StuntCock Racing's Project Black Final Build Sheet

[Benjithx]

We are just waiting for a few more things...like the motor. So here we go


It was purchased from a member of this forum (Raw450r). It had some light mods including some engine work and reworked shocks.

Let me know what you guys think.

BEFORE

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture041black.jpg

AFTER
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[Benjithx]

We first went to Pro Armor and ordered almost everything in their catalog.

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Fox Floats and Podium with DSC matched up with all the goodies from Walsh made for an amazing suspension setup

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[Benjithx]

Axle was next along with some chain and sprocket upgrades. Team RPM and Krause Racing (Sidewinder)

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture080.jpg

We needed to change up the look of this beast and a call to Quadtech made it happen

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/gpr15.jpg

Back to Team RPM for a Billet Tapered Carrier and Anti Fade along with a new brake setup from Galfer

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[Benjithx]

Keeping things cool is a PWR Race Radiator

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[Benjithx]

Flexx bars are a must for any toy and we also popped for a GPR steering stabilizer with remote adjustment.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture003.jpg
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[Benjithx]

An ARC Clutch Perch/Lever setup is one of the nicest pieces on this build, Can't wait for them to design a matching brake lever.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture012.jpg

Wheels and tires are a big deal in terms of performance and the look of a build.

We went with OMF Scalloped Bead lock Wheels with Billet centers. We chose to run Kenda Stickylite MX tires to get the power to the ground


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[Benjithx]

This bike is well deserving of a one-off set of graphics so we went to G4 Graphics

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[Benjithx]

Here is the build sheet

Chassis | Suspension | Controls:

Frame: PC Black
A Arms: Walsh Flow LT
Swingarm: Walsh +1.5
Steering Stem: Walsh +1
Stabilizer: GPR
Axle: Team RPM Race Hub Dominator
Carrier: Team RPM Tapered
Locknut: Team RPM
Hubs F|R: PC Black
Bars: Fasst Co. Flexx
Throttle/Clutch Lever: Pro Armor Throttle Plate/ ARC Clutch lever
Grips: Oury
Nerfs: Pro Armor PowerGRIP
Bumper: Pro Armor
Grab Bar: Pro Armor
Front Shocks: Fox Evol DSC LT w/Quadtech CF guards
Rear Shock: Fox Podium DSC LT
Brake Lines: Galfer Black
Rotors F|R: Galfer Wave
Rims F|R: OMF Beadlock
Tires F|R: Kenda MX (Sticky)

Body:

Plastic: Quadtech CF hood
Graphics|Seat Cover: Custom (G4), Quadtech
Bar Pad: Fasst Co

Engine|Drive System:

Cylinder|Head: Dasa porting and valve job
Displacement: 480cc
Cam: HRC
Air Filter|Box: Pro Design
Pipe|Silencer: Dasa
Gearing F|R: 14/38
CDI|Killswitch: TT/CRF Pro Armor
Cooling: PWR Radiator
Other: Sidewinder Chain and Sprockets, Pro Armor Billet accessories, Powder Coating

[Benjithx]

That is pretty much it. Here it is all together missing only a motor and exhaust. We couldn't be any happier with how it turned out. Project Black is one hell of a Quad!!!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture015-1.jpg

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A quad as insanley nice as that and you kept stock front fenders! Doesn't that warning plate squad molded into fenders drive you insane??

[Benjithx]

lol, We looked at a lot of plastic options, but just kept coming back to the OEM Blacks...and besides the warning labels are there for our safty:devil:

[ghott]

Killer build...and very well documented!

[pro-rider46]

wow well done!

what are your plans for this when its done

[A4ican]

Looks Amazing good work. would look better with a motor however

I would have to say one of my favorite 450rs on this this site. you did an amazing job using top of the line parts and getting everything what pipe are you using?

[Benjithx]

Thanks!!!

Dasa Classic or w/Joe Bryd Header

In the nerfs/pegs/heel guards alone there is over 700 dollars. I'd love to see the final price w/o machine price included.

[fasterblaster89]

Thats SICK!!! What was the final price?

[riverhonda]

wow turned out really nice
amazing 450r

[Civicssuck]

Very very nice...................where the hell do you guys get your money!?!?

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by pro-rider46
wow well done!

What are your plans for this when it’s done

Probably enter it in Pro Armor's Quad of the Month and then beat the dog sh** out of it. :devil:

The nerf bars/pegs are worth every penny, amazing to ride on!

Price...yea:huh You guys probably have an idea. Let’s just say "a bunch"

[Dave400ex]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Price...yea:huh You guys probably have an idea. Let’s just say "a bunch"

I know EXCATLY what you mean. :D

[Benjithx]

Lol, Yes you do

[red_rider_069]

ll nice beast.. im getting a little jelious haha.. i been looking through the threads.. and i think yours is one of the best.. but i have plans to do extreme 2009 makeover to a 450.. we'll see how the sponsers go an i'll see how close i can get to yours =).. good luck on quad of the month..!:macho

[07trx400ex]

The sickest build I have seen yet. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Scro]

I don't normally like all black quads, but the grey graphics and carbon fibers accents make this thing beautiful. Good job:macho

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by Scro
I don't normally like all black quads, but the grey graphics and carbon fibers accents make this thing beautiful. Good job:macho

I'm with you. All black can look very bad, but a few extras in there can really set it off. I am really happy with how it turned out.


