400ex vs. blaster [Archive] - ATV Riders Forum

GlowBoy

07-22-2007, 01:57 PM

I guess it all depends on the track, if its tight you could have some problems. On a tight track its more technique than power. Thats what we have at our house, we have one long straight but that has a set of three single jumps to slow everyone down. When my Mojave was in top shape with all the mods. Big Gun Race, K&N Filter, Maxxis RaZr's, +2 A-Arms, and my suspension revalved to me. I ran laps around him, he had the one in my sig. Now with those new tires its alot better.

pbblaster2

07-26-2007, 11:52 AM

all rider but the blaster does need a pipe to realy wake it up

Hondamaster5505

08-07-2007, 03:53 PM

Ive owned both bikes. Right now i have the 400. My blaster, I had a FMF fatty pipe w/ LRD pro2 silencer. also jetting. The 400 has an aftermarket airfilter, and removed baffle. Personally, The 400 handles better, accelerates better, and has a decent top speed, it only lacks on top end. Dont get me wrong, i loved my blaster, but it isnt as fast. now throw a 240 kit on and better shox, a-arms, and axle, and the 400 wouldnt stand a chance without exhaust and 416 kit.

But stock for stock, maybe a few mods, the 400 IS faster.

Whoever thinks the blaster shouldnt have been replace with a 4-stroke is awesome! Im actually thinkin bout a banshee already

honda450rider33

08-07-2007, 07:14 PM

that is funny because a guy in another thread in this blaster page clames he can beat 450's, 250 dirtbikes. and he does this all with a blaster with a pipe, reeds, and a bigger carb. and he will not stop. it is the thread "wanting Blaster". but i agree with you blasters can be fast if you make them

08-13-2007, 09:54 PM

alright ii have many examples for you. My brother when his 400ex was completely stock, raced his friend with every mod possible to a blaster, i mean every mod. And they took off the same and shortly after the 400ex was long gone and the blaster was till trying. A 250ex with a pipe can beat a blaster. 400ex murders a blaster.

Hondamaster5505

08-14-2007, 07:52 AM

no, a piped 250ex would not beat a blaster. 250ex's suck. they have like 13hp. Blasters are pretty potent, ill give them that, at 20hp. But it still wont touch the 400 without a big bore kit.

blaster99

08-14-2007, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
alright ii have many examples for you. My brother when his 400ex was completely stock, raced his friend with every mod possible to a blaster, i mean every mod. And they took off the same and shortly after the 400ex was long gone and the blaster was till trying. A 250ex with a pipe can beat a blaster. 400ex murders a blaster.

there is no way a 250 4 stroke will ever beat a blaster. especally if its shaft driven and dosent even have a clutch!! i would bet milions that with equal riders the blaster would **** all over the 250ex wit ha pipe, even if it had the only other mod for it.. an air filter.. woooooooo and air filter! give me a break

blasterfreak99

08-14-2007, 02:26 PM

dude you are full of it. my blaster stomps the **** out of a 400ex and it still doesnt have every possible mod that i can do to it. and the guy that i was racing is about equal to me in a straight line

honda450rider33

08-14-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
alright ii have many examples for you. My brother when his 400ex was completely stock, raced his friend with every mod possible to a blaster, i mean every mod. And they took off the same and shortly after the 400ex was long gone and the blaster was till trying. A 250ex with a pipe can beat a blaster. 400ex murders a blaster.

yeah no way a piped 250ex will beat a blaster my friend that i ride with all the time has a pipe on his 250ex and i completely smoke him off the line by about a quad length. and by the time it is all said and done in about a 300 foot stretch i have him by about 3 quad lengths

Hondamaster5505

08-15-2007, 09:25 AM

Ok, alot of you guys dont know what your talking about.
Im gonna set it straight, mind you i had both, pics to prove it.
Heres the deal:

400EX BLASTER OUTCOME
stock 28hp stock 20hp 400ex

pipe/jetting pipe/jetting 400ex
air filter 32-34hp air filter 24hp

440 kit 40+hp 240 kit 40+hp Really about who
The better rider is.

Hondamaster5505

08-15-2007, 09:28 AM

sorry that came out a mess.
stock for stock, 400ex-28hp, blaster-20hp 400ex wins
pipe/jetting/air filter 400ex-32-34hp blaster-24hp 400ex wins
240/440 kit 400ex-40+hp blaster-40+hp who the better rider is.

440ex2001

08-31-2007, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
sorry that came out a mess.
stock for stock, 400ex-28hp, blaster-20hp 400ex wins
pipe/jetting/air filter 400ex-32-34hp blaster-24hp 400ex wins
240/440 kit 400ex-40+hp blaster-40+hp who the better rider is.

Dude, what are you talking about?
If you max out a blaster and a 400ex of course the 400 ex be faster on a track. If you put on a 240 kit,a +4mm crank, a full dragport, a 36mm carb, right side exhaust and have the frame setup right a blaster CAN beat a maxed 400 in a drag because its a 2-stroke. On a MX track a ex will shine becasue it has a better suspension and more bottom end power. Modded blaster vs. stock 400 ,Blaster wins

nitronate

08-31-2007, 03:39 PM

Comparing only the horsepower ratings of a 400ex and a Blaster does not prove which will win. Saying a 400 has 28hp and a Blaster has 20hp doesn't determine a winner. Otherwise, drag racing wouldn't exist and we'd all do dyno competitions instead!

You also need to factor in the weight of each machine. A power to weight ratio gives better indication of the acceleration potential of a machine.

Also, you haven't accounted for rider weight, wind resistance, gear ratios, tire selection, rider ability, etc..etc...

There are way too many variables to say one will be the winner without racing them side by side. No doubt there are Blasters that will smoke 400s and vice versa.

Hondamaster5505

08-31-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by 440ex2001
Dude, what are you talking about?
If you max out a blaster and a 400ex of course the 400 ex be faster on a track. If you put on a 240 kit,a +4mm crank, a full dragport, a 36mm carb, right side exhaust and have the frame setup right a blaster CAN beat a maxed 400 in a drag because its a 2-stroke. On a MX track a ex will shine becasue it has a better suspension and more bottom end power. Modded blaster vs. stock 400 ,Blaster wins

Ok, this whole thing, whats faster, a stock 400ex or stock blaster?
You had just said your self, modded blaster vs 400ex, blaster wins. well, thats an unfair advantge.

And be real, the average rider cant run drag porting, so theres 15hp down the drain from what you said.
You'll end up havin a f.ucking ring catch or something.

id like to see a 240 stroker beat a 500 stroker ex.
I LOVE BLASTERS!!!
I had one myself.
but be real, ive had both, rode both, both with same mods, the 400ex is faster, better handling, and just all around better.
But i will admit, those little blasters can f.uckin move!

440ex2001

08-31-2007, 11:30 PM

The only reason I say they can beat a maxed out 400 is because i have seen a blaster run the same times as very strong shees.
I've never seen this done with the baddest of 400's I used to have one it was quick but not shee quick.
A drag port only cost about 150 bucks if you send it to the right guy(eviltwin) so its not that hard to get done. Its actually pretty inexpensive.

