ltr vs trx vs yfz

[250excrf250r]

i am getting a 450 in the next 4 mounths and am trying to decided on which on. i ride a crf250r now so i will be used to the power however i also ride a trx 250ex on trails. i want a 450 for track and trails. i like the ltr because of the power. but i like the trx and yfz be cause they are not to wide for the trail. i have had hondas my whole life and would like to get the trx but maybe its time to change.

[Zero74]

I just got my ltr and so far I like it alot. Ive only had it since friday, but I took it straight to glamis after swapping tires, installing cherry bomb, removing lid and sparky. The power and suspension is very impressive. I also have a built up kfx434 with and I think the ltr in stock form handles better for what its worth.

[brink400]

Well if you are a trail rider then I would get the honda for sure. But if you really want efi then I would look into a kawi, plus they have reverse. Dont get me wrong I LOVE my ltr more then any other quad ive had, but for trail riding the ltr just doesnt shine that much in stock form.

[kfx400rider03]

i was in the same boat as you a month ago think of a new quad to get.
i just got my ltr 2 weeks ago. i like it better than my kfx already. but on the trails i find my self going a little slower try to avoid stuff like rocks and narrow spots. im usauly a little bit behind my friends when they are raceing threw the trails. but in the field and on the wider trails i go right by them.
if you are going to do more trail riding i would go with the trx450r but like you said you are going to the track too and you know the ltr is good there.

i would go with the ltr if your trails arent to narrow cause the quad is outstanding from the power to the suspension.

[Simon MX49]

IT is really all up to you. I have had a Yamaha for 3 years now and wouldnt trade it for the world, but its high maintenance, and I cant afford it, so Im trying to get an LTR. lol. I raced a stock LTR last weekend and was extremely impressed.

I got a Yamaha Im rebuilding for sale if you're interested :D

[ATV Z88]

Originally posted by Simon MX49
IT is really all up to you. I have had a Yamaha for 3 years now and wouldnt trade it for the world, but its high maintenance, and I cant afford it, so Im trying to get an LTR. lol. I raced a stock LTR last weekend and was extremely impressed.

I got a Yamaha Im rebuilding for sale if you're interested :D



what kind of high maintenance...


i might considerer buying a used yfz 2006

[hondarider101]

this needs to go in the open forum.. because everyone here is going to say ltr because thats what they have and everyone is going to diss everything else becasue they dont have it or have a problem with one.

[Speed_MDS2]

DS450 looks like a nice trail quad, that or the new KTM.

[Yee-Haw_400EX]

You forgot the KFX450 and its the best one!

Any reason for not considering the KTM, Polaris, or the Kawi as an option?

[Simon MX49]

I personally was extremely impressed with the KTM 525XC. It handled the trail I was on awsome, but I never got to take it on the track, but I heard from a friend of mine he was clearing every jump on the track the second or 3rd lap.

I havent rode or seen a DS450 yet, but they look pretty sweet.

I'm waiting to hear from the bank today on the loan for an LTR, Im prayin it goes through.

The Yamaha is a great bike, but I know they go through alot of cylinders, everytime the top end goes usually (at least everyone I know has).
I have an 05. Its got a JB/PEP long travel front end, GT Thunder rebuilt rear shock, Burgard +2 Stem, HMF Full System, new AC Nerfs, New Tie Rods and ends, spindles, linkage bearings, Pro Design Pro Flow Intake kit, Extra set of plastic with a set of cut front fenders(similar to the JJ cut he ran in 05), and it'll have a bunch of new bolts(236 piece Rocky Mountain Bolt Kit). It runs good, I just had the top end done in June, and I maybe rode it 20 hours, if that? Its in need of some powdercoating, but I've always been more concerned with keeping it running, whats the point of having a nice looking bike thats broke down right? The top A-Arms are white, and the bottoms candy apple blue, looks pretty sweet

[Speed_MDS2]

Originally posted by Yee-Haw_400EX
You forgot the KFX450 and its the best one!

Sorry, I see you own one but I honestly feel the kfx450 is a pos.

