ltz VS. ltr ????

[johnafun]

in my never ending battle to improve my 06ltz400 without building a whole new quad from the ground up. me and my freinds have found on a short track the ltz (when stock) was giving my ltr450 a pritty good run.so we started trying ways to improve the ltz's performance to give it a more equal chance .obviously in a long strieght away the ltr will out run the ltz AFTER IT GRABS TRACTION. 1 we lowerd it to get into the corners quicker with out tipping and gave it a pipe. that prevented the ltr from running into my rear end while going into a corner. but still cant go in as fast as the ltr.it comes out of the corners faster and thats where its advantage is.so next its getting rejeted and a rev extender.

so knowing that anyone got any suggestions to give the ltz a chance to piss off some ltr's on a tight track without spending to much money?

2 peaple have sugested swapping out rims and tires on both bikes. your thoughts on that? will the rears swap?

[jherbie28]

not sure on the switching parts other then i know that the front end is not interchangable but you can use the shocks. you need to widen the bike all the way around;) good suspension and handling alot of times over rules power, if you dont have the suspension to handle the power your not getting anywhere...imo. a good enough rider should be able to hang and beat a ltr on a ltz with the right bike. i have a set of +3 longtravel houser arms if interested, selling for pretty cheap $600 with proper spindles. good luck.



oh the rear tires and wheels will swap

[johnafun]

i agree. its all about the rider ,suspension and dont forget tires.unfortunetly i was affraid that my next step was to replace suspension Aarms and swing arm. thats further then i wanted to go. sorry i cant budget 600 anytime soon i just spent 300 on the ltz and got other projects going too. ltr,gsxr and a sea doo to keep up with but thanx for the offer

[jherbie28]

ok man, good luck with everything youll be allright;)

[klutch]

This bad boy has destroyed quite a few Lt-rs.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/klutchbuster350/erikawedding002Medium.jpg

[johnafun]

DAAAAAAM!!!!!!! thats a kick *** ride. i dont have any recent photos of mine since we started modifying it.ile get some after the new mods and number plates come in .but it isnt that special looks like every other stock ltz with a pipe and lowerd. even though i also own an ltr 450 .when my freinds and i go riding i choose to ride the ltz 400 and put my freinds on the ltr for these reasons #1 theyre less likly to tip the ltr , i love pushing the bike to its limits winding it out for a good fight with the ltr. the ltr has to much power for what it is and kind of takes the fun out of a challenge. the ltz is the perfect HP to weight ratio.

heres one of my fave rides<a href="http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/johnafun/?action=view&current=PICT0033.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/johnafun/PICT0033.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

everyone who reads this thread feel free to add a pic of your ride

[RATPACK Z400]

First get rid of stock tire there junk,wheelspacers or a-arms and axle for handling,430 strokerkit or 450,470 should get you there with the 450s I got spacers on front and wider axle on rear handles great my next step is 430kit the kit just drops in no machining new piston no bore its made by hotrod .

[johnafun]

yall need to stop puting these ideas in my head . i know i aked. but i was looking for cheap ideas and now your making me think. LOL . the 430 kit is sounds tempting if its that easy to put in. now widening with wheelspacers sounds good but i really am kinda queezy about theyre durabilety. how about a web site to look for this 430 kit and wider rear axle. ive allready located spacers.

[jherbie28]

wheel spacers are sketchy:ermm: i wouldent run them. also just be aware of the possible lack of reliability these motor kits will start to become. everything must be perfect when installed and put back together. not saying these kits are bad but, i have had personal BAD experience with big bore kits. also prone to blowing head gaskets:ermm: . good luck

in my opinion when you start adding more power to parts that are made for a smaller range of power parts can ware out faster....does that make sense(i know what im trying to say but i cant get it out of my head to the computer :p )

oh and the cheapest axle you can get is a g-force from rockymountainatv.com they are extended and seem to be pretty strong. $199.99

[johnafun]

i totally know what your thinking on more mods. ive built alot of sport bikes in my time. the best all around race bike is one that has no internal mods. just what we call "bolt on's" the more mods the more maintanance and more proned to break downs. but fast as hell. my gsxr above can outrun a hyabusa with a squid who spent 5000 on it and i spent 2500 and my bike stays off the lift more. dont get me wrong im no pro myself.im sure we'll all agree its all rider. i make better lap times on my ltz400 then i do on my ltr450. wich brings up a new question my ltr needs traction and i cant seem to find a rear tire to fit my needs.some times i feel like im racing on a ice rink with maxis razor but grabs great in damp soft ground any sugestions

[jherbie28]

kenda klaws are the best all around tire i have found, mx, trails, woods, playing anything cheap too:D something like $45 through rockymountainatv

[johnafun]

kenda claws i will try them. but first im gonna swap out rims and tires to see how the ltz handles with a lower profile and those maxis might get the ltz to break traction easyer into the turn and thats what im looking for. ltr slides to much and the ltz grabs to much. those stock tires sure do grab but get chewed up fast.the ltr's stock tires lasted 4 months .

