Wheel offset? See the caliper!

[NOS EX300]

Hey there guys im getting +3 A arms. What wheel offest do you racers have. To see the caliper what wheel offset is needed!
any help would be great! Im going to be ordering wheels and need to know what size to ask for ! thanks again

[cdalejef]

You will have to get 4+1 to be AMA legal! You are talking about 2+3 offset, they don't handle very well.

[YLW400]

What is stock offset?????

[cdalejef]

3+2

[YLW400]

so if I get +3, will I be over 50"?

[YLW400]

come on Jeff, talk to me here buddy!:blah I have been waiting to get this question answered since Nam

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by YLW400
so if I get +3, will I be over 50"? If you use any wheel other than 4+1....Yes!!!

[NOS EX300]

what offset are hiper carbon fiber fronts
and will they work good wit +3 arms?

[cdalejef]

You can get them in 4+1 or 3+2. They will both work but, 3+2 would be too wide to be legal with +3 arms!

[NOS EX300]

Jeff thanks for all your help!!!
What does 4+1 and 3+2 and 2+3 mean? There in inches right
but what messurment does 4 mean? and whats the 1 for?
In other words what side of the wheels is the first number for?

[cdalejef]

The first number is the inside in inches and the second number is the outside in inches.

[YLW400]

Thats an additional 300.00 dollars I wasn't planning on spending :( If it's not one thing it's another. Thanks for your anwers though Jeff

[400exBro]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
You can get them in 4+1 or 3+2. They will both work but, 3+2 would be too wide to be legal with +3 arms!

NOS EX300- it doesn't matter what offset you will have to get becuase cmrc doesn't inforce a 50" rule so you can run over 50" for mx, but if you still plan on trail riding you might have a problem...

just thought i would tell you that..
good luck

Bro

[cdalejef]

Whats cmrc?

[Mity Mo]

I have the +3 long travels and run the 2+3 wheels and have been to the Nats with it. Its perfectly legal. And I believe the stock 400ex wheels are 1.5+3.5 Mo

[400exBro]

CMRC- Canadian Motorcycle Racing Club or i think Canadian Motorcross Racing club one of those two.

Bro

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by 400exBro
CMRC- Canadian Motorcycle Racing Club or i think Canadian Motorcross Racing club one of those two.

Bro OIC!

[YLW400]

Hey Jeff, what is the width with +2 and 3-2 offset, ad what is the width with +2 and 4-1 offset? If it is still pretty wide I may go with that to at least let me trail ride too if I want to...Like the H/M trip and stuff. With +3 it would be pretty tough to go trucking through th woods

[cdalejef]

Not sure what the exact measurements are. I hear HM is pretty wide open so width shouldn't be a problem.

[YLW400]

I rode a 250R this weekend at the track with +3 and Axis.....First off it was the first 250R I have ever ridden, secondly, it was the first quad I have ever ridden with aftermarket shocks and a-arms. Lemme tell ya, I can't wait to get some shocks, and maybe one day an R....lol If Elka are comparable to Axis or better as some people say, I will probably be going the Elka route. Considering they are half the price:rolleyes:

[Ralph]

anybody wanna guess what offset these are, when i bought the wheels i never asked the guy. the a-arms are plus 2...

[forum]

those look like 2-3

Yea cmrc doesn't realy inforce anything. we could burn nos and alky without anyone caring. But there is a TOO wide. if you get +3 a arms i would get the 4-1 offset. actually thats what i am doing hahaha. APparently the lower the second number the better the bike handles becasue of the less leverage on the spindles that removes bumb steer. if you think about it ,it make sense. Nos300ex you gonna race next year or what?? You should its great fun

[cdalejef]

Amen forum!
Ya, those look like the 2+3's

[Ralph]

thats why it seems so much wider than other quads with +2 arms...

[400exBro]

let me get this right, with the 4-1 offset i am able to flip the rims and get more or less width right???

i don't do that much research for rims so i am not that sure on it??

i hope to be running +3 lt elka set up next, year, but i need cash plus i rather have a cannondale,
Jeff in the spring are the 03 on sale for a cheapier price to make room for the 04s??

thanks

Bro

[cdalejef]

No, you shouldn't flip rims!!! Makes for horrible handling!
The 03's are on sale now!

