crf150r

[exrider12]

is this a good bike?do you have to do a ton of maintenance?
i will be riding mostly track and some local sand pits.also is this a big step up from my 250ex?

[416exfreak]

A kid at my local track has one....i never see him working on it...just riding the sh1t out of it..

I think they come stock with a rev limit of over 13 grand...

Andrew (kid at the track) has no problem walking 450's all day...

I think its mostly rider, but damn...a 150 walkin a 450 is a sight...lol:eek2:

[ZeroLogic]

The newer water cooled ones are amazing machines. Go for it bro.

[exrider12]

k.i can pick one up with 5 hours for $3200,so im happy:devil: .
i looked it revs to 14,300 rpms

[07250ex]

i wonder what it puts out for hp anybody got rough estimates? and im sure its faster

[pro-rider46]

yeah iv been itchin to ride one but i havent yet. how tall and heavy are you?

[REDRIDDER]

This info is from Trans world motocross...NEW BEGINNINGS

Why exactly did Honda create the CRF150R you ask? Easy. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the world of motocross is changing from a world of two strokes to four. And as the thumpers quickly begin to take over, every manufacturer is racing to be the first to raise the bar. With this new 150cc bike, Honda is just that—the first to move the bar up to the next rung.

Since this bike is all new, we won't bore you with every single detail; we'll just go over a few of the key features.

The CRF150R features a close-ratio five-speed gearbox with a Unicam powerplant up on top, just like its bigger brothers. Feeding the powerful little motor is a 32mm Keihin carburetor. As for suspension, the bike is held up by Showa stuff front and rear, just like the 85cc two-stroke machines. While the chassis is made of steel, which Honda says is to cut down on cost and keep the CRF in the same price range as the two-strokes. The frame is matched up to a fully removable aluminum frame, with an aluminum swingarm finishing off the chassis. The bike also comes equipped with steel bars and steel foot pegs.

http://www.transworldmotocross.com/mx/slideshow/videos/0,27654,1185645_1532332,00.html

[exrider12]

"how tall and heavy are you?"

i am 100 pounds and im 5'3"

07250ex,i think it puts out just as much as the 85 2 strokes

[07250ex]

you should be good wether u get the big wheel or regular because im 5 foot 5 and i can touch the ground on a 125

i still think a 85 2 stroke is the way to go for many reasons....especially on a mini bike

[440bigborekit]

^^^^^ the 85's have nothing on these 150r's you have to realize its 2007 and the 2 strokes are dieing get that in your head, you put down every 4 stroke out there when they are much more superior in racing.back to subject just to tell you these new lil 150s have tons of power and will feel alot i mean alot stronger then a 250ex these lil bikes will out accel a 450 quad, yes there quick, as for mataniance its the usual check the valves every 15-20 hrs or so and keep up on mataniance and your have a good bike

if the 150s run like the 250fs and 450s do we will start seeing alot of unskilled riders. Riders that cant work the clutch/downshft in the cornors. Riders that have to buy a brand new bike every 3 years. I would much rather see a kid working the clutch on a 85 and downshifting and acctually learn how to ride then a kid that just keeps it in 3rd the whole track...remember the 2 stroke guys can always hop on a 4 stroke and be fast, but alot of 4 stroke guys cannot ride a 2 stroke like we can...

For example i went trail riding with my banshee and went with a few guys on raptors and 450s and another guy on a LT250r. Me and the guy on the LT (corey) could acctually work the clutch keep it in the powerband on those 2 strokes while the 4 stroke guys just become lazy and unskilled riders....if we all were to switch quads me and Corey would have just been fine while the other 2 wouldnt know what to do with the banshee and LT...

