University of Florida student tazered for asking a question!

[250r rider 88]

Didnt see a post about this, videos all over youtube, happened monday this UF student got up at a john kerry Q&A and asked him a "hard ball" question, and was escorted out by six police officers because his tone was too loud? WTF? does freedom of speech mean nothing in this country anymore, so thye start to take him out they do NOT tell him hes under arrest oor read him his miranda rights, just start to take him out, take him to the ground and then tazer him, the dude is screaming in pain, then they tell him hes under arrest and read him his rights after tazering him, "police brutality" is the words that come to mind when you see this and the guy actually yells those words out, needless to say so far UF has put 2 of the officers on "paid admin leave" while the investigation is undergoing, my only question is what the **** is wrong with asking a question of a Senator who is gonna run for president again, im scared to think if i were to meet president bush and spoke in a loud tone what they would do to me if they are tazering students for asking questions to their senators

give some input on your thoughts here guys ill post video below

[250r rider 88]

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[cbrooks118]

You will probably receive mixed opinions on this. It has been widely publiced that this was done as a publicity stunt. The student asked if they were recording before he went on his major rant. Now from my understanding, he would not allow any pauses between his questions to give kerry a chance to answer. They tasered him only after he was asked to leave, and then assualted an officer and resisted arrest.

Now, do i care about John kerry being a tool? Nah, he's a chump, and his wife, whose only known as a "kerry" during his campaigns is retarded. Way to be in "love" with your husband a few months evrey four years.

I personally am tired of politics. "voting" to choose who screws me for four years is not democracy. We should FIRE everyone in politics and start with a clean slate. Get people in there who care, not only those who give into lobbyist.

They should be honest. If we are killing people to setup a friendly government in Iraq to sell us cheap oil, tell me about it, i am a big boy and i can handle it. I am tired of my taxes are being spent to investigate arbitrary things such as steriods in baesball and wrestling, i am personally goign to punch my congressman in the face. The government is worse than the church. At least the church only screws you when are a young boy, and then you can sue and get some money. Governmen=screw you for life and take your money.


I will personally be voting for "rosie palms" at least then i know before hand how i will be screwed.

[trick450r]

i dont see why they arrested him...but i certainly understand why they tazed him. Heres alittle tip for you, when you get arrested JUST GO WITH THEM you can sue them later but jesus christ what do you expect to happen if you resist. Also he was deffinatly screaming and i bet when that lady came up to him first she told him to relax or just sit down and he clearly said NO.



soooo i see very little wrong here.

[whiteboycustom]

taser was to extreme.... they had enough security to detain him, im certified on a taser and ive been tasered and u dont scream like that, it takes ur breath away, so who knows what all went down, i hope it was real i hope he sues so maybe cops will be forced to use the actual steps in the use of force

[250r rider 88]

mixed opinions is fine thats what i expected, who wouldnt you will have mixed opinions on everything you discuss in life, but to the point of him asking if the cameras were on:

hypothetically, lets say you were about to ask the President a hard ball type question that no one else had the balls to ask wouldnt you want it to be on tv, i know i would if i had info that could ruin BUsh and get him impeached so i dont have to call him my president for another year and 3 months and 20 + days, you dang right i would want it to be recorded. if you are about to make someone eat their own words i think you would want some hard proof other than just eye witnesses

[user101]

the kid got what he deserved. nuff said

[mxdad]

What an ***!!! He was told to just ask his question and he refused to cooperate. At first it looks as if they are just going to escort him out but he starts resisitng and they end up having to use force. If you listen closely they even tell him to stop or they will taser him. You all have to understand that if they let him get out of hand it could all turn ugly real fast so I must agree with user101 "the kid got what he deserved." next time maybe he will listen to the cops when he told to shut his mouth and maybe he will think twice about resisting when they are trying to escort him out.

[<DRS>GPF]

Originally posted by cbrooks118
You will probably receive mixed opinions on this. It has been widely publiced that this was done as a publicity stunt. The student asked if they were recording before he went on his major rant. Now from my understanding, he would not allow any pauses between his questions to give kerry a chance to answer. They tasered him only after he was asked to leave, and then assualted an officer and resisted arrest.

