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double00
05-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Going to the sands duns in two weeks. Has any one figure out how to put paddle tires on the back . No one makes a 11in. paddle

troybilt
05-08-2008, 07:18 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Can you run a wide offset wheel and use 10" wheels? I haven't looked closely at a 700xx, but I was thinking about this problem, if I were to buy one. I was thinking they went with the 11" wheel to maintain a certain width, but allow the aarms to as long as possible, which helps in suspension travel, etc... In the dunes, width isn't an issue so possibly a wider offset wheel might clear. I dunno, just my thoughts. Post some pics of the rear end up close, I may be way off.

supersick300ex
05-08-2008, 07:40 PM
Pretty sure you won't be able to do anything untill somone comes out with the right size of rim, we have been searching for somthing to work to, my dad really wants to get some GNCC's on his

double00
05-08-2008, 11:49 PM
I found some ITP C-Series type 6 ,12in wheel x 7in wide on 4/144 and the right offset used on a big wheel kit for the frt of a 450R ,BUTT the only have one. Called skat and they cant even make them in an 11in. I tried a 10in wheel with a 4in offset to inside and the did hit the arms a little bit. No one makes a 10 x 8 with a 4/144 bolt pattern. Iam going to try a 10in x8 3in back space ITP wheel, T-9 (not the pro series) with a 4/143 pattern turn it 90% and redrill it to 4/144, I think it might work untill they come out with something. I called ITP ,they said it would be about 4-5 mouths before they have a wheel,There going to stick out a little more.

troybilt
05-09-2008, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by double00
I found some ITP C-Series type 6 ,12in wheel x 7in wide on 4/144 and the right offset used on a big wheel kit for the frt of a 450R ,BUTT the only have one. Called skat and they cant even make them in an 11in. I tried a 10in wheel with a 4in offset to inside and the did hit the arms a little bit. No one makes a 10 x 8 with a 4/144 bolt pattern. Iam going to try a 10in x8 3in back space ITP wheel, T-9 (not the pro series) with a 4/143 pattern turn it 90% and redrill it to 4/144, I think it might work untill they come out with something. I called ITP ,they said it would be about 4-5 mouths before they have a wheel,There going to stick out a little more.

Keep us posted. Thanks.

roundsy
05-10-2008, 09:49 AM
quick question...is the bolt pattern 144 for both front and rear?

if so ITP does make a dune edition c-series rim in 12" and 22-8-12 front sand stars with 22-11-12 rear sand stars I saw some on a site a while back and also in a dirtwheels issue where they did a raptor 700r for the dunes...I will see if i can find the site or look up the exact specs in the DW mag

edit: its the january 06 DW issue

double00
05-10-2008, 12:26 PM
Yes, The frt. and rear bolt pattern are 4/144 I think they would work if the rear is 4/144

OzLinc
05-14-2008, 10:42 PM
You could get a Hiper in 10 x 8 with 3" in and 5" out offset........

It wouldn't be the cheapest wheel in the world but I would expect it to work and be about +2.5" wider each side.

Because the Hiper wheel is a 3 piece wheel you can mix and match the parts to get what you want.

With a a set of a-arms this setup would be awesome.

scuzz
05-19-2008, 09:58 PM
Anyone wanna link me to some, I really need to test out my 700XX in some nice steep dunes.

THANKS!

double00
05-19-2008, 11:10 PM
I took some old 10x8 large bell rims that had a 136 bolt pattern turn them and redrilled them to 144, got some 22x11x10 sandstars and I thing there going to work great. They stick a little bit .Going this thur.day

troybilt
05-20-2008, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by double00
I took some old 10x8 large bell rims that had a 136 bolt pattern turn them and redrilled them to 144, got some 22x11x10 sandstars and I thing there going to work great. They stick a little bit .Going this thur.day


Can you post some pics? I thought 10 inchers with wide offset would work. Also, keep us posted on how she runs in the dunes.

scuzz
05-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by troybilt
Can you post some pics? I thought 10 inchers with wide offset would work. Also, keep us posted on how she runs in the dunes.

Yes please do. If you have trouble or don't know how to do so let me know and I'll help you.

