yfz 450 or trx 450r [Archive]

07250ex

10-25-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by BlaineKaiser450
im going to say 1st that i have never ridden a yfz, but i have a 450r and: all around; great: power; great and mods very well: speed; ok, but mine is geared lower for acceleration: handleing; pretty good but feels sorta tippy

there both close but a yfz is and feels more stable and i belive yfz's have more mid and top end rush

Kickstarts-suck

10-25-2007, 10:18 PM

omg do a search

like 500 threads on this subject.. getting tired of seeing it..

ridered92

10-25-2007, 10:19 PM

kickstartssuck if you dont like the thread dont read or respond to it thanks

07250ex

10-25-2007, 10:27 PM

450s are faster then preds

ridered92

10-25-2007, 10:28 PM

the yfz is way more expencive than a 450r thansk for the replys

250r4life

10-26-2007, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by ridered92
the yfz is way more expencive than a 450r thansk for the replys

there is a reason for that...

RideRed84

10-26-2007, 02:40 AM

If your going to mod go 450R if you wanna stay stock go YFZ
450R=great suspension and reliability
YFZ= good suspension and fast

mx1791

10-26-2007, 07:02 AM

450r's have horrible suspension and handling. and i dont like the rider position. i like the way the yfz handles but i dont like the way the power is delivered. its really up to you, but imo the yfz is better.

reptikes

10-26-2007, 04:11 PM

If you are not racing it shouldn't matter. If you get a YFZ someone will have a 450r thats better,faster, meaner, you get the 450r someone will have a YFZ that better, faster, meaner! Someone always has a faster, better, meaner quad!

And the 450r doesn't have horrible suspension and handling, it's just not as good as some 450's. It's deffinantly better than your 300ex and better than any of the 400's.

ridered92

10-26-2007, 05:32 PM

thanks for all your opptions im going ot get a trx 450r every one says they are mpre reliable and can take more of a beating and plus cant go wrong with honda

BlaineKaiser450

10-26-2007, 05:41 PM

mx1791

10-26-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by reptikes
If you are not racing it shouldn't matter. If you get a YFZ someone will have a 450r thats better,faster, meaner, you get the 450r someone will have a YFZ that better, faster, meaner! Someone always has a faster, better, meaner quad!

And the 450r doesn't have horrible suspension and handling, it's just not as good as some 450's. It's deffinantly better than your 300ex and better than any of the 400's.
the 450r has THE WORST stock rear end out of all the 450s, and imo i think its the tippiest stock 450

Sjorge450R

10-26-2007, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by mx1791
the 450r has THE WORST stock rear end out of all the 450s, and imo i think its the tippiest stock 450

see my R is setup stock dimension wise, but i have never really noticed putting it up on two wheels at a race (im talking about the side wheels)

i do it for fun sometimes, but i have never noticed it wanting to do it.

TRX450RACER174

10-26-2007, 06:30 PM

I ride both and they both have there good and bad points,
The 450R does fell taller and is a little harder to steer in the corners, and the rear end can be cured with a link and shock work. The YFZ is more confortable to ride i am 6'2 and the rider position is better but like others said the power is really weird on that bike it's like all or nothing no gradual roll on power, buy what feels best to you cause if you don't you will be unhappy trying to make it feel better for you.

450raider

10-26-2007, 06:43 PM

wow didnt think this post would stick around this long.... ill give my first ever non biased opinion about a yami (you see i bash em cause ive had a few yami bikes/quads before and they turn out to be one problem after another), firstly when i got my 04 R i test rode it and an 05 yfz... now IMO the yfz sucked in every way compared to the R which is why i got it but nowadays when you talk about the 08's they are both totally different machines i have all access to a 07/8 R and i think its a blast to ride (and i give it an edge above my R for the estart) but have not ridden a new yfz so they may be worth a look so in conclusion if you go new i say size em up and go with what you want but if your going used, with my personal encounters with yamis in general (not the yfz!!) you cant miss with a nice 06ER.

just my thoughts

10-26-2007, 07:50 PM

omg i see these threads all the time. every yamaha rider complains about the tippiness of the 450r. and every honda rider complains about how the yfz is small and the power aint good. PIC UR FAV> COLOR AND RIDE!!!! you cant go wrong with either!!!!