Hondamaster5505

09-01-2007, 09:03 AM

i didnt say it wasnt expensive. Im just saying the average rider can run drag porting, its not good for anything but drag racing. The average person can probably run mx porting or something, unless you're an all-out drag racer. And my dad has a banshee thats somewhat modded. I have raced him, and he crapped all over the 400. But i know maxed out with a 500 stroker and all that shi.t, it would be just as fast

Hondamaster5505

09-01-2007, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
i didnt say it wasnt expensive. Im just saying the average rider can run drag porting, its not good for anything but drag racing. The average person can probably run mx porting or something, unless you're an all-out drag racer. And my dad has a banshee thats somewhat modded. I have raced him, and he crapped all over the 400. But i know maxed out with a 500 stroker and all that shi.t, it would be just as fast

Oops, some corections:

say it (was*)

rider (can't*) run

450rJam

09-01-2007, 10:52 AM

this is getting borderline retarded

did someone really say that a blaster was running same times as a "very strong shee"? HA HAH HA HAH HA

I would like to thank you for that laugh, your a real comic

oh and
"set up right a blaster CAN beat a 400 because it is two stroke"

it would win becasue its 2 stroke ? what kind of logic is that ?
I can out run you because my helmet is black. lol

blasters compete closely with 250x/250ex/300ex
the 400ex will out performe the blaster everywhere.

if you run a blaster and you beat a 400ex then pat yourself on the back because your a better rider...............your not on a faster quad.
440ex2001 your the same person from the other thread that was making rediculas statements about how bad blasters are.

they are what they are, a beginner/starter quad that can be modded for above average performance

a 400 was the baddest im production atv available until the 450's came on the scene.

440ex2001

09-01-2007, 06:57 PM

Dude, I'm sorry I don't strictly stick to 4-stroke forums and repeat all the **** I hear with no actual experience.
I love all quads and am interestred in both 4 and 2 stroke this gives me knowldege of every aspect of our hobby. I don't do the I hate 4 strokes just because I own one thing like so many of you guys do. I love QUADS. I also build them and talk with and share info with both 4-stroke and 2-stroke engine builders. I am the guy building the motor that you think is so fast but don't know why. So I'm not going to argue with you. I will just tell you to go to more races than just MX and XC. Go to some sand drags , go to some hill climbs. Look at what are the fast quads there. Banshees, 250r's, blasters, tecates etc. ALL 2-strokes. They can be built for more power than you can comprehend becasue you maturity level and inexperience henders you from learning. I'm sorry. The real world is out there why don't you take a look?

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/lrdunlap/?action=view&current=uvs070826-004.flv

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/lrdunlap/?action=view&current=uvs070826-006.flv

These are vids of my engine builder buddy matt racing an ltr450
and a predator 500 on a blaster with a +3 crank full drag port 93 octane pump gas and a few little secrets.
Any comments?

450rJam

09-01-2007, 07:25 PM

comments ? yep

im 40 years old and have been riding since I was 9, my dad owned and ran a suzuki shop as I grew up.

I started out on a honda 90, graduated to a rm80 which I raced through grade school and into jr. high where I moved up to a rm125 then to a rm250 (all sponsered by sunrise suzuki)

I got away from racing for a while but still rode for fun on an old p.e. 400 then to an rm465. Then got into quads, first an old 250x, then a 250r and on to a 450r.
(right now I have a z250/250ex/400ex/450r)

my maturity level is sufficient for this discussion.

I was refering to your comment about the blaster would win because it is 2 stroke (still laughing) just because its 2 stroke dont make it fast !!!!!

anything can be made fast, but for every video you can dig up of a blaster beating a 400+ atv there are a million the other way.

lions eat water buffalo regularly but every once in a while the lion gets the short end of the horn.

get it ??

440ex2001

09-01-2007, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
this is getting borderline retarded

did someone really say that a blaster was running same times as a "very strong shee"? HA HAH HA HAH HA

I would like to thank you for that laugh, your a real comic

oh and
"set up right a blaster CAN beat a 400 because it is two stroke"

it would win becasue its 2 stroke ? what kind of logic is that ?
I can out run you because my helmet is black. lol

blasters compete closely with 250x/250ex/300ex
the 400ex will out performe the blaster everywhere.

if you run a blaster and you beat a 400ex then pat yourself on the back because your a better rider...............your not on a faster quad.
440ex2001 your the same person from the other thread that was making rediculas statements about how bad blasters are.

they are what they are, a beginner/starter quad that can be modded for above average performance

a 400 was the baddest im production atv available until the 450's came on the scene.

I posted those vids to prove that a blaster could beat a 400ex. You laughed about it remember ?Implying that it was not possible.
I showed you a blaster beating more than a 400 but a 450 and a 500. I'm sure you can find a vid of a 450 beating a blaster. Thats not the point
I made a statement you laughed about it, I proved my statement was true with facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FPUk6eOZt0

Every one keeps laughing and being arrogant about this discussion. I'm just reminding you that 2-strokes have more power potetnial than a four stroke quad.
These are vids of a 200cc 2-stroke beating 4-strokes with almost 4x's the cc's. It can be done how do you argue with that?

You also stated that blasters compete with 250ex' and 300ex's
And I "retarded" to think otherwise. I'm showing you 450's500's and 700's here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBon0_UEUeA

pb_paulie_b

09-01-2007, 08:02 PM

That Blaster is doin it!

450rJam

09-01-2007, 08:32 PM

that blaster is hauling butt..............

but its not because its 2 stroke, its because the builder did it right

google "fire breathing 250x"

its basically a 250x hill shooter that hauls
(but its not because its a 4 stroke) its because the builder did it right

there are exceptions to every rule

440ex2001

09-01-2007, 08:59 PM

So is it sooo ridiculous to say a blaster can beat a 400? Thats my issue here. You laughed about it when I said it could beat 400's and shee's. So what about now.
Does that mean a 250x can beat a 400,450,500 700 too? If the builder does it right? I would have to see footage to believe that.

That 250x is actually a 410cc alky motor.....

I was just informed that the blaster in the vid was not just a 200cc it was a stroked 240 with full drag port.

StrokedTater240

09-01-2007, 10:04 PM

but mine runs on gas not alcohol......:devil:

440ex2001

09-01-2007, 10:18 PM

[?B]
blasters compete closely with 250x/250ex/300ex
the 400ex will out performe the blaster everywhere.

if you run a blaster and you beat a 400ex then pat yourself on the back because your a better rider...............your not on a faster quad.
440ex2001 your the same person from the other thread that was making rediculas statements about how bad blasters are.

they are what they are, a beginner/starter quad that can be modded for above average performance

a 400 was the baddest im production atv available until the 450's came on the scene. [/B]

I guess your blaster shut these guys up tater:devil:

StrokedTater240

09-01-2007, 10:29 PM

well it is a full built drag machine and cannot be trail ridden..but 4 stroke drag quads that displace 2 time the cc's as our bikes cannot hang..it has been proven..i race highly competitve dirt drags 20+ races a year.at a professional level,i know.if i have any disbelievers i have video.thank you.

