

Noonan is heard going even further, saying of the presidential race, "It's over."

"I think they went for this — excuse me– political bulls–t about narratives," Noonan also said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."

Murphy, who was a senior adviser to John McCain's 2000 presidential bid, also adds, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."

UPDATE: Writing on the Wall Street Journal Web site, Noonan apologizes for using profanity and says she was not claiming McCain's campaign was "over."

"In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up," she writes. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to [MSNBC's Chuck] Todd — and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" — and I said it more than once — that is what I was referring to."

[Rastus]

Originally posted by nakomis0
You guys are nuts. McCain? Great American and a hero yes. President, no thanks.

The guy tells stories that will never happen, and he will do anything to become president. I'm not even sure where to start with this cause I could type a small novel.

He didn't even have a platform. His current platform is "Change" (wonder where he got that?) He trying so hard to distance himself from Bush, saying how we need get rid of this current goverment and get something new. Ok so change is going to be 1 republican to another?

Than the Pilan thing... there is no way in h@ll she is the best choice for Vp. This was another do anything tactic to get the Hillary votes, and it was a weak attempt. You really want this lady to be the next inline if something happens to McCain? Its very, very possible it could happen the guy has a huge medical history, currenty battling a type of cancer and hes 72yrs old. This lady is no where near capable of filling those shoes.

I like how McCain says hes not going to raise your taxes. Its a story your taxes will be raised. Same thing Bush said.

Hes plan does not work, give tax breaks to big corporations and it will trickly down and help the economy. Sounds great.. doesn't work. He wants to give more money to the people who already have all the money... how the h@ll is that going to help the country?

Now lets look at Obamas plan, ... Anyone making less than $150k will get the largest tax break. Thats middle America, you and me. What happens when the middle class has more money? They spend it! Which stimulates the whole economy, not just the already rich. Thats how the economy gets back. I see no flaw is this logic... give me money I will spend it!

If you give that money to the rich, its not going to trickly down to you, its going to sit right in thier bank account with the other millions of dollars they already have.

Whatelse about McCain.. hes Bush for a 3rd term. Hes not happy unless he is in some form of combat. Same with Pilan... thier fighters... So expect us to be 100yrs in the middle east and who knows where else.. Russia maybe.

The lies and cover ups... like I said this guy is doing anything to get elected. Just look at all the stories coming out on Pilan. That was McCains first major decision, and its her? The Troopergate scandal, and the 17yr old daughter pregnancy... btw shes against sex education and for abstinace education... hows that working out for you Mrs. Pilan? Forget to teach that one to your daughter?

I got plenty more... I cannot see how anyone would vote for McCain? I think you are blind and easily fooled if you are for McCain. What little he has said, he has never elaborated on how he is going to accomplish these tasks.

Are you guys even watching this stuff?



I don't even know where to start... :(

First thing, you bring up Gov. Palin's experience. That's quite funny because she has far and away more than the Dem. presidential nominee himself, he hasn't done anything besides talk and write.

Second, Bush CUT taxes. It's not a Repub. story of taxes being raised, it's a Dem. one. I have looked at the Obamamessiah's tax plan, and like I said earlier my tax rate will double from what it is now. Obama saying 95% of working families will get tax breaks is a pure lie, I've SEEN his plan it will not happen that way, sorry. 150K a year? That's considered rich and you WILL get reamed on taxes. Have you even looked at his plan yourself, or are you just going off hearsay and what Obama and his media friends fill you with? :ermm:


And McCain in combat all the time? :rolleyes: McCain/Palin I would call reformers so far, but fighters, no. And the biggest "scandal" the media could come up with is the troopergate one and her daughter being pregnant? :ermm: Please, there is so much dirt on Obama/Biden that it isn't even funny.

[Cron]

Nakomis,

You really need to do some research and stop feeding off what the media is telling you about tax cuts for 95% of Americans is complete fabrication.

OOOOOOOOK, lets make this simpler yet; if I earn $100.00 and my taxes are $20.00 and my expenses are $45.00 when I am done paying bills I have in my pocket $35.00 of my earnings to spend as I choose. I may buy candy bars benefiting the retailer down the road, the truck driver who delivered them to the retailer, the people working in the candy factory, the research and development people who make better candy bars, the paper manufacturer who made the wrapper, the sugar plantation in some other country that grew the sugar cane, the transport company that delivered the sugar to the factory, the villager who hoed the sugar cane plantation.

The government takes their $20.00 and takes 45% ($9.00) off the top as "Institutional Overhead" which pays to maintain the buildings, pay the staff in Washington, put fuel in Air Force One and the many other expenses of running government. That provides employment to those in government and those who service the infrastructure of government. The remaining $11.00 trickles down through government lets say through HUD. An additional 40% ($4.40) comes off the top to fund the infrastructure and salaries of HUD at the federal level. They send on the remaining $6.60 to the state affiliate who has to pay staff and pay the electric and the remainder that is left gets to someone who is in need of service by HUD. Along the way that $20.00 in tax money has been divide up a lot, so there is some larger economic benefit, but look at the "under privileged recipient at the end of the chain for a minute; for $20.00 of my investment they got a benefit of about $4.00. That is inefficient and my figuring of 20% actually making it to the bottom is probably generous for some agencies.