2 strokes make better riders. Whats next?? 125 4 strokes running with the 65s??? come on this is getting stupid

[07250ex]

Originally posted by 440bigborekit
^^^^^ the 85's have nothing on these 150r's you have to realize its 2007 and the 2 strokes are dieing get that in your head, you put down every 4 stroke out there when they are much more superior in racing.back to subject just to tell you these new lil 150s have tons of power and will feel alot i mean alot stronger then a 250ex these lil bikes will out accel a 450 quad, yes there quick, as for mataniance its the usual check the valves every 15-20 hrs or so and keep up on mataniance and your have a good bike

i highly doubt it out accelerates a 450 cc quad because 450 quads are faster then the 125s and 250 4 stroke bikes ...

[440bigborekit]

^^^^^^if i had a dollor for every 4 stroke bash you ever said i'd be one rich kidd. unskilled riders what are you talking about you just cant handle the fact 2 strokes are dead and thumpers are moving in and taking over and theres still plenty of skilled riders you have no clue what your talking about mabie you should hop on a thumper and come to the track one day man but you prolly dont even ride im not gonna waste time here

^^^^^^if i had a dollor for every 4 stroke bash you ever said i'd be one rich kidd. unskilled riders what are you talking about you just cant handle the fact 2 strokes are dead and thumpers are moving in and taking over and theres still plenty of skilled riders you have no clue what your talking about mabie you should hop on a thumper and come to the track one day man but you prolly dont even ride im not gonna waste time here


^^^ when are people going to understand that every bike and quad is different. I know some 125s that can accel ust as fast a 250 2 strokes and damn near as fast as some 500 2 strokes for the first couple gears...when will people learn that gearing plays a HUGE roll in accel and top speed

^^^^^^if i had a dollor for every 4 stroke bash you ever said i'd be one rich kidd. unskilled riders what are you talking about you just cant handle the fact 2 strokes are dead and thumpers are moving in and taking over and theres still plenty of skilled riders you have no clue what your talking about mabie you should hop on a thumper and come to the track one day man but you prolly dont even ride im not gonna waste time here



And what did all those skilled riders start on??? yup 65 2 strokes, 80s, 125s etc....do you think riders 15 years from now that have only rode 4 strokes will be able to get on a 2 stroke and be a good rider??? nope!

This whole 4 stroke revolution started almost a decade ago and has really picked up the last 5 years and your already seeing kids that cant ride 2 strokes...bottomline is if you want to become a good rider put your kid on a 65 or 85...if you want him to relie on the double CC advantage the rest of his life and continue to dump thousands and thousands into bikes year after year then put him on a 150

[exrider12]

so i can fit on this?and thanks for all the info guys:)


p.s.that arguement is stupid


4 strokes rule:D :devil: :blah:

^^another young kid that thinks 4 strokes are superior...

motor VS motor size for size 2 strokes are dominate

[AtvMxRider]

one thing all you guys have to remember is the CRF150r is NOT a trail bike it is a race bike built to race. So there is alot more upkeep involved with it. If you are just going to play ride and not race I would go with the cr85 it is much cheaper to maintain.

[exrider12]

im going to ride on the track but not race

[mitch91]

My 85 would accel faster than the 450r. They are quick and snappy bikes. The 400ex dose not match up aganst them.

[tar]

Those things are sweet ever since I saw the commercial I have wanted to ride one!

[ZeroLogic]

If you want to race, go with an 80. Two strokes teach you how to clutch so much better then four strokes. You will be great at a four stroke if you learn how to clutch a two stroke well.;)

[exrider12]

im going to be riding on a track not racing.Il also be going to a sand pit now and then

[ZeroLogic]

If you plan of racing, which you probably will go with an 80. Their cheap fun and you learn how to clutch a bike.:macho

[ZeroLogic]

If you plan of racing, which you probably will go with an 80. Their cheap fun and you learn how to clutch a bike.:macho

[jcv400ex]

4 strokes are not a lazy man's bike. It takes more muscle and skill to wrestle a big 4 stroke around a track than a 2 stroke.

And 85's like to jump out from under you much. I'm glad to see the new 150 come out.

I've ridden since I was 2 1/2, and I don't feel riding a two stroke first did anything for me. A 4 stroke is so much more smoother and more fun trail riding than a 2 stroke.