450rJam

09-02-2007, 06:41 PM

anything can be made fast, if its built right

I have seen crazy stuff like this that is almost unbelievable

im really not into "one trick ponies"

I said if it did it wasnt just because its a two stroke

just because its 2 stroke dont make it fast
(polaris proved that over the last 15 years)

I have seen vega's pull corvettes and mini vans pull mustangs
they are in the same percentage as that blaster

taters blaster is faster than 99% of all the other blasters out there (maybe higher)

lets talk about 99% of blasters vs 99% of 400ex's
when you ask which is faster? stock blaster vs stock 400ex
it is the masses you compair not the rare one in a million

im done here

honda450rider33

09-02-2007, 08:33 PM

like 450rjam said blasters can be fast with the right mods and the right builder and can beat 400s,450s,etc but that blaster is a strickly drag blaster take that blaster anywhere but a straight line and it will get its a** handed to it. the ltr and predator were stock and can go and ride anywhere where as that blaster(not saying it is not fast/competative it is fast as hell that is probrably one of if not the fastest blasters i have everseen.) is stuck to the drag strip and has probrably 7-10 grand invested into it i would guess to where as that ltr/pred are stock nobody ever said that 2stokes are slow with the RIGHT MODS can run with any 4 stoke but just because it is a 2stoke dosent automatically make it the fastest most modifable thing on earth

440ex2001

09-02-2007, 10:12 PM

Well you guys said it could be not be done and called me retarded for thinking it could.
Blasters being fast are not rarem maybe to you guys. You just dont hear about them because you only invlove your self in the 4-stroke aspect of this sport. You forget about the 2-stroke side and trust me there are more blaster out there that can beat 400' and 450's just like I have said time and time again.

honda450rider33

09-03-2007, 09:45 AM

you obviously have never ridden a 450 then your everyday blaster is not going to beat one a 400 that is a different story the motor does not have to be as built probrably a 240 bigbore with 14/40 gears would do it for a 450 a 240 stoker with some heavy porting, etc. probrably a 5,000 dollar motor your everyday blaster with a pipe/filter will not even come close same with a 400

440ex2001

09-03-2007, 10:27 AM

Yes I have ridden a 450r have you ever ridden a quadzilla? Whats the point? The zilla makes every thing feel slow.Okay, atleast I'm getting some where. You guys have went from laughing and saying it could NEVER happen to well ,not an everyday blaster . I agree a piped blaster cant hang with a 400 but they can be built to out run alot bigger quads. It will not cost 5g's either.
The most expensive parts it would cost $1300 for a sonic 240 kit with 250r intake, ct right side pipe, 36mm PWK carb, $150 for some vforce reeds.
Then I'd send it to flowtek for porting for $180
So thats $1630 not $5000's.

I'm not a hard core blaster enthuiast, I know they are begginer quad but they can be built to run with bigger quads and it does not take that much. Its cheaper to build and easier to get power out of 2-strokes. I like buying things that people assume are small and slow then beating them.

Matt's blaster has more mods that what I have listed but he was also beating MODDED 450's and 700r's. He freakin killed the 700 and walked the 450 down like the guy threw out an anchor. Its not like he barely hung with them.
The mods I listed will put it up there with a 450

StrokedTater240

09-03-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by honda450rider33
like 450rjam said blasters can be fast with the right mods and the right builder and can beat 400s,450s,etc but that blaster is a strickly drag blaster take that blaster anywhere but a straight line and it will get its a** handed to it. the ltr and predator were stock and can go and ride anywhere where as that blaster(not saying it is not fast/competative it is fast as hell that is probrably one of if not the fastest blasters i have everseen.) is stuck to the drag strip and has probrably 7-10 grand invested into it i would guess to where as that ltr/pred are stock nobody ever said that 2stokes are slow with the RIGHT MODS can run with any 4 stoke but just because it is a 2stoke dosent automatically make it the fastest most modifable thing on earth
my blaster has less than half that amount invested in the aftermarket.the ltr was was equipped with the yosh exhaust and programmer and had about a 70lbs. lbs smaller rider!!!with as low as my quad sits it would have it *** handed to it by trail quad on a dirt road,let alone in the woods..lol

exrider2001red

10-11-2007, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by blaster99
there is no way a 250 4 stroke will ever beat a blaster. especally if its shaft driven and dosent even have a clutch!! i would bet milions that with equal riders the blaster would **** all over the 250ex wit ha pipe, even if it had the only other mod for it.. an air filter.. woooooooo and air filter! give me a break

haha too late for that one didnt it get replaced by a 250 raptor and by what i have read is already faster then the old blaster

pbblaster2

10-13-2007, 08:27 AM

nope at the last local me and my friend were playign around and they are abou tthe same the raptor has it in the woods because of its torqy 4 stroke and blaster has it on top so they are abou tthe same(i was not on the blaster in my sng i was on a stock 88=p

ridered92

10-18-2007, 09:05 PM

ok im going to set you all stright my good friend has a 2004 500ex and a bills thunder series system he would smoke any blaster out there the only thing that can touch him is a 250r and the only thing that will beat him is a stock predator and theres no way in hell a fully moded blaster could touch a stock predator

pb_paulie_b

10-19-2007, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by ridered92
ok im going to set you all stright my good friend has a 2004 500ex and a bills thunder series system he would smoke any blaster out there the only thing that can touch him is a 250r and the only thing that will beat him is a stock predator and theres no way in hell a fully moded blaster could touch a stock predator
Come on ridered92. You got to know better then to make such a bold statement. My fully moded Blaster would stomp that 500ex...PB

ridered92

10-19-2007, 09:25 AM

not a chance

pb_paulie_b

10-19-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by ridered92
not a chance
I'll even leave my mud tires on...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/pb_paulie_b/DSCF3719.jpg

450rJam

10-19-2007, 03:45 PM

ha ha ha, he thinks a pred is fast

ridered92

10-19-2007, 05:46 PM

a pred would eat yours

450rJam

10-20-2007, 06:19 AM

wow, did you just do that to yourself ?

did you just proclaim in front of everyone here your lack of intelligence?

if I was you I would go ahead and delete that last post

or..................
if you really believe that, I will race you but I promise your going to be imbarrased

a stock pred isnt even in the race vs a 450r with a few mods

I would like to thank you for the laugh though

ridered92

10-20-2007, 11:16 PM

any time any day when your in maine lets race drag and woods

450rJam

10-21-2007, 04:36 AM

im going to go out on a limb here and claim you dont even have a pred. (or you wouldnt be bragging about a 300ex in your sig)

im not driving to main anytime soon but with the popularity of the 450r im sure you can find one locally to eat your friend/uncle/grandma/room mate/cat/parrot's pred (who ever you know or heard of that had one)

im done trying to talk since to you, at 15 you can find the facts for yourself (and dont start quoting dirt wheels)

ridered92

10-21-2007, 06:48 AM

im quoteing dirt wheeles my dads friend has a predator and smoke a 450r and his predator is stock and by the way just to show your intelance you said a predator wouldent stand a chance racing a 450r with a few mods how is that fair of a race when one stock and ones got mod? see you know you couldent even touch a predator and dont get me wrong i love honda but it still wouldent touch the predator

pb_paulie_b

10-21-2007, 07:30 AM

here's a video of a 'full mod Blaster' stomping a predator. AND it happens to be a 558 big bore predator with porting, cams, lectron carb, pipe, ect ect ect.
http://www.cpcustoms.com/videos/blaster_chassis_vids/MOV00853.MPG
I'm glad I found that. It saved me a plane ticket to maine :D

ridered92

10-21-2007, 09:19 AM

that blaster is made for drag and the predator isent set up for that so it dont count because thats all you can do is drag with it im talking about a blaster that you can still ride besides drag and it dident beat it by more than .5 sec

pb_paulie_b

10-21-2007, 10:00 AM

Now you need to define your definition of 'full mod'. That Pred WAS set up for drags too btw. I suppose my Blaster doesn't fall into your 'full mod' category either.
ridered92, I'm not trying to pick on you just want you to be careful what you post. There is always someone faster. A Predator 500 is only 48hp. Someone could take a stock Blaster and add N2O and beat it. That's only 1 mod.

