new $3,000 speeding tickets take effect NOW

[coolguy8769]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/virginians-face-3000-traffic-ticket/20070701103509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001


virginia is getting outta hand. School are sh*t, Traffic is HORRIBLE, Cops like to mess with you, and is there such thing as too much diversity?

anyway, now virginia is the most costly state to speed in. a regualr speeding ticket will cost $700-$1000 and a reckless driving costs up to $3,000. whats your thoughts on this?

i know i will be driving MUCH slower!! i saw cops in groups of 4 pulling people over today like crazy cause it starts today

[07250ex]

well the link doesn't work but thats outragous prices the 16 1/2 year old males must be broke =p

[coolguy8769]

link fixed

[One_Bad_400]

y ai saw that... thats bull crap... haha down here in Mississippi... i got pulled over last week becasue i break checked some guy on my butt then ran off the road and went up the wrong side of the highway ramp and the cop wrote me a $50 ticket! hahahahahaha

[tp300ex]

holy CHIT! they must be bad drivers

[csimp3]

wow, last year i got a 17 over speeding and wreckless driving at the same time, (wheelied past a cop on the highway, whoops!), but i got $565 in tickets and 10 points off my license, on a 12 point system, i went to court and got it down to 4 points and $365, but if i lived in virginia, looks like i would have had to take out a loan or two, also isnt virginia the state that has helicopters and planes monitoring speed? i guess they gotta pay for those things somehow

[gncc025]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
y ai saw that... thats bull crap... haha down here in Mississippi... i got pulled over last week becasue i break checked some guy on my butt then ran off the road and went up the wrong side of the highway ramp and the cop wrote me a $50 ticket! hahahahahaha
yeah u can def get away with some crazy chit down here in ms lol.







but that law sounds way overkill. id almost be scared to drive.:huh

[coolguy8769]

yea i was goin 50 in a 35 on this old back road i know that never gets any traffic and has no houses just farm fields . I saw a cop doin rader and almost chit myself! luckly he got the guy goin the other direction. no more speeding period for me now

[ny300exrider]

pretty crappy.....the ONLY time i can remember anyone in my family getting a ticket was driving to my gparents house in VA.

3am on the interstate trooper gave my dad a ticket for 8 over.

[mephyst]

Originally posted by ny300exrider
pretty crappy.....the ONLY time i can remember anyone in my family getting a ticket was driving to my gparents house in VA.

3am on the interstate trooper gave my dad a ticket for 8 over.

Yeah, thats when it gets to be ridiculous... I know several cops/sheriff's/highway patrol and I asked the highway patrol guys specifically what they expect out of drivers late at night. They all said they expect a normal person to be driving 75-80mph in a 65 here in California. The ones they are typically suspicious of are the people going 65mph in a 65 in the far right lane on the freeway.

[Outlaw 50]

Virginia has always been a police state. I remember driving through there when radar detectors first became popular and they already had signs posted: RADAR DETECTORS ILLEGAL

Thats been over 30 yrs ago.

The state is locked down and the people seem to like it that way.

[Pappy]

Good thing it only applies to residents, because i ROLL down 81:p

[coolguy8769]

rub it in ken..... haha one more year till i'll be at WVU and wont have to worry about all the silly laws out here

yeah i think its pretty obvious it's a good 'ol boys state...because you know that the politicians know that they ain't gonna be paying those tickets if they get pulled over....the state can't manage money so they wack its citizens...they know the words NEW TAX ain't flyin' right now so this is the way they get more money to waste...you can bet this isn't a safety measure to get people to slow down either...:rolleyes:

[250rAL]

Sounds like more people will be runnin from the popo instead of stopping.

[Jake250ex]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a61/quadrider47/00000103985-EscortPassport8500-larg.jpg

[TRFOXX]

I have that Escort it a good one, I would recommed it!

[Jake250ex]

me too! bought it off my sisters BF for $50, its probably saved me $5000 and my liscence :)

[yellowzo3]

maybe its just me, but i think the outrageous fines may make people think again before speeding, possibly causing an accident. if your in that much of a rush, or drinking and driving, you deserve the fines and everything else that goes along with it. if you obey the laws you have nothing to worry about. you know drinking and driving is illegal, and going 20 over the speed limit is just stupid, so i think its a good thing. driving without a license is a $900 immediate penalty? GOOD. with everything going on in the world, people need to take 5 minutes and check to make sure they have it before leaving the house, since its also a form of id incase youd need it. if your stupid enough to drive without a license than you deserve to pay $25,000. it says the fines are for serious traffic offenses, so if your barely speeding or forget to put a blinker on i dont think your going to pay $3000. but if you do stupid things you deserve to pay for it since your putting your life, as well as others in danger.

[cletusEX]

Originally posted by Pappy
Good thing it only applies to residents, because i ROLL down 81:p

I second that! We take 66 and 81 to a lot of races early in the year and haul down the road.:p

[CBRSLIDER]

DANG!!!!!! Pretty harsh. You do 20 over here in PA and your lookn at about $150 bones TOTAL! Heck we have crimes that don't total a grand in total fines and costs. And I'll say that one of my fellow officers just got whacked in VA last week coming back from the Outer Banks. He got hit for 12 over in a 65mph zone at 1:30AM. Kinda harsh. I don't look twice at 12 over. I'd have writers cramp if I hit people for that. But to each his own. I would have a hard time writing someone a pinch for $1300 for speeding. Heck I whacked a kid for 122mph in a 55mph and it barely amounted to $250.00. It's bad when traffic enforcement strays from being about reducing the risks out there on our highways and becomes a revenue generator. But I'm just one of the little guys that has an opinion.

