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[WhiteZrider]

Well if anyone saw the thread of my dad getting a raptor
http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348460

The thing was soooo clean and barely road, well today he went to ride.. started it..And it was ticking alittle, but it stopped after a few seconds, didnt think anything of it, got on and put it in reverse and heard the sound of metal falling to our garage floor..

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[WhiteZrider]

That's the timing chain

[my88r]

sounds like yamahas:D

[ATVMX905]

Originally posted by my88r
sounds like yamahas:D

haha

[WhiteZrider]

Originally posted by my88r
sounds like yamahas:D

Told him he'd regret it.

Also when he told me I said thats what you get for buying a yamaha -_-

[kfx400rider03]

sucks
now hes back on the eiger thats stuck in 4 wheel drive lol

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by WhiteZrider
Told him he'd regret it.

Also when he told me I said thats what you get for buying a yamaha -_-

BS!! lol.

Most yamaha's ive had have been super reliable, even the banshee. I think they're more reliable then hondas believe it or not. At least I knew my blaster was always going to start. The 400ex is a guessing game. "ahh, it's too cold. I don't feel like starting for you" and it fouls plugs CONSTANTLY when you start it cold a lot.

BUT, the 660's always kinda sucked. Lot's of them had issues, especially the early ones. 2001 was a nightmare. That had to stock transmissions on the shelf because everyone was grenading them. I don't know what yamaha was thinking when they made the 660 the way they did:o

im not a raptor fan at all but my buddy got an 04 with some parts and its a sick quad but once again its a raptor so idk how long its gonna last I heard in 04 and up they fixed all the bugs and ****.

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
BS!! lol.

Most yamaha's ive had have been super reliable, even the banshee. I think they're more reliable then hondas believe it or not. At least I knew my blaster was always going to start. The 400ex is a guessing game. "ahh, it's too cold. I don't feel like starting for you" and it fouls plugs CONSTANTLY when you start it cold a lot.

BUT, the 660's always kinda sucked. Lot's of them had issues, especially the early ones. 2001 was a nightmare. That had to stock transmissions on the shelf because everyone was grenading them. I don't know what yamaha was thinking when they made the 660 the way they did:o

They were only blowing out 1st and 2nd gear.

The 2001 660's really werent that horrible. They had thier problems, but so does every quad in the first year its out.

Im calling bull **** on your banshee being more reliable than your 400ex. Maybe you dont have your 400ex jetted right and thats why its fouling out plugs, or it could just be the rider.:chinese:

My 440 starts (with no choke) in 5 degree wether after pumping the throttle about 3 times and hitting the button. Just gotta give her enough gas to keep it running and she'll do just fine.

Id love to see your banshee start in 5 degree weather.:scary:

[TRUE]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
They were only blowing out 1st and 2nd gear.

The 2001 660's really werent that horrible. They had thier problems, but so does every quad in the first year its out.

Im calling bull **** on your banshee being more reliable than your 400ex. Maybe you dont have your 400ex jetted right and thats why its fouling out plugs, or it could just be the rider.:chinese:

My 440 starts (with no choke) in 5 degree wether after pumping the throttle about 3 times and hitting the button. Just gotta give her enough gas to keep it running and she'll do just fine.

Id love to see your banshee start in 5 degree weather.:scary:

5 degree weather in sunny florida?

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by TRUE
5 degree weather in sunny florida?

Moonlight rides in the dead of winter. You bet your arse.

And it isnt always sunny here. It rained like a mofo yesterday....:(
My track got 7 different kinds of effed up.:chinese:

[dirtbike&quad]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
BS!! lol.

Most yamaha's ive had have been super reliable, even the banshee. I think they're more reliable then hondas believe it or not. At least I knew my blaster was always going to start. The 400ex is a guessing game. "ahh, it's too cold. I don't feel like starting for you" and it fouls plugs CONSTANTLY when you start it cold a lot.

