4:1 hipers with stock a-arms????

[gotwarrior]

I may have found a good deal on hipers.. (4:1 fronts) But my plan for this winter was to have my shocks revalved by gt thunder and continue to run stock a-arms.. now my question is.. how bad would it be to run 4:1 fronts with this front end setup?? I know the 4:1's give you less feadback.. but they will also make me two inches narrow.. which kind of worries me..

What do you guys think i should do.. turn around and try to get 3:2's or run the 4:1's

[mx1791]

my stock honda rims where the same offset as my douglas 4-1's. when i put 3-2s on my quad its 2 inches wider then stock rims. so you should be fine

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by mx1791
my stock honda rims where the same offset as my douglas 4-1's. when i put 3-2s on my quad its 2 inches wider then stock rims. so you should be fine


:huh What? Stock rims are very close to a 3:2 rim. They're more like 3:2.5.

[Aceman]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
:huh What? Stock rims are very close to a 3:2 rim. They're more like 3:2.5.

I replaced stock(I believe they were 450r?)rims on my 250r with 4:1 Hipers also, expecting it to narrow the front end up. To my surprise, they are very close to the same offset. From what I remember the Hipers were closer to an 1.5" than 1."

[400exrider707]

Ok fair enough, I've never owned a set so I cant say. Are you guys measuring the tire or the rim though?

[bradley300]

stock honda wheels are 3.5x1.5 4+1 wheels will mak you an inch narrower total, 3+2 wheels will make you an inch wider total

also there is a wheel company that dosent make a true 4+1 wheel, i want to say its hiper, but i havent measured

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by bradley300
stock honda wheels are 3.5x1.5 4+1 wheels will mak you an inch narrower total, 3+2 wheels will make you an inch wider total

also there is a wheel company that dosent make a true 4+1 wheel, i want to say its hiper, but i havent measured

Thanks, I cant ever remember what size stock honda wheels are for some reason...

Hipers never looked like 4:1 to me, but I've never had a set in my hands to measure for certain though... Just comparing them to an aluminum one like my douglas rolled edge ones, they didn't look close.

[gotwarrior]

I was just hoping that if i ran the 4:1's that i wouldn't be to narrow.. but a inch really isn't that bad.. Now is there really a difference as far as the trail feadback?

[mx1791]

most people say you can feel a difference in 4-1 over 3-2 but i cant at all. 3-2 isnt like having flipped rims, so you wont feel bumpsteer with them. and 4-1s dont feel any better. ive had both..
you wont notice the .5 inch narrower with 4-1 hipers over stock either. so you should get the hipers imo

[gotwarrior]

Cool... now i just have to round up some money so i can get em.. the only reason why i ask is because i hear nothing but good thing about running stock a-arms and gtthunder revalves.. cheaper and just about the same performance for XC..

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by mx1791
most people say you can feel a difference in 4-1 over 3-2 but i cant at all. 3-2 isnt like having flipped rims, so you wont feel bumpsteer with them. and 4-1s dont feel any better. ive had both..
you wont notice the .5 inch narrower with 4-1 hipers over stock either. so you should get the hipers imo


No matter what offset you run, bumpsteer is unchanged.

[mx1791]

well i've always heard when you flip your rims, or have 3-2's over 4-1's, you feel more bumpsteer. i never have its always felt the same..

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by mx1791
well i've always heard when you flip your rims, or have 3-2's over 4-1's, you feel more bumpsteer. i never have its always felt the same..

My point is your understanding of bumpsteer is wrong, read up about it, wheel offset has nothing to do with it

[mx1791]

ahh ill read about it some time when im not so tired. atleast i know that rim offset has nothing to do with it :)

[Aceman]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Ok fair enough, I've never owned a set so I cant say. Are you guys measuring the tire or the rim though?

I measured the wheel. From the hub side to where the bead seats. If Bradley's measurements are correct and I believe they are, then the 4:1 Hipers are exactly the same offset as stock wheels.

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by Aceman
I measured the wheel. From the hub side to where the bead seats. If Bradley's measurements are correct and I believe they are, then the 4:1 Hipers are exactly the same offset as stock wheels.

So an advertised 4:1 hiper is not truly 4:1 then?

[bradley300]

Originally posted by mx1791
well i've always heard when you flip your rims, or have 3-2's over 4-1's, you feel more bumpsteer. i never have its always felt the same..

your just confusing two different things that are confused alot, no problem.

what changes with wheel offset is steering feedback or the twitchyness you feel in the bars. alot of people confuse it for bumpsteer, because when you hit a bump, the quad seems to steer its self. this is the issue you combat with 4+1 wheels

the real bumpsteer, is toe change as the wheel cylces thru its travel. in this case the wheel is just along for the ride, the way to cure bumpsteer is a-arm pivot/ tierod mounting location

[bradley300]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
So an advertised 4:1 hiper is not truly 4:1 then?

apparently not from hiper. so your problem wont get better, but its not going to get worse either. so add the fact that your getting extremely strong wheels, and they are beadlocks and the have any adverse effects, they are still a good buy. regardless of the true offset, i will always use them. you wouldnt really notice the less twitchyness in a half inch anyway. going fro a 3+2 to a 4+1 you would notice some change, but not a 3.5+1.5 to a 4+1

[Aceman]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
So an advertised 4:1 hiper is not truly 4:1 then?

I'll measure them in a few days, both the stock wheels and Hipers just to double check. I don't want to post an answer until I'm 100% sure.

[gotwarrior]

This thread wasn't about the idea of what the offset of a hiper is... it was about by these 4:1's.. good? bad? with stock arms...

[Aceman]

It seemed like the guy that posted 2nd answered your question.......

If it's still not clear, 4:1 Hipers will work fine. Happy?

[gotwarrior]

it was just a simple question that didn't need any extra..

[JOEX]

Originally posted by gotwarrior
it was just a simple question that didn't need any extra..
But the extra info can be helpful for others who may read this thread;)

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by bradley300
apparently not from hiper. so your problem wont get better, but its not going to get worse either. so add the fact that your getting extremely strong wheels, and they are beadlocks and the have any adverse effects, they are still a good buy. regardless of the true offset, i will always use them. you wouldnt really notice the less twitchyness in a half inch anyway. going fro a 3+2 to a 4+1 you would notice some change, but not a 3.5+1.5 to a 4+1

Haha, you dont have to try and sell hipers to me, I want some no matter what the true offset is...

[don_carallo]

Originally posted by gotwarrior
it was just a simple question that didn't need any extra..

..this is being a good topic with interesting iformation about differente wheels offset

almost i'm interested in this question

[Aceman]

Alright, I finally got the wheel measurements. They should be really close even though my Hipers still had tires on them.

Wheel offsets are expressed inside depth + outside depth in that order measured from the hub side of the wheel to where the bead seats.

Stock wheels:

10x5.5" wheel
3 3/4 + 1 3/4 offset

Hipers(marketed as a 4+1):

10x5" wheel
3 5/8 + 1 3/8" offset