[exrider12]

im not trail riding at all.
im just riding around on a track and in some sand pits.
so which should i get?

crf150r
yz85
cr85
kx85
rm85
ttr125le
drz125l

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by jcv400ex
4 strokes are not a lazy man's bike. It takes more muscle and skill to wrestle a big 4 stroke around a track than a 2 stroke.

And 85's like to jump out from under you much. I'm glad to see the new 150 come out.

I've ridden since I was 2 1/2, and I don't feel riding a two stroke first did anything for me. A 4 stroke is so much more smoother and more fun trail riding than a 2 stroke.

Not disagreeing with you but you switch gears more with a two stroke. You learn how to clutch a bike as well.

[CRich[814]]

Originally posted by exrider12
im not trail riding at all.
im just riding around on a track and in some sand pits.
so which should i get?

crf150r
yz85
cr85
kx85
rm85
ttr125le
drz125l

yz85. no doubt. i rode a 1998 CR80 (same motor that honda used since it came out until 2008) and it was alright. pretty fast. but i rode a '04 yz85 a few days ago, holy ****. that thing is scary fast for being so little. the low end on that thing was awesome. and ima two stroke person, so the crf is just out of the question. if i were to buy another dirtbike, it'd be a yamaha or ktm. you should also check out the ktm85sx, from what i hear, they're amazing bikes also.

[mx825]

if you're looking for a new bike, don't get a 125 four stroke. they're slow, slow, slow.

I like kx bikes, but the yz's ripp. good luck;)

[jcv400ex]

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
Not disagreeing with you but you switch gears more with a two stroke. You learn how to clutch a bike as well.

Yeah, that's true. But we know what happens when you ride the clutch too much on a 4 stroke!

The one thing a 4 stroke will make you lazy is on braking. I will give you that. First time I went on a ride on my last 250r, I about blew through about 10 turns! It's nice slowing down when you let off the gas!

[Regular_Joe]

I have a TTR125LE playbike and a 2006 250ex. The TTR keeps up w/ the 250ex pretty evenly. With stock gearing though the TTR tops out when the 250ex is topping out in 4th.

The 2-strokes are a major jump up in performance.

yz85
cr85
kx85
rm85

And the CRF is just the 4-stroke replacement for the 2-stroke.

In short ... the 85s are bad *** .... as is the 150R .....

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by jcv400ex
Yeah, that's true. But we know what happens when you ride the clutch too much on a 4 stroke!



An expensive credit card bill.:chinese:

the 4 strokes are a few pounds heavier but that dont add up to much...4 strokes are way easier to ride and make riders lazy...i went and rode my CR250 and then hopped on a yamaha 450 bike and the yamaha i could keep it in 3rd the whole track...BORING!! with these 150s coming out they will make alot of young kids lazy and relie on the tourque and keeping it in 3rd the whole track like their older brother does on a 250f and dad does on a 450....

2 stroke tire you out wayyy faster then a 4 stroke everyone knows that. Ride a banshee or 250r and then hope on a 450 and youll know what im talking about...These 450 uads are nice, but i would personally never buy one, i love the rush or riding. I have only rode 2 strokes since i was 3 years old and its sad to think kids now will only be riding easy 4 strokes and will not be as talented as the generation before

[mx428]

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
Not disagreeing with you but you switch gears more with a two stroke. You learn how to clutch a bike as well. If you ride 4 stroke's you don't have to use a clutch so learning how to ride a 2 stroke doesn't do you any good at all. It's 2 completely different riding styles and switching off 2 and 4 strokes is really hard. Everything is different, power output, gear selection, clutch use, engine braking vs. none, etc. The 2 to 4 and 4 to 2 switch is hard.

[Nick110]

Originally posted by Honda86
the 4 strokes are a few pounds heavier but that dont add up to much...4 strokes are way easier to ride and make riders lazy...i went and rode my CR250 and then hopped on a yamaha 450 bike and the yamaha i could keep it in 3rd the whole track...BORING!! with these 150s coming out they will make alot of young kids lazy and relie on the tourque and keeping it in 3rd the whole track like their older brother does on a 250f and dad does on a 450....