Rant over.

Ray

[Outlaw 50]

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[Outlaw 50]

Originally posted by Jake250ex
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a61/quadrider47/00000103985-EscortPassport8500-larg.jpg

If you get caught with one of these^ in Virginia they will confiscate it and fine the crap out of you.

[coolguy8769]

Originally posted by Outlaw 50
If you get caught with one of these^ in Virginia they will confiscate it and fine the crap out of you.


BINGO!! they have radar detecter detecters.......:ermm:

[DF400ex]

Originally posted by coolguy8769
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/virginians-face-3000-traffic-ticket/20070701103509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001


virginia is getting outta hand. School are sh*t, Traffic is HORRIBLE, Cops like to mess with you, and is there such thing as too much diversity?

anyway, now virginia is the most costly state to speed in. a regualr speeding ticket will cost $700-$1000 and a reckless driving costs up to $3,000. whats your thoughts on this?

i know i will be driving MUCH slower!! i saw cops in groups of 4 pulling people over today like crazy cause it starts today

The reported reason for this is to fund road projects. In my eyes that's what taxes are for. This will probably get challenged and taken to a higher court for it's constitutionality because it is an unjust punishment for the small crime of speeding. IMO this will not last long, or it will stand up in court and more states will adopt it.

I am from NY and I have alot of friends that have been tickated in VA for speeding. Those tickets were high then, now, it's just outrageous. Hey, maybe people will slow down in VA now, lol.

How do those radar detectors work and are they any good?

[ALAMX37]

Thats too funny, I got a $185 wreckless driving ticket here in AL for 120 in a 70 and almost running the cop down on the side of the road.Thats is just retarded.

[Jake250ex]

The radar detector is worth its weight in gold! (Im guessing a few ounces of gold would only be about $100. so maybe not :ermm: )

The model shown is the passport 8500. Like I said, I bought mine used in mint condition with the box and all the papers sealed up for $50. Their like 300-400 new. Theres cheaper models out there but the passport is one of the better ones.

[TCracin440ex]

i hate this new law system....its just to bring revenue into the commonwealth of VA...bottom line....cops have a set quota to meet and if they meet the quota then the state of VA will make over 65 million dollars....id much rather them mofos up my state taxes and take more out on me instead of railing me in the *** for 3mph over the speed limit...they used to allow 5 to 8 mph tollerance....now its 3....believe you me...for the last 2 days ive been running speed limit with the truck on cruise...if i get a ticket its b/c my speed-o is off due to 35 inch tires

i do not believe thes laws will take long to get thrown out because they see it will not work when youve got millions of everyday people loosing their drivers license due to not bein able to pay the state fines...

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by Jake250ex
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a61/quadrider47/00000103985-EscortPassport8500-larg.jpg


and jake250ex...radar dectors are ILLEAGLE here in va....as a matter of a fact i made a trip to MI not too long ago to buy my truck and on the way home i got back to the va state line and there was a sign that says turn radar dectors off if im not mistake....it was on the WV/VA line

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
driving without a license is a $900 immediate penalty? GOOD. with everything going on in the world, people need to take 5 minutes and check to make sure they have it before leaving the house, since its also a form of id incase youd need it. if your stupid enough to drive without a license than you deserve to pay $25,000. it says the fines are for serious traffic offenses, so if your barely speeding or forget to put a blinker on i dont think your going to pay $3000. but if you do stupid things you deserve to pay for it since your putting your life, as well as others in danger.


ok maybe you dont understand what driving without a license means it means your driving/operating a motor vehicle without a valid license...meaning it has been suspended or revoked...or it is restricted and your driving off your leagle time to drive...i do not think the state of va is going to give you a 900 dollar fine due to you accidently left your wallet at the house by accident now...if i thought they was going to do that id pack up and jump ship because thats retarded

[yellowzo3]

i thought thats what it meant but you can also drive without your license on you so i wasnt sure. if you dont have a license at all then you deserve the fine anyway. cmon, follow the rules and youll be fine. i dont see what the big deal is. id be worried about car insurance if i got a ticket for 20 over. these outrageous fines are what helps save lives whether you know it or not. maybe now you guys wont speed as much, which reduces your risk of accident. how is that a bad thing?

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by yellowzo3
i thought thats what it meant but you can also drive without your license on you so i wasnt sure. if you dont have a license at all then you deserve the fine anyway. cmon, follow the rules and youll be fine. i dont see what the big deal is. id be worried about car insurance if i got a ticket for 20 over. these outrageous fines are what helps save lives whether you know it or not. maybe now you guys wont speed as much, which reduces your risk of accident. how is that a bad thing?

the thing is they are not doing it to save lives....they are doing it to rack up money...cops in my area are mostly people who have let their power go to their heads anyways...now they have these new BS laws...they are going to be even worse....3 mph over come on give me a damn break...there are alot more BS rules they have enstated too....i think its a 250 dollar fine just for a speeding ticket now not to mention court fines and fees....and not only that with these yuppies out here pulling over everyone and everything now its going to make insurance rates go up even more due to higher ticket rates...

