Z400 or a 400ex?

[07250ex]

Well my honda dealer is also a suzuki dealer and one of the salesmen is trying to tell me to get a z400 rather then a 400ex and ive ridden a Z but i've never rode a 400ex ... i know z400's are faster and have better front but worse rear shocks but im wondering how much less stable is the z400 compared to the 400ex ... is the Z really anymore stable then the 250ex i have now?

[yellow400ex05]

well the z400 sits higher making it a lot more tippy around corners, almost like a raptor feel. The 400ex is lower the the ground so it can take corners as faster speeds, and also has a lower center of gravity. And yes a z400 is a lot more stable than a 250.

[jesseweaver]

i have a 400ex and i love it. ive ridden z400s already and i think they sit way to high, although they do have good power

[tgreenz400]

well id give you my opinion but as soon as i do i turn into the biased suzuki guy occording to all the 400ex riders:rolleyes:

[450rJam]

zuki has better engine performance

honda has better frame/handleing (pretty much everything else)


list your pro's and con's and weight it out

[tgreenz400]

Originally posted by 450rJam


honda has better frame/handleing (pretty much everything else)


Is that so? Honda:air cooled, WAY worse shocks, OLD technology too. not to mention a few design errors; non removable grab bar, and you cant just take the seat off...the whole back plastics and everything comes off just to check your air filter. idk if the design errors are on the newer ones or not tho. btw stock for stock in a drag zuki wins 1-2 lengths

[416exfreak]

The 400ex and the Z are pretty much dead even stock vs stock.

The 400ex handles better and sits lower. The Z has better front shocks, but less bottom end power.

I would get the Honda, just because Honda's have always been more reliable for me. Even my old dirtbikes were more reliable. I had a CR125 and an RM125. The honda always ran, the zuki sat on a stand awaiting more internal parts....it went bye bye quickly.

[trx400EXtreme]

i have a 400ex and im not gonna lie.... my cousin's(tgreenz400) z400 rips. its all preferance. i just like the power of the 400ex better than the z400. mine has got a tiny bit more low end than my cousins z yet he has a tiny bit more top end. just ride them both and see wutchya like better.:)

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by tgreenz400
Is that so? Honda:air cooled, WAY worse shocks, OLD technology too. not to mention a few design errors; non removable grab bar, and you cant just take the seat off...the whole back plastics and everything comes off just to check your air filter. idk if the design errors are on the newer ones or not tho. btw stock for stock in a drag zuki wins 1-2 lengths hey but u gotta admit... any 400ex will last forever. like said before, the 400ex is basicly bullet proof.

[tgreenz400]

Originally posted by trx400EXtreme
hey but u gotta admit... any 400ex will last forever. like said before, the 400ex is basicly bullet proof. yea thats true. sorry not trying to bash but i just hate uneducated statements like the one way up ^

[07250ex]

its not that easy to find one to ride all the time lol

[mitch91]

You should ask my friend that question, 1 z400, and 6 400exs out of the group. 400exs have had only one problem once in a wile, swing arm bearings. z400 has head head gaskets go, blown up,. timeing chain got ****ed up, and now its blown up agian and goin gto cost him another 2 grand.

[yellow400ex05]

Originally posted by tgreenz400
Is that so? Honda:air cooled, WAY worse shocks, OLD technology too. not to mention a few design errors; non removable grab bar, and you cant just take the seat off...the whole back plastics and everything comes off just to check your air filter. Idk if the design errors are on the newer ones or not tho. btw stock for stock in a drag zuki wins 1-2 lengths

OK I agree with the aircooled and not as good shocks quality wise. But I'm not sure if he's going with brand new or not. And taking the whole seat and plastics off is considered to many, including me a plus because it takes the hassle of working around fenders and or removing them. And according to my observations the z400 usually wins by 1 lenght stock for stock against a 400ex, but if the 400ex rider is even the slightest bit more experienced than its the complete opposite.

And since you named the negatives of the 400ex, let me do the vice versa. Not quiet as cheap to modify, fewer aftermarket availability in some areas.

The frames were never really noted for their strength. The chain adjustment is not great, not sure if changed in the newer models are different. The plastics brackets are weak and snap off. plus in 03 the grab bars were non-removable, the frames broke left and right, the chain adjustment was horrible, the shocks then were actually worse than the 400ex's.

[WhiteZrider]

I say ride both of them and pick which one suits you better.