Originally posted by 07trx400ex
The sickest build I have seen yet. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Wow, Now that is nice to hear. Thanks :)


I knew I had been dropping the ball not posting enough pics of this build, so hopefully I did better this time.

[04TRX400EX]

Originally posted by Scro
I don't normally like all black quads, but the grey graphics and carbon fibers accents make this thing beautiful. Good job:macho

x2

Thanks for the step-by-step pictures and the total rundown of parts used. Seeing a quad like yours give me lots of ideas and inspiration for my upcoming 450R.

Awesome quad. Be sure to post some more pics and ride info once you get the engine back :macho

What made you decide to go Fox over Pep, Axis, etc. ?

[Benjithx]

Thanks.

Went with Fox for the level of adjustability. I believe in fine tuning a setup to make a rider faster and Fox Floats with DSC were a no brainer. I have no issues with PEP or Axis, just prefer Fox. I would like to try the Air Axis setup to see how it compares, but have no plans on going with anyone other than Fox.

Motor is still a couple weeks out. DASA needed to get some bends in to finish up a run of pipes and then this pig will makes some noise again. :devil:

I am happy that this build is inspiring others as many of other builds have inspired me:)

[gpd005]

I am totally blown away with this build! Great job and once you drop that motor in there we want some action shots!!!!!

[Benjithx]

There will plenty more pics… that I promise.

We decided to go with DASA's 99db pipe because StuntCock Racing supports responsible riding which includes noise control.


I think you guys will agree with that decision :rolleyes:

[fastredrider44]

Looks good. One problem. Some of the things that are factory black powdercoat, will chip quickly. I'm sure you have a good Powdercoater that you keep busy though. The Axis Air shocks are good shocks. If I was riding two identical bikes and the shocks were covered, I don't think I could pick out one from the other. Bike looks mighty good!

[Pojo450r]

nice clutch perch is it same as asv?

[One_Bad_400]

bike looks amazing
:blah:

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by Pojo450r
nice clutch perch is it same as asv?

Nope, ARC much nicer IMO

www.ARClevers.com

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by fastredrider44
Looks good. One problem. Some of the things that are factory black powdercoat, will chip quickly. I'm sure you have a good Powdercoater that you keep busy though. The Axis Air shocks are good shocks. If I was riding two identical bikes and the shocks were covered, I don't think I could pick out one from the other. Bike looks mighty good!

The motor should be in next week and I am going to powdercoat some of the various items on it. I am thinking valve cover, clutch cover, etc. If someone has any ideas or pics for the motor let me know. I don't want to take the head off so its staying raw.

[IOWAracer]

coat the oil filter cover and impellar cover

BB

[Benjithx]

Good idea, I will probably do the engine mount brackets as well.

[Benjithx]

Pulled her out of the shop for the first time in a long time. Should have the motor this week.

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That thing is SWEET! I can't wait to see it with a motor and pipe.

Great job!

[Dave400ex]

Is that PC on the frame and arms stealth or gloss?

[Benjithx]

Gloss that could use some cleaning:o

[Benjithx]

This thing really needs the matching Brake Lever from ARC.

Hurry up Bob!!! jk

[A4ican]

Bump for an update. Did you get your motor in yet? How does it sound?

[Benjithx]

...Nope still looks like this

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture0501000x667.jpg

[Benjithx]

Opened up the carb last night to see what was in there. (Remember that this quad was bought used with a 480kit already installed.)

I just had some DASA head porting done and figured I would bump the jetting up a bit or at least order some jets just incase.

How I bought it=
480cc
No lid/ Pro Design Intake/filter
12.5:1 CR
HRC Cam
Very Light Porting
Rossier full Exhaust

As it sits now=
480cc
No lid/ Pro Design Intake/filter
12.5:1 CR
HRC Cam
DASA Porting
DASA full Exhaust

I wasn't 100% what I was looking for last night , but it must not have had the HRC needle, because the Pilot was a 50 and the Main was only a 182.

Any suggestions or thoughts on this? Thanks

What class are you going to run this in with the 480 kit?

[Benjithx]

I don't race, but if I decided to, I would have another DASA 450cc motor built for it.

There is a new track being built near by that I am amped to try out.

[Benjithx]

Got a Cooler from the DASA boys. Unfortunately it was not full of beer, but I was happy to see our motor again.

DASA did a valve job and their signature porting.

For some reason I forgot to take a pic of the porting work, but it does look very nice!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture002.jpg

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Shortly after getting everything mounted up I removed some parts for powder coating.