[One_Bad_400]

Originally posted by Outlaw 50
If you get caught with one of these^ in Virginia they will confiscate it and fine the crap out of you.

haha i get pulled over all the time in my truck and a cop has never said anything... i've even had a cop sitting right next to me and mine was on as loud as it could go and it was going off all the way and the cop was just sitting there looking at me... haha..

[One_Bad_400]

BTW!! dont move down here becasue the south is better! we already got to many mexicans migrating over here and some un welcome "creatures" comming too if you know what i mean ;)

cops and hookers do the same thing, just try and **** you for your money, this system is getting seriously bad

[07250ex]

no i dont whaddaya mean by unwelcome creatures?

[CBRSLIDER]

"cops and hookers do the same thing, just try and **** you for your money, this system is getting seriously bad"

Don't be a hater. We are not all bad. I could careless about your money. I don't set the fine, so complain to the politicians that do.

Ray

Don't be a hater. We are not all bad. I could careless about your money. I don't set the fine, so complain to the politicians that do.



^^ not every single cop is bad, but alot of them are pretty big *******s...are you a cop that sits hiding in the bushes, overhills, around cornors looking for people that do 2 mph over??? Everyday i see that BS and it really gets old.

[CBRSLIDER]

First off 2mph doesn't meet the criteria to stop a vehicle. Maybe it does in your state but not here in pa. See i don't understand why it matters where i sit if you are breaking the law(speed limit). People whine constantly about "I couldn't see you", who cares. Are you breaking the law if so then quit whining. If you read back a little further they you would see that i am not one that stops someone for a few miles over. Heck i can be in the airplane flying over you and radioing the cars on the road that you are speeding.

And why has this turned into a bash the police thread on your part. The police don't set the fines. They are set by the state legislatures and are not negotiable on the officers part.

"^^ not every single cop is bad, but alot of them are pretty big *******s" I don't see it this way. I see some bad apples among us that make it look bad for the majority of us. Plus a group of people that continually break the law that like to spew that the police are the problem instead of taking responsibility for their actions.

Ray

Heck i can be in the airplane flying over you and radioing the cars on the road that you are speeding.

Now that is truly pathedic

I have no problem with cops, when they are respectable cops that do their job correctly and not be a jerk about it. It seems all the cops want to do is just hang out right over a hill with a radar gun looking for 3 mph over. Sitting on their butt all day. And the worst part about it is the person that works 2 real jobs, trying to make ends meet going a couple mph over to try and make it to work on time get stopped by some overweight cop. The cop throws out a crazy fine and now its even harder for those people to make any kind of money. Thats wrong

Not anyone should be able to become a cop IMO. I beleive if you are going to be a cop you should be trained in all different kinds of hand to hand combat, be required to run a few miles in X amount of time, and be physically fit...this 350 pound cop radioing ahead is just BS, IMO


And what about all the cops that break the law everyday, who gives them tickets?? I was doing 55 (the speed limit) and a cop is riding my *** for a while, then he finally decides to pass me, breaking the speed limit and continued to pull away from me, and guess where he went? Yup you guessed it, the gas station. So for kicks i stop in the same gas station to see what was the big hurry and it was nothing but a donuts and coffey. Very sad

[CBRSLIDER]

Once again what does it matter where I am if you are breaking the law? And did you read my post where I stated that 3mph over is not permissable in PA to pull you over? Funny that you mention the cop speeding for donuts. I have been a police officer for 10+ years and have never seen what you are talking about while I was working. Does it happen? Must, there is such a stereotype about it. Just never saw it.

Now about the who cites the police for speeding? Well I already answered that earlier. My coworker(a police officer) was cited for speeding in VA.

"I beleive if you are going to be a cop you should be trained in all different kinds of hand to hand combat, be required to run a few miles in X amount of time, and be physically fit...this 350 pound cop radioing ahead is just BS, IMO" Hmmm I have gone thru two police academies. Municipal and state. State academy was 6 months of living hell. The military guys in my academy class said it was worse than boot camp. Running, fighting, running, pushups, running, fighting, and some more running. So we must be doing something right.

Maybe you need to move to PA. We have a law that doesn't allow you to be stopped for 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit. We can stop you by use of an airplane. And we have a pretty physically fit group of troopers.

Oh and in regards to your pathetic comment. You ever have to tell a parent that their son or daughter was killed by a 21 year old punk speeding. Ya it sucks! Just happened 3 weeks ago.

Ray

well maybe you should come out to the flint/detroit area, our police force is a freakin joke. I have yet to see a physically fit officer around, they are either twigs or as fat as a cow. And day after day i see them just chillin at the dunkin donuts or hiding out in the bushes looking for people speeding. And out here i know plenty of people that have gotton stoped for under 5 mph...i know people that have been stoped for no good reason at all!! Another example is out on the cornors on the east side, about 3 miles from me drug dealing and hookers are out everynight on their cornors, what do the police do about it? NOTHING and its been going on for years. The cops are scard to get their hands dirty with the gangs, so they just look for the people trying to make it to work on time going a little over the speed limit.

