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MOUSE
11-12-2002, 07:58 PM
i found this on snopes.com and thought it was a very good story. plus its a true one.


From a speech made by Capt. John S. McCain, US, (Rep) who represents Arizona in the U.S. Senate:
As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian. Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old.

At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967.

Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country, and our military, provide for people who want to work and want to succeed. As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle.

Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed it on the inside of his shirt. Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell, it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours.

Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could. The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag.

He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world.

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Ride400
11-12-2002, 08:30 PM
that was a good story, ill never look at the flag the same. ******* vietnamese all deserve to die

MOUSE
11-12-2002, 10:33 PM
i thought there would be more replys than this :confused:

CHAUNCY
11-12-2002, 10:40 PM
ill read it later but i got to go do somethin right now
Then ill tell you what i thought

4punksdad
11-13-2002, 05:37 AM
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CHAUNCY
11-13-2002, 09:34 AM
great story. Really makes you feel like you owe the people that faught in war something.

Doibugu2
11-13-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Ride400
that was a good story, ill never look at the flag the same. ******* vietnamese all deserve to die

That's such an ignorant statement. That's why we get into these damn wars, because people think with their d*cks, and not their heads.


It's so sad that we have lost so much faith in what others have fought so hard for. I feel like we are do for some major conflict that will affect more lives for a longer period of time, then just 9/11. We need a wake up call, most of us just hit the snooze button, a coulpe of months after 9/11.

L.Vegas400
11-13-2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Doibugu2
It's so sad that we have lost so much faith in what others have fought so hard for. I feel like we are do for some major conflict that will affect more lives for a longer period of time, then just 9/11. We need a wake up call, most of us just hit the snooze button, a coulpe of months after 9/11.
so what you are saying is, the government needs to spend ungodly amounts of money, ppl need to kill or be killed, familys need to lose loved ones(us or them), and they need to send young military members over seas to risk their lives, just so americans will fly flags, say the pledge of alligance, trash talk bush for getting us into the conflict, and maybe respect this great country? thats what it sounds like you are wanting.

i think down deep ppl havent lost their faith, its that they get caught up in their day to day lives they put it on the back burner, but it is still there. things today(now im starting to talk like ive been around a while) require us to do stuff fast. if you are slow, you fall behind and dont make the grade. when i moved to vegas i noticed its a lot different than the small towns im used to. everybody is in a hurry to do this or that. as soon as i can im getting out of this $it hole they call a city, back to the laid back, but hard work life im used to. too many pple here for me.

oynot400
11-13-2002, 11:47 AM
In the sprit of that story. I don't know if any of you saw it on the news but a group of soliders from the Veitnam war was finailly laid to rest in Arlington Nationa Cemetery last week. One of the crew was my uncle, Robert C O'Hara. He was killed in a helicopter crash during bad weather on a resupply mission on Feb 6, 1969. The Army did not find the crash site and remains until 1996.

Doibugu2
11-13-2002, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by L.Vegas400

so what you are saying is, the government needs to spend ungodly amounts of money, ppl need to kill or be killed, familys need to lose loved ones(us or them), and they need to send young military members over seas to risk their lives, just so americans will fly flags, say the pledge of alligance, trash talk bush for getting us into the conflict, and maybe respect this great country? thats what it sounds like you are wanting.

i think down deep ppl havent lost their faith, its that they get caught up in their day to day lives they put it on the back burner, but it is still there. things today(now im starting to talk like ive been around a while) require us to do stuff fast. if you are slow, you fall behind and dont make the grade. when i moved to vegas i noticed its a lot different than the small towns im used to. everybody is in a hurry to do this or that. as soon as i can im getting out of this $it hole they call a city, back to the laid back, but hard work life im used to. too many pple here for me.

That's not what I was trying to say at all. Your exactly right, people are moving to fast and missing what is important in life. I am as much to blame here as well. But look at our society. Do you feel proud to be an American? I don't know if I do. We have more people in jail then any other country. We have kids bringing guns to school killing people. I thought my generation was bad, but the 2 below me are much worse. They have no regard for authority, or any adults. They are exposed to way to much, and are brought up in homes that either the parents both work or are in a single family home. So they pratictily raise themselves. In need to start focusing more on our families and friends, then our jobs and money.

QuadTrix6
11-13-2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by L.Vegas400

so what you are saying is, the government needs to spend ungodly amounts of money, ppl need to kill or be killed, familys need to lose loved ones(us or them), and they need to send young military members over seas to risk their lives, just so americans will fly flags, say the pledge of alligance, trash talk bush for getting us into the conflict, and maybe respect this great country? thats what it sounds like you are wanting.



YES, IMO we need to go to war, and unfortunetly people will die but don't act like soldiers don't know that ..thats a risk they run by being in the military. its sad but what better way to die then to die defending freedom and to die for your country, i have much respect for soldiers that were killed in the service. and i have faith in bush, we will probably go to war but i say hooray lets do this, in about 2 days saddams time will be up and we will wipe his ***** out, then on to the next terrorist country:macho , it sux but this is whats neccasary to preserve our safety and freedom so im all for it. People always want to bash bush but he not the only one making decisions he has a whole advisory staff that are very intelligent people and who are only gonna do whats in the countrys best intrests. sorry if i offended anyone with my extremist point of view but this is just MY OPINION..thx for reading

ryewith
11-13-2002, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by oynot400
In the sprit of that story. I don't know if any of you saw it on the news but a group of soliders from the Veitnam war was finailly laid to rest in Arlington Nationa Cemetery last week. One of the crew was my uncle, Robert C O'Hara. He was killed in a helicopter crash during bad weather on a resupply mission on Feb 6, 1969. The Army did not find the crash site and remains until 1996.

That's really wild. Was the crash lost in the jungle?

oynot400
11-13-2002, 01:45 PM
Yes it was in the jungle on the side of a mountain. The pics that they took when they were digging up the area look real steep. I don't think I would want to ride up it with my quad. :eek:

Atreyu
11-13-2002, 04:33 PM
that reminds me about how many people went to war and died to build our country and prevent future wars and to say we need to go to war disrespects those who have fought..