2 stroke tire you out wayyy faster then a 4 stroke everyone knows that. Ride a banshee or 250r and then hope on a 450 and youll know what im talking about...These 450 uads are nice, but i would personally never buy one, i love the rush or riding. I have only rode 2 strokes since i was 3 years old and its sad to think kids now will only be riding easy 4 strokes and will not be as talented as the generation before


I guess your right, making it easier to ride and not get tired as fast is a bad thing.

[dirtbike&quad]

id get a rm85. ive rode every 80/85 out there and that was definetly the fastest, you could tell for sure. and i havent tried the 150 year so i dont know, but ive tired the regular crf150 and its slow, so are the 125 4 strokes (ttr, drz, etc...).

my choice (and i am loyal to honda)
rm85
yz85
crf150r

just imo

[csr250r]

I like 2 strokes but it just sucks that the only one for mx(quad) is 20 years old alot of up keep. IDK what freestylers are gona do!!(MX)

DO NOT GET TTR125

85s are awsome i saw a yz80 beat a piped 250f in a drag lol i think rider play a big role in that though.

i like thumpers but its awsome to have both, i like the challenge and fun powerband of a 2 stroke but also the grunt of a thumper... i can still beat alot of 450s on the track. ride what u got, 2 stroke or 4 stroke aint gona win the race for you, ride hard have fun.

I guess your right, making it easier to ride and not get tired as fast is a bad thing.

^^yes being LAZY is a bad thing, so is developing bad habits...All young kids should be on a 2 stroke....alot of 250f guys cant even ride a 125 that well, its sad

[CHEVYZ]

I grew up on two-strokes, but with what they have out now I think that it is silly to think that they are the only thing out there worth buying. I would get the CRF150 over any of the 85s. The 85s that don't have really good riders on them are getting their arse handed to them everywhere around here by the 150s.

For the lazy thing.....I don't see how riding a 4-stroke makes you lazy, as mx428 said, it is just two different riding styles. But on that note....I'd rather be the lazy guy in front of the pack than the one working hard for last place.

[mx428]

Originally posted by Honda86
^^yes being LAZY is a bad thing, so is developing bad habits...All young kids should be on a 2 stroke....alot of 250f guys cant even ride a 125 that well, its sad That's because 125's suck. It doesn't matter if a 250f rider can shred on a 125 or 250 s stroke, if he can go fast on a 250f that's all he needs to do.

[honda_524]

Just like any another bike if you keep up with maintance if will be good for you. But my friend bought on and barely had it for a month before it blew up on him. I would get with a cr85 if I were you though.

since when do 125s suck???? :confused: they are pretty sweet bikes

[mx428]

Originally posted by Honda86
since when do 125s suck???? :confused: they are pretty sweet bikes Since about 2004.

oh please, a 125 can accel just as fast as a 250f and if its built right even some 250 2 strokes...they are excellent bikes for someone that just came off an 80...easy to mods, alot of bike for your money, no serious problems...quality product

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by Honda86
oh please, a 125 can accel just as fast as a 250f and if its built right even some 250 2 strokes...they are excellent bikes for someone that just came off an 80...easy to mods, alot of bike for your money, no serious problems...quality product

Oh please.

[deathman53]

where do you go about saying that 250r's are alot of up keep??? I have 2 of them!!!! I hardly have to do anything, change the oil every few rides, clean the airfilter, lube chain, (so far nothing different than a 4 stroke) replace reeds every few months and maybe rebuild the top end once a year. If you start with nice new stuff, its no more(probably less) maintance than a 4 stroke. What they don't tell you is that the 4 strokes, epecailly the 250f's, require the top end rebuilt often, valves adjusted 10-15 hrs, cam chains stretch, the valves don't last that long, thats alot and expensive stuff. Not to meantoin that they eat clutch baskets. Once the new 4 strokes become hard to start, its time for the valve train to be replaced or adjusted and this isn't cheap at all. I can agree with the rest of you guys about the 4 strokes, they are easier to ride, you can leave it in 3rd gear and do the whole track without switching gears.

