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yamaharider05
07-18-2007, 10:39 AM
Which do you guys think is a better quad. One of my friends have a 250ex and dthe other has a ltz250. Which one would win in a race. Both the riders are about the same skill level. And both are basicly stock. Thanks

exrider12
07-18-2007, 11:19 AM
what kind of race? on what surface?

yamaharider05
07-18-2007, 11:51 AM
Trails

exrider12
07-18-2007, 12:45 PM
if theyre on trails i think its mainly rider

07250ex
07-20-2007, 10:14 AM
1 thing i know is when the 250ex swaps to 20 inch tires(what the z comes with stock) we kill it in a race

Conman007
07-24-2007, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by 07250ex
1 thing i know is when the 250ex swaps to 20 inch tires(what the z comes with stock) we kill it in a race

but what happens when the 250 still has the ballon tires

07250ex
07-24-2007, 10:09 PM
its equal ...

coolkid91
07-24-2007, 11:55 PM
the z is faster in a drag,it has like 20 ccs more.iv lost to one at the dunes

exrider12
07-25-2007, 08:19 AM
the z shouldnt be faster it has 20 inch tires, the ex has 22.that 20ccs doesnt matter

DJR300ex
07-25-2007, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by exrider12
the z shouldnt be faster it has 20 inch tires, the ex has 22.that 20ccs doesnt matter

the z is geared a little higher for samller tires and the ex is geared a little lower because of the bigger tires. the z is a little faster but, like someone said before since theyre racing on trails it should be all about the rider

07250ex
07-25-2007, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by coolkid91
the z is faster in a drag,it has like 20 ccs more.iv lost to one at the dunes

yeah but the Z engine is mounted longituidly ... it needs another gear/shaft to opperate the drive shaft rather then a direct connection so there 20 cc's makes it equal ...

coolkid91
07-25-2007, 10:36 PM
NO,just because its setup differnt doesnt mean its setup produces less power.the 20 ccs does make a big difference because the z produces more horses.the z is faster no doubt,but the ex handles better,has better qualty and is just a better bike.

exrider12
07-26-2007, 09:19 AM
more movin parts equals less horsepower.
so that 20ccs doesnt matter

coolkid91
07-26-2007, 12:52 PM
sure buddy,ok lets get this strait.Just because a head of a motor is mounted differnt does not mean it has extra parts sucking up power,because if that was the case all 400exs,300ex and other bikes would have ohc recon motors lol.THE 250z Has more horsepower.


But who really freakin cares.there both too slow.

smokinwrench
07-27-2007, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by coolkid91
sure buddy,ok lets get this strait.Just because a head of a motor is mounted differnt does not mean it has extra parts sucking up power,because if that was the case all 400exs,300ex and other bikes would have ohc recon motors lol.THE 250z Has more horsepower.


But who really freakin cares.there both too slow.

You are 100% wrong in a way. I am sure the Suzuki builds more power because it has 20 more cc and a bigger carb. On a dyno and putting the power to the rear wheels it will produce less power. Honda with the sideways mounted motor can have less power and still put more to the ground because of not having to switch the power from horizontal to vertical so many times.

As for you loosing to a LTZ in sand drags who got the holeshot, who shifts better, who had the best tires, was his line better then yours???

I done lots of research before I bought my boy his 250ex. Quite a few people on this forum own both models and all that I have pmed about them said they would trade off the LTZ and buy another ex because it has more power.