Now, do i care about John kerry being a tool? Nah, he's a chump, and his wife, whose only known as a "kerry" during his campaigns is retarded. Way to be in "love" with your husband a few months evrey four years.

I personally am tired of politics. "voting" to choose who screws me for four years is not democracy. We should FIRE everyone in politics and start with a clean slate. Get people in there who care, not only those who give into lobbyist.

They should be honest. If we are killing people to setup a friendly government in Iraq to sell us cheap oil, tell me about it, i am a big boy and i can handle it. I am tired of my taxes are being spent to investigate arbitrary things such as steriods in baesball and wrestling, i am personally goign to punch my congressman in the face. The government is worse than the church. At least the church only screws you when are a young boy, and then you can sue and get some money. Governmen=screw you for life and take your money.


I will personally be voting for "rosie palms" at least then i know before hand how i will be screwed.


AYY-FREAKIN-MEN!!

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by <DRS>GPF
AYY-FREAKIN-MEN!!

X2

[trxwannbe]

no matter what he did they are legally in the wrong by arresting him without citing a reason and reading him his rights and therefore any physical action taken by the officers can be considered police brutality and by no means am i sticking up for that student he look like just another a**hole who thinks hes right about everything and wants to expose everything he thinks is wrong but the cops were definitely in the wrong on this one and you can't argue otherwise because it is very clear that they did not follow the strict guidelines set for an arrest

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by trxwannbe
no matter what he did they are legally in the wrong by arresting him without citing a reason and reading him his rights and therefore any physical action taken by the officers can be considered police brutality and by no means am i sticking up for that student he look like just another a**hole who thinks hes right about everything and wants to expose everything he thinks is wrong but the cops were definitely in the wrong on this one and you can't argue otherwise because it is very clear that they did not follow the strict guidelines set for an arrest

Sure they did.

When making an arrest, FIRST AND FOREMOST is to detain. Get him in handcuffs, and take control of the situation. If he resists, you use force.

Only AFTER he is in custody do you cite him and read him his rights.

[whiteboycustom]

ummm wow did u just say that???

a cop can put u in cuffs for his personal safty he doesnt need a reason other then he put u in cuffs for his safety

to detain someone u dont have to read them there rights, if u question the guy at that point u need to advise him of his rights

[TheIceMan]

IMO he wasn't tazered for asking a question,but for being a jack***. :ermm:
And I'm so certain the cops (campus police) will be made out to look like the root of all evil :ermm:

[gbcap]

Originally posted by trxwannbe
no matter what he did they are legally in the wrong by arresting him without citing a reason and reading him his rights and therefore any physical action taken by the officers can be considered police brutality and by no means am i sticking up for that student he look like just another a**hole who thinks hes right about everything and wants to expose everything he thinks is wrong but the cops were definitely in the wrong on this one and you can't argue otherwise because it is very clear that they did not follow the strict guidelines set for an arrest


thats the stupidest comment out of them all. everyone is open to thier opinion on what happend...but you sir have it all wrong.

a cop DOES NOT have to read you your rights till you are in jail getting charged. he does NOT have to charge you with anything to put you in cuffs.

the cops asked him to sit down. he didn't. they asked him to leave. one got on each side of him to escort him out. he chose not to. he has NO right to be there if they don't want him to be there. therefore has NO reason to argue the cop other then to make a scene. once he said no to what the cops are doing he is resisting arrest and deserves anything and everything that comes his way. once they had him on the ground he would not let his hands go behind his back and roll over. they warned him atleast 3 times. he kept arguing to tell him what he did wrong. THEY DON"T HAVE TO TELL HIM YET. he just has to listen. if he would have listened he would have been taken into the hall and let go. but now some cops arn't going to be able to make thier mortgage payment his month cause they did want they are trained to do.

they didn't NEED to use the taser. but its better then breaking his arm to get him to put his hands behind his back. (see both in person, i would rather get tased). i haven't been tased, but seen it. and you don't scream like a lil *****. he is just a punk *** kid that wanted to make a scene. well he succeded in making an a$s out of himself instead.

