Proposed GNCC youth classes for 08

[mcatvme]

What's everyone's thought on this? I can say this much, I believe this will hurt the series if they go through with it. This is NOT what we talked about at the meeting after the banquet. Sound off and lets see what you think!!!!!

[hr15]

I am surprised they did not bring up the newly proposed cc limits at the meeting.I wonder where they came up with the 112cc 2 stroke limit?I think the increase is to give a little help to the non Cobras in the class.What happens when someone figures out how to take a Cobra to that cc range? Does anyone make a "Production" 150 four stroke atv?

[azextreme]

so what are the classes???

[mcatvme]

Proposed 2008 classes are"
Super Mini 13-15 71-105 2stroke 75-150 4stroke
90 mod 12-15 71-90 125max
90 mod 8-11 " "
90 limited 12-15 no manual clutch
90 limited 8-11 " "
70 CVT 6-11 CVT only

All cobras must race in the Super Mini class
All classes are Production classes

[mcatvme]

They dont make a 150 mini. I just dont get it. I thought they where just going to add a super mini class that was to be 11-15 year olds 90cc max 2 stroke and 125max 4stroke and make it a manual clutch class and put the cobras in there. Did i miss something at the meeting. I will be calling them on monday to get more info but i think this will kill the class structure. As for the 150 limit on the 4strokes- the honda WONT hold together with those types of cc. Again this is just my opinon.

Originally posted by hr15
I am surprised they did not bring up the newly proposed cc limits at the meeting.I wonder where they came up with the 112cc 2 stroke limit?I think the increase is to give a little help to the non Cobras in the class.What happens when someone figures out how to take a Cobra to that cc range? Does anyone make a "Production" 150 four stroke atv?

[mcatvme]

Here are some numbers from last year:
11-15 mod class had 267 entrys avg. attend. 21
8-10 mod class had 108 entrys avg. attend. 8
11-15 limited class had 237 entrys avg. attend. 18
8-10 limited class had 198 entrys avg. attend. 15
6-11 70cc CVT class had 115 entrys avg. attend. 9

I think those are some good numbers for class avg. The series is only 3 years old.

[hr15]

I originally thought the 2 stroke limit was 112cc,which seemed to be a strange #.The 105/150 seems to follow dirt bike cc limits.That would be great if they would allow us a hybrid atv.I think they are worried about racers showing up on a hybrid that has a 250r frame and that could be dangerous due to the heavier frame.I wish they would allow the hybrid youth quads and limit them to a production mini quad frame.TRX90 frame + CR85 engine = competative, reliable GNCC Youth ATV....not gonna happen.

[cwjr]

I agree...This is not the class that we discussed at the meeting...How many riders will the 13-15 class bring ????This means that my son will have 7 yrs of GNCC experience before he can race in the front row?

[renae]

The CC limit was discussed at the meeting. Remember they were talking to I think it was Hetrick it may have been someone eles I don't know he was asking because of the new qauds he was proposing to build. He said that if there wasn't going to be a place for them then he wouldn't build them but if they could up the cc limit then he would build them.

[hr15]

Has anyone gotten a response from RP?

[mcatvme]

Originally posted by renae
The CC limit was discussed at the meeting. Remember they were talking to I think it was Hetrick it may have been someone eles I don't know he was asking because of the new qauds he was proposing to build. He said that if there wasn't going to be a place for them then he wouldn't build them but if they could up the cc limit then he would build them.
It WAS NOT Hetrick that wants to up the cc limit. Its some pit bike company thats THINKING of making a 150 mini quad. Yes it was discussed a little and then shelved because of the age limit and reliablity of the 4strokes. Everyone need to call RP and voice there opinons on this. If not then what you see is what youll get for next year then. :(

[aasco90]

gncc hey guys just wanted to know what do they do with the hybrids? blasters with cr85 motors ,250r s with with same .

[ATV403]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by aasco90
gncc hey guys just wanted to know what do they do with the hybrids? blasters with cr85 motors ,250r s with with same . [
QUOTE]
There is no class at this time for that type of youth quad.