I'm VERY interested in this as I still have some Sand Sharks left over from my 400EX.

double00
05-20-2008, 09:27 PM
I have some pictures but they will not go into this system. If you would like to see them send me your email address

double00
05-20-2008, 09:28 PM
picture 1

double00
05-20-2008, 09:30 PM
pic2

double00
05-20-2008, 09:31 PM
pic3

scuzz
05-20-2008, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by scuzz
Yes please do. If you have trouble or don't know how to do so let me know and I'll help you.

I'm VERY interested in this as I still have some Sand Sharks left over from my 400EX.

I love it!

I see you had to remove the mud scrapers...

What size are those rims and tires again? Did you paint your spark arrestor? Would you mind posting up how you did it? I'm concerned I'll screw it up. Also where did you get them from? I need to order these and get them in and on in lesss than two weeks.

Send pics to gary_waddle at yahoo dot com.

Thanks!

scuzz
05-28-2008, 07:15 AM
OK, so at 1:10 this morning, I just finished doing this for mine.

WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASPIRIN!

First off measureing, re-measureing and then measuring again isn't enough. Measure a 12th time just so you can post that you did.

Secondly AND MOST IMPORTANTLY you need to put spacers, or washers in between the rim and the hub or you get a cartoonish wobble out of the wheels. I have no idea why the original poster didn't mention that other than I think he just mounted them and never looked back. As a result, I'm willing to bet my big toe that when aftermarket wheels come out they will have the "clover" pattern cut-out of the center of the wheels like the stockers. I digress...

So now I have to load everything up and get it ready for my trip to Mississippi. I'm bringing the stock wheels just in case. Also the rims stick out, which shouldn't make it a bad thing in the sand, but it's wider than you think.

I'm too tired and pissed off to take pictures right now, and if I did most would have me giving the middle finger to whatever I was photographing. I will though, especially if it saves someone else the headache I just went through.


Thanks for reading.

double00
05-28-2008, 07:01 PM
I got back from the dunes, paddle tires work great, 700 needs more power. I got my *** kicked by an banshee with a girl on the back. Worked over YFZ 450 could beat me pretty good. Sounds like you made it to hard. Need to start with a wheel with a center bigger than 3 3/4 to clear the rips on the hub or cut the centers out a little. I took and old 400ex frt hub centered it in the hub, marked it and drilled it.If you dont have an hub use your 700 . pop out the studs and use it for an pattern and drill. You have to use a different lug nut a flat nut not the tapper ones that come with the honda.Took me 30-44 min

Lococoin
05-28-2008, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by double00
I got back from the dunes, paddle tires work great, 700 needs more power. I got my *** kicked by an banshee with a girl on the back. Worked over YFZ 450 could beat me pretty good. Sounds like you made it to hard. Need to start with a wheel with a center bigger than 3 3/4 to clear the rips on the hub or cut the centers out a little. I took and old 400ex frt hub centered it in the hub, marked it and drilled it.If you dont have an hub use your 700 . pop out the studs and use it for an pattern and drill. You have to use a different lug nut a flat nut not the tapper ones that come with the honda.Took me 30-44 min

Hi,

Im curious as to why you are running the sand stars backwards? They are marked Left and Right after the sizing and i see you have the left on the right side.

thanks

double00
05-28-2008, 10:30 PM
I thought that too,but there right, The new tires they changed the pattern . My old ones were different pattern.

scuzz
05-29-2008, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by double00
I got back from the dunes, paddle tires work great, 700 needs more power. I got my *** kicked by an banshee with a girl on the back. Worked over YFZ 450 could beat me pretty good. Sounds like you made it to hard. Need to start with a wheel with a center bigger than 3 3/4 to clear the rips on the hub or cut the centers out a little. I took and old 400ex frt hub centered it in the hub, marked it and drilled it.If you dont have an hub use your 700 . pop out the studs and use it for an pattern and drill. You have to use a different lug nut a flat nut not the tapper ones that come with the honda.Took me 30-44 min

Good thinking!

I bought the first 10" off of Craigs list I coulld find with the righ backspacing, nevermind the center hole. I have a lot to learn....

I go riding sunday....

Lococoin
05-29-2008, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by double00
I thought that too,but there right, The new tires they changed the pattern . My old ones were different pattern.

Ya you are right. Im now confused about the L and the R on the tires. I thought that meant left and right but i see your direction arrow is right. Im running the 20x11-9s and the tread pattern is exactly the opposite of yours.