[whiteboycustom]

this is a video of a soldier in my platoon in iraq getting certified on the taser, the barbs are taped on his back, turn up the volume u will hear the taser

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/whiteboycustom/th_PICT0087.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/whiteboycustom/?action=view&current=PICT0087.flv)

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by gbcap
thats the stupidest comment out of them all. everyone is open to thier opinion on what happend...but you sir have it all wrong.

a cop DOES NOT have to read you your rights till you are in jail getting charged. he does NOT have to charge you with anything to put you in cuffs.

the cops asked him to sit down. he didn't. they asked him to leave. one got on each side of him to escort him out. he chose not to. he has NO right to be there if they don't want him to be there. therefore has NO reason to argue the cop other then to make a scene. once he said no to what the cops are doing he is resisting arrest and deserves anything and everything that comes his way. once they had him on the ground he would not let his hands go behind his back and roll over. they warned him atleast 3 times. he kept arguing to tell him what he did wrong. THEY DON"T HAVE TO TELL HIM YET. he just has to listen. if he would have listened he would have been taken into the hall and let go. but now some cops arn't going to be able to make thier mortgage payment his month cause they did want they are trained to do.

they didn't NEED to use the taser. but its better then breaking his arm to get him to put his hands behind his back. (see both in person, i would rather get tased). i haven't been tased, but seen it. and you don't scream like a lil *****. he is just a punk *** kid that wanted to make a scene. well he succeded in making an a$s out of himself instead.

;)

[wilkin250r]

His question wasn't going anywhere, it was pretty obvious he was trying to cause a scene with his questions. Not a ridiculous scene, but he certainly wasn't looking for an "answer". He was looking for a scene.

A scene. When this became obvious to Security, they stepped in, because it is their job to protect the peace. That is exactly what they are there for. To PREVENT him from causing a scene.

Unfortunately, when he resisted, the priorities changed. Now, he's not a SCENE, he is a SECURITY RISK. This changes everything, because priority number 1 is to now neutralize and detain the security risk, by use of force if necessary.

He chose to escalate the situation. He got exactly what was coming to him.

[quads14589]

personally i think its bull****, freedom of speach!

[trxwannbe]

at this point you have all made some good points but in no way proved me wrong they cannot go anywhere once you've been detained without reading you your rights because if they do and i know this is right they cannot use anything between puttin the cuffs on and escorting you to the station against you because you can claim to have not known your rights and in my opinion this whole thing was b/s anyways if they had just taken the time to explain to him the issue and show a little respect for a citizen who's taxes or i believe in their case tuition pays their salary this whole thing would not have happened..o and for all you people out there that have threads locked and get banned this is how you reply to people telling you your wrong not with swearing and name calling and stupidity

Whats freedom of speech? Never heard of it.

[whiteboycustom]

a cop can not legally ask u if u have been drinking if he pulls u over, but they do all the time, that is a violation of ur rights

[CannondaleRider]

...........:ermm:

While I do support free speech........I, in no way, support the ability to rush ahead of people in line(who are waiting to ask Kerry an honest question), just to cause a scene, announce your ignorance, and disturb the peace.

It's obvious he had no intentions of getting an answer, he just wanted to "prove his point"......and be an a$s(as so many people seem to LIKE doing these days, I might add)

The officers showed absolute professionalism, and did exactly as they were there for. Why are they there, if they are not in the right, when stopping little punks like this ignorant piece of crap?

They told him to stop his actions, he refused...they began escorting him out of the room, he refused...they became more aggressive in their actions, and he began screaming and flailing around for absolutely no reason....so they used more force, being he was resisting!! He continued fighting, then they went to the ground.... They told him numerous times to put his hands behind his back....again, ignorantly, he refused. If you LISTEN....you can hear an officer say "You will be tased if you do not cooperate!". He continued resisting....as they WARNED HIM they would, they tased him.

The officers....in no way, shape, or form...did a single thing wrong. They contained a security threat, in the correct fashion for the situation. Now, because of another ignorant, low life, dickhead like this.....there are now officers in trouble, for doing their job.