I sent out the:

Clutch Cover
Oil Filter Cover
Impeller Cover
Thermastat housing
Kick start lever
Tensioner Lifter
Valve Cover

[pro-rider46]

sweetness, your parts that are getting powdercoated are simliar to mine, i got my water pump cover, thermostat cover, clutch cover, valve cover, and oil filter cover all powedercoated in a candy blue, and my engine will be back tommorrow from DRG!!!:macho. so i will get pics of the engine up on here, and i may have my quad rideable by this weekend, so im super excited.

so, Ben when will you be able to ride this beast?

[Benjithx]

Lol!

I saw your thread to Pap and took your idea :devil: Muhahahaha!

[tank69]

Using a cooler to ship your motor is one great idea! Oh yeah, the quad is kinda cool as well. :D

Haha you don't race but you just built one of the sickest quads I have ever seen to look at? Man I wish I had that kind of money. Oh can you give me some feedback on the fox fronts and rear because i am thinking about that set up with houser instead of walsh parts.

[Benjithx]

LOL!!! Yea, I guess I went over board with it...

The Fox Floats with DSC are awesome. I love the adjustability and would highly suggest them. StuntCock may build a Rhino next and I will certainly be in touch with the Fox guys because they are sick.

You will love them!!! Match them with Walsh Arms and a swinger if you can.



Steve, couple weeks before she will start making noise...hopefully

Oh so your pretty much going to be just riding on tracks but never racing with this thing? Yea i would use walsh but they are just too much and I have been using
houser for everything I have built and love them. Are you like the owner of that stuntcock thing and what exactly is it?

[Benjithx]

Yea, something like that.

and yes I am the founder of StuntCock Racing. We make apparel for the off-road community and should have a full line out next year. I can't go on too much because we are not yet a site sponsor and it is not fair to Harlan and the guys to use his site without paying.

Here is a sample of what’s to come...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Blacktattootee.jpg

[Benjithx]

Got the wiring figured out. Got the clutch setup. Waiting for jets, powder coating, and a pipe.

Big thanks to Jay (xsr_racing28c) for helping with the wiring!

Should be making noise soon!

[Benjithx]

Quick question:

What Oil do you guys suggest and what trans fluid???


Thanks

[rossignoldude81]

i was thinking about getting the black for my fenders and this convinced me... now i just have to save up money and order them

[gcart2]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Quick question:

What Oil do you guys suggest and what trans fluid???


Thanks

i run nothing but honda hp4

http://powersports.honda.com/the_goods/parts_and_service/detail.asp?ProductGroup=4%2DStroke+Oils&PartId=08C35-A14W0M&PartValue=Pro%2DHonda+HP4+10W40&TheGoodsDir=1

[Dave400ex]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Quick question:

What Oil do you guys suggest and what trans fluid???


Thanks

I run Golden Spectro 20w50 Semi Synthetic and Spectro Gear Lube

[08Honda400ex]

that thing is sick nasty!!

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by 08Honda400ex
that thing is sick nasty!!

lol! thanks :D



Dave, where is the best place to buy that oil from?

[Benjithx]

I threw Project Black in to the "Quad of the Month" mix even though it's not 100% done yet. Hopefully it will be before voting.

Wish me luck, I could use some more Pro Armor Stuff (LOL!)

:devil:

[Dave400ex]

Most all dealers carry Spectro it seems like. If not you can call Toby at Moto-Xperts or look for online places.

[Benjithx]

Thanks Dave, I think I will go that route.

I jetted and installed the carb, the hotstart setup, and the throttle. I finished the wiring and should have the PC'd parts back tomorrow. Trying to get this thing finished up for Quad of the month voting:eek:

I imagine it will be done, but without a pipe by next week.

[SHIFTx450]

so sick

[Benjithx]

Got most of the PC'd parts on. I will have the clutch cover tomorrow. Then I will clean her up for some more pics, so don't mind the dirt

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[Benjithx]

Quick update:

DASA is shipping our pipe out today directly to Performance Coating to be Ceramic Coated Black!!!

Going to look Wicked:devil:

It looks SWEET!!

You need to ditch that aluminum case breaker and get a poly case saver.

[Benjithx]

shoot me a link

http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp;jsessionid=PHZFBOD3MLNRNLA0WTKSM4VMDK0 NCIV0?store=Main&skuId=271758

[Dave400ex]

Yep get the Moose case saver. It is also black! ;)

[Benjithx]

Thanks man, I will have to get one!

[Benjithx]

Dave, do you run one?

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Yep get the Moose case saver. It is also black! ;)

x2, only kinda case saver I'll run.

[Dave400ex]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Dave, do you run one?

Yep!

[Benjithx]

Thanks for the pic Dave. If you guys run them then Project Black has to have one:D

I am amped to get the exhaust coated. I might have them do the end caps too.

These are the guys who are doing it if anyone want to know;

http://www.performancecoatings.com/

[400exrapes]

theres no way in hell you'll lose the qotm i'll definatley vote for you

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by 400exrapes
theres no way in hell you'll lose the qotm i'll definatley vote for you

I don't know, I am tied with a Yami right now:(

VOTE VOTE VOTE

Thanks guys, I will have some new pics up soon.

[400exrapes]

yeah my last vote pulled you in the lead 19-18, you need to post pics of the bike with the engine and clutch cover and engineand you'll get 10x more votes.