ridered92

10-21-2007, 11:48 AM

modd both quads the same and the predator will win

ridered92

10-21-2007, 12:01 PM

to the guy that said a 450r would beat a predator here you go

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1mgFjXlHkPM&mode=related&search=

450rJam

10-21-2007, 03:54 PM

seen that video before, the chump on the honda either wasnt riding or couldnt ride (if you ever tried to take off on the street with the 450r you would understand, the front end wouldnt be on the ground)

talk is cheap, and internet racing is retarded

and as for the 450r with minor mods I was refering to mine vs your friends dads cousins brothers yada yada yada

and as for fair ??????? the pred has a 50cc advantage and still wont hang

with equal riders the 450r will win (on any drag,mx, or xc track)

how did this thread get back from the grave anyway?
wasnt it supose to be 400ex vs blaster ?

facts are still facts

Hondamaster5505

10-21-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
seen that video before, the chump on the honda either wasnt riding or couldnt ride (if you ever tried to take off on the street with the 450r you would understand, the front end wouldnt be on the ground)

talk is cheap, and internet racing is retarded

and as for the 450r with minor mods I was refering to mine vs your friends dads cousins brothers yada yada yada

and as for fair ??????? the pred has a 50cc advantage and still wont hang

with equal riders the 450r will win (on any drag,mx, or xc track)

how did this thread get back from the grave anyway?
wasnt it supose to be 400ex vs blaster ?

facts are still facts

I totally agree. And i owned both a blaster and now a 400ex. Both with pipes and airfilters.
I went to the 400ex because it was FASTER and BETTER HANDLING. Case closed, i love the blaster, but 400ex is faster.

11-03-2007, 04:34 PM

put a blaster and a 250ex on the same size tires and see how the race goes... blasters have like 24" tires and the 250ex has 22". same case with me and my cousins banshee. I have 19.5" tires and he has 22" tires, he gets me by aquad length in the long run because of the tire difference.

exrider2001red

11-03-2007, 06:39 PM

Hondamaster5505

11-03-2007, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
put a blaster and a 250ex on the same size tires and see how the race goes... blasters have like 24" tires and the 250ex has 22". same case with me and my cousins banshee. I have 19.5" tires and he has 22" tires, he gets me by aquad length in the long run because of the tire difference.

blasters have 22's....

And banshees are just generally faster than 400ex's, unless his was completely stock...

And blaster is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster than a 250ex, they dont even compare.

250ex- honda recon with sporty plastics. 13hp (if that)

blaster- not a utility quad with sporty plastics. 18-20hp

Its like comparing a banshee to a raptor 80. :rolleyes:

11-04-2007, 12:40 PM

sit a blaster next to a 250ex and look at the tire size difference. They say 22" on the blaster but there is no way. blasters have huge balloons.

450rJam

11-04-2007, 01:03 PM

you try a tape measure ?

amazing how much more accurate they are over visually guessing

11-04-2007, 01:27 PM

my 400ex says it has 20" tires but in reality they are 19.5" I dont have a 250ex anymore therefore i cant measure the tires but i assure you blasters have a bigger tire.

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 02:36 PM

i had a blaster, THEY ARE NOT bigger than 22, im not retarded. Unless the guy put 4x4 tires on the ****ing thing, than its not that big. I compared them to my 400ex's 20's.

450rJam

11-04-2007, 02:38 PM

you and your side kick seem to be really hung up on your 19.5"

you two have posted the 400ex tire size at 19.5" about 19.5 times in this thread alone

when he accidentally called it 20" you told him to correct it to 19.5"

perhaps you could get the admin to sticky the 19.5" tire size so that in the future everyone will know its really 19.5"

even though it says 20" its 19.5

we should contact honda to see if they even know of the 19.5" problem

maybe they can get the tire mfg to remove the 20 and write 19.5"
to be correct

all in all I do think I got it now, 19.5" would be your stock 400ex tire highth

but at what pressure ? because it does change as psi increases so maybe 19.5" should be stated at (x) psi

because maybe its 20" at 19.5 psi ?

but as a general rule of thumb 19.5" is what you are saying it is ?

now what was the question again?

11-04-2007, 03:12 PM

listen not all tires are correct from different tire companies. my brother 20" razrs are exactly 20" in the rear but the front say 22" but are 21".

19.5
19.5
19.5
19.5
19.5 like that? lol

450rJam

11-04-2007, 03:23 PM

yeah, thankx

I just won 10 bucks betting you would type it at least once more

it was just funny to me that you where so specific about the 1/2"
diff. but then estimate the blaster @ 24" guessing by the way it looked next to a 250ex

11-04-2007, 03:47 PM

my point with the 19.5 is that it isnt what the tire says like other things. i know the 250ex are 22" give or take a 1/2" haha and the blaster are bigger than that. you would be surprised how much 1" can affect the top speed of something. when i had a 250ex te blaster would pull up next to me in 5th when i was topped out then 6th it got ahead. put quads on the same tires and then race.

just 1/2 and inch is 2MPH for my 400ex. so tack on 2MPH for every half inch the tire is different. if my cusins stok banshee was put on the same size tires i had i would always win in a race. but that extra 2" make a huge difference.

450rJam

11-04-2007, 04:34 PM

I bet I have hit top end maybe 2 or 3 on my 450r and I dont hold it there

the fun is in the excelleration, not who has 62 mph over 60mph

do you not have a finish line when you race ?

gear/tire to hit your max or close to it in your distance of race

if the tire is close to its stamped size then you compensate with sprocket choice or power upgrades

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
my point with the 19.5 is that it isnt what the tire says like other things. i know the 250ex are 22" give or take a 1/2" haha and the blaster are bigger than that. you would be surprised how much 1" can affect the top speed of something. when i had a 250ex te blaster would pull up next to me in 5th when i was topped out then 6th it got ahead. put quads on the same tires and then race.

just 1/2 and inch is 2MPH for my 400ex. so tack on 2MPH for every half inch the tire is different. if my cusins stok banshee was put on the same size tires i had i would always win in a race. but that extra 2" make a huge difference.

You sound like a lying sack of crap right here..

250ex's are 5-speed, not 6-speed, so how can you top put in 6th on it???

And even if you were talking about the 400ex just then, they're 5-speed too. so wtf??

11-04-2007, 04:45 PM

blasters are 6 speed, i was saying a blaster and a 250ex are pretty close until the blaster hits 6th then it pulls away.