10-26-2007, 08:05 PM

as long as u dont get the polaris or raptor i think u'll be fine

10-26-2007, 08:10 PM

I'm a yfz rider, and I raced a stock 450r at my last race, here's what I thought.
Junk.
The power...Well there was no power. It was sooo slow.
The handling..lol, handles like a brick. Way to tall and tippy, can't attack any turns, you have to be careful.
The riding position was all off, it was way to uncomfortable when you would lean into a turn.
And I'm comparing this to my YFZ when it was stock.
Stock for Stock I'd take a YFZ again. It handles so much better, my friend with a ltr said it handled better than his LTR. Oh and it actually has some balls. I rode plenty of 450rs with pipes and they still didnt really impress me.

10-26-2007, 08:13 PM

[i]Originally posted by nofearrider1 [/i
I'm a yfz rider, and I raced a stock 450r at my last race, here's what I thought.
Junk.
The power...Well there was no power. It was sooo slow.
The handling..lol, handles like a brick. Way to tall and tippy, can't attack any turns, you have to be careful.
The riding position was all off, it was way to uncomfortable when you would lean into a turn.
And I'm comparing this to my YFZ when it was stock.
Stock for Stock I'd take a YFZ again. It handles so much better, my friend with a ltr said it handled better than his LTR. Oh and it actually has some balls. I rode plenty of 450rs with pipes and they still didnt really impress me.

pss yamahamer ego

reptikes

10-27-2007, 05:27 AM

nofearrider1 you have to be the dumbest f@*k in this whole thread. Obviously you are not that good of a rider, if you couldn't handle the 450r. (It scared me, i had to be carefull), then go get a Big Wheels maybe that will better suit you.

When us grown folks are typing, go clean your room or find something to do.

10-27-2007, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by reptikes
nofearrider1 you have to be the dumbest f@*k in this whole thread. Obviously you are not that good of a rider, if you couldn't handle the 450r. (It scared me, i had to be carefull), then go get a Big Wheels maybe that will better suit you.

When us grown folks are typing, go clean your room or find something to do.

lol okkkk. I said it handled like ****. Which it did, but i still placed 4th on it. I didn't mean handle as in, "oh my good to much powerrrr" I meant as in TURNING. It doesn't turn. Ever ride a YFZ, handles like its on rails. Its like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy.
My one friend that races a Walsh/fox 450r even said there junk in stock form. I'm sure there great with aftermarket suspension on it, like everything else is.
Oh and if the 450r scared you, maybe your the one that should be on bigwheels:macho
And no I'm not brand biased, I actully wanted a 450r till I rode the YFZ.

300_14_racer

10-27-2007, 08:39 AM

youll be happy either way, what kinda riding do you do? i personally like the yfz better

Toadz400

10-27-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by 07250ex
450s are faster then preds

Predators have a lot of torque and it's very smooth. They've also got plenty of top end. For trail riding I would love a Predator with reverse. The stock suspension is more than enough (Fox) and soaks up everything on the trails.

As for YFZ vs 450R. It's all personal preference. Whichever one feels more comfortable to you and which ever one suits your style better. There is no big difference between the two besides power delivery. The newer YFZ's have a smooth powerband and the newer 450R's have a more aggressive powerband, while the older models of both are vice versa.

67mopar

10-27-2007, 03:06 PM

k, im in pretty much the same situation but with different bikes. i have a 300ex and am saving for either a 450r, yfz or outlaw 450. i do alot of trail riding and would like to go to a race every now and then and i can get a outlaw 450 or 450r for alot better prices than the yfz from the dealers around me, so basically how deos the 450r compare to an outlaw 450. i kno they just came out but im sure someone on here has ridden one. thanx

XXXRACER165

10-27-2007, 04:31 PM

Here's the deal, flip a coin!

ridered92

10-27-2007, 05:47 PM

i do alot o woods riding and fast trail riding and pits when i run across them and i am buying used im going to look at a 450r wendsday not sure of the year my brother saw it and forgot to tell me

Toadz400

10-28-2007, 09:17 AM

First off I would definitely ride both quads before buying one. They have a completely different feel to them and that makes all the difference. The 450R does feel taller and tippier while the YFZ is feels smaller and hugs the ground it seems. I got the YFZ because it felt like a 2-stroke and it just fit me. I had ridden a 450R (Before any other 450's came out) and I personally strongly disliked it. Felt very tall compared to the YFZ and taller than a 400. Felt tippy due to the taller stance and the brakes seemed way too touchy for my liking. I had taken it over some jumps and it seemed to soak them up fine but like someone else said, I noticed the rear end was not favorable. That was my own personal take on it though so go out and ride them for yourself.