There's some pathetic people in this world.....

[Ralph]

I think he did kinda deserve it. He was obviously fine afterwards. He could of made an intelligent argument but he was just trying to shut kerry down. If he had composed himself better and continue with his hardball questions he could of came out as the winner.

Now if they had still tried to arrest him after that than he should of quietly let them handcuff him and in one sentance just point out the hypocrazy in freedom of speech.

He would of still came out as the winner in the debate.

On the other hand i can see why he started getting louder and not letting kerry answer. He was getting nervous by the presence of the cops coming up behind him but he still was pationate enough to try to make his point.

--------------- Devils Advocate: --------

We should also compare such events to the rebellious acts done by our forefathers during the time of the amercian revolution.

What justified their rebellion that doesnt justify his. Who knows, he could be the next george washington one day. Lets just stop pretending and acknowlege all the corruption in our goverment. The question is who is going to do something about it.

[Old Dirtbiker]

I think he got what what was coming.

I respect Kerry for voicing his opinion even though I don't agree with it. Kerry just can't get a back bone.

For this student to attempt to dishonor Kerry in a public forum was disrespectful. It was obvious that it was set up, planned and executed. He just wasn't bright enough to foresee the potential outcome.

Just goes to show, if your going to throw dung, your going to smell of it.

Kerry could have attempted to verbally defuse the situation,
insisted on answering the questions. If he can't gain control over a few students, how the he[[ can he claim to be helping run the Country?????

Other students or facility could have attempted to end the confrontation, why does no one have any backbone.


Have you noticed that the vocal 10% are leading the silent 90% the wrong direction.

Scares me something terrible

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Old Dirtbiker
why does no one have any backbone.



Nobody has a backbone anymore, because most everybody is afraid of the consequences of their actions, even if they are in the right.

Seriously, the officers had the backbone to take down this dip*****....and now look at them, they are in trouble for it.

[gbcap]

Originally posted by trxwannbe
at this point you have all made some good points but in no way proved me wrong they cannot go anywhere once you've been detained without reading you your rights because if they do and i know this is right they cannot use anything between puttin the cuffs on and escorting you to the station against you because you can claim to have not known your rights and in my opinion this whole thing was b/s anyways if they had just taken the time to explain to him the issue and show a little respect for a citizen who's taxes or i believe in their case tuition pays their salary this whole thing would not have happened..o and for all you people out there that have threads locked and get banned this is how you reply to people telling you your wrong not with swearing and name calling and stupidity

you don't have to be read your rights till your charged. they can not ask you any questions pertaining to the incident. but if you keep talking they can use anything you say against you. if you don't believe me just ask anyone that knows the law.

they can't sit you in a room and ask you questions. but they can cuff you, tell you what your being arrested for, put you in the car, take you to jail THEN read you your rights before put in the cell. and anything you say before hearing your rights is usable. but if they start asking questions that is where it gets tricky. seen it in court and the judge let it stand. so don't tell me it can't be done. ill even pull the court record if you want me to. haha.

why should they take the time, IN the meeting to explain whats going on. if he would have just walked with them to the hallway they could have done that there. the kid KNEW what he was doing and chose to carry it out the way he knew would cause the biggest scene.

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
His question wasn't going anywhere, it was pretty obvious he was trying to cause a scene with his questions. Not a ridiculous scene, but he certainly wasn't looking for an "answer". He was looking for a scene.

A scene. When this became obvious to Security, they stepped in, because it is their job to protect the peace. That is exactly what they are there for. To PREVENT him from causing a scene.

Unfortunately, when he resisted, the priorities changed. Now, he's not a SCENE, he is a SECURITY RISK. This changes everything, because priority number 1 is to now neutralize and detain the security risk, by use of force if necessary.

He chose to escalate the situation. He got exactly what was coming to him.

That's exactly how I see it. Now if he was asking legitimate questions without that tone (yes, he did have an inappropriate tone) and without telling off that guard (you can tell he wasn't being respectful) then that wouldn't have been necessary. I had a good laugh watching that video, thanks!