[TCracin440ex]

cbrs....i have no disrespect for cops at all...what im screaming is now with these new laws in effect there will be even more dickhead cops pulling people over for no reason....getting a ticket for 3mph over the speed limit...come on give me a break...here they have also put a new law if you under 18 talking on a cell phone and driving you will get a 250 dollar fine...well lets see how can a cop possibly identify a person sitting in a vehicle from bein above or under 18....so there will be some harrassment going on...of the cops pulling people that are over 18 but dont look it...i know a few of my buddys are 18 and they dont look but 15 or 16....so what if the cop pulls them over and they are innocent...who looks dumb?


another new law put in effect here in another local area....that if your under the age of 18 you have to be accompanied by an adult at the mall....if your caught walking arround the mall and your under 18 your getting a ticket....GIVE ME A BREAK!!!...they will be checking ID's at the door at this mall now...imagine how long it will take you to go into the mall now if youve got to stand in a line a mile long for some retarded door cop sitting on a stool to check an ID...wew if u got a hair appt. at 6.30 you better leave at 4.00 to get in...some of the new va laws are retarded...

yeah i heard about the whole mall thing too. Its so stupid. I used to get dropped off at the mall when i was 13 or 14 by my bro or sis and they would come back a few hours later to pick me up. Now a 17 year old cant even walk in to pick up something without a parent? this is getting stupid, it really makes me wonder what the next 20 years will be like. Im sure CBRS approves those new las passed too

[KXRida]

that's insane. My dad's uncle called up and said if we come down to virginia don't speed lol. Even up here in Pennsylvania they are starting to crack down on speeders. I guess they are doing some state wide sweep on speeding. I guess I better slow it down lol. I usually cruise around 85ish all the time. Thankfully I don't live in Va. When I'm above the speed limit I am always looking out as far as I can and slow down coming up on blind hills and natural barriers. I run a 40 mileish stretch of road to college everyday and I normally don't see any state troopers at all. Today I saw 11. I was like holy hell! Needless to say, it took me a little longer to get home today.


a $3000 is just retarded.

really what it comes down to is the government wanting more money from us. Taxes go up every year and will never go down, same with all these crazy laws, they keep on getting worse and worse and the fines keep getting bigger and bigger and eventually the average american worker wont be able to put food on the table. It is already happening around here...bad government, greedy government.

[KXRida]

I can vouche for CBR. I take it he is a Pa trooper? Most of the cops that I've had to talk with are usually pretty nice. I've been pulled over for a few minor things like I forgot to put my headlights on and the cop was pretty nice.

There was the one cop that was on a complete power trip that pulled me over. Yes, I know some things on my truck are illegal. Well he pulled me over for my tires sticking maybe 1/2 past the fenders. So then he's like, Yea I see this truck flying around all the time and I've been waiting to nail you. I was like how's that? I haven't had this truck out in 2 months? He's like quit giving me a story. So then he's like, you don't have mud flaps. So he pulls out his little tool and puts it on my hub. I believe there has to be something to catch debris at a 22 1/2 angle from the hub. Well he put it on and my rear fender catches it by maybe a 1/4 of an inch. Man he was fuming. He's like I'm going to let you off with a warning. Then I kindly asked him, I was like sir. I'm not trying to be smart by any means, but I'm a college kid that really doesn't do anything wrong and just want to drive my truck. I know probably 10 people that do illegal drugs within my classes. I'm just curious to why the police wouldn't put their effort into catching these guys instead of trying to bust a kid that just wants to have a nice truck. He's like, well someone has to keep punk kids like you in line. Get going before I give you a citation. I just don't get people sometimes.

^^^ sounds like a typical flint/detroit cop

A buddy of mine got pulled over and the cop called him a hippy, a niger, trailor trash etc....then he told my friend to get out of the car so he did. Then he took him and shooved him upagenst the car and patted him down. My friend did nothing wrong. The cop had no reason to pull him over in the 1st place...alot of cops are on major power trips


Just the other day i went out to the camp ground for the 4th with some friends. 4 guys in their late teens/ early 20s must seem suspicious i guess? because a cop came up to us, out of everyone in the camp ground and asked us if we were staying there, we said yeah why whats the problem?? And the cop didnt beleive us so we had to show him our camp ground...maybe they need to catch some of the gangbangers out on the cornors and hookers out on the streets instead of hiding at the bottom of the hill with a radar gun, or better yet in a helicopter looking for speeders, right CBR??

[KXRida]

Yea, then he asked to search my truck? I'm like for what? He's like are you hiding something? I'm like no, but you do not have probably cause to search my truck or my person without my consent so you're not searching my truck. I did not have anything to hide, I just wanted to go home. He's like, I should call the K9 unit in. I was like whatever I just want to go home. WTF? I will admit some cops are just on power trips, but some can be pretty cool.


I'm not trying to bash the cops at all because the do have a high risk job and put up with a lot of *****, but when someone wants to search my truck for no apperant reason, I just don't get it. He had no probable cause because he could barely see in the window of my truck haha, so he didn't have anything to give him a "hunch." Two of my neighbors are police and are pretty cool. One is a Pa state trooper that used to have a CBR 900rr and the other has a polaris sportsman 700 so they're pretty cool. I really didn't know the state trooper that well, but when I talked to him he was pretty cool.

yup just like anything, there is good and bad in everything....

The cops do target younger people, and they do target minorities too. They just look for a reason to search your car...