xtullyx16

10-28-2007, 06:38 PM

save ur money and get sumthin even better than the yfz and 450r .. the ltr450.. it has a extended axle stock form and has good suspension.. it deff. alot more but its worth it .. But i've never ridden one and i've heard the ltr's is underpowered compared to the other 450's in stock form

TRX450RACER174

10-28-2007, 07:13 PM

ridered92

10-28-2007, 07:14 PM

im going to get a 450r

Toadz400

10-28-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by ridered92
im going to get a 450r

What made you decide that?

ridered92

10-28-2007, 07:59 PM

every one i talked to had ups and down on both machines but i got a lot of positive feed back from the 450r and because theres on for sale localy for 2500 but if that dosent go threw then im back to fase one

ridered92

10-28-2007, 08:00 PM

and depends witch one i can get cheaper because i like both

tooanxiousii

10-28-2007, 08:15 PM

you can't go wrong with honda!!!!!!!! mine runs great... love it

TRUE

10-28-2007, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Polak1035
as long as u dont get the polaris or raptor i think u'll be fine

What's wrong with Polaris? What's wrong with the Raptor? The Polaris 450MXR will smoke, out run, raw hide, moan and tale hide both the YFZ450 and 450R. ;) That my friend is a fact.

ridered92

10-28-2007, 08:20 PM

is there any common problems with the trx450r? and are there any common problems with the yfz 450

10-28-2007, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by TRUE
What's wrong with Polaris? What's wrong with the Raptor? The Polaris 450MXR will smoke, out run, raw hide, moan and tale hide both the YFZ450 and 450R. ;) That my friend is a fact.

lol oh deff. you must have one. whats the best pipe for it? :rolleyes:

67mopar

10-28-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by ridered92
is there any common problems with the trx450r? and are there any common problems with the yfz 450

TRUE

10-28-2007, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by nofearrider1
lol oh deff. you must have one. whats the best pipe for it? :rolleyes:
Stock with the extra large purple powerband.

Seriously, I don't have a 450MXR. I have a YFZ450. :bandit:

67mopar

10-28-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by TRUE
What's wrong with Polaris?

Toadz400

10-29-2007, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by ridered92
is there any common problems with the trx450r? and are there any common problems with the yfz 450

The 450R had plenty of common problems and recalls but so did the YFZ and the LTR.

Did Honda ever fix the bad cranks on the 450R? Last time I looked into it they fixed their bad crank by putting in a much cheaper bearing causing more problems.

As for the YFZ the '04 and some rare instances of '05's had charging problems. The '04 you needed to buy a plug for the decompression hole in the jug. '04-'06's it's recommended getting the "Oil Upgrade" done (do a search) as the wrist pins didn't get enough oil.

I also remember seeing a lot of the 450R frames breaking/cracking at a certain location. The YFZ also was prone to cracking because of the extra stress the poorly designed subframe put on the frame.

Basically all the 450's are going to have problems. They're race machines, it's expected. You really need to go over any machine you're buying with a fine tooth comb. Check for cracks anywhere in the frame, oil leaks, any other things that might not look right (excessive wear, bent handlebars usually indicate being rolled, stress in the plastics, etc.).

250r4life

10-29-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by reptikes
If you are not racing it shouldn't matter. If you get a YFZ someone will have a 450r thats better,faster, meaner, you get the 450r someone will have a YFZ that better, faster, meaner! Someone always has a faster, better, meaner quad!

true... but if you get a YFZ there are going to be a lot less 450r's that are better, faster, meaner than YFZs that are better, faster, and meaner than if you get a 450r...

250r4life

10-29-2007, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by ridered92
thanks for all your opptions im going ot get a trx 450r every one says they are mpre reliable and can take more of a beating and plus cant go wrong with honda

fortunately for honda, theyre still reaping the benefits of what they did back in the 80s... they havent done too much and have been way too conservative since 89 (trx 250r)...

however, they built such a legendary bike 20 years ago, that was head and shoulders above anything else in performance and reliability, that theyre still living off the reputation...

actually, the early 450Rs were not reliable at all... they had major issues...

and yes- you can go wrong with a honda... buying a bike that is slower and has inferior suspension- its pretty easy to go wrong...