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
blasters are 6 speed, i was saying a blaster and a 250ex are pretty close until the blaster hits 6th then it pulls away.

Oh, i get ya now, you sounded like you said you were topped out in 6th, i was like wtf?

And they wouldnt be even. I've riddin my friends 250ex, and i used to have a blaster, and they dont even compare!!

Even he admitted the thing was a fuc.kin lawn tractor.
Its a recon utility with sporty plastics.. admit it.

Theres no way in HELL a 250ex would be neck to neck with a blaster unless it was heavilt modded, and even then it would barely be neck to neck.
Your comparing 2 different animals.
Even one test magazine said the blaster has close to the 400ex's power, but not quite.

Blaster- 2-stroke 200cc. 6-speed manual. chain drive. 18-20hp

250ex- 4-stroke 250cc. 5-speed auto-clutch. shaft drive. 12-13hp. Based off of the recon, with sporty plastics

11-04-2007, 05:05 PM

lol thats a lie with the blaster compared to 400ex because my friend has a blaster with every thing possibly done to a blaster before having an engine swap and my brothers completely stock 400ex murdered it. the take off was dead even and then the stock 400ex murdered it. i would say a blaster and 300ex are pretty close or at least in the same class. a 250ex isnt a recon with sporty plastics, the recon has less HP than the 250ex

450rJam

11-04-2007, 05:52 PM

the dynos I have seen average 16-18 hp on stock blaster
and 27-29 hp stock 400ex

the 400 handles better and the power is very controlable

put the same rider on each for an hour and he will choose the 400ex every time

pb_paulie_b

11-04-2007, 06:18 PM

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
lol thats a lie with the blaster compared to 400ex because my friend has a blaster with every thing possibly done to a blaster before having an engine swap and my brothers completely stock 400ex murdered it. the take off was dead even and then the stock 400ex murdered it. i would say a blaster and 300ex are pretty close or at least in the same class. a 250ex isnt a recon with sporty plastics, the recon has less HP than the 250ex

If you didnt know already, i had a blaster and now have a 400ex. The 400ex is faster, but not as much as you exagerated. Both are piped and jetted, and the blaster is a little slower, but not extremely slower. A fully modded blaster would smoke stock 400ex, i know what the hell im talking about. I went to the 400ex cuz it was a little bit faster, had a higher top speed, and its just a generally bigger bike..

And the recon IS a recon with sporty plastics. If you read any magazine with a 250 shootout, most of them will even say that. Maybe it has like 2hp more by tuning it, but it IS a recon.

450rJam

11-04-2007, 07:05 PM

there are exceptions for virtually everything

when we speak of things we generally talk in terms of probability

no a 400ex wont out run every blaster on the planet

but the odds on an average 400ex winning a race vs an average blaster are really in favor of the 400ex

I have seen mini vans and pinto's at the drag strip that can and do smoke mustangs and camaro's but under normal conditions if you pull up next to a mini van in a mustang the odds of you getting the best of it are really good

this whole post was started because someone knew someone with a drag blaster that is pretty fast wanted to hear everyone tell him the 400ex was a better atv, then he wanted to prove them wrong (but he didnt) all he did is prove what I just said.......

there are exceptions for virtually everything

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
there are exceptions for virtually everything

when we speak of things we generally talk in terms of probability

no a 400ex wont out run every blaster on the planet

but the odds on an average 400ex winning a race vs an average blaster are really in favor of the 400ex

I have seen mini vans and pinto's at the drag strip that can and do smoke mustangs and camaro's but under normal conditions if you pull up next to a mini van in a mustang the odds of you getting the best of it are really good

this whole post was started because someone knew someone with a drag blaster that is pretty fast wanted to hear everyone tell him the 400ex was a better atv, then he wanted to prove them wrong (but he didnt) all he did is prove what I just said.......

there are exceptions for virtually everything

Very well said

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 07:40 PM

Good example of an average blaster

FMF Fatty pipe with LRD silencer
Air filter
reeds
Offset front rims and wider axle in rear

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 07:41 PM

pic

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 07:41 PM

average 400ex:

pipe
air filter
offset rims

Hondamaster5505

11-04-2007, 07:42 PM

that 400ex is faster than my old blassie here

LEOGM5150

11-07-2007, 09:36 PM

i owned a blaster and built it with a stroker crank, 240cc big bore, fatty fmf pipe, powercore 2 silencer and a banshee carb. it was fast and fun to ride but when i bought my bone stock predator 500 it would leave that little built blaster like it was standing still, probably about 15 to 20 lengths in a drag race in 800 feet.

i never raced a 400ex on my blaster but i also raced stock 400ex's and a 426ex on my predator when it was stock. in a 800 foot race the stock ones were about 10 lengths back and the modded one about 5 or 6 lengths back. so i think you could beat him pretty good unless the blaster was seriously stroked, then it might be close.

as far as the handling if the blaster doesn't have a bunch done to it they ride horribly. the 400ex and any other modern 4 stroke will out handle it stock vrs stock.

either way race him and have fun.

Honda10

12-07-2007, 04:04 PM

Okay, going back to a the blaster vs. 250ex, when i reaced one stock vs. stock i only lost by a quad or even half a quad once. If i put a pipe on it i could beat a blaster. Plus we were even racing on the street where you get most grip. plus i also only had 20in tires and the blaster had the huge ballons.

honda450rider33

12-08-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Honda10
Okay, going back to a the blaster vs. 250ex, when i reaced one stock vs. stock i only lost by a quad or even half a quad once. If i put a pipe on it i could beat a blaster. Plus we were even racing on the street where you get most grip. plus i also only had 20in tires and the blaster had the huge ballons.

a blaster will always beat a 250ex in topend because the 250ex is shaft driven. also those huge ballon tires are only 21s so an inch is not very much 250ex's vs blasters is not a race in stock form the 250 just does not have the power that a blaster does a 250ex puts out about 13-15hp a blaster about 20. i have a blaster and i have smoked several 250's. i have a pipe on my blaster and my buddy has a pipe on his 250 and i beat him by about 2.5 quad lengths

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 07:02 AM

250ex's are SO slow in comparison to the blaster.

Dont get me wrong, 250ex's are better for beginners, but you'll get bored really quick. Blasters are so much faster its not even funny.

My cousin used to have a blaster also and his buddy still to this day has a 250ex, and both of them even the owner of the 250 call it the lawn tractor. He hates it so much and they always make fun of how slow it is.

Hes been wanting a new bike for so long, and mostly wants a blaster since they are so cheap. He would rather have a 450 if he could afford it.

450rJam

12-09-2007, 07:18 AM

bet he hasnt had to do anything to the 250ex, those things will run forever with normal maint.
(crash casualties dont count)

the blaster has been outdated for a while, the rappy 250 will make the blasters even cheaper

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by 450rJam
bet he hasnt had to do anything to the 250ex, those things will run forever with normal maint.
(crash casualties dont count)

the blaster has been outdated for a while, the rappy 250 will make the blasters even cheaper

BULLSH*T!!! lol.

He gets it serviced and maintained constantly.

He was riding and the whole f*ckin swingarm assemble axle and all just came right off!

My blaster, i never did anything to it! It never broke down, always ran good, never smoked, always stayed together.