Originally posted by Speed_MDS2
Sorry, I see you own one but I honestly feel the kfx450 is a pos.

What exactly made you come to this conclusion?

[Speed_MDS2]

Weak motor with lots of vibration, kinda felt like I was riding a 4 year old yamaha and it was brand new. LOL I don't have a lot of time on one but it just didn't feel good to me. Maybe with some more mods it will shine, the one I rode was bone stock. I didn't really want to say "don't buy a kfx" thats why I left it out but I felt the "its the best one" comment was a little off.

Originally posted by Speed_MDS2
Weak motor with lots of vibration, kinda felt like I was riding a 4 year old yamaha and it was brand new. LOL I don't have a lot of time on one but it just didn't feel good to me. Maybe with some more mods it will shine, the one I rode was bone stock. I didn't really want to say "don't buy a kfx" thats why I left it out but I felt the "its the best one" comment was a little off.

The power is there, it's just corked up a little from factory. I forget who did it, but someone did a dyno of the yamaha, suzuki, kawasaki, and the honda (all stock) and the kawi actually made a slight bit of power more than the others. It's geared extremely low for most people, but a 15t front sprocket solves that issue. The vibration is due to the all-aluminum frame. The aluminum transfers a lot more vibration than steel, but that's the price you gotta pay to save a little weight.

[Yee-Haw_400EX]

Here ya go.

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v188/178/11/20605734/n20605734_33956307_4122.jpg

[Zero74]

Originally posted by Ben_Johnson
The power is there, it's just corked up a little from factory. I forget who did it, but someone did a dyno of the yamaha, suzuki, kawasaki, and the honda (all stock) and the kawi actually made a slight bit of power more than the others. It's geared extremely low for most people, but a 15t front sprocket solves that issue. The vibration is due to the all-aluminum frame. The aluminum transfers a lot more vibration than steel, but that's the price you gotta pay to save a little weight.

actually that aluminum frame really doesnt save much in the weight category. Here are the weights for the other popular 450's when dry. If you average them the kawasaki is about average when it comes to weight.

364 kaw

368 suz

390 honda w/estart

383 honda w/kstart

350 yami

351 ktm 525/450 same weight for both

345 ds450

324 88/89 trx250r (might as well throw this one in, its an oldie but a goodie!)

I didn't know the ds450 was so light. Also, I really didn't know about the added vibration due to the frame on the kfx450, glad I didn't buy a kfx.

[Yee-Haw_400EX]

Originally posted by Zero74
actually that aluminum frame really doesnt save much in the weight category. Here are the weights for the other popular 450's when dry. If you average them the kawasaki is about average when it comes to weight.

364 kaw

368 suz

390 honda w/estart

383 honda w/kstart

350 yami

351 ktm 525/450 same weight for both

345 ds450

324 88/89 trx250r (might as well throw this one in, its an oldie but a goodie!)

I didn't know the ds450 was so light. Also, I really didn't know about the added vibration due to the frame on the kfx450, glad I didn't buy a kfx.
I'm gonna call BS on the YFZ450's weight.

Originally posted by Zero74
actually that aluminum frame really doesnt save much in the weight category. Here are the weights for the other popular 450's when dry. If you average them the kawasaki is about average when it comes to weight.

364 kaw

368 suz

390 honda w/estart

383 honda w/kstart

350 yami

351 ktm 525/450 same weight for both

345 ds450

324 88/89 trx250r (might as well throw this one in, its an oldie but a goodie!)

I didn't know the ds450 was so light. Also, I really didn't know about the added vibration due to the frame on the kfx450, glad I didn't buy a kfx.

Actually that is a common misconception. Most people tend to forget that Kawi added in a reverse gear which brought back quite a bit of the weight that was saved by having an aluminum frame. Add a reverse gear to some of those others like the yamaha and see where their weight ends up. That said, KTM did a great job on making such a light machine w/reverse.