I remmeber i got pulled over before and they wanted to search my car. I thought about going the route you did but i choose not to. So i said sure you can search it.He was being an *** the whole time but i kept my cool. He starts to go through everything and finds nothing but healthy things like neutragrain bars, protein shakes, sports equipment...then after it was all over i said " now dont you think you owe me an apologie" and he said for what? and im like well you just waisted my time and went through all my personal belongings looking for something to throw me in jail for and hes like i dont owe you nothin. And that was that and i went home

They are dicks, i think is pretty sad when the majority of your time is spent looking to catch people not using a turn signal or going 3 mph over, while the rest of us bust our butts trying to make it in the work force

[coolguy8769]

i love how i leave this thread for a few days and it turns into a fight cause of one person.

most of Honda86 chit needs to get deleted. CBRSLIDER is doin his job, if you get mad because his sittin over the hill or behind a bush cause you think he's sittin on his as well then BECOME a cop so you can sit on your ***....

its straight and simple a speed limit is a law! and if you are over that AT ALL you are breaking the law! and if a cop sees you and pulls you over you should get a ticket, cops dont make the laws they just carry them out. i hate it when people bash cosp cause they are just doing their job.

[JOEX]

Originally posted by coolguy8769
i love how i leave this thread for a few days and it turns into a fight cause of one person.

most of Honda86 chit needs to get deleted. CBRSLIDER is doin his job, if you get mad because his sittin over the hill or behind a bush cause you think he's sittin on his as well then BECOME a cop so you can sit on your ***....

its straight and simple a speed limit is a law! and if you are over that AT ALL you are breaking the law! and if a cop sees you and pulls you over you should get a ticket, cops dont make the laws they just carry them out. i hate it when people bash cosp cause they are just doing their job.
I agree with 99+% of what you said:cool: ;)

[SGA]

From the article:
Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.

"These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to drive sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the state records annually.

And then read TCracin440ex's quote:

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
for 3mph over the speed limit...they used to allow 5 to 8 mph tollerance....now its 3....believe you me...for the last 2 days ive been running speed limit with the truck on cruise...if i get a ticket its b/c my speed-o is off due to 35 inch tires


Whats this saying?
Its telling me that its working and i'll feel a whole lot safer on Virginias highways. Maybe it will stop someone from blowing around a curve at 80 and running into me.

[KXRida]

Originally posted by coolguy8769
i love how i leave this thread for a few days and it turns into a fight cause of one person.

most of Honda86 chit needs to get deleted. CBRSLIDER is doin his job, if you get mad because his sittin over the hill or behind a bush cause you think he's sittin on his as well then BECOME a cop so you can sit on your ***....

its straight and simple a speed limit is a law! and if you are over that AT ALL you are breaking the law! and if a cop sees you and pulls you over you should get a ticket, cops dont make the laws they just carry them out. i hate it when people bash cosp cause they are just doing their job.


I agree 100%, but when I see my neighbor in his expedition go hauling balls past me in a 45, he out of all people should know the law. The funny thing was, I saw him probably 2 miles later get pulled over and ofcourse, he's a cop so nothing ever happens. I will say he has gotten some major fines reduced for me (another reason why I don't speed as much), so I will not bag on the guy because he's pretty cool. It ended up I was doing 75ish in a 40 an got pulled over. $478 fine and 3 points. He got it reduced to a $98 and no points. Disobeying traffic signs.

You are right, cops just enforce the laws, but they don't always have to be goofs about it. I know they put up with a lot of crap all day, but asking to search my truck with no probable cause? Come on get a life. Then saying he's seen my truck out all the time and he's been waiting to catch me? That's profiling. And what makes this even more funny is, my truck wasn't on the road for a while because I was swapping gears and a bunch of other stuff.

no it dont need to be deleted. As time goes on the fines will get worse and worse. The cops are just stealing money out of our pockets. With the economy going into the toilet as it is and the cops getting stricter and stricter it is going to make everyone poorer and poorer, that means not having the extra cash to go do the stuff you want, that means more business's will be closing up. I am already seeing this happen in my area, wth al time highs of unemployment rate, all time high is seatbelt tickets, taxes are at an all time high and so is homelessness, oh and did i mention all time high in forclosed homes? how about our local mall has 1 small pizza joint left in the food court? how about drugs at an all time high? murders too!! but yet the cops are looking for me going 3 mph over the speed limit. I am so glad their NOT protected us from the killers on the streets. This will continue to spread all across america, just come to flint, i dear you CBRslider, and bust some of the gangs that hang out on almost every cornor...I DARE YOU!

[Ralph]

Originally posted by CBRSLIDER
DANG!!!!!! Pretty harsh. You do 20 over here in PA and your lookn at about $150 bones TOTAL! Heck we have crimes that don't total a grand in total fines and costs. And I'll say that one of my fellow officers just got whacked in VA last week coming back from the Outer Banks. He got hit for 12 over in a 65mph zone at 1:30AM. Kinda harsh. I don't look twice at 12 over. I'd have writers cramp if I hit people for that. But to each his own. I would have a hard time writing someone a pinch for $1300 for speeding. Heck I whacked a kid for 122mph in a 55mph and it barely amounted to $250.00. It's bad when traffic enforcement strays from being about reducing the risks out there on our highways and becomes a revenue generator. But I'm just one of the little guys that has an opinion.

Rant over.

Ray

pennsylvaniais great, i take 80 back and fourth from school and i dont think ive ever seen a single cop.

Even in town i think i saw about 5 on the road tops last year besides the ones trying to bust partys and drinking.

NJ, now thats a different story. Usualy right when i get back into town i will a cop on my *** .

Still, i have never gotten a speeding ticket. lol. I got pulled over on the way over to unadilla last year and he got me at like 70 in a 45. (Old Country road, didnt wanna miss the pro moto). He let me go:D

[Ralph]

Originally posted by JOEX
I agree with 99+% of what you said:cool: ;)

I mostly agree as well.