450rJam
07-27-2007, 07:43 PM
I have both, an 04 ltz250 and an 05 250ex

my honda kills the suzuki in a drag race
the suzuki has a little more style in the plastic

honda did a better job on ergo's and the drive shaft is in a tube
(suzuki is exposed drive shaft)

honda has reverse on bars, suzuki you have to reach down to the fender and turn a knob.


any of you think the suzuki is better I will trade you this z250 for an equal condition 250ex

450rJam
07-27-2007, 07:45 PM
here is a better pic

come on zuki fans here is your chance to ditch that honda
for this grrrrrrrrrrreat z250

cleaned with fresh graphics

450rJam
07-28-2007, 07:01 AM
oh yeah, 20 cc's are nothing. cubic centimeters do not equal horse power. (the 450's are faster than alot of 700's)
the displacement can help but its funny how many people think

"hey, I have a 660 raptor so there is no way your 450r can keep up"

usually followed up with

"holy crap, that thing is insane"

450rJam
08-03-2007, 04:56 AM
coolkid91, what he is trying to tell you is that every time power has to turn a corner by sprockets/gears/etc. you lose some power.

thats why you dyno a motor at the block and it will have more power than the same exact set up measured at the rear wheels.

08-12-2007, 01:16 PM
The way the motor is mounted does change performance. Just look at car engines and how each of them are at degrees. Anyways different ATV's utilize the power different. Heres my case:

I have a 400ex. My cousin has a Banshee. He has about 15 more HP but yet I either run 1 length behind or I am ahead. Honda motors are built the best in the ATV industry as well as car industry. Maybe not the fastest in some cases but deffinately most reliable and uses the goods it has the right way.


TRX250ex can win against a Suzuki 250

Honda10
08-12-2007, 06:21 PM
U got that right.

okieRrider
08-23-2007, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by FoxHondaRider


I have a 400ex. My cousin has a Banshee. He has about 15 more HP but yet I either run 1 length behind or I am ahead.

Sorry I find this very hard to believe or your cousin doesn't know how to ride very good.

450rJam
08-23-2007, 03:27 PM
rider / rider / rider

banshees are not fast until you open them up and let them breath
400ex has usable power
with equal riders the banshee should pull the 400ex in a straight line
what happens when you and your cousin swap quads and race ??

08-23-2007, 05:06 PM
I have riden banshees and 400ex. My 400ex can beat a banshee. This isnt hard to believe because look at a 250r and a banshee. When they are both stock the 250R can beat a banshee. Banshees dont use their power as well. Think about it how can a quad thats only single cylinder and 100cc less beat a banshee? Do the math people. 1st off a Honda runs better and is better than any Yamaha. If a TRX250EX can beat a LTZ250 that has 20 more cc what does that tell you about who uses the power better?

450rJam
08-23-2007, 05:48 PM
didnt say it couldnt be done,
I can get on my daughters crf70 and put her on my 450r and beat her

see my last post--------rider / rider / rider

the 250r wasnt even the fastest 2 stroke 250 (straight line stock for stock the lt250r was faster)
but the honda 250r was famous for its handleing geometry
which the 400ex was designed after.

I have rode many banshee's, owned a 250r and still have a 400ex

the size of the motor is only one number in the equation.
(and not the most important)
with equal riders, stock vs stock the banshee beats a 400ex in a straight line, period

08-23-2007, 06:01 PM
Disagreed and I can prove it, there is a calculator that calculates the speed of each gear on a atv factoring in sproket sizes and tire sizes. Both stock heres what it has:


400EX TOP MPH:68.62

BANSHEE TOP MPH: 66.08

250R TOP MPH: 69.85


The only reason a banshee can beat a 400ex SOMETIMES!!!...out of the factory would be banshees have 22" tires and 400ex has 19.5"

I have beaten Banshees on my stock 400ex so think what you want. You say its the rider, yes that does play a huge role in it but different companies and quads utilize their HP differently. Same reason a quad 20cc less(TRX250EX) can beat a LTZ250. The Hondas engine is mounted differntly which utilizes the power differnent and other factors as well.