[gcart2]

Originally posted by Benjithx
I don't know, I am tied with a Yami right now:(

VOTE VOTE VOTE

Thanks guys, I will have some new pics up soon.

yea you stomped on my head on qotm. i thought i had a chance.

[Benjithx]

Doing well in the QOTM Contest, Thanks for the votes guys. Hopefully this quad is good enough to hold on to the lead ]:ermm:



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[Benjithx]

Adding a Hinson Clutch to the build:devil:

Also, Performance coating has the pipe and it should be done soon.

[Benjithx]

To further push for QOTM, remember to vote.

I ordered a 03 CRF FCR Carb last night.

Quick question; Will the Jets from my other carb fit and also will they be in the same ball park in terms of size?

Thanks

[maticus]

man that thing is a flaming turd!!! j/k awesome build for real though. i bet its loud as crap :blah:

[xtremelimit]

hey where did u get that gpr stabilizer setup do you have a part# how much thanks quad looks awesome !!!!!!!! i am doing something similar an 08 trx 450r



Originally posted by Benjithx
Flexx bars are a must for any toy and we also popped for a GPR steering stabilizer with remote adjustment.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture003.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture001.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture014.jpg
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[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by Benjithx
To further push for QOTM, remember to vote.

I ordered a 03 CRF FCR Carb last night.

Quick question; Will the Jets from my other carb fit and also will they be in the same ball park in terms of size?

Thanks

The CRF carbs use the same jets as the stock carbs. But the FCR carbs are more efficient so you'd need leaner jets then u would with the stock carb.
But you haven't even ran the bike yet since you did all the engine mods anyway. So you are starting from scratch.

Your best bet is to call Dasa and ask them what they'd recommend with their porting.


If you want a reference to start from someone else with the same carb on an 05 heres my jetting:
178MJ
45 Pilot
#50 Leak Jet
Stock CRF Needle stock position.

The CRF comes with a 42pilot stock, you will most likely get a lean bog off idle with that like I did.

Also u have big bore, porting and a larger DIA exhaust, so your jetting will prolly need to be a little richer then mine.

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by xtremelimit
hey where did u get that gpr stabilizer setup do you have a part# how much thanks quad looks awesome !!!!!!!! i am doing something similar an 08 trx 450r

Call up GPR becasue I am not sure if it is on the site yet. $400ish or more If i remember correctly.

Great product!!!! Worth every penny!!!!

[Benjithx]

D3,

Great Info!

What is a leak jet? and will I need to change it?

Thanks

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by Benjithx
D3,

Great Info!

What is a leak jet? and will I need to change it?

Thanks

The leak jet controls the fuel flow to the accelerator pump. Very small jet screwed into the bottom inside of the float bowel.
And the 03 CRF already comes with a #55 stock, so no you won't need to change it.

[One_Bad_400]

ga that is so so so nice... bikes look so nice right when you finish it... but then the wear the tear starts to come.. the wrecks come... the breaks come.. the black plastic starts to loose its shine


but for now! SUPER NICE!!! keep it nice

[mikeB]

I had looked at this 450 for a while now, trying to make up my mind on the voting, but now looking at the stock picture and what it is now.. this is the QOTM for me... Hands Downn

GOOD JOB!! Exellent Build

[Benjithx]

Thanks Man!

Its only going to get better :devil:

We have a Silver DASA sticker on the way.

[Benjithx]

I got a PM asking where I got my graphic kit from. It was custom made by GoForit Graphics and I am not sure if they will be available to the public.

Just a heads up if any others wondered

Thanks

[atvhonda-rider]

well... i WAS going to run for QOTM! haha no hurt feelings at all bro this thing is sick...awesome job, im jealous! get that stuntcockracing up and running and let me know i'll definately be a supporter, i'll buy your first t-shirt! -Wes

[Benjithx]

Lol, sorry about that.

Stuntcock.net is up and running. No full line out yet just a couple teaser items, but its running.

Putting the FCR Carb in today. Got the exhaust on over the weekend. Hopefully it will be burning precious fossil fuels by the end of the day
:D

[roundsy]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Lol, sorry about that.

Stuntcock.net is up and running. No full line out yet just a couple teaser items, but its running.

Putting the FCR Carb in today. Got the exhaust on over the weekend. Hopefully it will be burning precious fossil fuels by the end of the day
:D

I can't wait to see some action shots of this thing!

[Benjithx]

I am going to part this piece of shi* out pretty soon if it doesn't start running.

Project Black has a crf ignition with a Ricky stator/Alternator to charge a small battery for the fan.

I was having some problems with the old carb/TPS yadda yadda...

So I just bought a 03 CRF FCR Carb, Wiring harness, CDI, Coil and pretty much everything except the stator. Installed it all today...

Quick recap- I bought the quad as a 480cc and it had a 50 pilot and a 182 main in the stock carb with the needle in the third groove from the bottom.

Back to today... I went to the FCR Carb after getting nowhere with the other setup and figured the upgrade was worth doing anyway (two birds, one stone kinda thing).