Blasters are a lot more dependable than ppl give them credit for,

Honda10

12-09-2007, 07:49 AM

ok well a 250ex would have more torque with bolt on modds then a blaster. Anyways i dont drag race, i ride trails, and the blaster sucks balls through the trails.

450rJam

12-09-2007, 08:28 AM

calm down hondamaster5505

did I say your blaster wasnt reliable ?

I said it was out dated (most mfg are dropping 2 strokes)

wasnt this a 400ex vs blaster thread ?

there is a reason you sold the blaster and got a 400ex
(its a step up)

yeah the blaster is quicker than the 250ex, heck the old 250x is quicker than the 250ex, if you think the 250ex is designed to be a power house quad then your crazy.

the 250x,250ex,300ex and 400ex are more reliable than their competition

there is a reason they keep resale value,
(its like the accord/camry cars, if it will last a long time its $$)

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Honda10
ok well a 250ex would have more torque with bolt on modds then a blaster. Anyways i dont drag race, i ride trails, and the blaster sucks balls through the trails.

Dee dee dee!

no duh a four stroke will have more torque, thats like saying a big block has more torque than a 4-banger. duhh, of course!

But blaster is built to be more of a trail bike, and is decent in trails. Most low-end i ever felt in a 2-stroke.

And the blaster motor is provin, its been around since the 70's.

(ah, the old it175's)

And 450rjam, im not getting hiper, im trying to make a kinda joke. That swingarm thing really did happen though.

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 02:29 PM

and yes, i did sell the blaster to upgrade to the 400ex for the better handling and power:D

I miss my blassie though, she was a great bike:(

Honda10

12-09-2007, 02:45 PM

the blaster isnt a good choice through trails because it doesent have as much lowend and it is twist throttle.

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Honda10
the blaster isnt a good choice through trails because it doesent have as much lowend and it is twist throttle.

hahahahaha, no offense, but you sounded like a complete retard right now, hahaha

blasters dont come with twist throttles, all atv's come with thumb!

honda8&3

12-09-2007, 04:04 PM

Ya you can buy a twist throttle as an option but they don't come standard. All 2 strokes don't have that much lower end torque. IMO a 400ex is a much better quad for trails and with a few mods in the suspension it will hold its own on an MX track too. Don't get me wrong blasters are pretty good but I'd take a 400ex over it.:)

Honda10

12-09-2007, 05:36 PM

okay buddy all the blasters i have seen have had twist throtles.

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 05:38 PM

yeah, maybe they put them on, must i find a factory picture for a retard:o

ill find one, h/o

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 05:42 PM

OMG, is that a blaster? at a dealer? with a thumb throttle?:eek2:

Honda10

12-09-2007, 05:45 PM

calm down , you dont have to get all gay on my. I made a mistake.
My friend has a blaster with twist throttle and i was not aware that it was switched.

Hondamaster5505

12-09-2007, 05:51 PM

sorry man, i was just gettin kinda angry cuz i OWNED a blaster and know what they have.

A lot of people add twist throttles to atv's for some reason.

They work great on dirtbikes but suck on atv's because of when you turn.

lol

Honda10

12-09-2007, 05:53 PM

I just wasent aware, cuz he never told me that he converted, and wat i heard from people that rode his was that it sucked because every time you hit a bump you would jerk and gas it.

12-09-2007, 05:55 PM

the story ends with me puting a blaster into the wall Mike Wallace

Honda10

12-09-2007, 05:56 PM

lol

450rJam

12-09-2007, 06:18 PM

those twist throttles are hard to let off sometimes.....................

my son had a 250x and complained his thumb would get tired, so we put a twister on it. He loved it but my buddy jumped on it, riding a 3rd gear wheelie and almost put it into the pond because he couldnt get out of it

it takes some getting use to, thats for sure

01-08-2008, 06:50 PM

ok i own all three bikes blaster all done up trx 250 all donme up and a slightly modded 416ex ok the 250ex blows i use it for fun the blaster can beat the 416 all over the place in the sand banks and dunes the 416 with a pip caint tuch it but in trails and really opean arears the 416 does beat it but seriously who ever said the 250ex was faster is really wrong it was originally made from a recon and i love that bike but its slow why i got the 416 with pipes bigger carb bars nerfs and so on but the blaster is more equal to a craptor 350 or warrior the 400s are a little more sporty but the blaster would crush on the craptor 350 and espically the warrior so its a hard call

MTDman11

01-22-2008, 07:12 PM

this is not lie i know theres ganna be all u haters out there but its true

ok so i got my 300 ex was all stock had it for 2 weeks. some guy was at the sand pit with a madd looking blaster. he had 6 grand into it and it showed. he wanted to drag but i was like alright. i beat him 2 times in the drag race bare stock even tires. then we raced around the track at the sand pit and i beat him again 3 times on that.

pb_paulie_b

01-22-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by MTDman11
this is not lie i know theres ganna be all u haters out there but its true

ok so i got my 300 ex was all stock had it for 2 weeks. some guy was at the sand pit with a madd looking blaster. he had 6 grand into it and it showed. he wanted to drag but i was like alright. i beat him 2 times in the drag race bare stock even tires. then we raced around the track at the sand pit and i beat him again 3 times on that.
A Blaster can stomp a 300ex for alot less then 6k. I'm gonna say either He was the worst riders ever or could not get traction...PB

01-22-2008, 07:28 PM

a stock blaster and a stock 300ex is a win by the blaster their close but the blaster has it sorry to say you wrong but you are and a 400ex you need a piped and few other mods like reeds and boost bootle and an air filter to beat a 400ex

bmx_rider_07

04-15-2008, 06:27 PM

look mofos a 250ex wont touch a blaster i have a blaster wwith pipe only and my neighbor has a 250ex pipe only and he cant even touch my bike...both 20 inch tires and he is even a better rider so leave it alone

450rJam

04-15-2008, 07:43 PM

mofo ?????

ha ha

you look here mofo...................

this thread was dead for months, if you just want to stir crap take a dip in your toilet

just my opinion

bmx_rider_07

04-15-2008, 07:48 PM

**** you buddy ill take a **** in yyour moms throat

450rJam

04-15-2008, 07:54 PM

awwwwwwwwwww

did a "gay-ngsta" get sand in his vagina ?

breath in..............breath out......................

smell that ?

exactly, stop stiring the shizt

my friend

bmx_rider_07

04-15-2008, 07:58 PM

ohh easy *****

mdebuck

04-21-2008, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by bmx_rider_07
**** you buddy ill take a **** in yyour moms throat

don't most qays like that type of stuff. like the others said stop startin crap that doesn't need to be started

imprezkid

04-21-2008, 11:37 AM

Now now, fighting is what highschool is all about, you are all still in highschool right!!!!

p.s. my 250 would own you all!

p.s.s j/k i love blasters, building one right now, should be pretty nice

p.s.s.s o yeah my 250 will beat my blaster, hands down, no buts, ifs, maybe's, etc, the blaster will lose.