TRUE

10-29-2007, 12:14 PM

Yamaha is the new Honda....Honda's were the machines that was reliable, most powerful back in the 80-90s but Honda isn't what they used to be.
Yamaha is now the reliable, most powerful machines now. Sad, but true. Ride BLUE or ORANGE!

cdrookie

10-29-2007, 02:12 PM

powerfulest is a word?

and the 250r's weren't the most powerful(est?) of the 250 2 strokes. also the mojave was more powerfulest than hondas 250x.

TRUE

10-29-2007, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by cdrookie
powerfulest is a word?

I miswrote the word.

Anyhow, you should remove the links from your signature and custom user text below your username.
I'm sure you don't want to be banned.

cdrookie

10-29-2007, 05:30 PM

they've been there for a long time. if admin or the mods have a problem with them they can let me know or just remove them.

Toadz400

10-29-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by 250r4life
fortunately for honda, theyre still reaping the benefits of what they did back in the 80s... they havent done too much and have been way too conservative since 89 (trx 250r)...

however, they built such a legendary bike 20 years ago, that was head and shoulders above anything else in performance and reliability, that theyre still living off the reputation...

actually, the early 450Rs were not reliable at all... they had major issues...

and yes- you can go wrong with a honda... buying a bike that is slower and has inferior suspension- its pretty easy to go wrong...

I didn't want to be bashed for saying it so I put it a little bit nicer for Honda, but it's true.

As for the early 450R's not being reliable, did they get more reliable with the '06 and on?

10-29-2007, 07:58 PM

the crank problems were fixed on the 05 models
I have 3 450r's and havent had any problems with them. They great and in my opinion their the most reliable. I dont have a problem with any other brand but even at the races i talk to riders and many favor the R becuase of its reliabity but of course every moving part must ware out at some point. Nothing lasts forever

ridered92

10-29-2007, 08:32 PM

polka how much for your 450r?

10-29-2007, 08:37 PM

$3,600

ridered92

10-29-2007, 08:47 PM

nice quad but i dont got that much

Toadz400

10-31-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Polak1035
the crank problems were fixed on the 05 models
I have 3 450r's and havent had any problems with them. They great and in my opinion their the most reliable. I dont have a problem with any other brand but even at the races i talk to riders and many favor the R becuase of its reliabity but of course every moving part must ware out at some point. Nothing lasts forever

They fixed the crank problem but that caused another problem because they switched to extremely cheap bearings. I know the '04's and '05's were notorious for having bad cranks.

Flyin-Low

10-31-2007, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by xtullyx16
save ur money and get sumthin even better than the yfz and 450r .. the ltr450.. it has a extended axle stock form and has good suspension.. it deff. alot more but its worth it .. But i've never ridden one and i've heard the ltr's is underpowered compared to the other 450's in stock form

"and has good suspension.."

HAHA

The LTR has by far the worst suspension in the 450 class. Everyone that has one has complained about it.

Not to mention the LTR is crap if you do your own mechanical work. You gotta' remove the friggin gas tank to even take out the spark plug.

-Martin

reconmaster

10-31-2007, 05:55 PM

well even though i ride a yfz i have ridden both stock and modded yfzs and trxs
the yfz feels more comfortable and has ahard hitting power which i like the suspension is pretty good and being aguy who has no use of his legs or very little use of his trunk i find the yfz easy to steer. now for the trx smooth power which i like but i still prefer a hard hit, i did like the handling but i still preferred the yfzs i jumped it landed really smooth and took off nice. i found seating to be comfortable as well.
all quads when they 1st come out will have problems just a known fact....but thing is alot of pro racers ran hondas this year and majority of championships were won on hondas and from what i heard from other people don't take my word for it but hondas have the most potential out there for power gains out of the trx, yfz, and ltr so if your lookin to make tons of power honda could be your choice.
stock for stock i felt the yamaha has more power, better handlling, and ergos so if your on a low bidget and doing small upgrades at a time and rather have the lovely feature of electric start(comes in handy for us paralyzed folk) then get the yfz.
personally i do feel dirthweels reviews are really biased towards the yamaha so don't always rely on them even thought there mag kicks ***.
as far as i am concerned as long as your riding and your comfortable on what ever quad you buy tahts all that matters; it's better than sitting on your arse not pinning the throttle