Now, I could have put $20.00 of my $35.00 disposable income into the plate at Church, written a check to a homeless shelter or donated it to the Red Cross or to an organization that buys goats for starving families in Darfur with the result that my philanthropy would have had a far greater impact at the receiving end. I could have invested my $35.00 in a certificate of deposit in a bank cause my greedy self would like to make 5% more and the bank, those money grubbing capitalists will loan my money to someone buying a house! and charge them interest for heavens sake!! However, the poor sugar farmer wouldnt get as much of my money because I didnt buy more candy bars.

So Obama decides that he will raise my taxes because everyone making over $20.00 is rich. So my tax rate goes up to $40.00, my expenses are still $45.00 which means I now have disposable income of $15.00 with which to buy candy bars. Oh but wait, Obama raised the tax rate on the shop down the street, the delivery company, the factory that makes the candy, the company the delivered the sugar, the company that made the wrapper paper, the company that imported the sugar and put a tariff on the importation of sugar to protect the domestic beet farmers. OOOOHHHH and lets not forget the BIG OIL that had a full 50% of their profits taken after being hit with 40% taxes, and so the cost of fuel and electricity production has escalated as well. Each of these industry components adds a little bit to the candy bar cost and the cost of a bar goes up from .50 cents to .65 cents each. but the profit for each industry is the same. Now I can only buy 23 candy bars where before my taxes and everyone elses went up I could buy 70 candy bars. The Profit for reinvestment is the same regardless of the price of the bar, lets say its .10 cents per bar. The 70 candy bars would have generated $7.00 in investment funds, expansion funds or whatever for the candy company but after everyones taxes rose, the income drops to $2.30. Everyone is poorer but the government and I am less likely to take a large part of my $15.00 and give it to charity so the poor don't get that either.

So who is there left to help the poor, the government which when its done with my $45.00 in taxes gets a whopping $9.00 to the bottom economic tier and eats the remaining $36.00 in costs.

There is nothing as inefficient as government when it comes to processing capital.

[nakomis0]

I was trying not to say anything about her experiance. I said she is not the most capable vp availible and she is not ready.

I have looked at both plans. McCains is going to increase the deficit. He is looking out for the rich. That ain't me. He just has crazy ideas... like.. eliminating unemployment insurance,
or how about taxing health care insurance?

I believe it is the companies contribution to your healthcare that is taxed. SO if your company pays (above your portion) 500.00 a month then your taxable income goes up by 6000.00.So you will be taxed on that $6000. He is not going to raise taxes directly this is the back door policy and double talking!

This is the plan as I understand it right now.

I made a typo error Obamas Plan raises taxes for $250k+ (not 150K, my bad)

So I told you why Obamas plan is going to work (Money to the middle class, middle class do what they do spend money)
I have also told you why McCains plan will not work. (Giving money to the rich and expecting them to share it with the middle class.)

Can I hear how he is going to do anything? You can barely find any info on this guys policy becuase he doesn't have one. Its the same thing as the last 8 yrs. I seen the last 8 yrs, I'm not impressed why would I want 4 more?

[nakomis0]

We will also look like idiots in the eyes of other countries with McCain. McWar is a divider. We need to work with these other nations. Not create respect with fear.

[Cron]

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

You can also cross reference what ntu.org says with the Wall Street Journal.

Obama is not cutting taxes for 95% of Americans. That is not possible.

When Bill Clinton left office, the "rich" (150,000+ AGI) paid 55% of the taxes. Under Bush, the "Rich" in 2006 paid 60% of the total taxes paid in to the government. How did the "Rich" benefit from Bush?

The bottom 50 percent paid 4% in 99 and are down to 2.99% under Bush. They basically pay no tax, so how can you cut their taxes anymore? Ever other tax bracket's burden has increased under Bush except for the bottom 50% of income earners.

People earning 65k and up in 2006 paid 87% of the taxes, top 50% pay 97.01%

So when Obama says that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans, 50% of those hardly pay taxes as it is, and to me 150k is not "rich", but the 5-25% will be hit the hardest.

The best Obama could do is cut taxes for 45% of Americans by making the top 5% make up for their tax breaks. The top 5% pay 60% of the taxes. When is enough enough? You don't think that will have a trickle down effect. The "rich" will begin to cling to their dollars to pay the piper, they sure as hell will not be hiring or investing as much.

Obama wants to raise capital gains taxes. 50% of Americans own a home, right there he is increasing taxes on anyone who owns a home or has a 401(K) or any other retirement savings. You will have higher taxes under Obama. His 95% is pure smoke and mirrors, a red herring.

You are right, we should try and not use force or muscle, lets use appeasement in order to look better to other nations. That worked well in WWII and is working well with Iran and Russia is really respecting diplomacy in Georgia.

Who cares what other nations think? It is the result of jealousy, they will only be happy once they can see us lose our top spot in the world. All these nations look to us for protection on top of it all from the rogue nations that are gaining steam thanks to "diplomacy" and the UN.