StrokedTater240

04-28-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by pb_paulie_b
A ported, stroked, big bore Blaster done right would be pushing 60hp.
no wayyyy!!!!!:eek2:

mdebuck

04-28-2008, 07:00 PM

whoever says a modded blaster can hit 60 horse has got to be ****tin them selves. i'm not gunna say its not possible i just wanna see some dyno charts for proof

StrokedTater240

04-28-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by mdebuck
whoever says a modded blaster can hit 60 horse has got to be ****tin them selves. i'm not gunna say its not possible i just wanna see some dyno charts for proof
man i was joking.there are a big handful of blasters in the states making 60+ rwhp.

mdebuck

04-28-2008, 07:19 PM

they must be some killer bikes. like i said i'm not sayin its not possible i just really wanna see some dyno charts

pb_paulie_b

04-28-2008, 07:56 PM

I've also heard of a Passion built basty in the puttin out 70+.

StrokedTater240

04-28-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by mdebuck
they must be some killer bikes. like i said i'm not sayin its not possible i just really wanna see some dyno charts
try www.cpcustoms.com
or www.planetsand.com

MTDman11

04-29-2008, 12:53 PM

a 300ex can rape a blaster. the only way it wouldnt would be a horibble driver. ok all you people in here say a blaster will win. go to the 300ex forums they will say a 300 can win. go to a 250ex forum they will say the 250 will win. everyone likes wat they have.

blaster22

05-14-2008, 06:27 PM

a blaster with some upgrades will beat a 300ex and a 400ex.
blasters are mean. they wil go.

mdebuck

05-14-2008, 06:31 PM

well its definite on the 300ex but the 400ex would have to be bone stock and the blaster would need some major mods

450rJam

05-14-2008, 07:11 PM

this thread should be dead ............ like the blaster

there is a reason yamaha dropped it ................... it couldnt compete with the 300ex

now the new 250 raptor .............. thats worth talking about

StrokedTater240

05-14-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
this thread should be dead ............ like the blaster

there is a reason yamaha dropped it ................... it couldnt compete with the 300ex

now the new 250 raptor .............. thats worth talking about
LMFAO...:rolleyes:

mdebuck

05-14-2008, 07:17 PM

lol ok stock for stock a raptor 250 V blaster. i'll put pink slips on that i win the race with a blaster. seriosly dude get ovber yourself and get off this thread if your gunna be a dick

450rJam

05-14-2008, 07:23 PM

you run a stock blaster vs a stock 250 rappy for pinks and you will be the one off the thread .....................

looking for another atv

go run one and it will earn your respect

mdebuck

05-14-2008, 07:28 PM

i've already rode a raptor 350. wasn't to impressed. now u can't tell me that a rator 250 can beat a raptor 350. so dude seriously theres no point in arguing the subject.

450rJam

05-14-2008, 07:54 PM

until your educated on the new 250 raptor you cant understand

the raptor 350 wasnt any faster than the 300ex

the 250 rappy is quicker (little less top speed) vs 300ex

like I said, go race one then come apologize to me

mdebuck

05-14-2008, 08:01 PM

alright dude i'll take your word for it. i'm saying that because i've never riddin one and i dono if i'll ever get to in the near future. besides this is something stupid to argue over and i really don't care either way considering the blaster is a 2 stroke 200 and a rator 250 is a 4 stroke. but whatever dude. l8r

blaster22

05-15-2008, 02:45 PM

dude are u stupid??
a raptor 250 is nothing compared to a blaster.

ok i would love 2 see a 250 4 stroke raptor against a blaster.
there is no chance..

mdebuck

05-15-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by blaster22
dude are u stupid??
a raptor 250 is nothing compared to a blaster.

ok i would love 2 see a 250 4 stroke raptor against a blaster.
there is no chance..

thanks for the back up dude. any one else care to pitch in

450rJam

05-15-2008, 03:48 PM

same to you..................... run one and apologize

dont tell me rain isnt wet until you have been in it

it will make YOU look stupid when you come in with wet head

there are blasters that can run and run hard

but 90% are being rode by youngsters just learning to ride
(a beginner quad that has been replaced because its outdated)

it all depends on what you compair it to .........

blaster vs 400ex (blaster is slow)
blaster vs 125ex (blaster is a rocket)
blaster vs 250rap/300ex (blaster is almost as good)

the blaster and old 250x where really close

mdebuck

05-15-2008, 04:00 PM

ok we arn't talking about youg kids beginning on quads. if so then the raptor 250 would be the one where parents bought them for their little ones. what i'm sayin is a drag race between me an you. with me on a stock blaster and you on a stock raptor 250. it takes nearly double the cc's of a 4 stroke to beat a 2 stroke. and you r telling me a blaster is out dated. BS dude. its because the EPA or whoever else has to jump in and say no more 2 strokes.

450rJam

05-15-2008, 04:18 PM

not long ago it did take about twice the cc's for a 4 stroke to compete with a 4 stroke

not so today (have you been away for a while?)

I dont have a 250 rappy, but I have seen several run
(aginst my buddys blaster)

im pretty brand loyal to honda so the odds on me buying a yamaha are pretty slim (unless I get a stupid deal)

which is why I own one suzuki (the stupid deal)

parents will be buying the 250 rappy for their kids that RACE
because its the best BEGINNER race atv available

I will run you on any of my atv's
and tell you before hand if you will win/lose and by how far

mapquest osawatomie kansas and lets ride..............

I dont dislike you at all, but your mis-informed

mdebuck

05-15-2008, 05:03 PM

no dude were kool and i'll definitwly put it in my plans to go riding with you when gas is 3 bucks a gallon. but seriously. take a CR250 vs a CRF450 and i bet you the CR will walk on the CRF. there considered to be in the same class if the AMA allowed 2 strokes. granted the 4 strokes are the future but still the 2 stroke is dominant in cc's. this is like taking a 350 banshee and racing a 400ex the banshee is guna smoke the 400ex.

blaster22

05-15-2008, 06:12 PM

exactly dude.
a banshee would run all over a 400ex.

ok and the thing is you cant look at it as someone that has never riddin be4 on a blaster.
on my blaster i have drag raced 400's and won some and lost some. pretty much a blaster will hang with a 400.

but i run circles around 250's on the track. and 300's.
it depends on the rider also.

mdebuck

05-15-2008, 06:59 PM

very true on the racing 250's and 300's. 400's get me usually on the drags but i can hang with them all day long on trail and stuff like that.

450rJam

05-15-2008, 07:31 PM

even back (way back) when my 450r was stock I could blow my friends stock 05 banshee away

so bad he would get pissed and stop racing

then with just hrc kit I was killing his 700 raptor

rider has alot to do with it, and the way the quad is set up

not just cc's

mdebuck

05-15-2008, 07:37 PM

i doubt you blem him away in a drag race. maybe on MX or XC but no way in a drag stock v stock. and you are right the rider does have a lot to do with it. but were not talking about how the 250 raptor or the blaster is set up. what we are talkin about is stock v stock. where cc's do matter.