So to the jetting, I tried a 45, 48, and 50 pilot and still could not get it to pop over once!!! I was messing with the A/F screw and just could not get it to light. In fact the only time I saw smoke or fire is when I put some starting fluid in the intake of the head. Even if this was to lean or whatever, I should still be able to pump the gas a couple times and get something to happen, Right???

I am starting to get pissed because the June QOTM is happily driving me F'ing bananas right now.

I double checked the cam timing against the mark on the clutch side view hole and it looks good. I have good compression 75lbs and spark. The valves feel like they are seating really well, but something must be wrong because I can't get anything to fire.

Somebody please help!!!

Thank You

[d3ktrix]

Making jetting changes like that won't help it/stop it from starting.

You could put the smallest jets u could find in it and it would still give you something.

Sounds like something else, not jetting.

[Benjithx]

I am with you. It just doesn't make sence.

Is it possible to be 180 out on a quad or do they fire on both strokes like Harley's

Maybe it is the stator and or crank trigger. Trail Tech uses Ricky stators, is there any way to test them?

[Scro]

Have you checked to make sure you are getting spark?

[Nick110]

I wouldn't time it going by the mark on the view hole. On my crank gear the little dimple that you line up is mis stamped. If that is lined up to put it at TDC (which it doesn't) then my timing will be retarded about 3 degrees. So I had to put it at TDC by taking the head off and seeing for myself, then I made a new mark on that crank gear.

Just some food for thought but I would check to make sure you are really at TDC when you line up the dimple in the view hole. If your not then your timing and valve clearances will be off.

[Benjithx]

Thanks Nick

I am running out of troubleshooting options. Maybe I will try some dif fuel.



Update on the build; Ordered a DASA FCR adapter. Recieved our Hinson Inner Hub. Still waiting for our Hinson Basket and our Silver DASA Sticker.

I must say, The ceramic coated DASA exhaust took this build to a new level. You guys are going to flip when you see it now. :)

[Benjithx]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/Picture050.jpg

See something wrong here.

You are looking at our Trail Tech Flywheel. I am not sure if this would mess up the magnet enough to throw a poor/incorrect trigger, but it is something.

I will be calling TT tomorrow to see what they say.


Also, I haven't put coolant in the motor yet while trying to start it.... Please don't tell me there is some kind of mechanical switch that would mess with the stator or something????

[Benjithx]

teaser pipe pic

[400exrapes]

holy god that thing is niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.. now are you getting spark like another member said? and check all the lines to the carb and make sure there allhookedup right. make sure all wires are connected to the right ends too or connected for that matter. sorry its real vague advice only things i can think of.

[Benjithx]

Good Vacuum,
Good Compression,
Spot on Cam timing on TDC,
Spark looks good when tested against the side of the head,
I can watch the fuel squirt in through the carb, but....

NO FIRE!!!


Right now I am thinking the

stator/flywheel/woodruff key setup.

My spark might be good, but if it is way off then it doesn't matter.

[400exrapes]

have you cleaned the carb and checked through the boots between airbox/carb and carb/cylinder?

[Benjithx]

Yep, I don't even have the airbox filter on right now so I can make sure fuel is getting in there.

Not only that, I bought new gas just incase, but that wasn't it.

[400exrapes]

is there a new spark plug in there and was the coil on or is the coil completley connected on both ends? sorry seem like dumb solutions the only things i can come up with.

[Benjithx]

Here is how the stator is wired in case someone see's an issue

Alternator

Yellow > Yellow
Yellow > Yellow


Crank Trigger

Green > Green w/white stripe
Blue w/Y Stripe > Blue w/Y Stripe


Charge

Blue > White
White > Blue


I know the charge wire seems like it should be Blue to Blue and so on, but the instructions clearly states that they are crossed. A DASA tech confirmed this

[Benjithx]

Yep, tried two coils and two spark plugs, as well as two CDI boxes and wiring harness's...



Does any one know if there is any safety switch or something that would stop the motor from starting/running if there were no coolant in it?

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Does any one know if there is any safety switch or something that would stop the motor from starting/running if there were no coolant in it?

Just fill it with water for now.
Distilled water preferably. 99cents a gallon at shoprite.

I wouldn't want to run it dry anyway.

[Benjithx]

I just wanted to make sure it ran first. I had a touch of water in the oil at first that made the oil grey quickly. Luckily I knew there was no water in the cooling system so I didn't freak out and think I had really big problems. Just flush the oil and now its all good.

[400exrapes]

I would say fill the radiator anyway just because why not? Check to see if its possibly something little maybe your killswitch, aftermarket killswitch or even key are on/off, and maybe check if any of those wires are messed up at all. I'll do some more research tomorow on what could cause the engine not turning over.

[Benjithx]

Thanks man!

It is a CRF ignition so no key, lights or anything like that.

[400exrapes]

Well when you installed this crf ignition are you sure everything is hooked up right? Because what could have happened is when you removed key/killswitch you might have turned the quad off completley or basically on the off switch. I say try putting on the regular key/stock killswitch only to see if it will run.

[yfzrider73]

That looks alsome KILLER Job

[Dave400ex]

Did you scrape some powder off at all the grounds after PC?