If you look at this pic it shows the R after the sizing and the tread is opposite of yours.

http://www.itptires.com/images/06products/sandstar_lg.jpg

troybilt
05-30-2008, 06:44 AM
I'm running the same ITP's and mine are like the picture. Maybe they mis-printed the tires. Probably doesn't matter anyway.

EDIT: Good looking 700xx BTW!

roundsy
05-30-2008, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Lococoin

http://www.itptires.com/images/06products/sandstar_lg.jpg

if you look at the sizing of those tires, they are the ones i was talking about earlier that use the 12" rims, you would buy two sets of front rims though instead of the rear rims

D Bergstrom
05-30-2008, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by roundsy
if you look at the sizing of those tires, they are the ones i was talking about earlier that use the 12" rims, you would buy two sets of front rims though instead of the rear rims

Problem is, front wheels are only 5" wide, to narrow to mount a 10" to 11" wide paddle tire on.

Doug

roundsy
05-31-2008, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by D Bergstrom
Problem is, front wheels are only 5" wide, to narrow to mount a 10" to 11" wide paddle tire on.

Doug

I could be wrong but I do believe I read that both front and rear rims are 12x7...its just the offset and bolt pattern that are different

Motofool250r
05-31-2008, 10:28 AM
i know in the past that skat trak shaved down any tire youwant and put paddles on it but you had to send them the tires.

so maybe you can just send them a set of stockers and have them shave em down.


and why wont a 12" diameter wheel fit the 700xx we ran 12" on a few bikes that would solve clearance issues being another inch bigger. maybe have to redrill them though.


you could also get wheel spacers for honda bolt pattern and run 10" honda bolt pattern wheels with 1-2" spacers

scuzz
06-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Mounted mine up:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/100_7215.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/100_7214.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/100_7213.jpg

scuzz
06-03-2008, 10:27 AM
BTW, they are now for sale....

$350 plus shipping for the rears and the fronts.

theath363
06-13-2008, 02:53 PM
ok i need help...I just traded in my Ltr450 for the 700xx and i have a brand new set of rims and tires for the ltr. Any way i can get rims to fit my paddles and my 700xx

Tires are 20 x 11-10 sand stars
Rims are ss chrome and black.

rims are not even close to fitting on my new ride.

troybilt
06-13-2008, 02:55 PM
Get spacers made... or can the ss wheels be redrilled?

theath363
06-13-2008, 02:58 PM
Cant redrill but spacers may be an option. Who can make?

troybilt
06-13-2008, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by theath363
Cant redrill but spacers may be an option. Who can make?

Wouldn't be hard to design them, just need some job-shop to machine them for you. Shouldn't cost much.

scuzz
06-16-2008, 08:23 AM
Take some pics, we wanna seeeeeeee.

:)

troybilt
06-16-2008, 09:45 AM
What's the bolt pattern on the rear? I don't remember. 4X144??

troybilt
06-16-2008, 10:05 AM
Nevermind...

Another thought, you could get 4X144 1" spacers from Durablue or any other spacers and index 90, 45 degrees or whereever and redrill the holes at the 4x110 or 4x143 bolt spacing whatever your wheels are, press the studs out and repress in the new holes you just drilled. Probably need to counter sink the holes for the studs too, but should be pretty easy with a drill press.

just and idea.
EDIT:
something like these: http://www.durablue.com/prods_wheel_spacers.shtml

Need to makesure the spacers are thick enough to go from 4x144 to 4x110 and still have material to drill and press studs into.

troybilt
06-16-2008, 10:12 AM
Found these guys on ebay. They might be able to make the conversion spacers for you: (I don't know)

http://stores.ebay.com/Datin-Fabrication-4x4-and-off-road_wheel-spacers_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ18420662QQftidZ2QQt Zkm

theath363
06-16-2008, 11:00 AM
thanks, sent them an email on ebay...the spacers above wont quite work. Need them to be removable and use stock rims as well. Will let you guys know asap if it works.

troybilt
06-16-2008, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by theath363
thanks, sent them an email on ebay...the spacers above wont quite work. Need them to be removable and use stock rims as well. Will let you guys know asap if it works.

You would just unbolt the spacers from the hubs to go back to stock. The studs that are pressed in are the ones you'd mount the wheels to when the spacers are bolted on.

I just installed a set of custom spacers on my rzr. Little different situation but they make them for 4x156 to 4x110 on rzr, can find those on ebay no-problem. I'm proposing the samething, only 4X144 to 4X110 or whatever you need for your particular wheels.

Laterz.