BUT, the 660's always kinda sucked. Lot's of them had issues, especially the early ones. 2001 was a nightmare. That had to stock transmissions on the shelf because everyone was grenading them. I don't know what yamaha was thinking when they made the 660 the way they did:o

youre an idiot. check your jetting if youre fouling plugs in a 400ex. you should never

[TRUE]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Moonlight rides in the dead of winter. You bet your arse.

And it isnt always sunny here. It rained like a mofo yesterday....:(
My track got 7 different kinds of effed up.:chinese:

lol what??:p
r u referring yourself as moonlight or:blah:


i love them yamaha's but wish they were built stronger.

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by TRUE
lol what??:p
r u referring yourself as moonlight or:blah:


i love them yamaha's but wish they were built stronger.

Haha, naw..I was saying that I ride by the moonlight on some winter nights, b/c I just like riding on full moon nights. And sometimes those night can get rediculously cold (for Florida).

So far, we havent had a single problem out of my dads 700, and its an 06 (first year of them). I think Yamaha hit the nail pretty square on the head with this one.:)

[yellow05ex]

Id like to see that start up with no choke at 5 degrees. My 05 when I had it wouldnt start for **** if it was anywhere near cold without the choke. Its a pretty common cold blooded thing with hondas from my experience

[416exfreak]

Accelerator pump. Pump the throttle about three times, so it skeets some gas into the carb and hit the button. Its a little hard to get it to start, but it starts and stay running once I get a little heat into it.

Im not saying she starts up like a normal summer day...but she starts decently easy. Not like hondamaster5055 is making it out to be.:ermm:

Could be my VTEC too though...:devil: :blah: :macho

[WatersRacing]

Im not gonna jump in on the argument about when they start, but I do feel the new raptor is a really good bike. We used to race the old raptor 660 in the BITD series. We've won Vegas to Reno on it, but we constantly had problems. Rode the 700 and it was a huge change. Didn't have to worry about the front end coming up constantly like the 660. Ours still did that even with an extended swingarm. I wouldn't have thought about riding MX on the 660, but it was a surprisingly nice ride on the 700.

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
They were only blowing out 1st and 2nd gear.

The 2001 660's really werent that horrible. They had thier problems, but so does every quad in the first year its out.

Im calling bull **** on your banshee being more reliable than your 400ex. Maybe you dont have your 400ex jetted right and thats why its fouling out plugs, or it could just be the rider.:chinese:

My 440 starts (with no choke) in 5 degree wether after pumping the throttle about 3 times and hitting the button. Just gotta give her enough gas to keep it running and she'll do just fine.

Id love to see your banshee start in 5 degree weather.:scary:

no no no, i never said the banshee was more reliable! I guess it's the way i typed that it looked that way. i said the banshee has even been super reliable, nevermind all the other yamaha's weve had.

And about the jetting, im still running stock jetting with the exhaust. Never got around to jetting it because it runs so damn good the way it is. SOmething about the dual headers makes it run way less lean the other exhaust's. So if anything its lean, it shouldn't be fouling plugs as much as it does. They usually last a while, but then one day ill go to start it and it wont rev up or anything cuz of the damn plug.

We've already started the banshee in 15 degree weather with 3 kicks and the choke:D Thats not BS. So many people give banshee's bad names because they dont know what they're doing and screw up the engine. Then people see a poor running banshee and think its the quad. My dads is tuned so well and such, weve yet to have ONE problem with it since weve bought it. (accept eating bearing like crazy:mad: )

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Accelerator pump. Pump the throttle about three times, so it skeets some gas into the carb and hit the button. Its a little hard to get it to start, but it starts and stay running once I get a little heat into it.

Im not saying she starts up like a normal summer day...but she starts decently easy. Not like hondamaster5055 is making it out to be.:ermm:

Could be my VTEC too though...:devil: :blah: :macho

No, with the choke, mine starts amazingly easy. but if the plug is just ever so slightly fouled, it makes it that much harder.