[RATPACK Z400]

I,ve got an 03 Z 400 had spacers for almost 4yrs have had no problems with them I ride track, trails and hillclimb,mud,etc. spacers arent geometrically set up as good as aftermaket a-arms but arent that off either. I do huge 50ft tables,whoops,stepups etc. never had an issue and I put that quad though hell and back with no problems but Ive been lucky not to hit or crash it to bad either! Id love a-arms but just cant afford them cause you buy a-arms then you need rear end as well .But spacers & axle best bang for your buck for handling in my opion.

[soberagain150]

Originally posted by klutch
This bad boy has destroyed quite a few Lt-rs.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/klutchbuster350/erikawedding002Medium.jpg

isnt that your sisters boyfriends quad? i dont remember where but i could have swore that you said that once somewhere...

[jherbie28]

Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
I,ve got an 03 Z 400 had spacers for almost 4yrs have had no problems with them I ride track, trails and hillclimb,mud,etc. spacers arent geometrically set up as good as aftermaket a-arms but arent that off either. I do huge 50ft tables,whoops,stepups etc. never had an issue and I put that quad though hell and back with no problems but Ive been lucky not to hit or crash it to bad either! Id love a-arms but just cant afford them cause you buy a-arms then you need rear end as well .But spacers & axle best bang for your buck for handling in my opion.

thats cool man, like i said in my opinion they are JUNK, and no offense but 50ft tables are not big jumps:devil: also i have heard that the wheel spacers put alot of wear on the other front-end components because of the geomentry in the frontend:ermm:

[RATPACK Z400]

Yes they probably wear out bearings faster, but after 4yrs of riding all over the country I would have changed them anyway. you saying there junk but only going on what you,re heard, not what you know so you dont know for sure .And a 50ft table is pretty big jump, let me guess you can do 80ft-100ft. if you can lets see!show me some pics and I,ll believe you.javascript:smilie(':macho')

[johnafun]

ok guy's no need to get all uptight over an opinion over parts or who can jump higher. lets all agree that we love sport/racing quads or bike's in general. just might as well go to sturgis and explain the theory of why harly's are pieces of ****. or go to church and talk about pro choice and most of all trying to convert a muslim to christianety. LOL come on smile and give each other a hug .

but it would be fun to see you too race . come on down to texas and we'll hold grudge matches

[jherbie28]

he started it:p chill out dude if you want to see me ride come to breezewood this season ill be there, do you race? prince frederick is near budds right? if you do race what # are ya, im not tryin to diss ya brother wheel spacers are just a cheap way out and i dont personally think they are same for you or your bike thats all. no hard feelings:) how about that hug:devil:

[jherbie28]

oh and by the way, you want a picture look up the september issue of dirtwheels and in the letters section you will find a picture if both my bikes and a picture of me doing a 80ft down hill tripple:macho just thought id chim ya in:chinese:

[dan42684]

first, it is hard to pass on short tracks. i just won a indoor race beating 2 450's and a raptor. they started in the front row with me. but my buddies said after i got the holeshot i was pullin on them. also its all about the rider. all the mods i got are listed below, and my quad is real quick on a short track.

[jherbie28]

awsome man-congradulations:)

[RATPACK Z400]

Im not uptight I just cant stand when people say thats junk when they never tried them just hear say,thats all. dont mean to sound that way. I dont have the money too get a-arms so I went with next best thing.Believe me Id love a-arms and shocks just cant afford at this time so for handling spacers are the only thing possible and they,ve worked great have friends that say the same. I know this is no fight club and thats cool!sorry to chew you for that!

[johnafun]

well dan that sounds like a good simple packedge ya got there.pritty similer to how mine will be when its done on wensday.minus the spacer and plus the rev box. i think this combo i got will work well for my needs. and congrats on the win.my mechanic whos a close freind who just graduated mmi 6 months ago called and said that all thats left to do is shorten the chain , put the jets in , and clamp down the CRJ front lowering brackets!

DAN do you have the clanking of the CRJ's front brackets when the front wheels lifted and came back down? its not a pritty sound when you come off a jump and hear that clank from the tiny tiny play thats in them. so were puting square U bolts on them to keep them tight.

so ecsited i get off this dam boat next monday and by tuesday im hittin the track for some test run's

[dan42684]

ive never jumped my quad with the lowering kit on. i just dont trust it. prolly not good for the quad either. but i have heard it when i was unloading my quad from the truck by myself i let it roll off while i held the rear grab bar and it sounded pretty nasty. i wouldnt recommend jumping it while lowered. and thanks for the congrats my next race is on saterday. cant wait for it.

[jherbie28]

good luck brother:)

[dan42684]

thanks

[johnafun]

ya im a lil leary of the front CRJ's myself as far as jumping and major ruts. i choose my riding area carefully and im not a huge jumper the average jumps i do are smooth table tops that only launch you about 4-6 feet in the air and 10-20feet long at the most (thats just a guesstimet) anything larger ,steeper or ruffer i kick my freinds off my ltr450 and ride that.but for some reason i cant explain i love riding the ltz400 better.i think its because i love winding a bike out the rush of pushing the bike hard. the 450 just kinda hauls *** around the track in the higher gears low rpms, i dont know it like floats around the track passing everyone with no effort and thats really not that fun.rite up there with i used to race 600 sportbikes and recently i finally gave in and moved up to a 1000. i like it but i miss that fight. shoot i dont know im sure someone understands that