[hr15]

Originally posted by ATV403
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aasco90
gncc hey guys just wanted to know what do they do with the hybrids? blasters with cr85 motors ,250r s with with same . [
QUOTE]
There is no class at this time for that type of youth quad.

I spoke with RP today and they informed me there were no plans to add such a class in the forseeable future. :(

[mcatvme]

I called RP and talked to Jason Weigandt today. I gave him my opinion and he seemed to take it all in. He would like to here from everyone as as soon as possible. I think that they just need to add 1 new class thats for 11-15 year old with 2 stroke 90cc limit and 4 stroke 125 limit and make it a manual clutch class and put all Cobras in there. What you opinion racers?

[aasco90]

thats what im talking about:D yes a shifter class 70cc to 90cc two stroke 125 four stroke, is'nt a jb90 a hybrid? it seams alot of fathers are building hybrids here on the west coast and im hoping they will allow hybrid 250 four strokes in the up coming 250 youth classes.

[cwjr]

i agree...I hope its an 11-15 class so my son could be on the front row in a couple of years. I also agree with the 90 2stroke and 125 4-stroke manual clutch/cobra class. This is the class that we discussed at the meeting.

[mcatvme]

Have you called and talked to Jason? He wants to here from everyone.

[hr15]

Originally posted by mcatvme
Have you called and talked to Jason? He wants to here from everyone.

I have talked to him and just emailed him again,your right it needs to go beyond this forum,call soon!

[renae]

Just posted is the new 2008 proposed rule book from the GNCC web site.

9. Super Mini: (71-105cc 2-strk; 75-150cc 4-strk) production models. Manual and automatic clutch models eligible. Cobra 90cc shifter models restricted to this class.

10. 90 Modified: (71-90cc 2-strk; 75-125cc 4-strk) production models. Cobra70cc automatic models restricted to this class.

[skyeryder]

Is there ever gonna be a 4-6 50cc class???? If my boy wants to race we basically have to do mx for 2years, hopefully he'll want to go to the woods after that 2 years, also it's gonna keep me away from GNCC can't afford all the travel for two different series. Is it cause the youth tracks are so long... Or would you have to set up a different track for that age group??? Just wondering

[aasco90]

what does that mean , supermini 71-105 production models? is this going to include hybrids 71 to 105cc ? blaster with 85 motor, cobra with rm85, 250r with cr85, ect.

[renae]

Originally posted by aasco90
what does that mean , supermini 71-105 production models? is this going to include hybrids 71 to 105cc ? blaster with 85 motor, cobra with rm85, 250r with cr85, ect.

no hybrids there has to be at least 100 in production.

. Production Rule: OEM motor and matching frame combination model. Frame geometry must remain as designed by the OEM, including all suspension pivot points. Engine modifications, frame reinforcements, and aftermarket A-arms, swing-arms and suspension are permitted. AMA homologation required, i.e., 100 identical machines available.

[aasco90]

so what is a supermini? no hybrids i think the sport is being held back do to manufactures influents , why is there no open class 71 to 105cc anything go's ? .

[renae]

That would be a question for Jason at Racer Productions. I would send him an email or call him and talk to him.

[hr15]

Originally posted by aasco90
so what is a supermini? no hybrids i think the sport is being held back do to manufactures influents , why is there no open class 71 to 105cc anything go's ? .

I have had no luck trying to get your point across,I agree there is a place for hybrids at the GNCC's.

On a side note,the age range for the Super Mini class is still 13 - 15,anyone with another idea about age please email soon.When I last spoke to RP they had not heard much negative feedback about the ages for that class.

[QuadJunkies]

I agree with aasco90 on this one.
Shifter Prod.
Shifter Open
Shifter Sport
ECT..thats what we run in WORCS and it works.
Until we see more shifters style minis that are Prod. based off the ages for the under 200cc's at least an open class should be implimented IMO.Not everyone wants to race a Cobra and I caznt think of really anything else that shifts in that CC range thats not a Semi CVT.
There are places to put these kids if there is demand there for them,and Im sure there is .
Eventually as the class grows we will need a breakdown on the CC's to make the classes abit more fair, but we are just happy in the West we have this class to run in.
To me all this means is more riders willing to pay more money to race!:macho