However, I did happen to enjoy a local cop asking my friend, for the third time, if he was sure he did not have any hand grenades in the car.[True Story]

There is always going to be someone who abuses their power. It happens everywhere. Politics, Cops and just about anywhere else.

[Rastus]

All it would take to get this law changed, would be for everyone that gets one of these new higher tickets to challenge the ticket. The courts would be so jammed up that not a lot would get done.
The new legislation is purely revenue related, unfortunately the police have to be the people to enforce the bad legislation.


And I thought Ohio had bad state troopers. :ermm:


There's good cops and bad cops, but some forget that they're all citizens first. Just because they have a badge doesn't mean they can order me around like a second rate. If they show me some respect, then I am always nice and show them the proper respect also.

[CBRSLIDER]

WOW!!! I'm away for almost a day and this really turned south. Heck Honda86 and TCracin440ex, I'm bout ready to dispatch the WHHHHAAAAAAAMBULANCE for you two. I've never heard such whining in my life. This started out as a decent conversation and some disagreement on how police officers do their job. Now it has spiraled out of control into rants on police. There is nolonger any mature debate here. I tried to give my perspective on the topic because there really aren't that many police officers on here to get a perspective from.

There are people that do wrong things at work everywhere in every profession. The police are no different and I won't argue that with you. BUT to generalize is wrong and completely inaccurate. How does every 21 year old is a punk sound?? Generalization on my part and not accurate. Are there 21 yr old punks? yes but there are some of the most responsible people I have ever met that are in their early 20's. So WHY generalize about police? If your police in Flint are the gestopo then do something about it. Don't whine about it here on an atv forum where we can't do anything about it.

I apologize to coolguy8769 for us hijacking his thread. The increase in fines is going to be tough and I, myself, would have a real hard time handing out a $1300 speeding ticket for 20+ over. But on the other hand, the lives that it will save are worth ALOT more that $1300.00, especially if its your mom, dad, broter, sister, or friend. Unfortunately the police officer has nothing to do with the setting of these fines and the passage of legislation mandating such a high fine. I believe there has to be a happy medium between attempting to slow people down and the generation of revenue for the state.

Currently PA has a blank spot on our citations that is there for the possible passage of legislation to add an additional penalty for 20 over the posted speed limit. I don't agree with it. Unfortunately I, myself, can't do anything about it.

Well hope this doesn't get locked and we can continue to discuss this topic. I enjoy debate and we can have a mature disagreement. Heck I like hearing other perspectives, especially from our younger adults.

Thanks for everyone's time.

Ray

CBRslider i would personaly dare you to go into the hoods and try and arrest those gang members out on every street cornor past dark. I have never had someone die from a speeder, but i do know people that have been shot from those gangs out here

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Honda86
CBRslider i would personaly dare you to go into the hoods and try and arrest those gang members out on every street cornor past dark. I have never had someone die from a speeder, but i do know people that have been shot from those gangs out here

I would delve into this issue with you but I am afraid you would drag me down to your level and beat me with stupidity.

couple of things...

it would be one thing if the reason for the outrageous tickets in va were outrageous to make people slow down, but they aren't. they are to make money...so va doesn't really care if it saves about a"1000 lives"...they only care about the 60 million dollars they are gonna make. that's what makes what they are doing B.S.!!

i don't think cops should get the "well they do a dangerous job" excuse for being pricks. they chose to do that job. so do it the way it's supposed to be done. with compassion, humility, and self respect. check the "bad day" at the door when you get to the station. having an ego will only perpetuate the "us vs. them" attitude the general public has about the police...

not all cops are bad. in fact as i get older i find that they are usually pretty good guys....people i would love to sit and have a beer and trade stories with. but i find myself wandering if i feel this way because they no longer feel a need to "teach me a lesson" or they just have become a better crowd of people. it may even be that i was alittle bit of a punk when i was a kid...who knows.

and lastly i don't even see how they can give a 3 over ticket and make stick with variations in speedometers?

JMO'S

[07250ex]

First off i'm excellent friends with a sergeant in my town and i know most of the other cops and none of them eat doughnuts or drink coffee more then any other normal person also most cops can hold their own just cuz their not all ripped like swat team guys im sure they could still whip u into shape especially with a nightstick or the big heavy flash light they carry

[Pappy]

here is another article on the issue:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3335562&page=1&CMP=google_gmabn_&partner=google&gclid=CK2lmofyk40CFQxzHgodxkKTkQ

i particulary liked the part near the end about it being a "regressive tax" and the fact that the lower income drivers will be treated like the higher income drivers who face the same penalties.(maybe they should drive slower and get better fuel milages as well seeing they are poor...and the rich doctor they refer to wont have an issue hiring a lawyer)

and again, the maximum fines hit those running 20+ mph over the speed limit and classify them as reckless. drunk drivers as well will get hammered as well they should!

will it help? i doubt it but atleast its based on those breaking the law and not spread evenly over all virginia residents when looked upon as a revenue based tax (just as all driving fines are and have been since they were first started)

if i were a virginia resident, id be looking into why the state roads funding is bankrupt in the first place.

[CBRSLIDER]

"I would delve into this issue with you but I am afraid you would drag me down to your level and beat me with stupidity."

Probably one of the best, if not the best response I have ever read on this site.