[305exracer11]

so what offset rim will make the front end the widest????? 3+2 4+1.....

[cdalejef]

3+2 is wider than 4+1, and 2+3 is wider than 3+2

[wyndzer]

So Jeff, you got any used 4-1 fronts you want to get rid of?

[cdalejef]

I will have a set of Douglas rolled edge 4+1's as soon as the Hipers get here in a couple weeks.:cool:

Damn confusing off sets :mad:


Everytime I think I got this figured something changes. I am trying to get info on aftermarket v/s stock offsets and it seems you need to take out the tape measure to get any.

I was checking out a set of hypers (4+1) on a 400ex and they seemed to be wider than the stockers. You deff could see more of the tie rod end and spindle on the hyper, sorry but I couldnt measure the wheel width so there could be a diff there.

Just dont want to shell out a crapload of cash to reduce the width and end up wider than stk wheels( whats on there now).

Any ideas guys.


Jeff if those rolled edge are in good condition and your not gonna change your mind send me a pm as I am interested.

[cdalejef]

You can't always go by what you can see on the inside! The Hiper rims are narrower, thats why you can see the caliper.
They won't be ready to sell till we get the Hiper's in.

[YLW400]

I am having the same problem! I dont know what to buy either........lol

[forum]

what a arms do you have?? ylw400? and i'll try to help you out as much as posible

[YLW400]

I am running stock now, but probably in the first week in Feb I will be getting +2 Housers and triple rate Elkas. Can I get the stock offset in aftermarket wheels? Like bead locks later down the road. Cause 4+1 will make me narrower then stock right? I dont want to have to go narrower later on. I mostly run MX but will hit a trail or two occasionally. Thanks alot Forum, I will be baclk later tonight!!

[400exBro]

i would like to know as well??

i know that if i am going to run the elka, arens long travel set up for +3 a arms i will be running 4+1 offset..

so i am guessing you might want to run 3+2 offset with the +2( a arms) setup...
some one correct me if i am wrong....

lata
Bro

[Ralph]

right ^

[cdalejef]

You got it Bro!!!:D

[YLW400]

You can buy aftermarket wheels with the stock offset though....right? Like beadlocks.

[400exBro]

yea i'm good....:D

i wouldn't see why you aren't able to get the stock offset..
if you are going with hipers i am not sure but with aluminum rims you are able to get stock offset...
jeff will tell you that,

also does hiper make rear wheel offset??? What affect will it have on the quad?? would it be easier to bend the axle that way???


lata
Bro

[YLW400]

I have been eye balling the Hi-pers....can you ge those in stock offset Jeff??

[cdalejef]

Yes guys, you can get the Hipers in stock offset (3+2) You can also get the rears in a wider offset. Just ask for rears for a Cannondale.

[2k2-300exnj]

i am geussin i should go with 4+1 offset then i will have +1 400ex a-arms after x-mas... do i need to get longer tie rods for these and if i do what do i get 300ex tie rods or 400ex tie rods?

[cdalejef]

Yes, they come with the tie rods you'll need

[Honda2003]

so the stock front wheel offset is 3+2? what is the stock Rear wheel offset? 3+5 ?

yea what is the rear offset and does it have a negative effect if ui make iut wider like the front does?

[2k2-300exnj]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
Yes, they come with the tie rods you'll need
no they didnt i bought them used with out the tie rods what do i need to buy?

[stocktires]

I though +4 arms and 4:1 wheels came out to about 49" on an R?
Are the front of the frames on 400's wider than R frames?

OK why is my quad wider with 3-2 wheels than stock wheels. I thought that stock 400ex wheels were 4-1.5. they are definiatly not as wide as a 3-2 aftermarket douglas wheel.

[stocktires]

a believe all wheels are 5" wide.
the first number is the space inside, and second number is the space on the outside of the wheel

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by stocktires
I though +4 arms and 4:1 wheels came out to about 49" on an R?
Are the front of the frames on 400's wider than R frames? I think you mean +3 arm. Im not aware of anyone that makes a +4.