[Benjithx]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Did you scrape some powder off at all the grounds after PC?


Yep, Grounds are good.

I bought a Shim kit and am going to go through the valve train again just in case:huh

[d3ktrix]

Didn't Dasa just re-build this motor for u?

[400exrapes]

Did you try the shim kit? Is the quad turning over at all?

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by 400exrapes
Is the quad turning over at all?

It's a kick start.

[400exrapes]

Thats not what I meant like when you kick it, does it make the noise out of the exhaust at all or is the only noise you hear is you kicking the kicker down?

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by 400exrapes
Thats not what I meant like when you kick it, does it make the noise out of the exhaust at all or is the only noise you hear is you kicking the kicker down?

If I remember correctly he said it's not making type firing sounds.
As if the key is off.

[400exrapes]

Originally posted by d3ktrix
If I remember correctly he said it's not making type firing sounds.
As if the key is off.

Haha yeah there we go, I know that my description sounded childish but atleast we're getting somewhere. I looked in the owners manual and found nothing of a type of switch that would turn the quad off when you have no anti-freeze in there. Also my quad will still fire when the key is off just wont start up you can hear it fire out the back as long as your in neutral. I think project black's problem is electrical.

[400exrapes]

Have you tried power/push starting it maybe that can determine a few things if you get it started by pushing it.

[Benjithx]

I sent the entire motor to DASA. They did a valve job and porting. I sent the whole motor, not just the head because I wanted their techs to assemble it. They were a tooth off, and the valve tolerances were off as well. Stuff happens, I fixed that stuff, but my motor still doesn't fire.

I talked to Trail Tech today and asked about the flywheel. They said that it was cosmetic and not an issue. They also said that if there is spark, that their system is working.

I spoke with Brad from Team RPM today, (Great Guy by the way) and he was convinced that the valve tolerances were probably off and that the 04-05 motors are very finicky about those values. Brad races himself and even wrenches for Angela Butler. So today I bought a shim kit and got my tolerances well within spec, but still no fire. Also readjusted the decomp for those who are going to ask.

I put water in her today...No Dice

It does turn over smoothly, just doesn't fire.

I have tried pulling it with another quad, but that didn't work.


Tomorrow the head is coming off!!!! F the World:mad:

[Benjithx]

I swapped everything out elecrtical except the stator including:

Wiring harness
Coil
Black Box
Carb with TPS Sensor
kill switch


The stator/trigger does two things to start the bike

1. send power to the system/coil.

2. Tell the coil when to fire.

If one of them doesn't work then I would get no spark at all and the trigger has virtually no adjustment via bolts to the case cover and the flywheel woodruff key.

[400exrapes]

It sounds like the stator is not doing its job then from what you explained. Clearly it's not getting spark because you've got compresssion and it's getting fuel but no spark. Do you think the stator you have is broken? Or do you think you need to hook it up a different way?

[Benjithx]

Thats another thing. Its pretty much idiot proof to hook up.

The trigger has two wires, Green and a Blue w/Yellow strip and they hook up the the colored wires on the harness.

The stator has two wires, Blue and white. The deliver an AC current to charge the system so it really does not matter if they are crossed or not. I have tried it both ways.



I do have spark when I test it against the side of the head.


I am almost ready to start buying a TRX Ignition system...DAMN IT!

[blasterfreak99]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Thats another thing. Its pretty much idiot proof to hook up.

The trigger has two wires, Green and a Blue w/Yellow strip and they hook up the the colored wires on the harness.

The stator has two wires, Blue and white. The deliver an AC current to charge the system so it really does not matter if they are crossed or not. I have tried it both ways.



I do have spark when I test it against the side of the head.


I am almost ready to start buying a TRX Ignition system...DAMN IT!

its gotta be in the timing if you have spark when you hold it to the side of the head. either cam timing or ignition timing, now you just have to figure out which one it is

[Benjithx]

Yeah, I just don't know. My gut say its the ignition timing because I have gone over the cam timing multiple times.


Does any one have any 04-05 ignition stuff they want to sell???

Stator/ side case
CDI
Wiring harness

[blasterfreak99]

try hitting up ebay

[Nick110]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Yeah, I just don't know. My gut say its the ignition timing because I have gone over the cam timing multiple times.


Does any one have any 04-05 ignition stuff they want to sell???

Stator/ side case
CDI
Wiring harness

I dont know if its the same for 04/05 motors but on the 06 and up motors there is a view plug that you can take out on the left case cover by the flywheel. And you can turn the crank until the "F" mark is lined up with the groove. Thats how to make sure the ignition timing is set right, then time everything correctly after that.

[Benjithx]

Nick, I don't think the trail tech flywheel has a mark on it :mad:

Anyway, I got done with the QOTM pics and sent them off to Ralph. here is a sample

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/IMG_5178.jpg

[Benjithx]

another

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/Benjithx/IMG_5194.jpg

[400exrapes]

dammmmmnnn soo nice, now lets get it running. .