[XXXRACER165]

I have a 440EX with alot of aftermarket stuff. Not even my dads 2006 HRC450R can keep up with it on this one trail. (Yes, believe it! faster lap time on the 440 than the 450).

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by yellow400ex05
OK I agree with the aircooled and not as good shocks quality wise. But I'm not sure if he's going with brand new or not. And taking the whole seat and plastics off is considered to many, including me a plus because it takes the hassle of working around fenders and or removing them. And according to my observations the z400 usually wins by 1 lenght stock for stock against a 400ex, but if the 400ex rider is even the slightest bit more experienced than its the complete opposite.

And since you named the negatives of the 400ex, let me do the vice versa. Not quiet as cheap to modify, fewer aftermarket availability in some areas.

The frames were never really noted for their strength. The chain adjustment is not great, not sure if changed in the newer models are different. The plastics brackets are weak and snap off. plus in 03 the grab bars were non-removable, the frames broke left and right, the chain adjustment was horrible, the shocks then were actually worse than the 400ex's. you said chain adjustment twice.:p just thought id point that out. other than that very well put.lol

[jesseweaver]

Originally posted by XXXRACER165
I have a 440EX with alot of aftermarket stuff. Not even my dads 2006 HRC450R can keep up with it on this one trail. (Yes, believe it! faster lap time on the 440 than the 450).
how close is a 416 to a 440?

[tgreenz400]

Originally posted by yellow400ex05


The frames were never really noted for their strength. The chain adjustment is not great, not sure if changed in the newer models are different. The plastics brackets are weak and snap off. plus in 03 the grab bars were non-removable, the frames broke left and right, the chain adjustment was horrible, the shocks then were actually worse than the 400ex's. well thats why i ride and 05 and not an 04 or below:blah:

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by tgreenz400
well thats why i ride and 05 and not an 04 or below:blah: o like you had a choice of wut year you got!













just playin.:devil:

[07250ex]

Originally posted by WhiteZrider
I say ride both of them and pick which one suits you better.

like i said its not that easy to find away to setup a ride on a quad

[tgreenz400]

Originally posted by 07250ex
like i said its not that easy to find away to setup a ride on a quad some dealers allow you to test quads so id just look around and find one

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by tgreenz400
some dealers allow you to test quads so id just look around and find one yea we have a local dealer that does, but only if your serious about buyin, and they have to check your credit history and all that money stuff that i dont get. and anyway, its pretty easy to pretend to be serious about buyin'.

[450rJam]

tgreenz400..................

I did say "pretty much" everything else, without going into details of the same reliable motor from 1999 (unchanged) with one of the largest aftermarket available parts inventory or the geometry of the 250r that help it to out handle the z400, the fact that you can adjust the chain in 2 min. instead of the poor designed system of your z400 (which they changed to copy the honda) and dont even get me started on the weak arse z400 frames and the small bit of performance advantage can easily be overcome by rider skill,

sooooooooooooooooooo

when someone asks for opinions on which one to get then opinions are what they get, if my opinion is diff from yours then so be it but you can kindly shove your "uneducated statement" comment and your bitter defensive attitude up your .................
nose

[troyleepred719]

Originally posted by tgreenz400
Is that so? Honda:air cooled, WAY worse shocks, OLD technology too. not to mention a few design errors; non removable grab bar, and you cant just take the seat off...the whole back plastics and everything comes off just to check your air filter. idk if the design errors are on the newer ones or not tho. btw stock for stock in a drag zuki wins 1-2 lengths





but your biased.....so you dont get no vote, and no cookies for you biased man :devil:

[tgreenz400]

Originally posted by 450rJam


when someone asks for opinions on which one to get then opinions are what they get, if my opinion is diff from yours then so be it but you can kindly shove your "uneducated statement" comment and your bitter defensive attitude up your .................
nose it just sounded like you were saying the 400ex is was better than the z in almost everyway, but now i see your not. so sorry

[tgreenz400]

well...nevermind you still kinda are lol but like you said its your opinion

[07250ex]

which ones better at doing power wheelies?

[That400exGuy]

probably whatever you want because i think there both pretty good quads! i got a 400ex myself

[tgreenz400]

Originally posted by 07250ex
which ones better at doing power wheelies? stock for stock the ex has alot more bottom end for wheelies. but if you plan on a pipe it kinda evens out