450rJam
08-23-2007, 06:57 PM
oh, my bad

I didnt realize you where talking about a NO SKILLED, who wants to hold the throttle longer race, 10 miles down the road.

when talking about who is faster it is asumed (99.999% of the time) that it is a 300' drag race

but with your monster 2.54 mph top end advantage it would only take you about 15 min. to catch the banshee that killed you until he hit his rev limiter

there is a saying// if both motors make the same power: the one that makes it first wins

Honda10
08-23-2007, 08:07 PM
i am a witnness of a foxhondarider and his cousins banshee, they run even sometimes and other timees the banshee wins but this is only beacause the banshee has 22" factory tires. And if the 400 had 22in tires it would beat it every time and hot some of the time. We not talking pinning the gas for like 4 miles, we r taking like 300-400'. Tell me this to how can a 397cc, single cylinder, single carb, 4 stroke, run even with a 350cc 2 cylinder, 2 carberator two stroke. you can not sit there and tell me that a yamaha enine is built better than a honda.

08-23-2007, 08:14 PM
Honda10(Simon) edit your post to 19.5" 400 tires. They say 20" but they are 19.5

450rJam
08-23-2007, 08:35 PM
its called rider skills

also how much do you both weigh?
if I get on the 400 and do 10 300' timed passes
then get on the banshee and do the same the banshee passes will be faster.

the banshee is so corked up stock its like you running a mile with only a straw to breath out of.

dont get me wrong im honda all the way but I tell it like it is

I have 2 honda dirtbikes and 3 honda quads
and have offered the only suzuki I own to trade for a 250ex but none of the "suzuki is better" guys wants to deal it

08-23-2007, 09:08 PM
alright, I know i'm a better rider than my cousin but I have raced other banshees and rode banshees and I know what they can do. That is going in a straight line. A 400ex is faster no matter what you say because I have proved that even with 2.5" SMALLER TIRES! 5HP should make a difference of killing me by 3 lengths or something in a drag but no. I have 27.2HP and a banshee has 35 or something. If I put on a slip on HMF, my K&N and jetted it I would murder than banshee. If I just took off my airbox lid and jetted it I would easily beat a banshee. I have raced them and I have had many whitnesses so I know what I'm talking about

450rJam
08-23-2007, 09:12 PM
if both of you add pipes and jet and lose the lids you will be toast

this is stupid, its a ltz250 vs trx250ex

for banshee vs 400ex you need to start another thread

08-24-2007, 02:31 PM
No your not understanding the point! The point is different engines may have more HP but not be as fast! Thats the whole point.

450rJam
08-24-2007, 04:31 PM
as fast ? are we talking as in quickness ? as in a drag race ?

peak hp dont mater, if two motors make close to the same hp numbers but one of them holds higher numbers longer it will win the race.

thats why some 2 strokes with really high hp numbers can be beat by a 4 stroke with less hp but a better power curve.

im not arguing this point, I am just saying stock vs stock in a drag race the banshee is faster/quicker/first one to the 300' mark

and they both need to be in good running order, not a new 400ex and a 1990 banshee on its original set of rings

08-24-2007, 08:02 PM
No its my 2004 400ex vs a 2006 Banshee. And to the 300' mark I would win, banshee doesnt pass me until it hits its last gear and then it gets ahead by 1 length after I'm basically topped out because I have 19.5" tires and banshees have 22"

450rJam
08-25-2007, 07:38 AM
this has what ? to do with a 250ex vs z250

remember my first post to you ????


rider/rider/rider

you keep hacking that YOU can beat your COUSIN

not saying your wrong with your situation, I have never said you on your 400 cant beat your cousin on his banshee

not saying you cant win the lottery if you buy a ticket
but most who do dont

most who race stock 400ex's vs stock banshee's wont win either
go to the banshee section and post "400ex vs banshee (stock)"
and do the same in the 400ex section and you may be able to see the light

this is my last post in this thread as WE have already trashed it.

08-25-2007, 10:26 AM
My 1st post was that the 250ex will win against the ltz250 and thats because the way the engine is mounted. I also said that the ltz may have 20cc more but still isnt as fast. Then thats were I came in saying differnt machines use their HP differently. Then I did an example of my 400ex and a banshee. Thats what my post was about