[csr250r]

maybe u dont ride as hard as me;)

[deathman53]

I ride them hard, but also I have other bikes to ride too. So, none of the bikes get alot of wear, each time I ride, its almost always on a different bike. Its not like one bike to ride and that takes all the abuse. Also, my bikes are made from mostly new parts, so they have alot of use from them, before work. One of the things I always do to them is lube the sliders in the brake calipers and remove/lube the swingarm bolt.

the bike that is killing me is my ktm450exc, it seams almost constant oil changes, its a royal pain to clean the tight areas, and changing the tires every few weeks, it seams nothing is easy on this bike. It has 4 oil filters!!! and two of them are a hard to get at screen on the side and bottom of the motor. I wish all bikes were like my 250r's, so easy to maintain and when I need to rebuild the motor, I can do it myself.

[300extreme#8]

stop all the 4-stroke bashing. u guys are idoits. unless u ride them dont say a word, go to the track and ask around, all the kids on teh 85s are dying to ride a 150... theres no match.. 4 strokes are taking over. hahahaha and all teh talk 2 stroke teach you to use clutch and ride better, its the same dayum thing dum dums, on the new 4 strokes u have to keep it reved out and riding the clutch the whole time to even have power, i own a crf250 and i know how u have to bounce the rev limiter to have any power, if u sk me the 4 strokes are hard to go fast than 2 stroke cuz 2 strokes are instant while 4 strokes u gotta learn to keep it in higher rpms... maybe yall should do research before you open ur mouths

Its not bashing, its just calling it how it is. Some people like 4 strokes and some like 2 strokes. 2 strokes are a superior motor desighn, everyone knows that. All that needs to happen is a lil rule change to make the CCs a fair fight and it would put the 450s, 250fs, and 150 out of every companys line up because size for size they cannot compete

[CHEVYZ]

Not true. The 2-stroke engine is a light switch...there is either no power there, or it is all there, not smooth and consistant like the 4-stroke which is better at applying its power to the ground where you need it. So although it is light-weight and great at making power, I still wouldn't consider it "far-superior" because it has its disadvantages in many situations also.

Also, if they did make it a CC for CC race, it still wouldn't be fair because the 4-stroke riders would be at a huge disadvantage. Their engines are doing twice the work, and also much heavier. So the guys on the 2-strokes would have all the benefits.

CC for CC the 2 stroke dominates in most forms of racing. If it were a fair fight every single rider would be on a 2 stroke. Even if they made it .75 of the size of a 4 stroke (like a 250f VS a 180 2 stroke or a 450 VS a 330 2 stroke) EVERYONE would be on a 2 stroke. These 4 strokes are only dominating the racing scene because of the double or near double CC advantage. In sled they are now allowing 1.75 advantage to a 4 stroke sled!! thats just stupid... that means a 1000cc 4 cylender 4 stroke is gonna run with a 600CC twin 2 stroke, and people act like the 4 strokes are superior...its funny

Whenever the CCs even start to get anywhere near close the 2 stroke dominates. For example a 330R VS a 450 or a 421 banshee VS a 470 4 stroke (for the big bores) or if you want to go stock CC for CC put a LT500 VS a pred...the 4 stroke motor is just built to be less powerful

I do not hate 4 strokes. They do have their place, excellent for 4X4s and other types of riding but for high performance i would never get one

and as for this 150 thing, i would like to see how it compares to a KX100??:confused:

[440bigborekit]

^^^^^ the 150r walks all over the kx100 you realy need to learn a thing or two, and hop out of the 80s. man your really anoying i would love for you to come here to the east coast ,or even bpg one day and bring a 250 2 smoke and ill ride my 250 thumper. lets go some laps and see who comes out on top. i guarentee your leave with your tail between your legs, its sickning all your 4 stroke bashing posts ,and 125s accel close to a 250f are you crazy 125s are sloww and have no power what so ever, 250 smokers arent even much of a big deal, if they were so fast then why did the ama try to make he 250 class 4 and 2 stroke. mabie because the 250fs have the potental to make almost as much power hmmm. ever ride a 450f bike in anything other then a stright line? go on a track those things completly light up 250 smokers. i have no problem keeping up with my buddys 250 smokers so mabie you just need to learn how to ride idk but im done wasting my time on you its not worth it you prolly try swallowing 2 stroke pipes you love them so much im done.