[Benjithx]

Yeah I am kinda lost at the moment. I might start buying TRX ignition parts and go that route because Trail Tech does not support or sell the CRF stuff anymore. :mad: :grr:

[400exrapes]

go for it and get that thing runnnniin

[Benjithx]

QOTM is Up!!!!! (http://www.atvriders.com/qotm/quadofthemonth2008-06-project-black-honda-450r-atv.html)


Hell Yea!!!

[Benjithx]

Got the Hinson Basket and inner hub in. "N" is so much easier now!!! I may need to get new clutch plates...


TRX ignition stuff should start showing up and then it is go time:D

[chad502ex]

Ben,... This is one awesome looking quad!!!!

You've done an incredible job getting it all together...


How you won the ATVRIDERS.com QOTM award with no engine is amazing.... A real case of "All show, no go".... I suppose the members who voted for this project dont care that there was no engine at the time... :confused:

Anyway, I wanted to pop in and give you major props....

Take care.

Originally posted by chad502ex
Ben,... This is one awesome looking quad!!!!

You've done an incredible job getting it all together...


How you won the ATVRIDERS.com QOTM award with no engine is amazing.... A real case of "All show, no go".... I suppose the members who voted for this project dont care that there was no engine at the time... :confused:

Anyway, I wanted to pop in and give you major props....

Take care.

X2 by the way what do you play on live and can you post up your gamertag? I saw it in a forum about cod 4 and I would like to add you and play with you.

[wildwheelerb200]

very very nice no corners cut here. great looking bike

[Benjithx]

Thanks Chad! :D

Its a good thing it doesn't run right now, because if it did I wouldn't have any clean pictures of it.

Gamertag is "StuntCxckRacing" I really only play COD4 and I suck. Need a new mic too.

WildWheeler, Thanks man

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[pro-rider46]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Thanks Chad! :D

Its a good thing it doesn't run right now, because if it did I wouldn't have any clean pictures of it.

Gamertag is "StuntCxckRacing" I really only play COD4 and I suck. Need a new mic too.

WildWheeler, Thanks man


naw, you dont need a mic, you need a ps3 so you can play COD4 with steve. haha

[Benjithx]

Lol, I worked for MS for 4 years. If I buy a PS3 they will have me shot!

[pro-rider46]

haha. you look like a tough guy, you can take them.

[Benjithx]

Dude, the evil empire is crazy!!!

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Lol, I worked for MS for 4 years. If I buy a PS3 they will have me shot!

What did u do for M$?

[Benjithx]

Windows Mobile Marketing Lab Manager. Basically played with Pocket PC's and Smartphones all day. Traveled a lot

[d3ktrix]

Ah very nice

[Benjithx]

update coming soon... Crazy turn of events:mad:

[400exrapes]

Originally posted by Benjithx
update coming soon... Crazy turn of events:mad:

is that a good or bad thing? please fill us in!

[D-7#61-450r]

I am alot late on reading these post. One question I did not see asked is did the engine ever backfire when trying to start? If not pull the plug and see if it is wet with fuel. if its wet and never backfired you never had spark. out of timing or not enough fuel and definately starting fluid it would have backfired. 75 psi seems slightly low on compression but the cylinder might be washed from all the fuel being dumped into it. Just starting points that are alot late in your diag quest.
By the way this is one great looking quad running or not. I'll trade for my running quad.:D

[Benjithx]

LOL, Sorry man, she is a runner now!!!



I am just going to say this...

There was no Woodruff key

[400exrapes]

stuntcock racing!

[400exrapes]

hell yeah! thanks stuntcock!!

[D-7#61-450r]

I worked on a blaster like 10 years ago that sheared a woodruff key. I understand your nightmare. Glad to hear its running.

[Benjithx]

As for the Woodruff key, Yeah I was a little upset that it wasn't there, because... lets just say it wasn't us who forgot to install it... :grr:


400exRapes.... Looks good!!!!

[400exrapes]

thanks ben! i'm wearing the tshirt as I'm typing right now haha

[raw450r]

hey ben where is my t-shirt

[Benjithx]

Raw450, Pm me your addy and size. You should have one for sure!!!

[Benjithx]

been messing around with the jetting

Right now I have a 58 pilot stock and a 200 main.

I think it needs a 55 pilot and maybe a 205 main...

She is a thirsty bitsh!!! and Really Snappy!!!

[raw450r]

so are you getting a chance to get in some seat time in now ..... you didn't have it long before you tore it down .... the bike really turned out GREAT ben ...... you did my old bike proud man .... just have a blast beating the sh*t out of now

[Nick110]

Originally posted by raw450r
so are you getting a chance to get in some seat time in now ..... you didn't have it long before you tore it down .... the bike really turned out GREAT ben ...... you did my old bike proud man .... just have a blast beating the sh*t out of now

If I remember correctly he said hes not gonna ride it much because it is a show bike.

[raw450r]

Originally posted by Nick110
If I remember correctly he said hes not gonna ride it much because it is a show bike.

well that is understandable but at the same time its a shame because a bike that well built deserves to be ridden

[Nick110]

Originally posted by raw450r
well that is understandable but at the same time its a shame because a bike that well built deserves to be ridden

Exactly how I feel. I would not be able to just let that sit there.