450rJam

05-15-2008, 08:03 PM

vs banshee // it was a straight line drag race 300' marked off with cones (many times, he was usually about 6 lengths behind)

shee's can be taken to a crazy level but stock they are punk
there was even a 416ex beating him by 3 lengths

stomped the 700 at the little sahara dunes, not sure how long the strip was ......... he said he let off when I was 4 lengths ahead

I was going to trade him atv's and race again but he said no

I ride kansas/missour/oklahoma if anyone wants to hook up
and ride

going to waynoka the 28th of this month

mdebuck

05-15-2008, 08:26 PM

you should meet me in st joe state park (missouri). sometime this summer

450rJam

05-16-2008, 04:25 AM

you bet, that place is pretty cool

only been there once and only brought paddle tires
(I heard the trails are pretty good but couldnt check them out)

it was wet when I was there but that ash stuff was hooking
like crazy

mdebuck

05-16-2008, 08:23 AM

the trails are kick ***. the flats get a little boring after flying down them for so long. there wide open and technical. all depends on what you like to ride. they pretty much have it all

Hondamaster5505

05-16-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
vs banshee // it was a straight line drag race 300' marked off with cones (many times, he was usually about 6 lengths behind)

shee's can be taken to a crazy level but stock they are punk
there was even a 416ex beating him by 3 lengths

stomped the 700 at the little sahara dunes, not sure how long the strip was ......... he said he let off when I was 4 lengths ahead

I was going to trade him atv's and race again but he said no

I ride kansas/missour/oklahoma if anyone wants to hook up
and ride

going to waynoka the 28th of this month

THIS THREAD WON'T DIE!

I will cover two things. First this banshee vs 450r debate.

I completely and whole heartedly believe that you beat the banshee. This is coming from a banshee owner. Banshee's are very aneomic (sp?) stock, similar to a fast blaster is the way I decribe it's power. A stock 450 is a little faster than a stock banshee.

Now, that being said, throw a set of pipes and jetting banshee, and you have a 450 killer. From experience, and the races i've had, a piped/jetted shee will outrun a piped/jetted 450 easily. The one I raced, also had a cam mod, (yfz450), EHS lid, HMF full exhaust, etc. Even riders. The banshee was able to stay ahead of him, and leave him behind.

This isn't a knock to the 450's, they are definitely potent bikes.

Now, on the blaster vs 300ex/400ex/warrior, here's my experience, being i've also owned a blaster and have a 400ex now.

Blaster vs 300ex: The blaster would smoke it every time. As far as handling, the blaster felt a lot more agile, but the 300ex was more at home in the trails with the softer suspension. The blaster still held it's own on the trail too though..

Blaster vs 400ex: The 400ex is faster. But, with an experienced rider on the blaster, he would still be able to keep up. The 400ex is just bigger, with a nicer ride/suspension and more power.

Blaster vs warrior: Blaster is a little faster. Warrior has stiff front suspension, but great slider. Blaster is much more nimble.

450rJam

05-16-2008, 04:08 PM

with just the hrc kit my 450r still kills piped/jetted shee's

the porting is what really opens the banshee's breathing

I have been waxed by a few banshee's for sure

just dropped a little over a grand in piston/port/polish/+1valves

butt dyno says its money well spent

SteveRidesQuads

05-16-2008, 05:24 PM

ill take my 300 over a blaster any day =]

mdebuck

05-16-2008, 05:35 PM

hey hondamaster what are your thoughts on a blaster vs a raptor 250

Hondamaster5505

05-16-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by mdebuck
hey hondamaster what are your thoughts on a blaster vs a raptor 250

I can't really say. I have never ridden a rappy 250.

NOW, Supposedly the rappy 250 is 18hp, and the raptor 350 is 17hp.. My blaster was able to just barely squeak ahead of the warrior (same engine) So the blaster and rappy would probably be real close, maybe the rappy taking it by 1 length or so.

Like I said, this is all guessing. Never rode the 250

mdebuck

05-16-2008, 06:19 PM

well i'm not sure what horse the blaster has i believe its 17 or 18 i donno.

Hondamaster5505

05-16-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by mdebuck
well i'm not sure what horse the blaster has i believe its 17 or 18 i donno.

Yeah, the blaster is about 17hp, and 324lbs. The raptor 250 is 18hp and 313lbs. The raptor 350 is 18hp and 387lbs.

Blaster = A little quicker then warrior. So in my guesstimate, the rappy 250 will be a hair quicker than the blaster.

Like I said, blaster vs rappy 350 im positive about. Never rode the 250, but they sound tight.

450rJam

05-16-2008, 06:32 PM

the 2 strokes are fun (I really miss my old '87 250r)
but the 4 strokes power comes on early and stays longer

(and puts more of it to the ground rather than loosing it in wheel spin)

pick a dyno run and start at any rpm, go every 250 rpms and write down the hp, then devide by the number of hp numbers.............this will give you the average hp rate

do the same for 2 and 4 strokes (the thumper will average higher)

to me its alot like an old muscle car, it will never lose its cool

but as tech. increases the new designs will out perform the old
(most cases)

still love the a/c cobra

Hondamaster5505

05-16-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
the 2 strokes are fun (I really miss my old '87 250r)
but the 4 strokes power comes on early and stays longer

(and puts more of it to the ground rather than loosing it in wheel spin)

pick a dyno run and start at any rpm, go every 250 rpms and write down the hp, then devide by the number of hp numbers.............this will give you the average hp rate

do the same for 2 and 4 strokes (the thumper will average higher)

to me its alot like an old muscle car, it will never lose its cool

but as tech. increases the new designs will out perform the old
(most cases)

still love the a/c cobra

I have to disagree.

The way you described the 450's power, that's why I think they're boring. They just pull steadily. And, they have alright topend, killer mid, and crappy low. So basically all mid-range.

Now, on the banshee, it's that sudden hit and powerband that makes it pull ahead of the 450's. I know the banshee spins a lot, but that doesn't explain why it still pulls modded 450's:confused:

Plus, some of the 450's out in ashland are running lot's of bolt-ons, and still cant make it up the hills a lot of times. The banshee's with the same horsepower make it right up.

I'm sorry, but nothing will ever replace the old 2-strokes as far as performance. Until I see ATV's with streetbike type preformance, then ill be happy. Until then, im stickin to the 2-stokes. Most of the time they are faster, and are a bigger thrill.

I want to see a streetbike type 450. 14,000 rpm that doesn't hit till 7,000:blah:

Hondamaster5505

05-16-2008, 06:48 PM

I will admit though, 4-strokes are awesome for wheelies and trails.

Banshee's are a LOT harder to do wheelies on.:grr:

450rJam

05-16-2008, 07:11 PM

I can tell real quick your talking about an 04/05 450r because the 06+ have great low end

if your idea of boring is 30-35 pounds of torque trying to crawl out from under you, then a hard strong continuous pull to
11,000 rpm where it peaks about 50hp
(just from a $300.00 kit that dont even void the warranty)

then the 450r isnt for you

you miss-understood me if you think I was saying a slow steady pull

its not like a farm tractor but more like a pulling tractor on nitro

Hondamaster5505

05-16-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by 450rJam
I can tell real quick your talking about an 04/05 450r because the 06+ have great low end

if your idea of boring is 30-35 pounds of torque trying to crawl out from under you, then a hard strong continuous pull to
11,000 rpm where it peaks about 50hp
(just from a $300.00 kit that dont even void the warranty)

then the 450r isnt for you

you miss-understood me if you think I was saying a slow steady pull

its not like a farm tractor but more like a pulling tractor on nitro

I know what your saying. They just don't give me the thrill of a banshee with a $250 set of pipes.