chill out man, i am not trying to offend anyone. I didnt know how the 150 ran, i have never seen one thats why i am WONDERING how a KX100 would do agenst it. Yes i have rode the 450s on the track too and they are very fast bikes. but your 250f wouldnt be comp for a 250 2 stroke. and as for a 125 begin built to be just as fast, they sure can...do you really think a piped 250f would beat a full race 125?? my brothers old 00 CR125 sure does run good and is neck and neck with all the 250fs that it went up agenst.

there is a kid out here that is on a bone stock yz 125 that puts a hurtin on the majority of 250fs the bikes are so close that is comes down to rider ability with a 125 VS 250 and 250 VS 450 but if 1 bike was to jump up or 1 bike were to come down so both bikes are close to same CC the 2 stroke dominates

how do you figure your 250f could do fine up agenst 250 2 strokes?? i am very curious....remmeber when bubba was on a KX250 and was still in the top 3 all the time going agenst all the 450s?? all about rider ability when it gets that close. But if the bikes were the same CC or even close to the same CC the 2 stroke is the winner in most cases

[woodsman250r]

hahahaha gotta love 16-17 year old idiot kids that talk trash thinking they know it all. You need to just calm down dude and sit back and realize how big of a moron you are and quick making post like that on here. I know you are really fast and you will be pro rider here in no time, but cool yourself off man.

[300extreme#8]

Originally posted by Honda86
CC for CC the 2 stroke dominates in most forms of racing. If it were a fair fight every single rider would be on a 2 stroke. Even if they made it .75 of the size of a 4 stroke (like a 250f VS a 180 2 stroke or a 450 VS a 330 2 stroke) EVERYONE would be on a 2 stroke. These 4 strokes are only dominating the racing scene because of the double or near double CC advantage. In sled they are now allowing 1.75 advantage to a 4 stroke sled!! thats just stupid... that means a 1000cc 4 cylender 4 stroke is gonna run with a 600CC twin 2 stroke, and people act like the 4 strokes are superior...its funny




DAng thats funny hahahahahahaha, yea when i first got my 250f me and my buddy raced, he has a cr250r and grass dirt and road we raced and we were handlebar to handlebar in every situation.. it really made his mad. and i dont believe anyone will beon 2 strokes much longer, get over youselfs, face the DAM facts, out with th old and in with the new dummy.. they made the 4 strokes race racelike to be better for the ozone and economy and found out they created something better than what they already had, so bye bye 2 strokes.

there are many variables and and how old was the CR 250??? i am sure its not brand spankin new like your 250F was. Compression low?? dirty carb?? jetting off?? bald tire??? odd gearing?? that could make a closer race between a 250f and a CR250.


But i am not sure what you mean by this...


they made the 4 strokes race racelike to be better for the ozone and economy and found out they created something better


how do they effect the economy?? and they can make a 2 stroke bike burn as clean/ if not cleaner then a 4 stroke, look at all the new 2 stroke sleds...very clean comapred to the old 2 stroke sleds

[CHEVYZ]

You are still comparing them CC for CC....and also rider for rider. If you give the 2-stroke every advantage, I can definately see where you are coming from.

