Hybrids?

[TingTingTing]

Are the Hybrid 450 quads faster than the production 450 quads?

[ICER88]

well the only thing i can say from experince. i had a 05 honda 450r and i thought that was really fast. 2 quads later i have a houser crf450 and no contest crf is faster. but thats my opinion

[TingTingTing]

i understand that you have a CRF hybrid but do you know if the yz450f hybrids just as fast?

[ss440ex]

Faster....

[400ex18]

why dont ya all just get a real mans quad like a 250r or a ltr 450!

[LT250Racer609]

Originally posted by 400ex18
why dont ya all just get a real mans quad like a 250r or a ltr 450!

Why dont you STFU and get out of this thread if your gonna be negative...here, i got some Info for your sarcastic ***

Had a 450R...

Had a Lonestar 250R..had a 265 on it, then a 310, then a CT 350...

Ridden, and drag raced a LT450R....

Long story short, My Hybrid smokes them. Fastest one out of a drag race, would be my CT350...on a MX track, forget it....

and they all handle like **** compared to my Hybrid. End of story. Theirs a reason for building hybrids, and its not only for the lightweight power, but the handling over every other quad.

[ss440ex]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said!:D

[400ex18]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUNNY ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheNewn]

I by no means have a huge knowledge of Hybrids but i'll just toss out my opinion.

I think that the purpose of Hybrids has come and gone, they were made to put a 450 Race motor into a quad before the OEM's were doing it. They only had them in their dirt bikes.

They usually used 250R frames of some sort i think, so they had a very nice handling, good HP 4 stroke quad.

But now that the Jap companies are making the 450 production quads, there's really no need in my opinion, just buy a 450R or YFZ450 and slap some money into them like you would a Hybrid.

Easier to match up and find parts, and more reliable i think. New 450's have great handling. especially after mods.

I found it kind of funny that the guy said Hybrids are the best handling things out. Most are made from 250R or 400EX geometry frames...they handle just like them. Only difference is power in my opinion.

To sum up, i'd rather have a 450 production quad, or a 250R over any Hybrid. Assuming both had equal amounts of money put into them.

Again, just my 0.02$

[raptorguy]

I'd have to disagree with Newn in my own experience. I have ridden a quite a few modded quads in the past and up until a month ago had a full Walsh YFZ and also a full Gibson YFZ. I recently sold the Walsh YFZ and bought a full Laeger CRF and it by far beats anything I have ever ridden as far as torque, handling, and suspension response. This is by far the best bike I have ever ridden and blows away anything production. I will say that with modifications, the new LTR is a very, very good platform to build atleast in my application a great motocross quad, but I would still take my hybrid for overall performance.

[LT250Racer609]

their is No Production quad out there that is going to out handle a Aftermarket 250R style chassies, with Axis, long travel front and rear suspension....with a torquey motor.

[TingTingTing]

thanks for the info guys. so wat motor would you guys suggest? The CRF450R or the YZ450F? which one do you guys think is faster and more reliable?

[TEABAGGER16]

oh thats an easy one the crf motor is by far the most reliable one and they put out major power over quad motor crf motor all the way no yamajunks

[quadracer118]

yeah go with the crf its a sick motor stay away from the yamajunk
most un reliable motor i have ever had

[TEABAGGER16]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa u tell him fooooooooooooooo

[jrspawn]

Wow, just read this thread and some of replies im going to totally disagree with also.

First the original question. A quad is only as fast as the rider. A good rider can be fast on anything.

Now for my .02 I have built my fair share of about every brand Hybrid and Production full race quads. And hands down, no questions asked from my exp., the hybrid handles better. BUT....... Not every hybrid chassis is going to handle better than everything else out there. Walsh is by far superior to every other chassis made. Laeger is right up there with it. Both with a narrow frame rail and cr500 linkage rear. Walsh is based of a 250r geometry but NOT a complete mimic of the original 250r design, the reason for its great handling. Too many people out there think hybrid chassis are just a chrome moly framed 250r, not even close, it is night and day compairing the handling of a stock 250r chassis and something like a walsh chassis.

Now to the engines. Im jsut gonna throw it out there, the ONLY reason the hype is SOOOO big about the CRF engines is because it Was the available 450 engine at the time the hybrids were at their peak. The yz426f's could make just as much if not more power than the crf, but took a little more work. Reliability? Well thats all in how you take care of your machine and the life its had. again from my exp. the CRF engines are by far more finiky and require more upkeep. Ive had "Yamajunk":huh engines that have had 2 complete seasons on them without being touched, and still ran like a top, guess i was a lucky one????

And finally the YZ450f. THE BEST ENGINE EVER MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yup i said it. Why didnt everyone run it???? Because when the engine was being released the production quads were right around the corner, and the hybrid scene was thinning down ALOT! the 03 yz450f 4 speed engine is as bullet proof as can be and the gearing/power is the absolute best ive ever seen for MX. Its just a shame the production quads stole the spotlight away from the hybrid scene before the companies could have put time on the yz450f's. But a couple comapnies like lost creek used the yz450f's in their last hybrids, and walsh built one True yz450f hybrid also. But again, the machines were short lived due to the production quads.

Sorry for the long post, but i really dont understand why people down things that they have never built or owned and dont even realize the true facts.

