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tat900
07-17-2007, 08:33 AM
CHEAP TOMATOES


This one tells it like it really is..............Hope you read it all...........

THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE.


This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet


Tomatoes and Cheap Labor


CHEAP TOMATOES?
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
Independent

From a California school teacher - - -


"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a
large southern California high school which is designated a Title
1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels.
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are
protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program.
When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and
roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices
that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is
monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash
uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at
least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell
phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed
teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend
class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for
babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOL! LARS AT< BR>WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need
for anything; my budget was already substantial.. I ended up
buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of
which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the
appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to
have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute
teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students
here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell
with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing
things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc.
Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country
but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some
time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical
costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc., etc. For me, I'll pay more
for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster
because we won't have the guts to enforce it.
Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily
leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that
contribute to our country and many that I consider my true
friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have
done it the right and leg al way.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-
world culture that does not value education, that accepts children
getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses
to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and
worried about "politically correctness" that we don't have the
will to do anything about it.


If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a
myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.
He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if
he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for
SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of
this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or
homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed
material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour
in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after
paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and
trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH ! RIGHT! Wake up people.
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'

HondaEXrider22
07-17-2007, 08:55 AM
So very true. But does our government care? Hell NO. Does it affect them personally? No. They don't care. Or they care, as long as it provides them with job security. Will anything ever get done at our states and nations government level? NO. The government is still getting their tomatoes on their plates and still keeping a full wallet so why would they care?

tat900
07-17-2007, 10:43 AM
In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Quad18star
07-17-2007, 11:15 AM
We have a similar problem up here in Canada , although it's not with illegal immigrants but those that come here legally... mostly Pakis , Chinese and such.

But here's the thing .... these people that pick in the fields for $5 an hour or less are needed ... because if it wouldn't be for them we wouldn't be paying $1.50 /lb for tomatoes ... we'd be paying $4 /lb because God knows today you can't get a kid to get off their a** and pick in a hot field for 10 hours a day for less than $10 an hour .

It might put a hurt on the economy to pay cheap labour , but it's a hell of a lot better than having no one wanting the job and having to import which would kill the economy.

Pappy
07-17-2007, 01:36 PM
3 regular sized tomatoes grown in hothouses in North Carolina are for sale at my local Food Lion for $3.75. If they are so cheap, why are the tomatoes so expensive:confused:

I asked 2 different landscape company owners today what they paid their green card workers, both said over $12 an hour. (actually cheap for the area) but a far cry from $5 an hour as the article posted above states.

there is no good answer beyond stopping the incentive for them coming here if they do not want to assimilate to our culture(of course right now the culture in America is anti everything so maybe we could get them to be anti-American...oh wait, most of them already are!)

and Greg, if you factor in what the illegals cost the taxpayer(atleast here in the states), we would come out ahead by paying more for the products and services that supposedly save us money!

chris46250r
07-17-2007, 07:49 PM
I would gladly pay $5 dollars a pound for some good ole redneck picked maters if thats what it takes.

protraxrptr17
07-17-2007, 09:06 PM
I would pay $15 a pound if it would get our country back to the great nation it once was. It sickens me to see how these people disrespect what we have given them. It also sickens me because I can't see how we can get rid of them now, without some sort of extreme, get out or be killed, nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I know we all were immigrants at one time or another. But they should start with nothing just like I did.

Cr85rRida
07-17-2007, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by chris46250r
I would gladly pay $5 dollars a pound for some good ole redneck picked maters if thats what it takes.



lol maters hahah i thought i was the only guy who used that word in refrence to tomatoes :cool:

wilkin250r
07-18-2007, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Pappy
there is no good answer beyond stopping the incentive for them coming here

Absolutely!!

My solution is to let them all come in, but make it illegal to pay them over $2.50 per hour. And make it outrageous, like $100,000 fine for each offense. We want cheap labor, let's make it REAL cheap.

Also, no Naturalization laws. Children born to illegals are still illegal. They get granted citizenship after graduation from high school.

Any illegal convicted of a crime worse than speeding gets deported. If that person is a minor, the ENTIRE FAMILY gets deported.







Vote Wilkin for President!!!

<DRS>GPF
07-18-2007, 06:50 AM
farmers here in IL hire them by the bus load.. theyre paid $5 to $7 per hour and no OT wages.
theyve been given all the jobs i had done when i was a kid, and even given the same wages that i had when i was a kid..

these "farmers" then write off the costs of paying and possibly feeding them, thus getting another tax break, as an operating cost. (another form of farmers welfare)

its only about cheap labor.. those that have the money dont like to pay for an honest days work.
apparently, some areas dont have these problems, so ill be sure to send them that way so they can make twice as much.

there's more to the US than your own back yard and what may be "good for you" isnt whats good for all. the phrase is "one nation", not "one person"..

tat900
07-18-2007, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by protraxrptr17
I would pay $15 a pound if it would get our country back to the great nation it once was. It sickens me to see how these people disrespect what we have given them. It also sickens me because I can't see how we can get rid of them now, without some sort of extreme, get out or be killed, nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I know we all were immigrants at one time or another. But they should start with nothing just like I did.

Zeb , I have alot of issues with illegal employees. LAst year I lost a 35 thousand dollar job on a apartment complex because I pay my guys 15 a hour and show taxes on them . I will not stoop to using ilegal workers and its hurting me daily. We do tons on landscaping on new homes and everyday it gets worse and worse . How is it down in south arkansas .

ZeroLogic
07-18-2007, 07:09 AM
If you do not pay taxes you should not be in America.:o

<DRS>GPF
07-19-2007, 06:02 AM
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JOEX
07-19-2007, 10:16 PM
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.
He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if
he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for
SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of
this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

As far as I know illegal aliens do not qualify for ANY of these benefits.

Quad18star
07-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by JOEX
As far as I know illegal aliens do not qualify for ANY of these benefits.

That's what I was thinking , but thought maybe you all had different rules or something .

If you're illegal , my best guess is that you wouldn't notify the government that you're in the country ( hence why you're illegal) , unless of course you wanted to get deported , right? :confused:

JOEX
07-19-2007, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Quad18star
That's what I was thinking , but thought maybe you all had different rules or something .

If you're illegal , my best guess is that you wouldn't notify the government that you're in the country ( hence why you're illegal) , unless of course you wanted to get deported , right? :confused:
Exactly. I think this is one of those bogus internet letters but it does bring attention to a topic that needs to be worked on. Snopes has it as 'undecided'.

07250ex
07-20-2007, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by JOEX
Exactly. I think this is one of those bogus internet letters but it does bring attention to a topic that needs to be worked on. Snopes has it as 'undecided'.

busted lol

cop292
07-20-2007, 05:06 AM
Joex, You are incorrect. If an illegal alien has a child in the U.S., that child is a citizen. The child is eligible for all of the benefits mentioned, and more. Or they use fake documentation that goes unchecked.

JOEX
07-20-2007, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by cop292
Joex, You are incorrect. If an illegal alien has a child in the U.S., that child is a citizen. The child is eligible for all of the benefits mentioned, and more. Or they use fake documentation that goes unchecked.
The child may qualify but illegal does not as this letter says.

I agree about the fake documentation. The term 'identity theft' has been attached to that recently, at least around here.