Personally, I don't really care. The only point that I am trying to get across is that neither are superior to one another....just better in certain aspects.

just trying to get some kids thinking that their 4 stroke might not be the best choice in every form of racing. And just a reminder that the 4 stroke motor IS less powerful then a 2 stroker...

the 2 stroke desighn is just genious. Everytime the piston comes up its going to make power. It is just a better desighn for racing

[07250ex]

Originally posted by 440bigborekit
^^^^^ are you crazy 125s are sloww and have no power what so ever

dude 125's have higher peak horsepower then their 250 counter parts ... there not slow...also i dont think 150cc 4 stroke dirt bike is gunna walk all over a kx100 it would probably be a good race but the kx100 will probably win ... and im positive an sx105 would beat it if the rider was decent

[ZeroLogic]

All in all it comes down to skill, I personally have seen my friend's RM125 that was just about stock beat a 450f on a track. Ride what you want who cares?

[trxwannbe]

in honesty in the end nobody really cares what any of you think or say. its all about rider preference if somebody likes thumpers becuase they're easier to ride then thats what they're gonna get or if they're loyal to pingers then they'll get one in the end all that matters is the rider and what they think and feel about whatever they're gonna ride.these arguments are completely useless but i will put in a quick word on why i think thumpers are a better choice.more and more is being done with 4-strokes now than ever before and 2-strokes are being banned from production so i think that its time to realize that this is a 4-stroke world and move on.

^^^ thats true. Its just sad to think the rules are what killed the 2 stroke (double CC advantage). they are not being out performed by any 4 stroke when you go CC for CC and in 15 years you wont be able to pick up any brand new 2 stroke bike or quad...Now they are trying to give the 4 strokes the sled world too its sad to think this sport is going in the direction of thousands of dollars to compete at a top level and itll rule out so many people that dont wanan thro out that 6-7 grand for a brand new bike or quad. Not to mention im sure these 150s will be fairly expensive so now you got richer younger kids riding stuff the poorer famillys are dreaming about.

[trxwannbe]

and some of you also need to come around that as stupid as it sounds the 4-stroke is better for the environment than the 2-stroke and really is the better choice there are just to many downfalls to the 2-stroke to make it worth the time because right now i only ride thumpers because they are easier to take care of i enjoy loads of bottom end more than having to clutch the hell out of it until mid-topend and there is just so much more to play with in a 4-stroke motor so you can tear it down and just find little pieces and say hmmm i wonder what i can do to this to get more horsepower out of my motor

i dont consider the exhaust off a 2 stroke hurting the envitonment, i dont beleive humans are doing anything to change the earth and even IF we are, it dont matter anyways. When i go and look for a new quad or bike i look mostly at performce per $ and i also look at about how much it is going to cost to maintain the bike or quad. I picked up a 02 CR250 about 3 years ago for 2250. I rode it for a few years. Put a few good hours on it. Cleaned the filter and put gas in it and rode the bike hard. never had a single problem with it, was very happy with the performance and got rid of it a while back and got 2200...lost 50 bucks over the course of 3 years...alot of 4 stroke guys will lose 3+ grand and have alot more money invested in maintaining the bike to go the same speed, it just dont make sense!

There has been a 95' CR80 in my familly that has ungodly amount of hours on it. This lil bike is freaking fast too! it was picked up for 1500 back in the late 90s. My brother rode it tons, i rode it tons, my cuzin rides it now and every now and then ill take it out just 4 fun. This bike runs excellent! Very fast, just as fast as any new 85. And ill bet anything i could put it to the rode for a 1000 dollars and it would be gone within a week, lost 500 bucks over the course of almost a decade!! people lose more then that when they buy a 4 stroke after 1 year!! And the performance is about the same. But now the sport is headin in the direction of needing the top bike every year, having thousands into your motor and suspension, itll limit who can afford to get into the sport. For someone like me that dont make 150 grand a year it sucks!

[REDRIDDER]

JUST HAD 2 lol....

[Shift_450R]

Originally posted by 300extreme#8
i own a crf250 and i know how u have to bounce the rev limiter to have any power, if u sk me the 4 strokes are hard to go fast than 2 stroke cuz 2 strokes are instant while 4 strokes u gotta learn to keep it in higher rpms... maybe yall should do research before you open ur mouths

are you retarded? since when do two strokes not need to be revved high to make all their power? The four strokes don't need to be to the nuts at all times like a 2T. Maybe you should do some research turbo.