I'll respond, unfortunately, I guess cuz I don't have anyting else goin on right now. See I would deal with a gang member any day of the week over dealing with a pissed off farmer or rural resident that has a gun, that he has shot since he was 5 and can knock a squirrel out of a tree from 75 yrds with half a buzz on and open sights at 90 yrs old. See I don't deal with too many gang members here where I am but have dealt with my fair share of locals that know guns inside and out and can shoot like a sniper. But the gang members that I have dealt with here are absolutely scared to death dealing with local and state police here. Guess we deal with them differently than the city pds do. I would take on a gang member before I would take on someone like Pappy(sorry pappy) because I know that he can probably shoot me from 300yrds away with little effort and with something that would blow a baseball size hole thru my vest and body.

So there ya go that's my answer. Not taking away from what the city officers have to deal with but tryin to say one place is more dangerous than another is like comparing apples to oranges.

Ray

[Pappy]

ray, for the record, if i can see you and have my dope chart(have to account for wind drift) i can hit you...lol

[CBRSLIDER]

Pappy thats why I used you as an example. I find many of our locals that have been hammering woodchucks for years to be very dangerous when it comes to their favorite rifle. Had a guy sittin on his roof waiting for me with his favorite varmint rife, 22-250. His drive way was a straight railroad grade completely cleared of any trees or bushes for 150yrds from the main road to his house. Kinda makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck crossing that 150yrds.

Ray

[07250ex]

lol i know what ya mean gang members dont know how to use a gun they can fire it and change the ammo thats about it most of em got like lil uzi's or ak's thats why u get hit =p

i just think its about time they clean up the streets in my area rather then worring about "making more money" for the state government. Like i said if you all saw how bad the killing and drugs are out here maybe you guys like pappy and CBR would understand. And i would call out BS on the whole rather dealing with a gang member vs pappy. But hey i want to see CBRslider and his buddies take on all those 10-15 gang member on each cornor, because our police department sure dont do anything about it. Its just all about making the dollar for the government, stealing for the hard workers

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by CBRSLIDER
WOW!!! I'm away for almost a day and this really turned south. Heck Honda86 and TCracin440ex, I'm bout ready to dispatch the WHHHHAAAAAAAMBULANCE for you two. Thanks for everyone's time.



im not crying about nothing...if your breaking the law your breaking the law...im just sayin that its complete bull crap that a cop would hold you for 3mph over....and these laws were NOT set in effect to save lives...it was to bring revenue into va...everyone stated this....


but im going to give a fine example....i do grading for a living...i operate heavy equipment, i built roads and stuff for sub divisions....now if we have a fill we are allotted a few tenths off...nothing is perfect...

i know not everyones speed-o is 100% acurate...so im going to get a ticket for the speeding...then i have to have the speed o calibrated (and in some cases fixed)...then have to take a day off work to go infront of the judge loosing money in 2 ways...and i still have to pay a state mandated fine just for even walking in the court...guilty or not??

thats like somebody bein charged with a crime....going to trial and bein aqquited and they say well you still owe us 250 dollars just because we can do that ****!!

[CBRSLIDER]

Ok I have a suggestion for both of the guys here that have such a problem with their local law enforcement and the laws. Start getting the other disgruntled people in your area together and start calling, writing, emailing, etc your elected officials. Tell them about how you feel about the current state of affairs with these laws and the lack of work done by your police departments. Then if nothing is done by them VOTE them out. Hmmm our system at work. Who'd a thunk it.

Ray

you think the government give a damn about any of our lives?? its all about making the money. You notice how many people are getting pull over for something stupid as a seatbelt ticket?? Now 3 mph over?? come on, when will this "cracking down" stop?? And when are they going to crack down on drugs and guns in the streets?? how about all the hookers 2 roads down from me? what about innocent people getting shot in a drive by out here? All the cops say is "sorry for your lose, we cant be everywhere" witch i DO understand, but they shoudl be atleast targeting the worse areas of town, not hiding around a cornor with a radar gun, thats pathedic.

What are cops for?? TO PROTECT US (or so they say) but yet they wont and try and bust the people that have alot of potential to harm us?? HMMM funny isnt it?? And i am not crying about anything, im just stating how it is out here. CBRslider i wish, and i really do mean this. I wish you would come out to the northend or eastside of flint and make it through 1 night and arrest everyone you saw breaking the law and clean up the streets. Get out of your lil nice area in PA and come down here, the areas that NEED help and safty, stop doing a fund raiser for the government

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Honda86
i just think its about time they clean up the streets in my area rather then worring about "making more money" for the state government. Like i said if you all saw how bad the killing and drugs are out here maybe you guys like pappy and CBR would understand. And i would call out BS on the whole rather dealing with a gang member vs pappy. But hey i want to see CBRslider and his buddies take on all those 10-15 gang member on each cornor, because our police department sure dont do anything about it. Its just all about making the dollar for the government, stealing for the hard workers


Plain and simple - your an idiot.

WTF does this have to do with Virginia increasing their speeding fines???

You have issues - deal with them somewhere else - YOU live in MI, Ray and Pappy do NOT. If you continue to take this thread down the tubes, you will be removed.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by CBRSLIDER
Ok I have a suggestion for both of the guys here that have such a problem with their local law enforcement and the laws. Start getting the other disgruntled people in your area together and start calling, writing, emailing, etc your elected officials. Tell them about how you feel about the current state of affairs with these laws and the lack of work done by your police departments. Then if nothing is done by them VOTE them out. Hmmm our system at work. Who'd a thunk it.

Ray


Exactly!