[Zero74]

reverse or not, weight is weight. Reverse is a nice feature, have it on my kfx. But it is a feature most can due without. I'm not knocking the kawi, I almost ended up with that quad. go to yamaha's website if you have a problem with the weight, all weights are pulled straight from the manufacturers. Better yet heres the link.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelspecs/323/0/specs.aspx

[RATPACK Z400]

Heres what DWs 450 shootout weight on the 450s honda,yami,ktm=350 can-am 345 kawi,outlaw 365,suzuki 368pds ,the weight on the honda at 380pds was way off!By the way my choice for track and trail would be the LTR450 hands down track ready,trail get 20in tires in rear 22in in front and prm skids.

[Simon MX49]

I would say the KTM 525 is the best quad I've ever ridden. The power is perfect, and the handling and suspension is perfect IMO. I like my Yamaha, and I would have a Suzuki but I was denied on the loan :mad:. I'm tryin to take a top 5 in 16-19C GNCC, and if I can manage that, Im goin to buy a KTM

[Zero74]

Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
Heres what DWs 450 shootout weight on the 450s honda,yami,ktm=350 can-am 345 kawi,outlaw 365,suzuki 368pds ,the weight on the honda at 380pds was way off!By the way my choice for track and trail would be the LTR450 hands down track ready,trail get 20in tires in rear 22in in front and prm skids.

Yeah, the honda is amazingly heavier. They don't look like they weigh that much either.

As for the ktm, both the cross country and the up coming mx version looks to be really good! Probably cost over $10k, but the trade off is its the most "mx race ready" quad available.

[RATPACK Z400]

What you mean the honda is heaver it allways been stated to be 350pds maybe with gas, those were dry weight figures on all 450s ,and KTM looks great but for the MX version gonna cost over 10,000 grand you can buy suzuki,etc and spend the savings on suspention.

[bigH]

Originally posted by Zero74
Yeah, the honda is amazingly heavier. They don't look like they weigh that much either.

As for the ktm, both the cross country and the up coming mx version looks to be really good! Probably cost over $10k, but the trade off is its the most "mx race ready" quad available.

ummm actually honda is one of the lightest buddie.....have u ever rode one???????

[#17YFZRACER]

Weak motor with lots of vibration, kinda felt like I was riding a 4 year old yamaha and it was brand new.

OH HA HA HA:mad: im calling some major BS on that. i dont know why your ripping yami. my motor is WAY stronger than any stock LTR ive ridden, and there isnt any vibration :huh

[Simon MX49]

I agree, dont bash the Yamaha.

I'd go with KTM, you'll have way more in suspension and a-arms for the LTR than you will with a new KTM

[#17YFZRACER]

thanks:)

[Speed_MDS2]

Originally posted by #17YFZRACER
OH HA HA HA:mad: im calling some major BS on that. i dont know why your ripping yami. my motor is WAY stronger than any stock LTR ive ridden, and there isnt any vibration :huh

First, I was saying that the KFX had a lot of vibration, not the YFZ. Second, I'm happy for you that your motor is WAY stronger than any stock ltr you've ridden. Who rides stock quads anyways? Last I checked the LTR was about the most choked up quad on the market. When you pipe em they're all real close powerwise but your Yamaha will still be a pile. LOL:D

[Baracudaaa]

All the 450's out now are great quads, no doubt about it. But go to a local MX or Grand Prix series, and look at what about 60% of the class A, B, and C riders are on, most likely it will be the LTR450.

[Zero74]

Originally posted by bigH
ummm actually honda is one of the lightest buddie.....have u ever rode one???????


Nope never rode one. I got all the weights from the manufacturers websites. Spec weight for a honda with e-start IS 390lbs according to honda w/ kickstart its 383. Not saying the 450r is a bad bike, im just stating the honda's website list its weight as being what it is. Doesn't specify if its dry or not though.

http://powersports.honda.com/atvs/sport/model.asp?ModelName=TRX450R+%28Elec+Start%29&ModelYear=2008&ModelId=TRX450ER8

I think there is a discrepency though, because atvinfo has it at 350...

http://www.atv.info/articlePrint.cfm?id=71