[416exfreak]

Ok, your contradicting yourself.

If you added an aftermarket exhaust and didnt rejet, then its running lean, so there is no way that its fouling out the plugs.

You could be burning the plugs, which is probably whats happening, and your ruining your engine. But hey, your quad...if you want to keep running it like it is and not just take half an hour to re-jet it, then when it finally melts down one day, youll be sorry.;)

[greenblood01]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Accelerator pump. Pump the throttle about three times, so it skeets some gas into the carb and hit the button. Its a little hard to get it to start, but it starts and stay running once I get a little heat into it.

Im not saying she starts up like a normal summer day...but she starts decently easy. Not like hondamaster5055 is making it out to be.:ermm:

Could be my VTEC too though...:devil: :blah: :macho


Like down skeet skeet skeet? haha

[greenblood01]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
no no no, i never said the banshee was more reliable! I guess it's the way i typed that it looked that way. i said the banshee has even been super reliable, nevermind all the other yamaha's weve had.

And about the jetting, im still running stock jetting with the exhaust. Never got around to jetting it because it runs so damn good the way it is. SOmething about the dual headers makes it run way less lean the other exhaust's. So if anything its lean, it shouldn't be fouling plugs as much as it does. They usually last a while, but then one day ill go to start it and it wont rev up or anything cuz of the damn plug.

We've already started the banshee in 15 degree weather with 3 kicks and the choke:D Thats not BS. So many people give banshee's bad names because they dont know what they're doing and screw up the engine. Then people see a poor running banshee and think its the quad. My dads is tuned so well and such, weve yet to have ONE problem with it since weve bought it. (accept eating bearing like crazy:mad: )

If your dad's banshee is tuned so amazingly well, why don't you tune you're 400ex so you don't foul plugs and cause starting problems?

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Ok, your contradicting yourself.

If you added an aftermarket exhaust and didnt rejet, then its running lean, so there is no way that its fouling out the plugs.

You could be burning the plugs, which is probably whats happening, and your ruining your engine. But hey, your quad...if you want to keep running it like it is and not just take half an hour to re-jet it, then when it finally melts down one day, youll be sorry.;)

No, trust me, it actually runs pretty damn good. And when im riding, the plug looks great after. Just when I cold start it just to let it run a lot it fouls.

I'm not burning plugs. Believe me, im a stickler for things being right. I was planning on jetting it right away, but it ran so good that I figured id do it at some point in the future, since it really isn't that bad.
Because of the dual headers, it get's rid of that "lean condition" you get with the 2-1 headers. If you look at DMC's jetting recomendations, i think they say a 152 main, which isnt that much at all for a full system.

Plus, I made a couple attempts to go pickup jets, but they said I need to have my old jets to match them up...:confused: They couldv;e easily looked it up.

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by greenblood01
If your dad's banshee is tuned so amazingly well, why don't you tune you're 400ex so you don't foul plugs and cause starting problems?

He didn't tune his banshee:D The guy who owned it before him dropped it off at yamaha, with a bunch of money, and said make her fast. Yamaha actually dyno-tuned it.

My 400ex runs great. like i said, it doesnt like to cold start in the winter just to run, i guess if i actually rode it every time i start it up, i wouldn't have problems.

[416exfreak]

Regardless of what you do when you start it up, a 400ex shouldnt be fouling out plugs all the time.

And I dont see it running rich if you didnt re-jet after installing a full system. And also, how in the hell does the design of the header influence how rich or lean the quad is running?

Explain that for me please, b/c in my time of working around race engines, Ive never heard such a thing.:ermm:

[hondarider101]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
BS!! lol.

Most yamaha's ive had have been super reliable, even the banshee. I think they're more reliable then hondas believe it or not. At least I knew my blaster was always going to start. The 400ex is a guessing game. "ahh, it's too cold. I don't feel like starting for you" and it fouls plugs CONSTANTLY when you start it cold a lot.