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by GNCCer
OK why is my quad wider with 3-2 wheels than stock wheels. I thought that stock 400ex wheels were 4-1.5. they are definiatly not as wide as a 3-2 aftermarket douglas wheel. Stock wheels are 3+2 i'm pretty sure. Are you sure the ones you have aren't 2+3?

[Honda2003]

Jeff@QuadShop what is the stock rear wheel offset for the EX's?

[stocktires]

Jeff,
Merrelle makes +4+1 a-arms, and Danny told me his front end with 4:1 wheel makes about 49"s

[trx400ex]

Originally posted by stocktires
Jeff,
Merrelle makes +4+1 a-arms, and Danny told me his front end with 4:1 wheel makes about 49"s

Are those for a narrow frame?

[stocktires]

nope, no narrow front end here
http://www.merrellextreme.com/images/products/aarms/mx_p4_front_001.jpg

[440ex kid]

Walsh makes +4's for a 400ex. I measured the width of my stock 400ex, and it was about 44". So +4's with 3+2 offset would be 52", but +4's with 4+1 offset would put it right on 50". Am I right?

These things are confusing :)

I know we need to check on the actual widths cause the +1 +2 thing is not exact. I think if I remember right the +1 LT housers are actualy +1.375 and I am noticing that the 3-2 off sets are not the same as stock.

My friend with a raptor now has a spare set of .190's 3-2 cause he had to get the 4-1 to bring the width in. He had damaged a stk wheel and replaced it with a pair of the douglas but they were at least an inch wider.

I am sure that my wheels are 3-2

In the Nac's cross reference chart it call all honda and susuki front wheels as being 4-1.5 and it calls all yamaha wheels 3.5-2.

I believe if you look at a stock 400 wheel it will tell you it is 5.5 inches wide.

Originally posted by GNCCer
I am sure that my wheels are 3-2

In the Nac's cross reference chart it call all honda and susuki front wheels as being 4-1.5 and it calls all yamaha wheels 3.5-2.

I believe if you look at a stock 400 wheel it will tell you it is 5.5 inches wide.

How do u like the 3-2? Im not sure if i should go with 3-2 or 4-1 with my +2 a arms? What do u all think?

[QuadTrix6]

Bump

hey i just measured my stock rims and got 3 1/2 : 1 1/2.


Also how is an accurate way to measure the total width of my quad?

[Bean]

yes Danny does make a set of +4+1 a-arms, and i think he also makes a version of them called TT Extreme, which mounts the swaybar on the top a-arm, works the same, just keeps that lil alum bracket thing with the hiems from hittin the shock, u do need new wheels, brakelines, and shox i belive with these a-arms, not 100% sure on shox though

[nacs400ex]

This offset stuff is confusing.... :huh, i dont understand any of these numbers. Will somebody help me lol? Are these numbers the width of the wheel, or the angle they are on ????? I am so confused after reading all this.


Thanks
Craig

[stocktires]

Its not the dimensions, its how far in or out of the center of the wheel its made.
Its hard to explain, but actually very simple

go outside and look at ur wheels and think how you could make you quad wider by turning the fronts around. Then you'll see what we're talking about

the numbers mean this:

Add them both and thats how wide the rim is.
You know where u bolt the rims that pice that divides the rim. U measure from that piece out on both sides. the first # is the inside width and the second is the outside width.

Hope i helped

[400exTN]

All this has me a little confused. I have +2 Arms and plan on getting new wheels. So to stay under 50 inches should I get 3-2(3 in/2out) or do I get 2-3(2in/3out).

[nacs400ex]

I understand now ! Thanks for all your help guys:p That is so easy to understand, but at the same time weird ? lol

:huh

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by 400exTN
All this has me a little confused. I have +2 Arms and plan on getting new wheels. So to stay under 50 inches should I get 3-2(3 in/2out) or do I get 2-3(2in/3out).

3:2

[400exTN]

Thanks for the info QuadTrix