[warr72]

If you dont mind me asking can I buy some of those stickers from you for my 08. I dont use sponsors,except for my wallet , so your sticker would be only one on my quad and of course my sons. Your quad is an awesome piece of machinery. Did you run into many problems with big bore as I am getting ready to go down that same path myself and how hard was it to tune once you got it up and running? Sorry so many questions. :)

[Benjithx]

Sure thing,

Send a stamped addressed envelope a buck per sticker to

StuntCock Racing
PO Box 1743
Granite Falls WA 98252



As for riding this beast... It is a promo piece so it won't be raced, but it will get dirty from time to time trust me.

My hand is broken right now, (Damn 2stroke bikes) so i have to wait a couple weeks.

I bought the bike from Raw450 with the bigbore kit and have never had an issue. Very fast and kinda scary. Go for it!!!!

Thanks for the support guys

[warr72]

Thanks. Good luck with the hand as I just healed up enough to ride tonight myself. Love the graphics on your quad. :eek2: How much for shirts, if you have enough.

[Benjithx]

got plenty of shirts

www.stuntcock.net

shuld have a full line out next year.

Thanks man!

[warr72]

Nice web page. My best friend is a M.S. puter guru as I read you are or were involved with them. We will be sportin some shirts and logos for ya. Totally dope. :devil:

[Benjithx]

Nice!

Thanks again for the support:cool:

[Benjithx]

Pulled the 58 pilot out and threw in a 55.

Runs a lot better and just plain rips! I still don't have a ton of seat time on it, but was able to play around a bit today.

FYI for those with similar build

Pilot 55
Stock Needle position
main 200

[chad502ex]

strap that thing to a dyno and see what it puts down Ben...

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by chad502ex
strap that thing to a dyno and see what it puts down Ben...

and to get the jetting correct. I cant believe a 200 main, a 55 pilot and the needle in the stock position? I have a hard time even using stock needles when we build bikes. Usually end up in 5th clip down with it shimmed past that, or an HRC needle.

[Benjithx]

Well, I was going to mess with the needle, but it just seems to run pretty well. No bog, no smoke or back fire???

I might tweak the a/f screw a bit so I can lower the idle a little.


Chad, Not sure where I could go to dyno it around here. I would love to though. I imagine it has to be over 50hp. (?)

[elementryder]

Originally posted by Benjithx
Well, I was going to mess with the needle, but it just seems to run pretty well. No bog, no smoke or back fire???

I might tweak the a/f screw a bit so I can lower the idle a little.


Chad, Not sure where I could go to dyno it around here. I would love to though. I imagine it has to be over 50hp. (?)

if its a full national dasa build it should have 58+

[raw450r]

Originally posted by Benjithx

Chad, Not sure where I could go to dyno it around here. I would love to though. I imagine it has to be over 50hp. (?) [/B]

this setup dynoed 52 when i had it ... before my lowerend went out and that is a hrc needle unless you changed the carb setup

[Benjithx]

Damn it! Raw, PM me your addy and size again please.

It is not a DASA national build, just a DASA head and pipe.


But, Its fast
:devil:

I love the way it was documented and the outcome is amazing.

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by raw450r
this setup dynoed 52 when i had it ... before my lowerend went out and that is a hrc needle unless you changed the carb setup

This makes a lot more sense.;)

[Benjithx]

.... But, there is a FCR carb in there now

[raw450r]

well with the changes you have made i would guess 55 horse , if you want any more out of that motor you will have to up the compression that ESR kit is only 12.5 to 1 ..... these motors love compression

[d3ktrix]

Originally posted by Benjithx
.... But, there is a FCR carb in there now

I don't think the FCR carb adds any peak HP unless you bore it.
Only throttle response

[raw450r]

Originally posted by d3ktrix
I don't think the FCR carb adds any peak HP unless you bore it.
Only throttle response

you are correct about no hp gainfrom the fcr carb, but it will yield some gains on the old butt dyno , it will give you a smoother power delivery and better throttle response which will make it appear faster when you ride it ..... the gains i was referring to was the better ported head that is on it now compared to when i dynoed it and the pipe which has a larger diameter head pipe which will yield a hp gain on the dyno when paired with a more free flowing head

[Benjithx]

Been riding Project Black a bit more now and I continue to be blown away with how crazy this thing is!

I dialed the suspension in a bit more and played with the jetting.

Just wanted you guys to know that it is still running strong!!!


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[d3ktrix]

It still can't look that pretty. Wheres the pix with it all scratched up and mud in every little hard to reach place? :P


My a-arms look like someone went at em with a full auto BB gun. So sad :P

[Benjithx]

It still cleans up that nice

[brandonpeake]

how are thge grqphics holding up i love the grey on black i was going to do something similiar but my last K&K gtaphics made it about 1/4 of a lap at steel creek so before i had some custom made i woukd likw to know hthwe quality ia

[Benjithx]

Great quality, very thick and holding up good so far. I love the way these graphics look on this bike. Very Mean Looking! :mad: :devil: :D