BUT, the 660's always kinda sucked. Lot's of them had issues, especially the early ones. 2001 was a nightmare. That had to stock transmissions on the shelf because everyone was grenading them. I don't know what yamaha was thinking when they made the 660 the way they did:o


thats weird every honda i have had would start in 20 degree cold very easily.

[416exfreak]

Lol, I just realized that we turned whiteZ's thread into a thread of bashing hondamaster on his inablilty to tune engines...lol.:blah:

Sorry whiteZrider.:)

[XXXRACER165]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Lol, I just realized that we turned whiteZ's thread into a thread of bashing hondamaster on his inablilty to tune engines...lol

LOL is right. The most reliable yamaha is there no longer made Blaster. The most reliable Honda is there old ATCs and 300EXs.

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by XXXRACER165
LOL is right. The most reliable yamaha is there no longer made Blaster. The most reliable Honda is there old ATCs and 300EXs.

Opinions are like arseholes...everyone has one, and noone wants to know about yours.:blah:

J/k man.:)

[my88r]

Originally posted by XXXRACER165
. The most reliable Honda is there old ATCs and 300EXs.

this statement is true. not the other.

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by 416exfreak
Regardless of what you do when you start it up, a 400ex shouldnt be fouling out plugs all the time.

And I dont see it running rich if you didnt re-jet after installing a full system. And also, how in the hell does the design of the header influence how rich or lean the quad is running?

Explain that for me please, b/c in my time of working around race engines, Ive never heard such a thing.:ermm:

I don't know. It was actually zrpilot or GPracer that told me. Something in the design on the header.

And I exagerated on fouling plugs all the time. But it does foul them more ofter then my dads warrior used to.


And to whoever said the blaster is the most reliable yamaha, no, it isnt. Blasters are very reliable, but i think yamahas most reliable quad was the warrior. Literally bulletproof is all i have to say about them.

and sorry whiteZrider

[Hondamaster5505]

And as far as my own mechanical experience, ive actually had to teach some adults on how to fix stuff. Im very good with maintaining my ATV's and working on them. Just finished splitting my banshee's case today..

ughh, broken crank bearing, melted left piston, and a chewed up head. Yup, the guys before me were idiots.

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
I don't know. It was actually zrpilot or GPracer that told me. Something in the design on the header.

And I exagerated on fouling plugs all the time. But it does foul them more ofter then my dads warrior used to.


And to whoever said the blaster is the most reliable yamaha, no, it isnt. Blasters are very reliable, but i think yamahas most reliable quad was the warrior. Literally bulletproof is all i have to say about them.

and sorry whiteZrider

Im going to agree with you on the warrior statement...those things are damn near bullet-proof. The only thing I could see being a difference in say, your DMC header and my Yoshi header, would be that since yours doesnt collect into one pipe, maybe it would have less back pressure. But I still dont see how that would affect jetting...

[yellow400ex05]

sucks on what happened to the Raptor!

it sucks too his first sport quad since his lt250r. Well is there any chance if he sells this one he will get another sport quad maybe a Honda or Suzuki?:ermm:

[416exfreak]

Tell him to pick up a 700. Its a completely different machine from the 660.

And a huge upgrade!:)

[krt400ex]

Originally posted by ******101
im not a raptor fan at all but my buddy got an 04 with some parts and its a sick quad but once again its a raptor so idk how long its gonna last I heard in 04 and up they fixed all the bugs and ****.

im not a Craptor fan either...lol

[WhiteZrider]

Originally posted by 416exfreak


Sorry whiteZrider.:)

It's alright hah. He said he wanted to fix it, I said nah, buy a suzuki :P

[BlaineKaiser450]

this thread is hilarious

[300exkid123]

Originally posted by WhiteZrider
It's alright hah. He said he wanted to fix it, I said nah, buy a suzuki :P

X2

and as for hondamaster i had a 440ex that would start in the snow no problem and never fouled a plug in 4 years of riding it