Thank you
Justin

[ss440ex]

The yz`s have flawless transmissions also.

[TRX450RACER174]

I have no exp building a Hybrid but have rode a CRF/Lonestar 400ex geo Hybrid, in fact it was Figair's and this thing was unbelievable the way it handled the power was amazing and i'm a tall guy it fit me way better than my 06 450er, you can go out and buy a production 450 but if you want it to be a part of you the Hybrid is a sick machine.

[figair]

Thanks Erik,
She is Smoooth............
Well, I have had both Machines at the same time. The 03yz450f and the still have the 03crf450..
My conclusion:
yz Motor, hold on because this motor is fricken wicked...Like JRSOAWN said, you have to have the 03yz450f motor though.
This motor pulls like no other, from 1st through 4th. The only thing I didnt like about it is that you feel every gear shifting.MAking you work and hold on a little more..But, hands down this motor is by far quicker,and I think more reliable than the crf..

The crf is fast aswell do not get me wrong, But, what i really like about the crf is it's smooth..From shifting to midair. TO ME it is easier to handle. You cannot feel your self shifting its so smooth. So I was less fatique w/the crf. Compared to the yz.. The crf motor I think needs more attention to though. Valves, adj,ect...
So there ya have it, MY CONCLUSION(So dont rip me a new one if you dissagree)
YZ-More power-I think more reliable
crf-smoother-easier to control
Eddie

[TingTingTing]

ok thanks for all the info. i think i am going to make a YZ450F hybrid.

But whats the best frame to use?

And what exhaust? a-arms/swinger? shocks?

[figair]

Everyone like the 250r based frames.. I personally ike the 400 geometry. I would buy, whatever I can get for the best price...
Shoot, i almost forgot. I have a frame that i had my yz450f in..You will have to do nothing just drop it in..Comes w/oil tank, motor mounts,Airbox,aor boot..Check it out..

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=324516

[jrspawn]

Originally posted by TingTingTing
ok thanks for all the info. i think i am going to make a YZ450F hybrid.

But whats the best frame to use?

And what exhaust? a-arms/swinger? shocks?


Hey whats up, i have a full Walsh YZ rolling chassis here right now thats for sale actually. All new and fresh, just finished the powdercoating and starting assembeling it. I was planning on building an engine for it, but id also sell as a rolling chassis, let me know if your interested.

Heres a couple pics.. Full walsh true YZ chassis, narrow frame, cr500 link rear, all new and fresh powdercoating, new custom axis shocks all the way around, and a bunch of other goodies. I just threw on some used wheels and tires on it for some quick pics.

Thank you
Justin

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/jrspawn/Newwalsh11-16-070041.jpg
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[LT250Racer609]

I thought you had the big rezzie PEPS on there...why'd you go with Axis?

[jrspawn]

Originally posted by LT250Racer609
I thought you had the big rezzie PEPS on there...why'd you go with Axis?

Im guessing you were asking me? The pics of the walsh posted is a totally new a different Walsh than any of other ones/builds. Ive had this complete chassis for a long time now just sitting in the corner, just now decided to build it up. As for shocks, ive used pep's on alot of my other quads, and they are a great shock. Im a big time axis guy though, cant beat the shock or the service! These were built new for this setup and have been waiting till i started the build.

Thank you
Justin

[LT250Racer609]

ooo i thought this was the Hybrid you offered to sell me online. Nevermind.

[TingTingTing]

What do you guys think would look better

FRAME
suzuki blue

A-ARMS
suzuki blue

SWINGER
suzuki blue

white plastics

OR

FRAME
Suzuki blue

A-ARMS
white

SWINGER
white

white plastics

[TingTingTing]

What year CRF450 motor is the best or are they mostly all the same?

[Ripitupfilms]

Originally posted by TingTingTing
What year CRF450 motor is the best or are they mostly all the same?

03 yz450f haha. im glad justin chimmed in on this post. everyone gives me schit on y i have a hybrid all the time. its simple. east to work on awesome power and even greater handling

[Hondamaster5505]

I have the main reason hybrids are faster than regular quads.

For some reason, manufactures tune down the motors for atv's. They lower the compression, etc.

If you notice, the average 450 atv puts out about 38hp.

If you look at 450 dirtbikes (where the atv motors derived from) They are putting down an average of 52hp.

Thats why hybrids are usually faster

[TingTingTing]

Is that the HP with the dirtbike motor in the frame?

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by TingTingTing
Is that the HP with the dirtbike motor in the frame?

well, yeah.

Stock yfz450 = 38hp

Stock yzf450 = 52hp

So if you use the dirtbike engines you'll have alot faster bike than if you used an atv engine.

[Hondamaster5505]

yz426's are around 46hp i think.

Thats why most people that build hybrids take them out of dirtbikes.

[TheNewn]

I think most 450's are a bit more than that now, about 40HP+. Also, if you dyno a motor in a quad chassis, it'll obviously be less HP than a quad in a dirt bike chassis. More the motor has to turn in a quad. So the power difference isnt THAT much in my opinion.

Also, not many racers are leaving their motors stock anyway, you could easily make a 450R the same as a CRF450. And their upper ceiling for power is the same.

Just my opinion.