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Honda86


...come on, when will this "cracking down" stop?? And when are they going to crack down on drugs and guns in the streets?? how about all the hookers 2 roads down from me? what about innocent people getting shot in a drive by out here? All the cops say is "sorry for your lose, we cant be everywhere" witch i DO understand, but they shoudl be atleast targeting the worse areas of town, not hiding around a cornor with a radar gun, thats pathedic.

What are cops for?? TO PROTECT US (or so they say) but yet they wont and try and bust the people that have alot of potential to harm us?? HMMM funny isnt it?? And i am not crying about anything, im just stating how it is out here. CBRslider i wish, and i really do mean this. I wish you would come out to the northend or eastside of flint and make it through 1 night and arrest everyone you saw breaking the law and clean up the streets. Get out of your lil nice area in PA and come down here, the areas that NEED help and safty, stop doing a fund raiser for the government

Funny - are you the same person who made the remarks below?

I'll be damned, I think you are!




life goes on and thats the point im trying to make, were all animals, were all going to die, some go peacfully some get their heads chopped off...
So, the people you complain about, and the victims, they are animals - true? They are all going to die sometime, the way in which they parish from this earth is pointless. They could die of natural causes or be killed by another animal (human).


if you think you can stop what other people are doing in other country then i guess you have the typical big nose american attitude..
What makes you think anyone can change what is going on in YOUR home town with violence? I'm sure those gangsta's really do believe in their actions and what they do - no different than other countrys that kill their own citizens. You sure sound like some big nosed American, huh?


and as bad as this sounds, we NEED people to die..the earth is so over populated (especially with humans)
Sure sounds like those thugs are doing a great job of what you believe in, right? See your quote above - we are animals, some go nice others don't.


life will always go on no matter what we do here on earth, thats what i mean by it dont matter what we do...
Using your logic, the police in your area are doing a FINE job... it doesnt matter what anyone does... we are all doomed! No one can change.


Anyone hear about 2pac shooting those 2 cops right in the ***?? :D You sure seem to enjoy this type "gangsta" violence.



Now, why do you want Ray, Pappy or your local PO to clean up your area? Sounds like its your perfect world based on your moral views. Now your the victim (animal) and YOU want help/protection from other animals... LMAO!

The topic has changed and we are looking at a bigger picture now.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Honda86
The topic has changed and we are looking at a bigger picture now.

No it has not. YOU have changed the topic.

mofo now you have tooken this thread further off course then i ever did, i would respond all my quotes to other thready but it might get me "banned" so ill PM you....and another thing, if you look back on the thread i was NOT the 1st person to compare VAs new laws to their hometown.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Honda86
mofo now you have tooken this thread further off course then i ever did, i would respond all my quotes to other thready but it might get me "banned" so ill PM you....and another thing, if you look back on the thread i was NOT the 1st person to compare VAs new laws to their hometown.


Please dont waste your time with the PM. There is nothing you could put together that would be worth reading. I would honestly delete it without reading.

You were the first person to take this off topic with your post that clearly violated the terms and conditions of this board.

cops and hookers do the same thing, just try and **** you for your money, this system is getting seriously bad

BTW, I have not "tooken" this thread further off course, I just called you out just as you have called out other members of the site - showing YOUR true colors.

This thread has run its course and then some...

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Honda86
[B]Like i said if you all saw how bad the killing and drugs are out here maybe you guys like pappy and CBR would understand. And i would call out BS on the whole rather dealing with a gang member vs pappy. But hey i want to see CBRslider and his buddies take on all those 10-15 gang member on each cornor,B]

I work in the 2 most deadly cities in this country as far as homocide. I do not fear any gang or its members including the MS13 gang that loves to tag its territory non stop within blocks of where I spend most of my day. I left my house at 1:30 am and arrived at 3am this morning. Semi wasnt there on time so I sacked out on a stack of pallets and took a nap in the parking lot in gang central. You will find no fear in me, I refuse to be bullied by trash, and if they want a fight then they will get more then they ever want. If you chose to live in fear then do something about it besides blame everyone, including the cops that are doing the best they can with what they have. Liberals have taken away the means for a vast majority to protect themselves and stripped them of their rights to do so without fear of litigation for doing what is natural.

As far as me being more difficult then a gang member, I will place a bullet in your head before you have the slightest inkling I am even in the same county. And I will tell you as I have police officers, if you want me for something that I feel is worth fighting for, you are advised not to be the first through my door. I do not look for trouble and do nothing to cause myself to be in that type of situation, however I am prepared for it nonetheless.

Maybe its you that needs to understand that not everyone lives in fear and quite a few of us refuse to be a victim. Preperation for a good defense only makes sense, more so then babbling about things you wont do anything to change. If it were up to me, I would arm every gang member, clear the streets and let them have at each other. By the end of the week we could kill those left over....problem solved.

[wilkin250r]

I think it's funny that moderators can continue the arguement. We abuse our power, neener neener...


Honda86 actually said "The cop throws out a crazy fine " and then a few posts later he says The cops are just stealing money out of our pockets" Yeah, it's just a bunch of greedy cops, out to get your hard-earned dollar.

A couple people touched on it here and there, but nobody really said it in plain and simple English.

News flash. The cops aren't the ones making the laws. They just enforce them. The cops aren't the ones that set the fines, they don't raise the penalties. For some types of violations, they don't even have a CHOICE, they HAVE to write you a ticket, they can't give you a warning. It's called a No-Tolerance Statute, and it's put in place by the general public.